". . .dunces are all in confederacy against him." [double gaaakkk!!!]
25076. PelleNilsson - 7/18/2001 3:16:02 PM
jexster
Isn't it Moron II of Texas?
25077. Dusty - 7/18/2001 3:49:58 PM
jexster
hello!!!
Is the brain working?
What part of "YOU ARE MAKING the distinction" don't you understand?
I'm cool with no distinction. It's stupid, but if you want that position go for it. So you are refuting your own point.
25078. Dusty - 7/18/2001 4:54:02 PM
Makes me almost pine for Jadegold - he/she was the master at undermining his/her own claims.
25079. JudithAtHome - 7/18/2001 6:06:11 PM
We just received our notice that we will be receiving our refund from GW&Co. in the first week of September. I'm sure they'll be upset that we are going to put it in savings rather than run out and blow it all on a spending spree.
25080. arkymalarky - 7/18/2001 6:07:49 PM
Hey! I've already spent mine and I haven't even gotten a letter yet, the rat.
25081. jexster - 7/18/2001 9:03:01 PM
Dusty...
Stick with me and you will never go wrong. :)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Security was a major concern for the White House Wednesday as President Bush opened his second trip to Europe in little more than a month.
Bush stopped first in London for talks with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a key figure as the president tries to sell his controversial missile defense plan to the European allies and Russia.
The security concerns, however, were focused on the second stop, in Genoa, Italy, for the annual Group of Seven/Group of Eight summit, where as many as 100,000 demonstrators were expected and where security precautions were unprecedented because of recent episodes of sometimes violent protests at major international gatherings.
There is one thing I still am unclear on. Maybe you can help.
Is the King of Sweden sending his Royal 21 Moon Salute Honor Guard to welcome King Moron I of Texus?
25082. bubbaette - 7/18/2001 9:03:20 PM
We got the letter today. Mike asked me what I thought of GWB now and I responded that I still think he's a punk. I'll take the cash, but that doesn't mean he's bought my vote. Besides, as the Repubs are fond of repeating ad nauseum -- it's not GWB's money -- it's mine in the first place. I ought to give it to a democratic candidate.
25083. jexster - 7/18/2001 9:03:24 PM
Damn EuroTrash!
25084. jexster - 7/18/2001 9:08:39 PM
In the Never Ending Remedial Education of Dusty - A Lesson in Distinctions Sans Difference...
A disturbing account of the Bush campaign's actions during the recount was published in Sunday's New York Times. Its six-month investigation revealed the extent to which Republican operatives used the Florida secretary of state's office for partisan strategizing. In addition, Republican staffers from the House Armed Service Committee used their congressional clout to obtain the personal e-mails of military personnel overseas during the recount controversy -- and then coordinated with party strategists to bring soldiers and sailors into the public relations battle. It was, if not illegal, a serious ethical breach.
Finally, election boards in Bush strongholds -- but not in Gore counties -- employed unusually lenient standards to validate votes that arrived after November 17 or that were missing foreign postmarks, witness signatures or addresses. In fact, reported the Times, "Bush counties were four times as likely as Gore counties to count ballots lacking witness signatures and addresses."
Add to these irregularities the reckless voter-roll purging and other practices that disenfranchised undetermined numbers of African Americans and you have a stinging indictment of the electoral process.
That editorial comment from today's SF Chronicle says it all. Whether the stinging indictment is or is not a judical matter is a distinction utterly without difference.
25085. OhioSTOPAS - 7/18/2001 10:29:05 PM
. . . but thank goodness the Supreme Court stepped in to preserve equal treatment of all Florida voters.
25086. concerned - 7/18/2001 10:51:23 PM
The USSC was doing nothing more than putting the brakes on an out of control SCOFLA, after warning those juridical parasites not to ignore Federal and State law. Funny how you Lefties parade your selective blindness here.
25087. jexster - 7/18/2001 11:01:49 PM
The USSC was doing nothing more than putting the brakes on an out of control SCOFLA, after warning those juridical parasites not to ignore Federal and State law. Funny how you Lefties parade your selective blindness here.
If you've said that once you've said that 1000 times...
I'll let my co-counsel Ohio make mincemeat of your cute but sorry ass.
25088. jexster - 7/18/2001 11:13:20 PM
While the Moron is away the House doth play!
Faith Initiative Hits Snag in House
GOP Moderates' Bias Concerns Postpone Vote
Now who gave the so-called GOP "moderates" a gonad transplant?
U concerned? How kind of you to donate yours to such a worthy cause!
25089. jonesatlaw - 7/19/2001 1:07:07 AM
I can't wait until the first faith based program gets grant proposals from the likes of Rev. Farakhan, Rev. Moon, The Church of Jesus Christ, Christian, and and whatever NeoNazi from the midwest who's taken to calling himself "Pontifex Maximus" or the like.
They'll be struggling for rationales to exlude them, because Joe and Josephine Voter are not going to be happy that these folk will be nuzzling the public trough.
25090. jonesatlaw - 7/19/2001 1:11:36 AM
Meanwhile back at the ranch, our state AG just got his butt spanked for a granstanding attempt to intervene in an ACLU sponsored suit trying to force the removal of a momument bearing the ten commandments from a public park. The basis for Attorney General Stenberg's motion for intervention? Moses is among the figures depicted on a series of bas reliefs on the state capitol building, and a decision removing the park monument could threaten the capitol building.
Just goes to show you, it may be great politics to pander to the Christian Right, but it doesn't always fly in court.
25091. jonesatlaw - 7/19/2001 1:13:05 AM
above should read "Ten Commandments"
25092. jexster - 7/19/2001 5:19:42 AM
Bush Overseas Ballot Scam Series-SkipperTM: There's a Scandal in Here Somewhere!
Series-Skipper™ is a service from kausfiles that lets readers avoid long, worthy newspaper series. (For more on the rationale for Series-Skipper™, click here.) Last Sunday's New York Times investigative report on Florida overseas ballots wasn't a series, but at 397 inches in length (counting graphics), with three sidebars and input from 24 reporters, it could have been! In response to overwhelming demand from civic-minded consumers who do not want to actually read this important story, kausfiles has extended the reach of its proprietary Series-Skipper™ technology.
25093. jexster - 7/19/2001 5:26:38 AM
Dusty...time for the Razor Strap!
Occam's Razor that is...
"Under intense pressure from the Republicans, Florida officials accepted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ... The flawed votes included ballots without postmarks, ballots postmarked after the election, ballots without witness signatures, ballots mailed from towns and cities within the United States and even ballots from voters who voted twice."
25094. jexster - 7/19/2001 5:33:26 AM
The investigative arm of Congress yesterday demanded that Vice President Cheney release information on the development of the administration's energy policy, an action that could lead to a rare court showdown between the executive and legislative branches.
Good Week for Neither Moron Nor Klown
25095. jexster - 7/19/2001 5:38:58 AM
Free To Laugh...Free To Laugh, Even Mary Carville is Free to Laugh
"The Democrats have continued on their course of the politics of personal destruction," said Mary Matalin, a top aide to Cheney and Bush. "They ought to stop wasting taxpayer money on phony investigations and start working on the energy policy we sent to the Hill."
25096. jexster - 7/19/2001 5:42:22 AM
Dusty...
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate
"plurality should not be posited without necessity."
25097. joezan - 7/19/2001 5:45:07 AM
jones:
They'll be struggling for rationales to exlude them, because Joe and Josephine Voter are not going to be happy that these folk will be nuzzling the public trough.
Maybe Joe and Josephine will be heartened to know that the Nation of Islam has been nuzzling at the public trough for some years now - to the tune of millions of $ - for providing "security" at housing projects in Chicago.
25098. Dusty - 7/19/2001 8:46:50 AM
jexster
If anyone was paying attention to you (which I doubt) they must be rolling in the aisle. You've posted again and again with information proving that you blundered. At first, I thought it was cognitive dissonance, but now I'm wondering if you are simply clueless.
Here's a hint:
Is the distinction between vote fraud and voter fraud material, or a distinction without a difference?
25099. Adrianne - 7/19/2001 8:59:24 AM
CalGal
(gasping with laughter)
OK, so DCMPD DOES have some pretty stupid folks working for them. Check THIS out.
Whew.
25100. Adrianne - 7/19/2001 9:00:47 AM
Crap, that link isn't working. The url is
http://www.mpdc.org/News/2001/0107/010713.htm
25101. bubbaette - 7/19/2001 9:09:54 AM
Who does that gal's hair? I want to make sure I avoid them.
25102. Cellar Door - 7/19/2001 9:12:03 AM
25103. Adrianne - 7/19/2001 9:21:10 AM
Lawsy, lawsy, Bubba. I screamed:
My EYES! My EEEEEYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSS!
25104. bubbaette - 7/19/2001 9:23:14 AM
I feel certain that Condit committed those criminal haircuts. He should be jailed immediately -- the hell with due process.
25105. Dusty - 7/19/2001 9:25:01 AM
Very funny. Especially the necessary caveat at the end.
25106. jexster - 7/19/2001 2:22:22 PM
There are now approximately 800 sites whose mission is to analyze, attack and especially ridicule the King Moron I of Texus.
An Embarrassment of Riches
25107. Cygnus X-1 - 7/20/2001 9:19:51 AM
jexster, I think Jonathan Swift said it best:
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that all the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
25108. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/20/2001 10:18:27 AM
". . .a true genius" [gaaak!!!]
". . .dunces are all in confederacy against him." [double gaaakkk!!!]
25109. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/20/2001 10:19:38 AM
Oh wait, I see -- cygnus was talking about Clinton!
25110. jexster - 7/20/2001 10:45:57 AM
The Bush administration has placed the nation on a "collision course" with Russia and NATO allies by designing a missile defense plan to violate the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in a matter of months, former national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger said yesterday.
Berger, who was President Clinton's top foreign policy aide from 1997 to 2000, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Bush administration's aggressive timetable for testing and emergency deployment of missile defenses makes negotiating a compromise with the Russians "virtually impossible."
"Indeed, it may be creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, leading almost inevitably to breach or unilateral abrogation which, at the very least, is premature," Berger said. "How can we expect to negotiate modifications of the ABM Treaty or a change in decades of strategic policy with the Russians in a matter of months?"
Congressional Democrats have advanced similar arguments. But Berger's position also drew unanticipated support from Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), the committee's ranking Republican, who urged the administration to seek amendments to the treaty before any decision is made to abrogate or withdraw from
Post
25111. jexster - 7/20/2001 10:49:23 AM
Call them the Star Wars Lobby, but understand that their ties to key congressmen and officials in the executive branch make them much more than a lobbying group.
Weschester County Weekly
25112. bubbaette - 7/20/2001 10:49:33 AM
That last photo of the S.C. is excellent, Wiz.
25113. janjon - 7/20/2001 10:52:09 AM
That's not the S.C., bubba. It is the idiots who currently run the House of Representatives. Hard to decide which one is the worst.
25114. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 11:15:04 AM
Stranger than fiction:
The author of a book about George W. Bush has killed himself, police said.
James Howard Hatfield, 43, wrote Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the making of an American President in 1999.
The unauthorized biography accused Bush of covering up a cocaine arrest. But during interviews about the book, Hatfield lied to reporters about his own criminal past.
A hotel housekeeper discovered the man's body about noon Wednesday, Springdale police Detective Al Barrios said Thursday. Barrios said the man apparently overdosed on two kinds of prescription drugs.
Police don't suspect foul play.
....from AP Wire Service
25115. Wombat - 7/20/2001 11:19:27 AM
If Democrats thought like Republican, Mellon- Scaife operatives, we would tie Hatfield's death to sinister forces in the Bush White House.
25116. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 11:22:24 AM
Yes, the vast conspiracy to get rid of people who write books Bush can't read or something.
25117. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/20/2001 11:24:30 AM
Thanks Bubb!
J@H- How sad.
25118. Cygnus X-1 - 7/20/2001 11:24:52 AM
No, WizardOfWimpy, I must have been talking about you. After all, it takes a true genius to amuse himself by posting these pictures you make over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Ordinary folks like me would have thought it was a stupid waste of time long ago, but not a genius like you!
25119. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:27:47 AM
. Ordinary folks like me
You said it. No me.
25120. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:28:12 AM
Very ordinary
25121. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 11:29:54 AM
you make over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Hmmmmmm......sounds like some of the conservative points people make here. Like, Clowntoon is a rapist; liberals are schmucks; Bush won.
25122. Wombat - 7/20/2001 11:31:21 AM
Cygnus:
Coming from someone who used to provide erroneous link descriptions to spoof sites, you are in no position to criticize.
25123. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:31:55 AM
Bush to Daschle: I'm No Isolationist, I'm a Moron
25124. Cygnus X-1 - 7/20/2001 11:34:27 AM
You can't make up stuff funnier than this:
The USCCR's (U.S. Commission on Civil Rights) report claimed voters "were delayed at the polls or denied their opportunity to vote," highlighting the case of Ms. Margarita Green, who complained she was not allowed to vote because she was told she was not registered. Mr. Leahy [Miami-Dade elections supervisor David Leahy, Democrat] has produced a form signed by Ms. Green in 1998 declaring, "I no longer live in Dade County." Green never re-registered upon her return to Dade County.
Another case highlighted by the USCCR's report was that of Felix Boyle, who complained he was not informed that his polling place had changed. "I couldn't find where I was supposed to vote," claimed Boyle. But, according to Mr. Leahy, "Felix Boyle stated that the polling place for Precinct #36 was in a different building than was used in the 2000 primary election. The same building was used for both elections."
25125. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:36:01 AM
Wiz....maybe you should go easy. Perhaps Cyg resents your mocking Slim Pickens' performance.
25126. Cygnus X-1 - 7/20/2001 11:36:57 AM
Gee Wombat, your sense of proportion seems to be non-existent; or, is it that double-standard you liberals apply? Please compare how many times I used a disguised link with how many times Wimpy has posted stupid pictures. Then, compare the obtrusiveness of each practice.
25127. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:38:24 AM
25128. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/20/2001 11:50:09 AM
Jex-[ LOL! ]Thanks for the NR link.
Did you find the Presidunce image a bit dark on the Tshirt you ordered? It was on mine and the SupremeClowns mug came with a "Made In China" label.
Ya just can't win with these capitalists and commies!
25129. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 11:56:08 AM
, compare the obtrusiveness of each practice.
But many of us actually like Wizs "obtrusiveness"....
25130. Cygnus X-1 - 7/20/2001 11:59:44 AM
Judith, that's right. I forgot. According to Swift, all the dunces will be in confederacy against a genius.
25131. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 12:03:17 PM
It depends on what your definition of "genius" is....mine is: Wiz.
25132. janjon - 7/20/2001 12:28:43 PM
The Wiz is the greatest.
End of story.
25133. jexster - 7/20/2001 12:35:47 PM
Wiz Rulz...
Cyg Drulz...
And Bush is a Moron
AYLESBURY, England, July 19 -- President Bush declared today that he is "plenty capable" of handling U.S. foreign policy after Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle questioned the president's competence as he headed for his first economic summit.
Free to Laugh, Free to Laugh....
25134. jexster - 7/20/2001 12:37:11 PM
Wiz -, Due to mail theft(!) I have had my Presidunce T delivered to a friend's apt. Friend on vacation back next week.
Can hardly wait!
25135. Wombat - 7/20/2001 1:01:21 PM
Well, Cygnet, since I don't do what WoW and yourself do, and I tend to take legitimate- seeming links seriously enough to use them, perhaps I attach more importance to the deliberate use of erroneous links than I do to WoW's graphic fantasies. If they annoy you, ignore them.
25136. OhioSTOPAS - 7/20/2001 1:04:47 PM
President Bush says he's "plenty capable"? Hahaha!
That reminds me of Bush's statement during the campaign that he was "plenty smart". However, anyone who says "I'm plenty smart" likely isn't.
Based on the evidence, I'd say the same is true for "I'm plenty capable."
25137. labwabbit - 7/20/2001 1:08:52 PM
I'm plenty sure about that as well O.
25138. OhioSTOPAS - 7/20/2001 1:11:48 PM
"How tough are you guys?"
"Depends on how much you pay. You pay a little, we a little tough. You pay a lot, we a lot tough. You pay too much, we too much tough."
"Well, I pay plenty."
"Then we plenty tough."
25139. OhioSTOPAS - 7/20/2001 1:13:12 PM
Apparently Chico Marx is writing George W. Bush's speeches, which would explain a lot.
25140. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 1:15:30 PM
Having him speak such eloquence while on foreign soil is cringe-worthy, at best.
25141. Cellar Door - 7/20/2001 1:24:50 PM
If Chico is writing the speeches, why isn't Rufus T. Firefly the President?
25142. labwabbit - 7/20/2001 1:37:00 PM
It does appear that little-boy Bush, is getting plenty roughed-up on the playground.
25143. janjon - 7/20/2001 1:45:29 PM
He seems to be limited to being able to absorb only one or two directives as to what to say and how to say it at a time. For instance, when giving a recent pep talk to the GOP House members, he kept saying "I'm passionate" about this or that. Right. Means the polls have indicated that people have caught on to the fact that the only things for which he seems to evince passion are naps, exercise and that bizarre ranch.
And, when traipsing through Urop, his leitmotif is "I talk plainly." Right. As in simplemindedly.
Linear this dolt is.
25144. Absensia - 7/20/2001 1:50:16 PM
Supreme Clown mugs???? Where can I get them? Please, please, please tell me.
25145. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 1:53:06 PM
his leitmotif is "I talk plainly."
Shouldn't that ne "I talk plain"?
25146. janjon - 7/20/2001 1:55:18 PM
From the Washington Post story linked above:
"The president said world leaders "have found that I'm a person who speaks plainly and openly about key issues."
"We're willing to listen," Bush said. "But I will still continue to stand for what I think is right for our country and the world."
Right. Meaning - I can only think and talk in terms of a is followed by b which is followed by c. And, if you don't like our good ol' American abcs, fuck you Urop!
25147. Cygnus X-1 - 7/20/2001 2:03:09 PM
Wow, janjon, I actually agree with you. Bush does have his shining moments, wouldn't you say?
25148. janjon - 7/20/2001 2:56:22 PM
if you find that drivel comforting in the context in which W mouths it, all I can say is .
25149. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/20/2001 5:50:47 PM
Thanks for the support folks!!! 
25150. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/20/2001 5:52:19 PM
25151. jexster - 7/20/2001 8:54:43 PM
Lest We Forget - Poppy!
Though the Bush administration has pulled out of the [Kyoto] accord, the United States is party to the 1992 Rio de Janiero convention that defined the goals for climate protection and gave birth to Kyoto. The U.S. thus remains obliged to shoulder a hefty share of the costs in helping poorer nations reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, a contractual obligation made in the Rio convention, which was signed by Bush's father, former President Bush.
25152. jexster - 7/20/2001 9:01:16 PM
Whopper of the Week - King Moron I
"The Vice President is not reinventing the federal government, he is reinvigorating the federal government. And Americans will feel this influence in our own lives. We'll have to work through a maze of bureaucracy to get health care, or tax relief [italics Chatterbox's]. ... How many of you own a rooftop photovoltaic system? Let's see the hands. Not too many. You're beginning to get the drift of 'targeted.' "
--Candidate George W. Bush at a Nov. 1 campaign rally in Minneapolis.
"On a third front, the House Ways and Means Committee may late this week approve tax breaks for purchase of photovoltaic solar systems in homes and for buying ultra-fuel efficient hybrid cars--both urged by the administration ."
--July 17 Associated Press report by H. Josef Hebert.
25153. jexster - 7/20/2001 9:05:57 PM
Speaking of Campaign 2000 BushShit, remember how the Moron squealed like a stuck pig at Wayne LaPierre's comment that the NRA would set up office in the West Wing...
Well They Have - CBS Evening News
25154. jexster - 7/20/2001 9:07:15 PM
It's all enough to cheer the heart of any gun lobbyist. An NRA vice president had predicted last year that if Bush won the group "would work out of the White House." This kind of early success, however, has to exceed even the NRA's wildest dreams.
25155. concerned - 7/20/2001 11:11:01 PM
Yo, jexster? How are things in the Demo-ratrace? The rats still winning?
25156. concerned - 7/20/2001 11:11:13 PM
Yo, jexster! How are things in the Demo-ratrace? The rats still winning?
25157. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:18:56 PM
Fine and dandy concerned! 25158. jexster - 7/20/2001 11:19:39 PM 25159. Cellar Door - 7/21/2001 10:27:51 AM A "Man of Faith" -- cops to his lies! 25160. Absensia - 7/21/2001 10:47:51 AM #25149-50 25161. jexster - 7/21/2001 11:48:30 AM The Bush administration's plan to shake up California's woebegone Republican Party is about to set off a feud between moderate Bush allies and the state party's conservative activists, a conservative magazine reported. 25162. jexster - 7/21/2001 11:49:22 AM abs...just click da pics! 25163. jexster - 7/21/2001 11:52:25 AM 25164. jexster - 7/21/2001 11:56:20 AM And like this: 25165. jexster - 7/21/2001 12:01:52 PM And like this: 25166. Cellar Door - 7/21/2001 12:04:31 PM FORT WALTON BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- An office worker for U.S. Rep. Joe Scarborough was found dead Friday in the congressman's district office. 25167. jexster - 7/21/2001 12:21:23 PM Remember Poppy and the Flag Burning Amendment... 25168. concerned - 7/21/2001 12:54:11 PM Re. 25124 - 25169. Cellar Door - 7/21/2001 1:05:53 PM 25170. concerned - 7/21/2001 1:11:54 PM Condit is a Democrat. 25171. JudithAtHome - 7/21/2001 1:18:24 PM I think everyone is aware Condit is a Democrat... 25172. JudithAtHome - 7/21/2001 1:41:56 PM ...but he's no Hank Williams, Jr. He has Friends In High Places 25173. JudithAtHome - 7/21/2001 1:43:27 PM Don't know what caused all that expanse of white after my post... 25174. concerned - 7/21/2001 1:46:16 PM Btw, shouldn't Cond-scum step down? I don't think child-molesters in public office do anybody any good, especially when they are implicated in the deaths and disappearances of others. 25175. JudithAtHome - 7/21/2001 1:50:27 PM Yeah, that little "innocent until proven guilty" thing is just a nuisance, isn't it? 25176. concerned - 7/21/2001 1:56:20 PM Re. 25175 - 25177. Absensia - 7/21/2001 2:01:52 PM #25162 25178. JudithAtHome - 7/21/2001 2:04:49 PM I agree with you on that last post, concerned. 25179. ranheim - 7/21/2001 4:50:17 PM I don't understand anything about this Condit/Levy business at all; unless it is the "gotcha politics" of Washington D.C. 25180. concerned - 7/21/2001 4:53:15 PM Re. 25179 - 25181. concerned - 7/22/2001 10:06:37 AM Gephardt threatens more Democrat tax increases if they control the House in 2002. 25182. concerned - 7/22/2001 10:37:36 AM From the NYT: US Allies Allies Tell Bush They'll Act Alone on Climate Accord 25183. concerned - 7/22/2001 10:52:52 AM Wherefore such Leftist intrasigence regarding the useless Kyoto Protocol, to the extent of disregarding US suggestings of implementing carbon sinks? 25184. concerned - 7/22/2001 11:09:33 AM ..suggestions... 25185. jexster - 7/22/2001 12:43:16 PM knew that the commission on Social Security reform appointed by George W. Bush would produce a slanted report, one designed to bully Congress into privatizing the system. But the draft report released last week is sheer, mean-spirited nonsense. 25186. jexster - 7/22/2001 12:46:11 PM 25187. jexster - 7/22/2001 12:48:35 PM GENOA, Italy, July 21 -- President Bush came under intense pressure from other leaders at the Group of Eight summit of industrial powers today to relax his opposition to the Kyoto treaty on climate change, as violent anti-globalization protests continued for a second day. 25188. jexster - 7/22/2001 12:51:16 PM EU Leftie Leaders Lampoon Lame "Leader" 25189. jexster - 7/22/2001 1:03:59 PM King Moron I Hasn't Seen A HotBox Like This Since He Pledged DKE 25190. concerned - 7/22/2001 2:45:15 PM Sounds like the socialist morons are really trying to bully GWB. 25191. concerned - 7/22/2001 2:49:43 PM GWB speaks the truth: 25192. JudithAtHome - 7/22/2001 3:08:35 PM he is a statesman. 25193. concerned - 7/22/2001 3:36:26 PM Don't know about you, JAH, but I prefer a president who isn't a habitual liar and who doesn't try to shove bullshit like Kyoto down our throats. 25194. JudithAtHome - 7/22/2001 3:42:46 PM Well, you are welcome to him, concerned. This guy may not be an habitual liar but he definitely knows how to shave the truth. 25195. concerned - 7/22/2001 3:46:52 PM The fact that he sounds like a hick from Sticksville when he stumbles off the written path makes you proud? 25196. ranheim - 7/22/2001 4:13:38 PM Has anyone in this thread considered avoiding the subject of the supposed intelligence of the president? Or the man he defeated? 25197. JudithAtHome - 7/22/2001 4:19:33 PM Well, sure, we can avoid discussing the Presidents intelligence. We can also avoid discussing 9/10ths of the stuff we discuss here. But since he keeps putting it out there, as it were, I see no need to muffle my comments on his alleged intelligence or lack thereof. 25198. JudithAtHome - 7/22/2001 4:20:20 PM Additionally, if I had my choice, I would rather the president have common sense than genius. 25199. ranheim - 7/22/2001 4:23:48 PM With all the advisors; speech writers; other hangers-on around the president, I often wonder how much of what he speaks of or about comes from considerations he, personally, has made. 25200. jexster - 7/22/2001 4:24:27 PM Additionally, if I had my choice, I would rather the president have common sense than genius. 25201. jexster - 7/22/2001 4:42:25 PM To be sure, intelligence of the kind that might manifest itself in high SAT scores isn't the most important quality in a chief executive. Leadership, integrity, and determination are all more critical qualities. Dumb luck helps. Dumbness doesn't. 25202. jexster - 7/22/2001 4:42:54 PM dumb 25203. jexster - 7/22/2001 5:46:00 PM BONN -- With an international pact to fight global warming suddenly said to be within reach, environmentalists and politicians Saturday praised the power of solidarity in their efforts to reduce so-called greenhouse gases--even if the biggest producer, the United States, won't. 25204. jexster - 7/22/2001 11:34:12 PM WASHINGTON -- Nine years after Roger Keith Coleman was put to death in Virginia's electric chair, his legal case lives on, a test of whether the state may 25205. bubbaette - 7/23/2001 7:41:22 AM There's an article in this morning's Richmond Times-Disgrace saying that Va. has one of the nation's oldest forensic DNA labs. I can't imagine why the opposition to re-testing the sample in the Coleman case. In most cases so far, re-testing DNA has proven that the right man was convicted. 25206. bubbaette - 7/23/2001 7:44:04 AM This fanatic dim-bulb -- Earley -- is now running for Governor. 25207. Wombat - 7/23/2001 8:24:33 AM So, how will Motiers spend their impending tax rebates? 25208. ranheim - 7/23/2001 8:30:41 AM Democratic Party 25209. Wombat - 7/23/2001 8:45:56 AM It is a sounder investment than many, given the Republicans' fiscal irresponsibility. 25210. ranheim - 7/23/2001 8:51:49 AM Remember now!! I'm the guy that says "a pox on both your houses!" 25211. Dusty - 7/23/2001 8:56:51 AM Wombat Message # 25115 25212. Wombat - 7/23/2001 9:07:57 AM Dusty: 25213. Dusty - 7/23/2001 9:22:00 AM Well, I'd like to think that our Democrats (with some notable exceptions), have a firmer grip on reality. 25214. jexster - 7/23/2001 10:47:38 AM Twenty House Republicans who came to the White House late last month found a president with his back up -- and against the wall. 25215. jexster - 7/23/2001 10:49:00 AM "I've got a beautiful ranch in Crawford, Texas," Bush answered, noting that he had just returned from a visit. "If I get sent back there for vetoing a bill I honestly believe will hurt people, then I'll go." 25216. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:00:43 AM ENOA, Italy, July 22 — President Bush and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia agreed today to link discussions of American plans to deploy a missile defense system with the prospect of large cuts in both nuclear arsenals. If an accord was reached quickly, it might take the place of the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty. 25217. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:03:10 AM Viva Il Papa! 25218. concerned - 7/23/2001 11:06:43 AM Re. 25216 - 25219. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:16:21 AM Count on Jexster to stop the spin. 25220. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:19:58 AM BTW the AF, according to Senate testimony, wants to violate the ABM treaty within a matter of months. 25221. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:35:36 AM When it comes to the bitter partisan wars of reapportionment, Bruce Cain's job is to give Republicans and Democrats one less thing to fight about. 25222. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 11:44:43 AM My advice to George Bush over the stem cell research issue: Veto any bill calling for federal funding of stem cells. Say it has nothing to do with abortion rights or the advocacy of a pro-life stance. Simply state that the federal government has no constitutional authority in this matter. This may make people think twice, or in most cases once, about the Constitution. 25223. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:49:05 AM Simply state that the federal government has no constitutional authority in this matter. This may make people think twice, or in most cases once, about the Constitution. 25224. jexster - 7/23/2001 11:52:49 AM "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" 25225. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 12:03:17 PM Who knows, Roe v. Wade may be a good case to cite. It's decision had to do with what government can't do. 25226. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 12:05:19 PM And remind the armchair politicians out there that we're only talking about federal funding. We're not talking about whether or not stem cell research is outlawed as all of this heated rhetoric may lead the uninitiated to believe. 25227. concerned - 7/23/2001 12:30:05 PM There's nothing wrong with stem cell research, per se. There's everything wrong with harvesting stem cells from fetal tissue, especially since there are other sources of stem cells, such as fat tissue from liposuctions. 25228. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 1:34:58 PM jexster, out of courtesy, I looked to see if anyone commented on the Bush/Putin talks before I posted something. I see you did in #25216. Now, let me say, if you try and turn this into anything but a major victory for Bush, then you are either a hack or an imbecile. 25229. rubberducky - 7/23/2001 1:40:55 PM Re: Message # 25207, Wombat. 25230. JudithAtHome - 7/23/2001 1:45:40 PM unborn babies with few restrictions. Why should such peoples' opinions be given much weight? 25231. JudithAtHome - 7/23/2001 1:47:10 PM Ducks...if you still owe money, you won't get a refund; they will apply it for you. 25232. greystoke - 7/23/2001 1:56:31 PM "So, how will Motiers spend their impending tax rebates?" 25233. ElliottRW - 7/23/2001 2:06:14 PM Ducky, won't your existing tax liabilities automatically be removed? 25234. ElliottRW - 7/23/2001 2:08:03 PM Ah, I see Judith has already answered. He he. 25235. jexster - 7/23/2001 2:12:14 PM "The Earth will become a much hotter place over the next century, according to researchers who predict in a study published on Friday there is a 90 percent chance the planet's average temperatures will rise 3 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100. Researchers at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, used a computer model to predict probable long-term increases in the Earth's temperature if no actions are taken to curb the emissions of gases and pollutants that many scientists blame for global warming. The researchers said the planet has warmed up by about 1 degrees over the last century. But they say it is likely to heat up by about 1 or 2 degrees as early as 2030. By 2100, the most likely increase would be in the range of 4 to 7 degrees, while there is a 90 percent chance global average temperatures will rise 3 to 9 degrees, they said." 25236. jexster - 7/23/2001 2:13:31 PM if you try and turn this into anything but a major victory for Bush, then you are either a hack or an imbecile. 25237. jexster - 7/23/2001 2:15:38 PM In an interview with the American Spectator, Dick Cheney rejected the worldwide scientific consensus that human activity is the cause of global warming. 25238. bubbaette - 7/23/2001 2:16:18 PM I expect ours will go into home improvement projects. If I weren't a state employee, I'd give a hefty chunk of it to our democratic gubernatorial candidate. 25239. jexster - 7/23/2001 2:27:42 PM R Moron, Krusty Feuding??? 25240. Jimbo - 7/23/2001 2:45:05 PM I would imagine the BSA or Salvation Army could use some bucks. But I don't suppose they'll get much from those who post here. 25241. JudithAtHome - 7/23/2001 2:47:35 PM I suppose they get many thousands from those who share their views, however...they aren't at the poor house doors, by any means. 25242. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 3:08:49 PM jexster, re 25236, what's there to address? How can you possibly spin as failure Bush's getting Putin to agree to not piss & moan about us pursuing a NMD? After all, I'd say 99% of the holier-than-though-I'm-smarter-than-average media thought, along with Daschle (who's suddenly more important that Speaker of the House), that we were "isolating" ourselves because there was no way Russia would agree to a NMD (as if Russia should have any say in the matter). 25243. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 3:12:22 PM jexster, re 25239, you really are an imbecile if you think we give a rat's ass about what the frogs think. "It's hard to respect the French when you have to bail 'em outta two big ones in one century. But, you gotta hand it to 'em when it comes to mayonnaise. Nice job, Pierre." 25244. JudithAtHome - 7/23/2001 3:18:38 PM imbecile if you think we give a rat's ass about what the frogs think. 25245. rubberducky - 7/23/2001 3:21:32 PM ah - well, goodie for me. uncle sam will save me the whole buck i was planning on spending on postage & money order issuing fees. 25246. ranheim - 7/23/2001 9:13:44 PM JAH 25247. Cygnus X-1 - 7/23/2001 10:51:19 PM Fortunately, we were able to fend off Hillary Clinton's ego-driven attempt to impose socialized medicine on us. Japan, it seems, wasn't so lucky. 25248. Francis Urquhart - 7/24/2001 11:01:14 AM To this forum's credit, I've yet to see anyone
endorse the humiliating concept of reparations for slavery, but for those who have flirted with such a position, this is a must read, and a thoughtful respite from the obviousness of a Horowitz. 25249. CalGal - 7/24/2001 11:55:18 AM I liked that McWhorter piece; it's actually probably better in Social Issues. (fewer people will miss it). 25250. Cellar Door - 7/24/2001 12:09:55 PM The McWhorter piece is precisely what would expect from a publication that pushed "The Bell Curve." 25251. Francis Urquhart - 7/24/2001 12:12:49 PM Worse. 25252. Cellar Door - 7/24/2001 12:16:40 PM GACK!!! 25253. glendajean - 7/24/2001 12:16:59 PM Or this. A piece about The Weekly Standard and Bush's tax cut. 25254. CalGal - 7/24/2001 12:18:59 PM That link didn't work. 25255. CalGal - 7/24/2001 12:20:18 PM Actuaally, none of the TNR links work for me. I get a novell page. 25256. Wombat - 7/24/2001 1:00:41 PM The McWorter article is a good antidote to the attitude espoused by reparationists. 25257. Cygnus X-1 - 7/24/2001 1:18:30 PM A sure sign Bush is doing a good job: Carter is disappointed. 25258. janjon - 7/24/2001 3:43:00 PM From this week's New Republic. 25259. janjon - 7/24/2001 3:46:04 PM Carter says it succinctly as well as aptly. 25260. JudithAtHome - 7/24/2001 3:46:47 PM Hey, he's plenty good in foreign policy!! Just ask him. 25261. jexster - 7/24/2001 4:18:55 PM Bush Saves Kyoto...Leaves US Isolated 25262. jexster - 7/24/2001 4:22:04 PM It's hard to respect the French when you have to bail 'em outta two big ones in one century. But, you gotta hand it to 'em when it comes to mayonnaise. Nice job, Pierre." 25263. jexster - 7/24/2001 4:24:24 PM Thank you George Bush...You saved Kyoto single handedly. You could have let it die without all that bully pulpit but NO you had to show you were a leader. 25264. janjon - 7/24/2001 4:40:41 PM Watching this Presidency unfold is an incredible, numbing experience. I suppose that they way they got there emboldens them to think that they can just continue to go their merry way, period. 25265. jexster - 7/24/2001 4:50:55 PM "It's a geopolitical earthquake," said Jennifer Morgan, director of the World Wildlife Fund Climate Change Campaign. "Other countries have demonstrated their independence from the Bush administration on the world's most critical environmental problem." 25266. jexster - 7/24/2001 4:52:39 PM The problem he has now is moving off his hardline. He set it so hard that nobody pays any attention to his "center" moves which are seen as just so much window dressing. 25267. jexster - 7/24/2001 4:59:10 PM How can you possibly spin as failure Bush's getting Putin to agree to not piss & moan about us pursuing a NMD? 25268. jexster - 7/24/2001 5:01:19 PM Now Bush can spin this until the cows come home and it won't change the fact that Putin has him by the balls. His position is weaker today than it was at the so-called second "sucessful" test. 25269. arkymalarky - 7/24/2001 5:11:59 PM I would like to believe that W occasionally looks at himself in the mirror and says words to the effect of Holy Shit, what in the fuck am I doing here. But I don't think he is that introspective. 25270. jexster - 7/24/2001 5:12:38 PM ''I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe--I believe what I believe is right.''--Rome, July 22, 2001 25271. Cygnus X-1 - 7/24/2001 5:13:53 PM jexster, if you like that commercial, you can't be as dumb as to believe what you wrote in 25267. 25272. jexster - 7/24/2001 5:16:17 PM It has happened with the brutal logic of film noir: The protagonist's early mistake puts him in a tight spot. He escapes, but only by plunging into a deeper deception. His escalating series of lies and crimes cut off, one by one, any path to deliverance until, finally, he is caught. 25273. jexster - 7/24/2001 5:21:10 PM Cyg...try as I might you are just too dense. 25274. Cygnus X-1 - 7/24/2001 7:10:49 PM Pretension about details will get you nowhere, jexster. I throw around those phrases so that you, by elaborating on your position, illustrate just how specious you position is. Of course, it takes a reasonable person to discern that. 25275. arkymalarky - 7/24/2001 7:17:33 PM Hahaha! Don't bother Cyg with details, Jex! He's trying to get you to see the big picture! 25276. Cygnus X-1 - 7/24/2001 8:59:51 PM You know, there's a facetious way to illustrate the differences between men and women. You present them with a situation where they're an outfielder in the world series and a fly ball has been hit to them. As they go to catch the ball, they see their child has fallen over the ledge. Now, they can either go save the child or catch the fly ball. Famously, women will choose to save their child rather than catch the fly ball. Men, so the story goes, are astounded that the women can make this choice without asking if there are men on base. 25277. JudithAtHome - 7/24/2001 10:47:13 PM Yeah, what's a dead child or two... 25278. concerned - 7/24/2001 11:41:48 PM Wonder how jexster will spin it when we have arms reduction and NMD. 25279. jexster - 7/25/2001 4:06:55 AM Ain't spinning a damned thing. 25280. jexster - 7/25/2001 4:08:41 AM And if you accept Cyg's view "Who cares what Russia thinks or does" the very last thing you would want to do is enter into negotiations not only of NMD but also arms reductions. 25281. jexster - 7/25/2001 4:20:47 AM 25282. jexster - 7/25/2001 4:33:12 AM Russia matters enuf to King Moron to open comprehensive nuclear arms talks including NMD. 25283. jexster - 7/25/2001 4:49:46 AM Ass backwardness seems to infect NMD technically as well as politically... 25284. jexster - 7/25/2001 4:50:11 AM 25285. Cygnus X-1 - 7/25/2001 10:20:21 AM Judith, re 25277: 25286. PelleNilsson - 7/25/2001 11:49:14 AM What a really stupid post. 25287. ElliottRW - 7/25/2001 12:03:11 PM Cygnus, just in case you're interested, there is a discussion going on in Philosophy that touches on the stem cell issue. 25288. PelleNilsson - 7/25/2001 12:39:05 PM I posted a piece in history on how president Wilsson was handicapped by his lack of experience when, at Versailles, he had to go into face-to-face negotiations with real political pros like Clemenceau and Lloyd George. 25289. jexster - 7/25/2001 12:54:31 PM No Bush is not a country hick. He's a rich preppy boy. 25290. jexster - 7/25/2001 12:58:23 PM Note today's news reports of Bush admin backpeddaling on precisely the points I mention, the reasons I cited. 25291. jexster - 7/25/2001 1:02:30 PM Thanks FU but never cast a sissy eye at reparations. 25292. jexster - 7/25/2001 1:26:02 PM A Befuddled King Moron I Snatches Defeat from the Jaws of Victory 25293. PelleNilsson - 7/25/2001 1:30:44 PM No Bush is not a country hick. He's a rich preppy boy. 25294. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 1:45:15 PM which scientists say is the chief contributor to global warming. 25295. PelleNilsson - 7/25/2001 2:21:46 PM Science should be concentrating on our actual antropogenic influence on global climate. 25296. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 2:43:30 PM That doesn't appear what science is doing in this case. Seems to me many of the louder scientists in this debate have taken a decidedly biased stances to promote political agendas. 25297. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 2:49:49 PM This is an interesting philsophical issue to me. How much should scientists attempt to distance themselves from the political turbulance that surrounds subjects they generally study because the care so much about them? Pretty difficult to do I imagine... particularly one usually needs some sort of controversy in order to creat the leverage that generates funding. 25298. ElliottRW - 7/25/2001 5:20:44 PM iibbb -- thinkng about the objectivity of scientists reminded me of this article. 25299. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 5:34:17 PM Good read Elliot. 25300. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 5:35:19 PM sweat=sweet (I swear I was influenced by those Japanese signs in that other thread) 25301. concerned - 7/25/2001 6:44:58 PM Re. 25258 - 25302. concerned - 7/25/2001 6:47:06 PM Virtually every one of the 180 countries 'dealing' with CO2 emissions is doing so, if at all, exclusively by tongue lashing the US. 25303. concerned - 7/25/2001 6:48:14 PM Are we raising wheat in Greenland yet? 25304. concerned - 7/25/2001 6:56:06 PM Let's be clear on this. The huge majority of real scientist, climatologists, etc. know that the Kyoto Protocol is shit and that predictive global climate modeling is little more than a crapshoot. 25305. concerned - 7/25/2001 7:04:53 PM Re. 25281 - 25306. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 7:19:51 PM I remember I was at a party once and I met an earth-firster. He was going on and on about the evils of man and our crimes against nature. He was in school studying ecology or environmental law or something. His background was political science. 25307. concerned - 7/25/2001 8:38:21 PM Re. 25306 - 25308. ElliottRW - 7/25/2001 8:54:15 PM concerned, 25309. ElliottRW - 7/25/2001 8:59:16 PM iiibbb, 25310. concerned - 7/25/2001 9:20:42 PM Re. 25308 - 25311. concerned - 7/25/2001 9:41:41 PM Rather than simply hypothecate about GCMs, I also look at the geological and historical record of the effects of climatic cycles in the recent past. 25312. OhioSTOPAS - 7/25/2001 10:05:36 PM Why do conservatives/Republicans always want to argue about global warming in "Politics" instead of a science thread? 25313. concerned - 7/25/2001 10:10:10 PM First of all, I'm politically a centrist. That aside, this is where the discussion was before I got here, with Jexster being a notable contributor..... 25314. concerned - 7/25/2001 10:12:26 PM I would like to believe that W occasionally looks at himself in the mirror and says words to the effect of Holy Shit, what in the fuck am I doing here. But I don't think he is that introspective. 25315. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 10:18:00 PM Elliot: 25316. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 10:37:21 PM I offer two examples. 25317. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 10:37:30 PM 25318. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 10:46:12 PM The other annoying thing about government policy... is that once a program or law is in place... it is very difficult if not impossible to remove it even if it proves ineffective or out of date. 25319. iiibbb - 7/25/2001 10:54:17 PM Message # 25312 25320. concerned - 7/25/2001 11:33:22 PM Well, I know jexster's mission in life is similar to that of Boris Badinov's in Rocky and Bullwinkle: 25321. iiibbb - 7/26/2001 8:50:30 AM Message # 25312 25322. Francis Urquhart - 7/26/2001 12:49:51 PM 25323. CalGal - 7/26/2001 12:57:49 PM Jesus, that's dumb. 25324. rubberducky - 7/26/2001 1:03:23 PM that's stupid beyond words, Fran 25325. iiibbb - 7/26/2001 1:08:01 PM 5000 incidents out of how many total passengers per year warants this response? 25326. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:20:07 PM Science is very germane to the discussion iiibbb. Junk science prepared by industry trade groups that's another matter. 25327. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:22:09 PM As the energy crisis worsened this year, Davis hired two former Clinton White House insiders, Mark Fabiani and Chris Lehane, to manage his public relations effort. Davis soon began appearing frequently on the national stage, including a "summit" with President Bush that vaulted Davis to equal footing with the president. 25328. bubbaette - 7/26/2001 1:22:33 PM It's making a big assumption to say that the law will be enacted if the airlines don't act. Surely the Senator knows that there are more people involved in passing a law than just she. 25329. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:27:51 PM "Next summer in DC is going to be the political equivalent of nuclear winter" - Me 12/00 25330. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:29:19 PM Leave it to FU to bitch that she can't get soused on her next shuttle to LaGuardia. 25331. Francis Urquhart - 7/26/2001 1:31:41 PM First bathhouses, now booze. She's a menace. 25332. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:34:39 PM Tell me about it. Miss Prig and a bitch to boot. 25333. Francis Urquhart - 7/26/2001 1:35:44 PM I like her for vp. 25334. iiibbb - 7/26/2001 1:36:15 PM I wasn't the one who said science wasn't germane. I also don't believe I cited "junk science" sources either. 25335. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:38:39 PM WASHINGTON, July 25 — The debate over Pentagon spending has exposed a deep rift within the Republican Party's conservative wing, pitting supporters of tax cuts and smaller government against military hawks who contend that President Bush is shortchanging the armed forces.... 25336. CalGal - 7/26/2001 1:39:06 PM I like Feinstein, actually, but this is moronic. 25337. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:42:00 PM Lieberman-DiFi - The Democrats' Taliban Ticket 25338. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:45:57 PM Representative Curt Weldon, a Republican from Pennsylvania who sits on the Armed Services Committee, said .... 25339. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:48:19 PM Has Mexico Out Foxed Bush? (Weekly Standard) 25340. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:53:35 PM People Get Ready There's A Train A Comin 25341. jexster - 7/26/2001 1:56:49 PM Those of us who expressed concern about the Bush administration's shorting of the military were told not to worry 25342. ElliottRW - 7/26/2001 2:31:16 PM Re: booze on airlines. Is there a link between booze and "air rage"? I haven't seen any studies on this. I realize that some of you may be saying "research doesn't matter" since you view this an issue of rights, but I'd still like to know if there are any facts underlying Feinstein's request. If there is a link, then perhaps some sort of action is called for. (Language Mavens--did I just end a sentence with a preposition?) Assuming there is a link, what can we do about it? 25343. bubbaette - 7/26/2001 2:39:44 PM catheterize all passengers, gag them and restrain restrain them in their seats, and give them fluids intravenously. That way, they can have alcoholic drinks but can't give you any shit. 25344. CalGal - 7/26/2001 2:41:17 PM I suspect the numbers show a correlation, but that doesn't mean cause. 25345. Cygnus X-1 - 7/26/2001 2:41:38 PM Just call me Wiz. 25346. JudithAtHome - 7/26/2001 2:43:26 PM Did anyone vote on that poll next to the article FU linked to? I expected it to be very one sided, on the side of NO but it wasn't. 25347. iiibbb - 7/26/2001 2:44:58 PM 5000 incidents out of millions...that's hardly overwhelming. Even if there's a correlation... it's probably related between alcohol and a certain personality type, not air-rage. People that can not conduct themselves properly should be arrested and fined. It has nothing to do with alcohol being served on airlines. 25348. jexster - 7/26/2001 2:46:55 PM Yea there are tons o facts, evidence, studies to back DiFi up on this one. 25349. jexster - 7/26/2001 2:51:48 PM Cyg.. 25350. jexster - 7/26/2001 3:04:43 PM You and me ain't nothin but mamals 25351. PelleNilsson - 7/26/2001 4:27:01 PM I suspect there is also a correlation with the increasing frustration of flying: delays, overcrowded airports and so on. 25352. bbb - 7/26/2001 5:23:04 PM Has Condit resigned yet? 25353. bbb - 7/26/2001 5:25:04 PM EPA has finally figured out that "Three pollutants" approach is more sensible than the "Four pollutants" approach. 25354. JudithAtHome - 7/26/2001 6:33:10 PM SALON article on a Bush Anniversary. 25355. jexster - 7/26/2001 7:58:45 PM You cannot trust our media. 25356. jexster - 7/26/2001 8:11:02 PM That was a good article indeed JAH. 25357. jexster - 7/26/2001 8:17:03 PM To be sure, some observers think that Bush's unwillingness or inability to explicitly acknowledge his alcoholism indicates that he's a "dry drunk" -- an alcoholic who has stopped drinking but hasn't addressed his underlying problems, because he's too dumb and privileged. ...They think he's an intellectually vapid, callous child of entitlement. 25358. jexster - 7/26/2001 8:18:01 PM Why don't geocites pics ever work? I go ask the techies. 25359. Dusty - 7/26/2001 8:29:47 PM Pelle beat me to it, but it is worth repeating. Flying is getting increasingly exasperating. When cooped up people have been waiting in longer lines, suffering more delays with less information, then add a couple drinks and some nerves will snap. To attribute it all to the drink is missing the problem. 25360. jexster - 7/26/2001 9:05:15 PM I bet you have no idea what the level of drinking is Dusty. 25361. jexster - 7/26/2001 9:07:59 PM CBS Evening News reports that Sadaam, encouraged by King MI's Kyoto Disaster and Porking By Putin, took another pot shot at U2 today. Mano a Moron the Mutha of All Battles! 25362. jexster - 7/26/2001 9:18:15 PM FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 25363. jexster - 7/26/2001 9:19:24 PM FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 25364. jexster - 7/26/2001 10:18:14 PM From Bonn to Baghdad to Genoa to Constitution Ave, NE 25365. Stumbo - 7/26/2001 11:30:44 PM "... add a couple drinks and some nerves will snap." 25366. jexster - 7/26/2001 11:52:36 PM There are happy, nice drunks (me) 25367. Stumbo - 7/27/2001 1:14:32 AM ... And then there are already-angry people, trying to have a few drinks in order to relax, forgive, and forget, who might instead get even angrier when denied that option. 25368. don s. - 7/27/2001 2:05:23 AM ... due to what the airline admitted was a mechanical problem (i.e., its own fault). No compensation whatsoever was offered. So I chewed out a coupla flight attendants... 25369. don s. - 7/27/2001 2:13:08 AM Just call me Wiz. 25370. jexster - 7/27/2001 4:20:00 AM I think that the overwhelming majority of straight mean are mean drunks (extensive sociological observation you understand) 25371. Toenails - 7/27/2001 7:13:56 AM Why are Condit and his loyal-but-misguided staffer continuing to try to keep the lid on concerning the Congressman's (evidently) multiple liaisons with assorted females? 25372. iiibbb - 7/27/2001 8:17:46 AM I think airplanes should be banned 25373. iiibbb - 7/27/2001 8:18:44 AM If it saves just one child isn't it worth it? 25374. Stumbo - 7/27/2001 11:07:09 AM Don: 25375. jexster - 7/27/2001 1:55:57 PM Global Warming Heats Up....As we bridge players say, let's review the bidding! 25376. jexster - 7/27/2001 1:57:19 PM An imposter - vapid in all senses common or otherwise 25377. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/27/2001 2:33:45 PM 25378. Absensia - 7/27/2001 2:58:52 PM Wiz...Perfect! Makes my day! 25379. bubbaette - 7/27/2001 3:20:41 PM Curious George of the Jungle 25380. rubberducky - 7/27/2001 3:24:53 PM 25381. jexster - 7/27/2001 6:03:24 PM Posted in the highbrow thread, aka international, an article from the NYT on the Middle East Mess concludes: 25382. jexster - 7/27/2001 6:04:55 PM Having been taken to the Mountain Top where are we headed on the BushShit Train today? 25383. concerned - 7/27/2001 6:42:55 PM keel booshe 25384. don s. - 7/27/2001 8:12:57 PM But I think you know what I meant. 25385. Stumbo - 7/27/2001 11:48:29 PM Don: 25386. concerned - 7/28/2001 12:15:41 AM I have this to say about our current economic situation: 25387. jexster - 7/28/2001 12:45:39 PM So much for BushShit concerned..what you are seeing is a failure of Big Capitalism...and Bush Shit... 25388. jexster - 7/28/2001 12:49:09 PM Meanwhile back at the TrainWreck that is concerned's Presidunce not mine... 25389. jexster - 7/28/2001 12:57:41 PM People get ready there's a train a comin 25390. jexster - 7/28/2001 12:58:23 PM you jess thank the Lord! 25391. jexster - 7/28/2001 2:28:42 PM Must See TV! 25392. bbb - 7/28/2001 4:19:43 PM Huh? 25393. concerned - 7/28/2001 5:35:58 PM More proof of leftward media bias (as if it was needed): 25394. concerned - 7/28/2001 5:39:12 PM You gotta admit Jeff Greenfield is a moron with a real knee jerk attitude. 25395. concerned - 7/28/2001 5:46:58 PM ..referred today to the... 25396. concerned - 7/29/2001 3:56:54 AM From the Observer:
President Bush's senior adviser, Karl Rove, met with two pharmaceutical industry lobbyists in his White House office last month when he owned more than $240,000 worth of stock in two of the nation's biggest drug companies, the White House confirmed yesterday.
Thanks Wiz....those are great...from where can I order them???
"Bush Friend Plotting Coup in California GOP," is the headline on an article in the July 23 Human Events, which quotes angered conservatives and calls the matter "a full-blown crisis." The story, writer John Gizzi reported, goes like
this:
[Former CA Gov}
Wilson opposes Bush's immigrant-amnesty proposal
GOP blames ex-governor for alienating Latinos
Gov. Frank Keating of Oklahoma turned down a request by President Vicente Fox of Mexico to commute the death sentence of a Mexican citizen.
Ariba!
Lori Klausutis, 28, may have had prior health problems, medical examiner Michael Berkland said. A police statement said there were no signs foul play.
Klausutis had worked for Scarborough since May 1999 as a consituent service coordinator, said Mick Serrano, press secretary for the congressman.
Scarborough was traveling from Washington late Friday and was not available for comment, said an aide in his Pensacola office.
Scarborough, a Republican, announced last month he was resigning Sept. 6 to spend more time with two young sons.
A special primary election is scheduled Tuesday to select Democratic and Republican nominees for an Oct. 16 general election to replace him.
recent law school graduates weren't even born the last time the Supreme Court was thought to be a reliable safety net for civil liberties
Kinsley On the Improbable Demise of Poppy's Putrescence
Funny, but disgusting, also. Why
does the USCCR waste everybody's time with this tripe instead of exercising at least a minimal level of due diligence? Is it that they are trying to impress their coterie of credulous/stupid Lefties?
Just in case anybody wasn't sure....
Condit Has an Alibi
Dick Cheney has emerged as a surprise witness for the beleaguered congressman, NEWSWEEK has learned
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
July 20 — Vice President Dick Cheney has emerged as a surprise alibi witness for Rep. Gary Condit in the investigation into the disappearance of missing Washington intern Chandra Levy, NEWSWEEK has learned.
Condit had a private meeting with Cheney on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, May 1, to discuss the California energy crisis, according to White House and law-enforcement sources. The meeting began at 12:30 p.m. EDT and lasted for about 20 to 25 minutes, the sources said.
It was at that very moment that, according to police, Levy was in her Dupont Circle apartment wrapping up a three-hour-plus session on her laptop computer in which she sent out e-mails and surfed the Internet. She searched for plane schedules for return trips to California, looking for discount fares on Southwest Airlines, and clicked on various Web sites, apparently to check out locations in Washington, including, law-enforcement sources say, a Baskin-Robbins ice-cream store.
And please do not mistake my remartk as support for a grown man who, for whatever reason, thinks it is okay to date young girls while he is a married man...he's to be condemned for doing that. But until he's charged with her murder, I don't think we ought to assume he did it, no matter that he is an odious person.
Then there is Condit's almost certain loss of effectiveness as a legislator because of his admitted wrongdoing. If he believes in public service rather than hoping that he might be able to keep his job as some kind of sinecure, he ought to consider whether stepping down might really be best for his constituency.
Jexster...not sure why I only right clicked before....must of been a senior moment! Now they've been ordered!
Ask yourself - in your community, "how many young woman have disappeared in the last 6 months"? There is one locally - that I am aware of - in a parish (that is a county to you) of 40,000. And nobody, except the family, gives a thought to the disappearance any longer. Her 15 minutes of Andy Warhol fame; and now the flame has burned out -figuratively, and most likely, literally.
I like and respect the members of Congress much less than most of you. However, I am aware that the lack of respect costs. Police, however ineffective they may have been prior to Prohibition, were treated with respect by all. Prohibition cast most policemen in a dubious light. Their reputation as a group certainly has not improved since. Constant negative publicity, the like that Condit is receiving, does not enhance the image of Congress - either here or abroad.
They make of themselves laughing-stocks. They need no help from the media. For me, I am tired and bored of this circus.
Well, I don't really pay much attention to it, either, but once in a while, it shows up on my radar in such a way that I feel that I need to comment. In this case, it was an article I read that indicated that, while the media is obsessively concentrating on this case, few mentions are made of Condit's party affiliation. Hence, my original post.
excerpt:
GENOA, Italy, July 21 — As tens of thousands of demonstrators marched toward the center of this ancient city and occasionally clashed with the police, the United States' leading allies told President Bush today that they intended to move ahead and ratify the Kyoto Protocol on global warming by next year, even without American participation.
At the summit meeting of top industrial nations, protesters and riot police clashed anew, one day after a protester was killed. Today as many as 50,000 demonstrators flowed through the streets of Genoa, but outside the center of the city, where the leaders were sequestered.
The crowds were far larger than on Friday. The police made efforts to keep their distance, after images raced around the world on Friday of an Italian policeman shooting a demonstrator dead, and then running over his body with a jeep.
I won't hold my breath waiting for them to ratify Kyoto. In fact, the question arises as to why they haven't already.
Even if the US did sign on which, which would only have any conceivable chance of happening, given our First Amendment, with a full court press of media disinformation, it'd only change the global CO2 increase by less than 1% a hundred years from now, and the economic price is clearly unacceptable, especially for the less well off. What may be even worse is that major pollutors such as India and China are left free to do their worst without any constraints whatsoever, according to Kyoto.
All in all, the Kyoto Protocol is based on bad science and would have the effect of reducing economic competitiveness if the US adopted it, while having negligible potential to reduce CO2 emissions in its present form.
The commission, in an attempt to sow panic, claims that Social Security is in imminent peril — that the system will be in crisis as soon as 2016. That's wildly at odds with the standard projection, which says that Social Security reserves will last until 2038. And even that projection is based on quite pessimistic assumptions about future economic growth and hence future payroll tax receipts. If you use more optimistic assumptions — say, the assumptions in the budget forecasts that were used to justify Mr. Bush's tax cut — the system will still be financially sound in 2075.
In what participants described as the most contentious session of the summit so far, Bush was thrown on the defensive as other leaders warned of the dangers of jettisoning an international agreement that has taken nearly a decade to negotiate...
"Senior European diplomats said the leaders of France, Britain and Germany took turns trying to convince Bush that he could not reject the Kyoto treaty without offering an alternative strategy to cope with climate change. They emphasized that public opinion in their countries has become so emotionally charged over the issue that if the United States failed to take a more positive approach, it could inflict serious damage on the transatlantic partnership."
They'll soon find out that their efforts on behalf of the worthless Kyoto Protocol are wasted.
Bush said while he shared their objective of reducing "greenhouse gas" emissions, he did not believe Kyoto was a worthy treaty, nor would it ever be ratified by Congress.
Of course, the truth counts for little among those for whom politics is paramount, but then, George W. Bush is more than a politician; he is a statesman.
In your dreams!
The fact that he sounds like a hick from Sticksville when he stumbles off the written path makes you proud? Fine and dandy...may you beam with pride each time he opens his mouth. As for me, I'll continue to enjoy his strategery and his being digmatic.
I guess the Republicans wanted to give the Democrats a chance in 2004:)
I think it can be posited by all of us that neither were geniuses.
Additionally, if I had my choice, I would rather the president have common sense than genius.
I couldn't agree more.
I would bet that it is a surprisingly low %.
How bout neither?
GENOA, Italy (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) said on Sunday that anti-trade protesters such as those who disrupted a big-power summit with riots that killed one demonstrator were ``dead wrong.
Do Dim Bulbs Make Great Presidents? [Weisberg, 11/03/99
Delegates and observers acknowledged that a deal to rescue the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which would apportion emission reductions to industrialized nations, is still far from guaranteed. But there was a watershed change in atmosphere at the U.N. Convention on Climate Change here after negotiators reported major advances toward resolving the most divisive issues.
Intellect - 0; Common Sense - 0; Relevance - 0
LAT
The AG in Va. now so opposed to re-testing the evidence is Mark Early -- a right wing Christer and right-to-life fanatic who, while a member of the General Assembly, repeatedly introduced whackaloon anti-abortion bills which he knew would be found unconstitutional if enacted. Shame he doesn't extend his beliefs about the sanctity of life to the living.
The Wombats will be investing most of theirs, except for a sizeable contribution to the Democratic Party. I guess that too would be an investment.
Home of labor union members; teachers; government employees; minorities.
That is an investment?
Specifically, how is the Republican Party more spendthrift than the Democratic Party?
Sorry to post and run; I'm off to the office.
If Democrats thought like Republican, Mellon- Scaife operatives, we would tie Hatfield's death to sinister forces in the Bush White House.
Guess you aren't following the TT thread on this subject.
Excerpts:
There is every reason to believe this is murder, its too good for Bush not to be investigated, not that it will be....There is no way in hell this was a suicide....I can promise one absolute 100% guarantee - We will never, NEVER, know the truth - the cover-up story has already been written....The media's certainly in no hurry to report this latest "Shadow Government" action....I don't blame President Gore. I'm implying that the current occupant of the White House is behind the death of James Hatfield.
I limit myself to whatever rantings occur at the Mote.
Up Against the Wall MF!
Putin has Bush by the balls. Having just signed a treaty of friendship with China, he turns around and grabs the Soul Man, desperate for an NMD deal, and ropes him into negotiating a revision of the ABM treaty. Walking away from active negotiations is, of course, vastly more difficult than walkking away from the "relic of the cold war".
Intellect - 0
Common Sense - 0
Soul Reading - 100!
J2P2 opens meet with King Moron with warnings on the evils of capital punishment and stem cell research.
Reality check concerned!
Now, tell us Oh Minion of the Moron, do you expect Putin to give Bush a comprehensive arms deal by then?
And BTW, the Putin/Bush deal has nothing whatsoever to do with "non-proliferation"
Spin...spin...spin
Cain, who directs the University of California at Berkeley's Institute of Governmental Studies, is the honest broker who provides both sides with numbers they can trust, based on work he has been doing for the past 20 years.
Cain is tight with my buds Rich DeLeon (SFSU Poli Sci Chmn) and David Lee (Chinese-American Voter Education Committee)...a demographic geek, he is also big on Asian-American voting behavior in CA....
Chron
Bio
Then, remind the country that there are many (not necessarily me) who abhor the concept of using stem cells for research. Follow that with a quote from Thomas Jefferson: "To compel a man
to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
And cite Roe v. Wade for authority.
Good idea!
Exactly what a representative of the US Conf. of Catholic Bishops said in a debate with Orrin Hatch!
In a gruesome irony, the very same people who inveigh against medical research on animals insist on cuisinarting unborn babies with few restrictions. Why should such peoples' opinions be given much weight?
So, how will Motiers spend their impending tax rebates?
cash it, get money order, send to fucking IRS for the fucking tax burden i still owe from 2-fucking-thousand.
not that i think i'm overtaxed or anything.
And what, pray tell, will they do with these "babies" otherwise?
We're putting ours in savings.
Donation to the "Al Gore in 2004" Committee.
Also known as CREVICE -- The Committee to Re-Elect the VICE president.
Slogan -- Stick your refund in Al's CREVICE.
OK Soul Man, Krusty Klown, which part of 90% don't you understand?
Guilty on both counts. Now why don't you answer the substance of my comments?
"There seems to be no doubt that there is global warming going on. It shows up a lot of different ways. The question is whether it's a result of centuries-long natural cycles or whether man's activity over the last 50 or 60 years has contributed to it."
Asked about European anger over Kyoto, Cheney contemptuously said, "They'll get over it."
Free To Laugh...Free To Laugh
Contrast the Cheney Interview with...
"We were all pleased by his new orientation," said President Jacques Chirac of France, citing Bush's pledge to work more effectively with leaders of the other major industrialized countries to reduce "greenhouse gas" emissions, even though the United States still says it will not ratify the Kyoto global warming treaty.
3 possibilties:
1. The hot box worked and Bush now thinks against his conservative supporters that greenhouse emmissions are a problem.
2. Chirac is an idiot and swallowed a load of Offensive Charm
3. Chirac is a smart politician who beat Bush up on Day 1 and declared victory on Day 2.
Like it or not, Bush lead and the rest of the morons will follow. Despite near overwhelming antagonistic sentiment from the press and the socialists in Europe, Bush is getting what he wanted. That's a hell of a lot better then a president raising his sails and letting the winds take him where they may. What a refreshing change from our previous president.
Well, shoot, let's just extend that to "rest of the world" and be done with it....after all, we don't need anything from them, do we?
and Bush says he wants to stimulate the economy.
I would be a whole lot more comfortable for my children and grandchildren if we were less reliant on ANY other country or groups of countries than we are at the present time.
But, then, I am nearly an isolationist. I would think that way.
[Excerpt:]
TOKYO (AP) Dr. Katsura Nakakawaji's daily ritual starts at 9:30 a.m. with a visit from a 70-year-old patient.
The man wants ultrasound and massage for his joints, which are arthritic and sore. He doesn't really need the treatment, and Nakakawaji suspects the main reason he comes is to chat with other elderly patients, all regulars, in the waiting room. He gets the care anyway.
"He comes every day because it costs him close to nothing," said Nakakawaji, whose clinic is in a quiet, upscale neighborhood. "But he doesn't realize that someone has to pay for his visits."
That someone is the government and the government is running out of money.
[End excerpt:]
John McWhorter
They pushed this
A Brother Can't get a Break at TNR
Maybe they should rehire Sully as editor.
After all, his policy is "Brothers Welcome," isn't it?
[Excerpt:]
Jimmy Carter said he is disappointed in President Bush's performance in the Oval Office and said the first-term Republican has ignored moderates in both parties - including Secretary of State Colin Powell.
...
''I have been disappointed in almost everything he has done,'' Carter said.
[End excerpt]
The "Note" is entitled "Daddy Daddy":
"In some ways President Bush is inexperienced; in other ways President Bush is experienced. In foreign policy, he is sorely inexperienced (except, amigo, in the one piece of our foreign policy of which a governor of Texas would have some knowledge); in having his father bail him out of a mess, he is exceedingly experienced. It happens that, for months now, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah has been complaining that the Bush administration is tilting toward Israel and disrespecting Yasir Arafat's intifada. So what's a commander-in-chief to do? On July 15, The New York Times reported that 41 pitched in to do the work of 43 and telephoned the disgruntled petrocrat to assure him that 43's "heart is in the right place"--the right place being, of course, the oily Gulf, which is the only part of the Middle East that 41 has ever really cared about. Even worse, "[a]ccording to one of the accounts, President Bush was in the room when his father made the call." After which, no doubt, Junior breathed a great sigh of relief and wiped that grin off his face and swore that he will never get into trouble again and flipped open a beer. But we are skeptical. The president just keeps breaking new ground in demeaning our diplomacy. Whatever will we do with that boy?"
Cyg there is hope for you yet! My favorite commercial.
But we now understand why Chirac was being so nicey, nice to King Moron I. He had Kyoto in the bag. Its the Euro MO these days. Rough him up for the first part then release a bunch of fluff to the press so he doesn't look so dismally stupid
Bwahahahahaahaha
I would like to believe that W occasionally looks at himself in the mirror and says words to the effect of Holy Shit, what in the fuck am I doing here. But I don't think he is that introspective.
OK I will make it simple for you.
On the plus side, it gives King Moron a graceful way out of his pell-mell to hell NMD campaign
Hahaha. You'd better hope he isn't. If he ever got the slightest bit of perspective I'm convinced he'd go into an absolute panic and run screaming. Then what would we do? We'd be at the mercy of Cheney.
Russia has announced and presumably intends to keep MIRV's as their answer to NMD if it is sucessful
Who cares?
By linking NMD to reductions talks, Putin gets leverage he did not previously have
Duhhh... I thought, according to the press and Daschle, Putin had all the leverage. This is only a face-saving measure.
Before he made his deal with Putin, Bush had only to pull out of the ABM treaty. Now he has to pull out of active negotiations with Russia on nuclear arms as well.
So what?
These negotiations will go nowhere if NMD appears to be anything more than a colossal waste of US tax dollars
Like I said, it's just for Putin to save face. We don't give a fuck what Russia says. You talk as if we can't just go ahead with NMD without Russia's approval. As I've tried to make clear, Bush leads. He does not sail with the political winds.
And, I hope all you idiots who are criticizing Bush as being inexperienced in foreign policy had the same criticisms of Clinton in his first 6 months. Oh, shit, I forgot about that old double standard you liberals apply to everything. My bad.
Our story begins in June, when George W. Bush signed his name to a tax cut filled with gimmicks that sneakily disguised its true cost. It was not long, however, before the Bushies realized that they had sucked away so much federal revenue that, in 2002, the government wouldn't be able to fund itself without tapping the Medicare surplus
Scams on Top of Scams..Bush's Tar Baby
You throw around phrases like "save face" "so what" "I don't give a fuck" and think you've constructed an argument.
With NMD and arms reduction linked in talks, the only way ABM happens is if Putin lets it happen or Bush walks the talks.
Now you may not care, but I guarantee you a domestic and international disaster of Moronic proportion if he chooses the latter course.
General arms reduction talks linked to ABM gives life to the "relic" it did not have.
You just don't get it, do you. Repeat after me: Russia doesn't matter.
Now, a resonable person would say "Who cares about the details? That's your child we're talking about!" This is the point. WHO CARES WHAT RUSSIA SAYS? We're talking about our defense! Finally, a big government program that's actually constitutional.
Anyway, it doesn't necessarily matter if there are men on base. What really matters is the score of the game.
That's what you idiots cannot grasp.
I simply provided an analysis of the political implications of this "deal"
But he's a Soul Man! 
FY 2002 - 3 NMD Tests will violate treaty
Now either the Idiot in Chief will have to walk out on the talks to conduct those tests or he won't conduct them at all.
The political price for NMD has gone up, not down.
Internationally Euros will howl. Domestically, he has given Carl Levin just the excuse he needs to crap on funding until we get some real world results.
In fact, Bush's NMD political strategy is ludicrous. Reminiscent of Kyoto, he thumps his chest about the ABM Treaty all in a manic rush to buy a 300 billion system that has yet to be proved feasible against a threat that is wild ass nuclear strategist fancy.
National Missile Defense Technology Found Wanting -- Again
Colonel Daniel Smith, USA (Ret.), Chief of Research - Center for Defense Information, smith@cdi.org
Last week, the multifaceted U.S. effort to develop and field a reliable if limited national missile defense (NMD) once again was panned by authoritative critics.
The General Accounting Office (GAO), one of Congress' watchdog agencies, struck first with another devastating analysis of the Space-Based Infrared System-Low (SBIRS-Low). The report, "Defense Acquisitions: Space-Based Infrared System-low at Risk of Missing Initial Deployment Date" (GAO-01-6, February 28, 2001), says that "the Air Force's current SBIRS-Low acquisition schedule is at a high risk of not delivering the system on time or at cost or with expected performance."
With its complementary six-satellite SBIRS-High system, the 30-satellite (24 active and six test) SBIRS-Low system performs several crucial functions. Operating from space, SBIRS is intended to detect hostile missile launches, perform mid-course tracking, identify decoys from real warheads, and cue land-based missile-control radars that would guide interceptor missiles and their "hit-to-kill" warheads to an intercept point in space.
But the SBIRS-Low program has flipped the logic of acquisition. Instead of designing and testing the system first, including its software, the Pentagon is pressing ahead with building the estimated $2.4 billion satellite array before it completes flight tests meant to help determine the final design. In fact, according to the GAO, five of six fundamental elements, including the infrared sensors themselves, may very well not be ready by the anticipated deployment window
.
All Bush has done is triple the risk of failure with his 3 platform scheme none of which has proven core technology.
Ass backwards procurement and a waste of billions to defense a phantasm
Yeah, what's a dead child or two, especially if you can use their stem cells for research?
Maybe a parallel can be drawn with Bush and Putin. The latter first made his way up the KGB hierarchy and then switched to politics where he made it to the top in the byzantine court of Yeltsin. He's a wily operator, compared to whom Bush is no more than a country hick who has had his career served on a silver platter.
Hayseed is a Moronic Affectation. In 1978, he lost a race for congress in Midland. He blamed the hick vote and his big city sissified ways.
|Vowing "never again to lose to a Bubba with a gun rack in his pickup", he put on that southern accent (listen carefully its not Texas, more high class Mississippi or perhaps East Tennessee), Tony Lama Texas Shit Kickers, and bought a couple of those Texas White Trash Big Silver Beltbuckles.
Faux White Trash Moron's boyz are busily hedging, hemming, hawing, tryin to slip and slide their way out of the Putin Deal their Leader stumbled into.
But all the kings horsies....
But I have had an idea on how to calculate them.
Lincoln promised one way tickets to Nicaragua or Liberia, 40 acres and a mule to all freed slaves.
Restitution not reparation
....put the parties in the same place that they would have been had Lincoln performed.
WASHINGTON -- Congressional efforts to combat global warming received an unexpected boost from a decision this week by more than 180 countries to deal with the problem without the United States, outside experts and key lawmakers said Tuesday.
They added that prospects now appear good that Congress will pass one or more measures designed to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, which scientists say is the chief contributor to global warming.
"The odds are improving that this Congress will deal with the issue before the [2002] election," said Rep. Sherwood L. Boehlert (R-N.Y.), a leading environmentalist in his party.
hehe
Is there a difference? In political savoir-faire I mean.
false... no one is sure.
The chief contributors are water vapor and methane. The fact that supporters of Kyoto keep falling back on the argument that it's CO2, when so much evidence shows that CO2 probably isn't the most important, makes me question such rabid support of the treaty even more.
Science should be concentrating on our actualantropogenic influence on global climate.
So that's not what science does, you mean? How odd.
There are 2 problems I see. There are biased scientists, and there are politicians(and public) that is hungry for anything that can be encapsulated in a short, sweat theory. They don't want to do any hard thinking for themselves... just cut to the chase.
Who can blame some scientists for giving them what they ask for...or more importantly what they _pay_ for. When a scientist falls back on their mealy-mouthed double-speak where they qualify everything with "may", or "evidience suggests"... is because it's rare you find an overwhelming truth.
In the past there have been woefully few. Eistein's theory, and Maxwell's equations maybe.
The main reason I have such a low opinion of politicians capacity to understand scientific literature, is because of the diffuculty I have in understanding it (particularly outside my discipline), and I'm a PhD student.
So you can be down on the US for not having an open mind about CO2 and global warming if you like, but just because some population of experts who happen to have politicians ears right now insists that they're right... doesn't mean they're right.
Highly ironic coming from one who endorsed the suppposed 'co-presiduncy' of the WH Rapist.
But considering which side of the political spectrum is responsible for this piffle, about what would be expected.
Carry on.
How transparent.
And hypocritical.
This should be the global warming litmus test.
Most of those who speak in favor of Kyoto have obvious political agendas and if with any post graduate qualifications, usually have obtained those in the humanities.
I hope all you hard core Democrat faithful hang on to that vintage WWII-era attitude about missile defense until the last dog dies as your position sinks into obvious and total irrelevancy.
Eventually he started complaining that his department was making him take freshman biology. He didn't think it was necessary.
He was very loud... seemed very authoritative... and had everyones' ear... but he was full of shit.
I never really identified myself as a forester/ecologist student because there was no telling what he as a proponent of violence would've done... and maybe I just didn't feel like spending the evening shooting down his dogmatic ideals... he seemed like a waste of effort.
Of course the most ecologically responsible course of action is for one to 'off' himself, preferably by hanging with an all natural hemp rope in a pile of manure.
This was satire, from I believe, a magazine called the National Lampoon, but not all that far removed from the attitude of the more militant earth-firsters, it would seem, with the exception that they prefer that the other guy off himself.
Are you sure you aren't jexter's evil twin?
I've been pondering the articles you cited, particularly the Roy Spencer article. It made me remember the GCM that I built as part of a mathematical modeling course I took with Dr. Richard McNider.
Prof. McNider was, like you, skeptical about global climate models and pointed out to us that they tend to be very sensitive to changes in estimates of the Earth's albedo--at the time a poorly understood variable.
So, I too am skeptical about global warming specifically, and of eco-alarmism in general.
Still, I think it is important to understand that Spencer's article is actually a conjecture--a reasonable hypothesis, perhaps--but not evidence in and of itself. Spencer's testimony does not disprove global warming--indeed nothing in the article denies global warming--it just serves to cast a shadow of doubt on the accuracy of existing climate models. Spencer's argument rests on three points: 1) existing climate models fail to account adequately for atmospheric convection of water vapor, 2) this failure introduces a bias towards higher estimates of global warming, and 3) as models improve in this respect, estimates will be revised downward.
These points, particularly 2 & 3, are supported only partially by the cited research. Indeed, Spencer's points 2 and 3 rest upon two facts (rainfall efficiency increases with temperature, high rainfall efficiency leads to faster heat transfer from the surface to the upper atmosphere) that are supported (at least in the article) only by annectdotal evidence or simply Spencer's intuition.
Also, there is no discussion about how much of an effect this purported bias might produce in GCMs; are these effects Spencer discusses potentially significant? It's not established.
Not quite. Jexster is my evil doppelganger.
1) It appears that self sufficient agricultural communities existed in parts of Greenland during the Medieval warm period. Nobody with serious credentials has suggested that global temperatures will soon reach that high an average.
OTOH, we have the IPCC, which is affiliated with the UN, whose overriding agenda makes their global climate prognostications more than suspect.
2) Oceanic levels varied between the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age by eight inches, corresponding to a change in average global temperatures of about 3 1/2 degrees Celsius.
3)During the peak of the last interglacial optimum, when global temperatures averaged some 2 1/2 degrees C warmer than they do today, the Sahara Desert disappeared for a period of several hundred years, to be replaced by a savanna, and the climate in Northern Europe was more temperate than it is today, belying the agitation about Gulf Stream disturbances due to glacial melting.
4) Estimates are that from a third to half the increased CO2 output due to human activities is being incorporated into biomass due to its fertilizing effect.
5) Due to increased levels of precipitation, the central ice sheets of both Greenland and Antarctica are becoming thicker. It hasn't yet been determined whether this wholly compensates for melting at their peripheries, but to gauge the total magnitude of the difference that might be expected over the next century, see 2) above.
Keep in mind also, that these observed changes in climate had much more time to express themselves than the few short decades that current predictions are allowed, so it would be reasonable to believe that such changes due to human activities will be significantly smaller than modeling predictions due to the elapsed time factor alone.
You're tipping your hand, boys.
More likely GWB looks in the mirror and thinks: 'Better me than a Vanderbilt Divinity School dropout without any post graduate qualifications."
My citation was as much to show that everyone doesn't agree as much as anything else. I'm taking a course in systems modelling this coming semester and really looking forward to it.
My level of understanding of models (especially talking to my landscape ecologist friends) is that you usually can not trust the predicted magnitude a model generates. In most cases models give you a good indication of the direction a system will go... but to trust their output as the absolute change would be irresponsible in the majority of cases.
I don't dispute that CO2 probably will affect global temperature... but is it the main thing?
I mean, if you want to reduce global pollution and make energy use on this planet more efficient... that is an admerable goal and something I definitely support... but if you're trying to accomplish these goals via the spector of global warming... then you don't have me.
I am not a scientist who believes the end justifies the means.
There are two forces that shape social change: government and knowledge. Government is very good at forcing social behavior/policy to achieve specific goals quickly... but it is a very linear force. Lots of social problems are moving targets. Knowledge affects society much more slowly... but it is much more accurate.
It is important to balance the forces of knowledge and government. The speed of government can be good, but many times it proves inflexible and misses the target. Aquiring knowledge, although able to deal with everchanging social goals, proves slow in times of crisis.
(cont)
Affirmative
action: Government took many necessary steps to try to guide our society to a more equitable treatment of gender and race. However, does that action actually open minds? I don't think it does. In fact, as government has gotten more and more aggressive with these policies we now are seeing backlash to these policies.
Still... I feel that the demographics of younger people tends to be one of more open-mindedness wrt minorities and gender.
...example 2: A quandry I recently involved myself in. Government identified stream water quality as an important goal of society. Many states implemented "best management practices" and subsidies to encourage farmers to install streamside management zones on their properties. All well and good.
However... A "new" concept (not actually new) in land management, temperate agroforestry, has been gaining attention in the research community in the past decade. Agroforestry has a lot of promise in improving productivity of our agricultural landscapes, improving the economic viability of small farmers, as well as sustaining and improving environmental quality.
In an agroforestry system, you would have streamside management zones to protect water quality, but you would also try to encorporate some sort of low impact management system which also provides economic benefit.
However, the government programs which promote streamside managemnt zones explicitly forbid these SMZ's be used for production purposs. If you do you don't get the matching funds. Why? If you can develop a system which produces products for some sort of economic benefit to the landowner, while still functioning to protect water quality... why wouldn't you encourage that. Surely if you could convince farmers that you are doing more than just taking their land out of production you would get more of them to buy into these stream management systems.
That is the inherent problem with government explicitly guiding policy.
Policywise it can get you from point A to point B very quickly... but it is very difficult to adjust if your goals change because of new information or new technology.
Think of all the ineffective gun laws for instance. The ones that were supposed to put a stop to crime once and for all. Do the recind any of those laws once shown that they don't work? Nope.
Thus, I find myself very resistant to giving governments a clear path to new policy/laws. Each law past is an incremental decrease in freedom. I'm not so libertarian that I don't recognize the need for a certain ammount of government. There are some things that wouldn't happen unless they were facilitated by goverment.
Anyway... I potificate enough for now.
Pardon:
All this is merely in response to all the banter about global warming today in this thread... all claiming that Bush/US are fools to ignore all this scientific evidence.
I started off by challanging that the scientific evidence they cite is political in origin. Then I cite references that show there is not universal agreement in the scientific community regarding global warming.
Tipping my hand indeed. If we took it to the slow thread would you even bother to read it?.. or would you be content to sit in here and continue to berade the U.S.'s stance on Kyoto?
'Keel Bush'
Tipping the winning hand perhaps.
How would someone argue against the Kyoto treaty, if the supporters are using the scientific evidence that says it's happening as their primary argument? You flog the US and Bush saying that we're ignoring this "obvious" problem. Then when an kyoto detractor brings up scientific evidence that doesn't support its claim, science is suddenly not germaine to the discussion.
Please; the truth of the matter it's all about politics. Within the scientific community, and throughout the world.
I'm all for lowering our pollution emmisions... I want the US to become more energy efficient. But we shouldn't do the right things for the wrong reasons. Once people find out that we messed up, government policy loses yet more of its already waivering credibility.
Don't we remember the fable of Chicken Little?
my favorite thing about it is the 'do as i say or i'll sick some new laws on ya' angle. very classy.
Why not just arrest the assholes who cause problems? Fine the crap out of them. Ban them from the airline.
What is it with reactionary, heavy-handed goverment and the wholesale taking of freedom in order to quell some insignificant problem.
So too, ideological CYA flowing from 1600 Penn Ave in great abundance.
God Save King Moron I, Savior of Kyoto!
"Equal footing with Bush" talk about the soft prejudice of low expectations!
Gray Davis Generating Power Image
Washington seems to be stuck in the summer rerun from hell - H. Kurtz 7/25/01
Close enuf for guvmit work.
Lieberman-Feinstein.
Industry is also not the only source of 'junk' out there.
To Our Brave Men and Women in Uniform, Don't Worry Help is on the Way!
I think its time for a little fuzzy math!
NMD - 100 million bucks/shot x 12 shots/yr = 1.2 Billion for starters.
"I don't think he's doing enough to sensitize the American people as to what the real needs of the military are," Mr. Weldon said of President Bush. "We knew the train wreck was coming for the last six years."
"train wreck" - that's a metaphor I think I can play with for a while
All aboard!
Ain't hard!
Don't Need No Ticket Ya Get On Board...
No Defense - Kagan & Kristol
Gee now haven't I heard that somewhere b4?
Leavin On the Midnite Train to Georgia!
I worry more about how many drinks someone's had before they pick up their rental car.
A favorite of Sixty Minutes and Nightline not to mention flight attendants.
But I prefer that FU get drunk...easier to lay that way
You appear ready for the advanced course....
GWB Art: over 750 images of ridicule, mockery and fun...
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
The Number of the Beast
Heh!
Among those of us who have drunk too much and quit, there is a bond like that among soldiers or mothers or anyone who has been forced by the passion for survival to face elemental truths. We recognize each other by the habits we acquired in the trenches and on the road home: the way a soldier lights a cigarette, the way a mother ties a child's shoe, the way a reformed drunk pauses before speaking, to let the bad thoughts pass in silence.
And so it is that I see in President Bush not just a tongue-tied conservative scion of empire, bereft of eloquence, stumbling in the suit jacket of his father, but a drinker much like myself who one day awoke and saw that he was drowning and started swimming for his life, and got lucky and made it to shore.
And if our president were like the many drunks who have quit through the good offices of one program of recovery or another, he might on Saturday be stepping onto the shallow plywood stage of a large, well-lit basement off the serving kitchen of a downtown church in some honest if unexceptional American city and looking out at the motley American faces linked not by class or race or gender but only by their peculiar boozy habit and saying to them, "My name is George, I'm an alcoholic, and today I have 15 years." Because it was on July 28, 1986, that Bush woke up with his last soul-devouring hangover and decided he'd had enough. And if we are to believe him, and I for one see no reason not to, he hasn't had a drop since.
Good story....
Reuters is claiming "US to Keep Pressure on Iraq After Spy Plane Incident-Bush".
Now I HEARD what he said on CNN and he didn't day he was going to pressure Iraq.
What The All Highest Moronicy said was, he was going to keep up the pressure on EyeRack.
And to top it off (unless its a lie a first as far as I can remember), KM I's Air Force leaked to CNN that they are under orders to bomb EyeRacki radar. And not just any radar. The sources were quoted as saying that a particular type of radar would be bombed.
I'm in that camp.
Guess what, people have been drinking on planes for years. I'll bet drinking is down, not up. If air rage is up, look for the factors that are up, not down or flat.
Dan also continued the program's series on how Bush's FERC makes secret deals with Bush's Texas Mafia to pork Californians.
Its betta on CBS!
Contact: Howard Gantman or Jim Hock
http://feinstein.senate.gov
Wednesday, July 25, 2001
Senators Feinstein and Hatch Introduce Bipartisan Measure to Fight Gang Violence
Washington, DC - U.S. Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Orrin Hatch
(R-UT) today introduced legislation to combat gang violence by increasing the
penalties for the most serious gang crimes and by making it a federal crime to
recruit persons to join a criminal street gang and to use a minor to commit a
violent federal crime.
"I believe the federal government must be an active partner in the fight
against gang violence," Senator Feinstein said. "That is why I introduced the
Criminal Gang Abatement Act, legislation aimed specifically at the most
dangerous, sophisticated, and mobile gangs in the country."
Despite the recent drop in crime, a 2001 Justice Department gang study found
that youth gang problems grew dramatically between the 1970s and 1998. The
study found that since 1980:
The number of gangs has increased from 2,000 to 26,000;
The number of gang members has increased from 100,000 to 840,000;
The gang problem has spread to all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
Contact: Howard Gantman or Jim Hock
http://feinstein.senate.gov
Thursday, July 26, 2001
Controlling the Proliferation of Small Arms and Light Weapons
Washington, DC - With the United States having blocked more direct action by
a U.N. Conference on the Illegal Trafficking in Small Arms, Senator Dianne
Feinstein (D-Calif.) today called for continued international action to address
the dramatic proliferation of these weapons and for the United States to take a
leadership position in these efforts.
The following are Senator Feinstein's remarks to the Senate, entered into
the Congressional Record:
"Mr. President, last week I came to the floor to express my concern about
U.S. policy at the U.N. Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light
Weapons in All Its Aspects. This was the first effort by the international
community to address the issue of the illicit proliferation of small arms and
light weapons at the United Nations. I believed it was imperative that the
United States take a leadership role in the conference rather than being an
impediment to progress.
Bush Becoming Irrelevant
I'm not sure, actually, that denying those drinks wouldn't cause more nerves to snap.
There are angry bad drunks (truth or dare...fill in the __________)
BTW:
"... the Association of Flight Attendants [...] wants airlines to [...] never us[e] free drinks as compensation for delays or cancellations."
A 75-minute flight I took a few weeks ago was delayed by over 2 hours, due to what the airline admitted was a mechanical problem (i.e., its own fault). No compensation whatsoever was offered. So I chewed out a coupla flight attendants; were I a violent person, I might've punched someone's lights out.
Any frigging token of compensation would've taken the edge off -- and what better way is there than a free drink, even setting aside the sedative effects? They sell 'em for $4, but I doubt the airline is actually out more than 50 cents, if even that. How much more cost-effective can you get?
That'll teach those flight attendants to neglect their airplane-maintenance duties.
Hey, Geddy, I don't think the Wiz steals his cartoons from rushlimbaugh.com.
I think straight men should not be allowed to drink on airplanes
At this point, I would think the best strategy would be to parade before the cameras as many former Condit-lovers as possible, thus demonstrating that the vast majority of women who have slept with Our Boy are still alive and kicking.
I still have a copy of that post-ValuJet "Damn. The stewardess worked ALL MORNING on that engine!" cartoon, somewhere.
But I think you know what I meant.
To those who claim to prefer that their President have common sense instead of intellectual acumen, I give you King Moron I of Texas.
order yours today!
Yet a year after Camp David, with the reality on the ground so transformed by bloodshed, most of those who took part in or observed the negotiations still believe that a permanent peace agreement is possible.
Although they acknowledge little likelihood of final-status talks under Mr. Sharon, they still believe in the inevitability of a future agreement that is very near to what they were designing.
"Even at this darkest of hours, I believe that peace is achievable," Mr. Erekat said in an interview in his Jericho office. "Clinton took us on a futuristic voyage. We have seen the endgame. It's just a matter of time."
Mr. Sher agreed. "I still think that peace is doable, feasible and reasonable," he said in his Jerusalem office, which is decorated with photographs from Camp David. "That's the tragedy, because the basis of the agreement is lying there in arm's reach."
Thank you William Jefferson Clinton, Not "former president" but the Last President of the United States!
Hey Mister Impostor Conductor?
Of course I know. You vented on some hapless flight attendants for something that they had absolutely no control over.
Thanks for helping make the world a better place.
They were there in their capacity as official customer-service representatives of a company that had just treated me (and 100+ other customers) like crap.
And the more said customers bitch about such treatment --e.g., threaten to never use that company's services again (which I did), and actually stick to that (which I probably will) -- the more likely the message is to filter up to the folks in charge, and prompt them to improve their policies.
Which, indeed, does help make the world a better place. So, you're quite welcome.
So much for Clintonomics.
Speaking of which, 2 months ago refiners were making $27/barrel profit and Krusty was klownin around talkin about how we needed a new refinery on every street corner.
NOW with gas consumption the highest its ever been, refiners are awash in gasoline and cutting back production often as much as 20-30%. They are also scaling back investment and will soon be cutting jobs.
Now go yap about the wonders of private enterprise and the ham-handedness of guvmint to some one dumb enuf to believe it!
House Boinks Bush Again: Upholds Clinton Arsenic Regs - Set to Drill King Moron I on ANWR Next Week
Don't need no ticket you just get on board!
In a recent survey that 48 percent of voters said they would be more comfortable with Clinton as president, compared with 36 percent for Bush.
CNN
Greenfield at Large
Monday July 30
Is King Moron I About to Make the US the Next Rogue State?
A local news radio announcer referred today about the 'worry in the stock market about the 18% decline in the NASDAQ this year'.
Shouldn't he have been honest and referred to the over 50% decline in the NASDAQ between March 2000 and January 20th, 2001, when GWB took office? The decline, incidentally, covered about half of the 18% that was mentioned.
Such media bullshit.
Bush plans 'space bomber'
The United States is exploring the development of a 'space-bomber' which could destroy targets on the other side of the world within 30 minutes.
As part of a weapons modernisation strategy personally directed by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the Pentagon is drawing up plans for a 'sub-orbital vehicle' launched like a spacecraft, which Rumsfeld describes as 'valuable for conducting rapid global strikes'. The craft - which would set the scene for a new generation of stratospheric warfare - would be able to drop precision bombs from a height of 60 miles, flying at 15 times the speed and 10 times the height of America's current bomber fleet. It is unclear whether it would be manned.
The new plane could be developed quickly by adapting shelved research for Ronald Reagan's 'Star Wars' together with plans for a reu