ABA on Pickering: "Well Qualified"
concerned on Kennedy, Biden & Leahy: "Not worth shit and proving it every day."
30076. Wombat - 3/14/2002 4:39:28 PM
Concerned:
Please elucidate.
30077. concerned - 3/14/2002 4:42:24 PM
Chappaquiddick, public drunkenness, plagiarism.
'Course, by Lefties, those would be considered positive attributes.
30078. concerned - 3/14/2002 5:02:41 PM
Plus, I understand Boozehound Kennedy has named a pet dog 'Splash' in honor of Mary Jo Kopechne.
What a caring individual.
30079. wonkers2 - 3/14/2002 5:55:23 PM
30080. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:26:30 PM
Oh Canada! Oh Trade War!
J. Chretien (another world leader whose name was unknown to Bush until recently) is visiting King BubbleHead trying to convince the idiot usurper not to impose lumber tariffs.
Fat chance. If steel deserves protection for no real reason, surely lumber does for subsidies.
Stay tuned for more "Ttales from the Krony Kapitalis Krypt"!
30081. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:27:22 PM
Why Pickering?
Who cares!
Countdown to White Robed Martyrdom.
30082. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:30:12 PM
Royal Courtier and hanger on, the Prez of Stratfor predicts another failed Zinni mission.
World leader my ass.
30083. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:38:59 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) faced his first defeat on a judicial nomination on Thursday as Senate Democrats prepared to send him a message to offer moderates as judges for the federal courts (or get his monkey ass handed to him again!).
30084. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:40:15 PM
Its official...
Pickering Pickled.
30085. concerned - 3/14/2002 6:42:05 PM
Lefties doing what they do best - railroading qualified candidates. They should be ashamed of themselves.
30086. concerned - 3/14/2002 6:42:38 PM
Recess appointment time for Pickering? Heh...heh...heh...
30087. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:49:11 PM
30088. concerned - 3/14/2002 6:50:19 PM
The 'Rats have just shown us all that they never meant a word of anything they ever had to say about 'most qualified candidates' for anything.
Here GWB gave them a supremely qualified appellate court nominee who was also a bona fide civil rights pioneer and the 'Rat Senate Judiciary Panel Members unanimously spit in the face of America because, in their hate and hypocrisy, they wouldn't permit a full Senate vote.
As Bush put it:"By failing to allow full Senate votes on judicial nominees, a few senators are standing in the way of justice."
30089. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:55:34 PM
He also said something about Democracy.
Payback time!
30090. jexster - 3/14/2002 6:56:26 PM
No recess appointment....loyalty, I thought that was a GWB strong suit....
So did Ken Lay.
30091. concerned - 3/14/2002 7:00:20 PM
Ken Lay got exactly what he was owed from the Bush Administration.....nothing.
30092. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:01:24 PM
You haven't paid a PG&E bill lately.
30093. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:03:29 PM
The Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee voted along party lines Thursday to kill the nomination of Judge Charles Pickering to the appeals court, handing President Bush a stinging defeat in a racially-charged confirmation battle.
In a series of roll calls, the panel also snubbed Bush's request to allow a vote in the full Senate on Pickering, a 64-year-old Mississippian with more than a decade on the bench.
Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
That was TED Kennedy - "One of our greatest Americans (GWB)"
30094. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:04:08 PM
Send some moderates MonkeyMan or we'll send you your ass
30095. judithathome - 3/14/2002 7:04:53 PM
From Wonkers link upthread:
The Bush administration ideologues who are trying to impose Pickering on the country know they have neither a mandate from the public nor an appetite in Congress for repealing the social progress of the past 50 years. But they know they can do it through the federal courts if they can get enough like-minded judges and, eventually, Supreme Court justices, in office.
30096. concerned - 3/14/2002 7:05:29 PM
Chappaquiddick Booze Boy doesn't have the moral or professional stature to offer a serious comment on Pickering.
30097. concerned - 3/14/2002 7:06:20 PM
30095:
You should be ashamed for supporting the suppression of a full Senate vote on Pickering.
30098. judithathome - 3/14/2002 7:09:03 PM
But evidently he did it because he CAN, concerned.
30099. concerned - 3/14/2002 7:09:52 PM
The old 'might makes right' argument. How typical from the Left.
30100. concerned - 3/14/2002 7:10:54 PM
The 'Rats have added one more item to their list of shame by denying the Senate its role of advise and consent today.
30101. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:12:22 PM
And the president, awarding Kennedy the Texan's ultimate accolade, said, "Mr. Senator, you are not only a good senator. You are a good man."
30102. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:14:20 PM
The old 'might makes right' argument...
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the chimp
30103. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:15:01 PM
on second thought, keep the sauce away from GWB, he is our WarLord and Savior!
30104. jexster - 3/14/2002 7:35:53 PM
Bush - Government from a Bunker
RALPH NEAS on X-fire!
30105. Jexster - 3/14/2002 9:34:31 PM
First But Not the Last
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) sustained his first defeat on a judicial nomination on Thursday when the Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), split along party lines, rejected his bid to elevate a conservative Mississippi judge to a federal appeals court.
Photos
Reuters Photo
On three successive 10-9 votes, the Democratic-led panel refused to send to the full Senate for consideration the nomination of Charles Pickering, contending he could not be trusted on civil rights and has repeatedly put his own views above the law.
Sounds like he would make an excellent Supreme Court Justice!
30106. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:16:45 AM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Lawmakers from both parties blistered the Bush administration on Thursday for "a severe attitude problem" in its dealings with Congress, threatening to withhold requested funds because of Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge's refusal to testify on Capitol Hill.
30107. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:22:10 AM
71 in Poli Sci
The president is requesting $38 billion for homeland security in fiscal year 2003, yet the director of homeland security will not appear before us," said Oklahoma Republican Rep. Ernest Istook, who heads the Appropriations subcommittee that controls the White House budget.
"I hope that the lack of necessary information does not compel us to withhold funds for the priorities established by the president," he added. Obey was even more direct, warning: "No information, no money."
No tikee no laundry you arrogant moronic asswipe!
Any more Gorby quotes there Cyg?
30108. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:29:33 AM
"I sense you and other Cabinet members feel you could get about the people's business better if it wasn't for the small-minded and inconsequential rabble on Capitol Hill that you have to deal with," Obey told Daniels.
In response, Daniels said that while he now hoped to mend fences with Congress on the earmarking question and it might be time "to let this subject go," lawmakers also would have to accept that times have changed since the Sept. 11 attacks
30109. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:32:02 AM
Oh I guess we lost Article 1 of the Constitution on that 9/11 Trifecta bet or did we lose it when the Supreme Court told us our votes didn't count for even a little Bush Shit!
30110. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:35:03 AM
30111. Property of Jesus - 3/15/2002 8:06:56 AM
Virginia-born and bred Tipper Gore wants to be the next senator from Tennessee.
Heavy.
30112. Property of Jesus - 3/15/2002 8:09:35 AM
Another case of Hillary-envy?
30113. judithathome - 3/15/2002 8:58:23 AM
Naw....Doleitis.
30114. Property of Jesus - 3/15/2002 9:18:36 AM
I wouldn't compare Eliz Dole to Tipper Gore. Mrs. Dole is an attorney, been a Cabinet Official in the Reagan White House and headed the Red Cross, before it became politically correct.
Tipper's claim to fame is that she is the wife of the father of the internet, brags that him being good in bed, has problem kids, takes lots of interesting photographs and pops downers to deal with her rx depression.
And, of course, hates Hillary Clinton, for all the right reasons.
30115. judithathome - 3/15/2002 9:23:14 AM
Who cares why Tipper Gore wants to be Senator? Only people like you who will do nothing to help but love to denigrate those who try to make a difference.
30116. wonkers2 - 3/15/2002 9:26:10 AM
30117. Property of Jesus - 3/15/2002 9:29:17 AM
30118. judithathome - 3/15/2002 9:45:13 AM
Wonkers, thanks for that link...I e-mailed a copy of that article to my husband who is the only Democrat in his office. He's asked for help! ;-)
30119. wonkers2 - 3/15/2002 9:46:10 AM
Thanks for the link to a great quote by Robert Kuttner! I'm surprised you are such a fan. John Podorhetz is a chip off the old asshole, Norman.
30120. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:11:04 AM
Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., the White House budget director, was wandering the halls of the Rayburn House Office Building yesterday morning, on his way to an appearance before grim-faced members of the House Appropriations Committee, when he felt moved to quote Winston Churchill.
"You can draw a crowd to a speech, but you sell more tickets to a public hanging," he joked.
No noose was waiting for Daniels, but House members with well-thumbed copies of the Constitution were
The Constitution? What's that?
30121. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:12:13 AM
30122. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:13:46 AM
Of course we all know that "father of the internet" was a load of crap from an RNC press release, the beginning of the end of democracy in the US
30123. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:30:43 AM
ASHINGTON, March 14 ? Senator Tom Daschle, the majority leader, today renewed Congressional demands for testimony by Tom Ridge, director of homeland security, and House Republicans joined him in dismissing President Bush's argument that Mr. Ridge, as a presidential adviser, need not appear.
Mr. Daschle disputed Mr. Bush's assertion at a news conference on Wednesday that Mr. Ridge could not be compelled to appear.
"Mr. Ridge has far more than an advisory job," the senator said. "His job is to administer the entire homeland security operation."
At a House appropriations subcommittee hearing, Representative Ernest Istook, Republican of Oklahoma, listed Mr. Ridge's executive functions, including protecting transportation and food supplies and coordinating border security and responses to terrorist threats. Those functions required accountability to Congress, Mr. Istook said, and "to deny the testimony of the director of homeland security is to deny the Congress its constitutional role."
Dasshole - Traitor
Doesn't that little 'rat man know the penalty for lese majeste in this country?
30124. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:33:14 AM
30125. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:40:35 AM
"War without end is likely to have ? indeed is already having ? profound consequences for the American constitutional system. It tends to produce the very thing that the framers of the Constitution most feared: concentrated, unaccountable political power."
Taking Our Liberties
30126. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:46:34 AM
: The Times recently had an eye-opening article confirming something I had been hearing myself, that oil companies are not behind the push for drilling there ? indeed, they are notably unexcited by the prospect. Studies by the U.S. Geological Survey suggest why: Arctic oil is so expensive to get at that it's barely worth extracting at current market prices. For energy companies it's the rest of the Bush energy plan, which would give them about $35 billion in tax breaks and subsidies, that really matters.
But then why are the Bush administration and its allies so vehement about ANWR? Pay no attention to rhetoric about national security; the Kerry-McCain proposal would save about three times as much oil per year as ANWR would deliver even in its brief period of peak production.
The real reason conservatives want to drill in ANWR is the same reason they want to keep snowmobiles roaring through Yellowstone: sheer symbolism. Forcing rangers to wear respirators won't make much difference to snowmobile sales ? but it makes the tree-huggers furious, and that's what's appealing about it. The same is true about Arctic drilling; as one very moderate environmentalist told me, the reason the Bush administration pursues high-profile anti-environmental policies is not that they please special interests but that they are "red meat for the right." (The real special-interest payoffs come via less showy policies, like the way the administration is undermining enforcement of the Clean Air Act.)
ANWR: Krugman Steals Jexster's Material Again
30127. concerned - 3/15/2002 11:53:54 AM
Re. 30123 -
I think Daschole went well beyond the bounds of reality when he accused Ridge of being responsible for the INS recently issuing student visas for two of the 9/11 terrorists.
30128. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:58:03 AM
He IS the Royal Homeland security chief...
Where DOES the buck stop in this Regency anyway?
30129. concerned - 3/15/2002 12:28:15 PM
I believe Ashcroft has ordered an investigation into the matter, if that's what you're asking.
30130. concerned - 3/15/2002 12:29:00 PM
But details such as that that are too subtle for the likes of Daschole.
30131. jexster - 3/15/2002 12:36:32 PM
Bush Loves Poindexter BECAUSE He Lied to Congress
On 2-25-02, Helen Thomas asked Ari about Poindexter.
"Q Ari, why would this administration choose a man for couterterrorism who is so associated with the dark side of the Iran Contra scandal, Admiral Poindexter? ...
ARI: Let me just say about Admiral Poindexter, Admiral Poindexter is somebody who this administration thinks is an outstanding American and an outstanding citizen who has done a very good job in what he has done for our country, serving in the military.
Q How can you say that, when he told Colonel North to lie?
ARI: Helen, I think your views on Iran Contra are well-known, but the President does believe that Admiral Poindexter served --
Q It isn't my view, this is the prosecutor for the United States.
ARI: I understand. The President thinks that Admiral Poinndexter has served our nation very well.
Q Really?
MR. FLEISCHER: That's the President's thoughts.
Q Do you know his record?
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm sure you will inform me.
Q I don't have to, all you have to do is look it up." - Source - The White Palace Press Office
30132. jexster - 3/15/2002 12:38:14 PM
Details such as that are EXACTLY what Dasshole and Congress and the people want to hear...
The contempt for Congress and the Constitution shown by Bush/Cheney...
we've not seen the likes of this since Nixon's Imperial Presidency
The arrogance of power....
30133. jexster - 3/15/2002 12:41:13 PM
"Has anyone else following the aftermath of Sept. 11 been struck by the similarity to George Orwell's '1984' - in which a never-ending, faraway war against ever-changing enemies serves as a rationale for political and social repression? In the past five months numerous Americans, and not a few Europeans, have not dared speak their minds, and many more have not dared to think things through to a point at which the urge to speak one's mind becomes unbearable. There was no genuine war after Sept. 11 - there could not have been. And no country, not even one as powerful as the US after it lost the Soviet Union as its only rival, can hijack such an important concept as war without in the long run bringing disaster upon itself. Orwell, that great beacon of political common sense in the 20th century, educated at least two generations of reasonable observers of political reality in the danger of misusing words in this way."
War Without End. Amen. [Minneapolis Star Trib]
30134. concerned - 3/15/2002 12:46:39 PM
Details such as that are EXACTLY what Dasshole and Congress and the people want to hear...
Oh, stop prevaricating, jexster. This information is on the wire services all over the internet. Even an ignorant monkey such as Daschole doesn't need a congressional hearing to find the nose on his face. He just wants to shower us with his contempt for the intelligence of Americans by preening from his partisan soapbox.
30135. concerned - 3/15/2002 12:48:37 PM
After all, who but diehard 'Rat partisans give a shit when Daschole parades his self professed ignorance and stupidity?
30136. jexster - 3/15/2002 12:49:43 PM
We'd like to know how the King fucked this one up TD...and not only Dasshole but it seems quite a few House Republicans too!
The King can do no wrong. Lese majeste as I said.
30137. jexster - 3/15/2002 12:51:32 PM
And other shit the King of Krony Kapital is trying to pull amidst the fog of war without end
According to Hugh Kaufman, an in-house watchdog and longtime EPA critic, Christie Whitman is letting her family's financial ties to Citigroup influence EPA decisions.
"Kaufman said Whitman falsely assured New Yorkers that the air around the World Trade Center was safe in the days after the structures were leveled by the Sept. 11 attacks. That, he said, saved Travelers Insurance -- owned by Citigroup -- millions of dollars. And he said Whitman tried to dissolve the EPA national ombudsman's office, wheree he works, so it wouldn't interfere with a court settlement with Citigroup about Shattuck."
Whitman's husband worked for Citigroup and still owns stock in the company. The probe is being conducted by the Justice Department, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Enron.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,53%7E454506,00.html>Denver Post
30138. jexster - 3/15/2002 12:53:44 PM
Martha Hahn, a 21-year veteran of the Bureau of Land Management, was considered a moderate who strived for balance between conservation and private interests. But Hahn was not nearly rightwing enough for Gail Norton, Bush, or Sen. Larry Craig, who has muscled into the BLM and is now trying to run it like his own personal pork barrel, dispensing choice slabs of Idaho's natural resource bacon to his buddies in the mining, ranching, and off-road vehicle industries.
Now Hahn has been forced out of the BLM - USA Today
30139. concerned - 3/15/2002 12:56:04 PM
Re. 30136 -
Well, you'll never reveal the truth by asking the wrong questions, which always somehow seem to reveal your very personal animus toward the Bush administration, jexster.
30140. jexster - 3/15/2002 1:00:24 PM
Its the right to ask questions that's in issue here.
Whether you or our King LIKE the questions is wholly immaterial.
and its clear that a pattern is developing from Chenron to Ridge if the Bushies don't like the questions we don't get any answers.
To paraphrase "Its something you have to get used to since 9-1-1"
What do you expect from an Adminstration whose very conception was anti-democratic?
30141. concerned - 3/15/2002 1:05:04 PM
jexster -
You certainly have the right to ask any question which enters your mind, and from my viewpoint, the more idiotic it is, the more I encourage you to sound off.
30142. concerned - 3/15/2002 1:07:21 PM
The Clowntoon administration set the all time standard for unreponsiveness to questions by others, and the broadcast media was more than happy to oblige by slinking away from any difficult ones like curs.
30143. PelleNilsson - 3/15/2002 1:08:53 PM
jexster has an animus toward the Bush administration?
What an acute observation. You're sharp, concerned.
30144. concerned - 3/15/2002 1:16:40 PM
Re. 30143 -
Sometimes, the obvious needs to be reiterated. Particularly when engaging those from the sinister side of the political spectrum.
30145. wonkers2 - 3/15/2002 1:24:46 PM
Concerned, You are in a time warp. The Clinton administration is over. That's too bad because under Clinton-Gore we were at peace with the world, employment was full, the economy was growing, the budget was balanced, and we had plenty of entertainment on television. Luckily, we have to endure only a couple of more years of Bushdom.
30146. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:55:02 PM
Concerned misses his National Enquirer politics
30147. jexster - 3/15/2002 2:55:30 PM
J'accuse TD!
30148. jexster - 3/15/2002 6:32:29 PM
Deep Thoughts
(w/ apologies to Al Franken!)
"There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right."—Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002
Isn't great that Jake Weisberg has started up "Bushims" again?
Why you'd have sworn His Imbecility had that brain transplant - NOT
30149. ronski - 3/15/2002 6:44:35 PM
At peace with the world?
Yeah, I, too, miss the days of Clinton when there were absolutely no acts of terrorism directed against the U.S. or U.S. interests or citizens overseas, not one. I miss how no one even thought of attacking the World Trade Center in any way, shape or form until after Bush was inaugurated.
I miss the complete absence of hostilities in the Balkans, too.
30150. ronski - 3/15/2002 6:48:34 PM
(I'm feeling cranky again. I promised myself I wouldn't post when I get this way, which I've gotten a lot, lately. So I'll say goodbye.)
30151. jexster - 3/15/2002 6:51:10 PM
That's all right Ronsk....I am in a Deep Lenten mode myself..try it!
30152. jexster - 3/15/2002 6:54:08 PM
That's all right Ronsk....I am in a Deep Lenten mode myself..try it!
30153. jexster - 3/15/2002 6:55:36 PM
don't fight the deepness!
30154. jexster - 3/15/2002 9:25:51 PM
f you're not careful, you can squander an entire journalistic career swatting flies from the Wall Street Journal editorial page. But sometimes resistance to temptation is futile.
This article was an attack on Democrats for opposing President Bush's nomination of Charles W. Pickering for a seat on the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. (The Senate Judiciary Committee killed the nomination later that day, on a party-line vote.)
The author was Virginia Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, whose own famous confirmation ordeal has made him a martyr-saint of American conservatism. Thomas, as you will recall (or if not, his wife will help you), was pummeled so brutally by vicious gangs of Democrats and liberals—who accused him of being a right-wing ideologue with a closed mind about abortion rights, among other vicious lies—that he now lies comatose in the Supreme Court, able only to issue reliably right-wing opinions and vote against abortion rights.
30155. jexster - 3/15/2002 9:26:54 PM
Deep Thoughts of CT's Bitch - Kinsley
30156. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:12:20 PM
One of Kinsley's better efforts...
"Looking around the real world, it is especially hard to see this martyrdom that Clarence Thomas supposedly has suffered for the sin of holding views that the all-powerful hard left wants to suppress. He had a rough confirmation battle, but now he is a justice of the Supreme Court with a lifetime appointment, even though he clearly lied under oath—or at the very least willfully deceived—in claiming he had never discussed Roe v. Wade and had no opinion about it. He probably lied about more notorious matters, too. If he's in pain, it must only hurt when he laughs.
30157. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:14:31 PM
"I wouldn't compare Eliz Dole to Tipper Gore."
Neither would I.
Tipper would never crawl under Jesse Helms' wheel chair to kiss his filthy fat ass.
30158. Property of Jesus - 3/15/2002 11:31:59 PM
Thanks for the invite, Jex. My deep thoughts are mostly in 125-year-old Atlantic Online these days---where I am a star.
Being an intellectual et al, that's my home.
Plus, I get to start my own innovative threads like the fabulous Pretty Peggy-O (Noohan) one.
30159. jexster - 3/15/2002 11:43:22 PM
Really?
I didn't know that Atlantic had a site. Have to check it out.
Glad to hear you aren't spending time at FreeperLand
30160. Property of Jesus - 3/15/2002 11:47:26 PM
No, please stay here. Mote needs you, Jex.
30161. arkymalarky - 3/15/2002 11:58:47 PM
Hahahaha. I think Jex should check out your threads, PJ, in the interest of poetic justice.
30162. wonkers2 - 3/16/2002 10:00:21 AM
Too good for the Bush administration??
30163. Property of Jesus - 3/16/2002 10:09:42 AM
The steel dumping from other countries' state-owned industries had to stop, wonkers, so principles were forsaken.
30% isn't that much too pay to get them to wake up.
But, now this is interesting.
Clinton-asexual partner Eleanor Clift says that because of Pickering the GOP has won the PR battle over Congress and the picking of federal judges/Supreme court nominees.
Who would have thunk it?
30164. Property of Jesus - 3/16/2002 10:10:18 AM
The steel dumping from other countries' state-owned industries had to stop, wonkers, so principles were forsaken.
30% isn't that much too pay to get them to wake up.
But, now this is interesting.
Clinton-asexual partner Eleanor Clift says that because of Pickering the GOP has won the PR battle over Congress and the picking of federal judges/Supreme court nominees.
Who would have thunk it?
30165. wonkers2 - 3/16/2002 10:25:12 AM
Pretty good article. I missed the part about the GOP winning anything. Maybe I read it too fast.
30166. jexster - 3/16/2002 10:27:56 AM
WASHINGTON, March 15 — The partisan battle over judicial nominations intensified today as Senator Trent Lott, the minority leader, struck out at the Senate Judiciary Committee and moved to block an aide to Senator Tom Daschle, the majority leader, from filling a spot on the Federal Communications Commission.
Lott Throws a Hissy Fit
30167. jexster - 3/16/2002 10:33:44 AM
You are absolutley correct Wonk. There is NOTHING in the article even remotely suggesting a GOP victory.
Rosie got that from the headline (FYI headline writers write headlines)
Rosie is fighting the deepnesss.
Don't fight the deepness Rose. Read. It won't hurt you.
Repeat after me...
I am a flower in the garden of life
I will let my roots grow in the garden's warm soil
I will not fight the deepness.
30168. Cellar Door - 3/16/2002 10:50:33 AM
Rosie's having a whole mess of trouble over in the Atlantic Monthly forum, whose posters won't put up with his nonsense -- particularly his Peggy Noonan fixation.
30169. jexster - 3/16/2002 11:08:11 AM
I thought Rosie was widely hailed as a neocon intellectual...a veritable Andrew Sullivan in drag!
30170. jexster - 3/16/2002 11:08:30 AM
I thought Rosie was widely hailed as a neocon intellectual...a veritable Andrew Sullivan in drag!
30171. jexster - 3/16/2002 11:11:38 AM
As Bush deficits mount...
'We're Just Getting Clobbered': States' Budget Squeeze Takes Toll on Programs and People (Post, March 16, 2002)
Bush Pushes for Defense Funds: At Ft. Bragg, President Urges Quick Action on Pentagon Budget (By Mike Allen, Page A05)
War Without End. Amen.
30172. jexster - 3/16/2002 11:14:24 AM
WASHINGTON -- Cutting short a trip to California, Tipper Gore was scheduled to huddle with friends and family this weekend to discuss whether to run for the U.S. Senate from Tennessee, according to several sources who have spoken with her.
"Clearly, there are enough people making a convincing argument that she doesn't want to dismiss it out of hand," a Gore family intimate said Friday. "She wants the weekend. She knows she's got to move quickly."
Ron Brownstein
30173. jexster - 3/16/2002 11:18:54 AM
from Charlie Cook's "Off to the Races" written BEFORE the Tipper story...
Tennessee, like much of the rest of the South, tilts somewhat toward the GOP, but all is not well in the state for the party. Indeed, Republicans will have an uphill challenge this year in their efforts to hold onto the governorship, amid state financial problems that are much worse than in most states.
If the Senate race were simply a contest between two lawmakers, one from each party, it would be a pretty fair fight that would come down to the relative strengths and weaknesses of each candidate.
30174. jexster - 3/16/2002 12:16:43 PM
WASHINGTON, March 15 — Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill told a foreign policy group this week that he disagreed with the Bush administration's decision earlier this month to impose tariffs on imported steel and that the move would cost more jobs in the United States than it would save, people who heard him speak said today.
Dissension in Royal Court Mounting
30175. Property of Jesus - 3/16/2002 4:17:22 PM
It is too laugh.
Look at all those Democrat politicians in Chicago trying to get themselves into pictures with President Bush for St. Pat's Day Parade.
They're practically kissing his ring.
Be bop a lula...
30176. jexster - 3/16/2002 6:37:33 PM
GOP gubernatorial candidate Bill Simon Jr. has promised he will "change the topic" if asked about controversial issues like abortion in the coming campaign, but pro-choice activists defiantly signaled this week that he won't have an easy time of it.
"We're not going to let him," said Kate Michelman, the nation's leading abortion rights activist who heads NARAL
Be bop a lula...
[now she thinks she's Little Richard - St Elizabeth's Mental Hospital 2700 Martin Luther King Jr Ave Washington,
District of Columbia 20032. Telephone 202-562-4000}
30177. robertjayb - 3/16/2002 6:48:06 PM
Gene Vincent
30178. jexster - 3/16/2002 8:02:10 PM
I defer to age.
The older the fart, the deeper the thought.
30179. jexster - 3/16/2002 8:03:41 PM
An Anti-Alec Baldwin Strategy for Conservatives
Say what you will about Alec Baldwin -- "obnoxious" frequently comes to mind -- when it comes to politics he certainly doesn't hold anything back.
"I know that's a harsh thing to say, perhaps, but I believe that what happened in 2000 did as much damage to the pillars of democracy as terrorists did to the pillars of commerce in New York City," Baldwin told students at Florida A&M University recently, referring to the election recount fiasco.
Then -- really playing with fire -- he added: "When Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon spokespeople say to you, 'Well, this is going to be a long war, we're going to be in Afghanistan for the long haul,' what that euphemism means is that the moratorium on criticizing the government must be extended longer and longer and longer -- ideally, beyond the 2002 election."
30180. joezan - 3/16/2002 8:41:29 PM
Say what you will about Alec Baldwin -- "obnoxious" frequently comes to mind -- when it comes to politics he certainly doesn't hold anything back.
I really pity people who don't know the difference between not holding anything back, and not knowing when, why, or how to shut the fuck up.
Deep thoughts indeed.
30181. robertjayb - 3/16/2002 9:35:59 PM
dubya's Enron prequel: The Harken deal...
30182. jexster - 3/16/2002 9:36:23 PM
I agree. The idea that Bush wants war without end (amen!) is hardly deep.
Its obvious.
As for his comment about the December 2000 Terrorists....again more obvious than deep.
30183. jexster - 3/16/2002 9:38:33 PM
OOO boy..ABC News is showing that picture of Sadaam firing his shotgun overlaying narrative about the Saudis telling Cheney to lay off the heart medications...they're messing with his mind.
30184. Property of Jesus - 3/16/2002 9:42:33 PM
Tom Davis wrote most of it with Gene Vincent, who sang BE BOP A LULA, robert.
Jexster probably doesn't even know the song. I learned how to play it on the piano from an old John Lennon covers' album.
Sang it to all my kids when they were tiny.
Jexster know little about music. His favorite tune is: "Cisco Kid/was a friend of mine..."
30185. jexster - 3/16/2002 10:12:23 PM
now THAT's Deep!
30186. wonkers2 - 3/16/2002 11:29:32 PM
War without end or at least until the election.
30187. concerned - 3/17/2002 12:42:10 AM
Re. 30145 -
You brought him up, Wonkers. Your point, if any?
30188. concerned - 3/17/2002 12:45:47 AM
Ooops, I take that back, rereading what I posted yester. However, Wonkers, please explain the reasoning behind your inference that only Democrats are permitted to compare and contrast to prior administrations' behaviors.
Gotcha.
30189. concerned - 3/17/2002 12:47:35 AM
Re. 30185,6 -
One not familiar with the forum might think you two are Muslims.
30190. concerned - 3/17/2002 12:56:25 AM
Three decoys in latest NMD missile test success, making 4 out of 6
The objections to NMD just keep fading away.....
30191. concerned - 3/17/2002 1:06:53 AM
It will never work.
It will upset the USSR.
Republicans are bad.
30192. concerned - 3/17/2002 1:09:28 AM
Feel free to substitute 'Russia' for the 'USSR' if you prefer.
30193. concerned - 3/17/2002 1:12:11 AM
Who wants to bet that NMD will not be critical to the US's defense at some point in the future?
30194. concerned - 3/17/2002 2:04:05 AM
Wonkers - avert your eyes - what follows are the three x42 quotes excerpted from Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, which is about nothing but (gasp!) living in the past:
"I...didn't inhale"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky";
"it depends on what the meaning of the word `is' is."
Pretty fucking pathetic from somebody who was considered by some to amount to something at the podium.
30195. concerned - 3/17/2002 2:14:23 AM
Quibbling about the meaning of 'is' is about the furthest thing from a meaningful, let alone stirring quote that one could imagine. Yet, the fact that this is about the most notable thing that x42 has had to say in his entire career in politics highlights his limitations in a much more dramatic fashion than any quote of his could aspire to.
30196. jexster - 3/17/2002 4:05:51 AM
THE NATION
Ridge's Refusal to Testify Irks Lawmakers
Politics: Congress wants updates on homeland security. The White House has asserted Royal 'prerogative.'
"This is not minor," said Rep. Ernest J. Istook Jr. (R-Okla.). Istook, the chairman of the House panel that oversees funding for the White House, is usually a strong Bush backer, but homeland security policy "involves billions of taxpayer dollars. More importantly, it involves millions of lives."
30197. jexster - 3/17/2002 4:07:54 AM
TD..why That's the most deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right
30198. Property of Jesus - 3/17/2002 6:37:25 AM
Roger's attorney was smart to tell his client not to lie to the FBI.
Roger Clinton to FBI: I Collected Cash for Bill
30199. judithathome - 3/17/2002 10:33:44 AM
According to the FBI's witness summary of his statements, Roger Clinton did not say what happened to cash intended for the president beyond the "couple of occasions" where he was warned it could not be accepted.
Oh horrors....
30200. jexster - 3/17/2002 10:41:24 AM
Little Tommy D standin tall on Face the Nation..."I hope we don't have to subpoena the Royal Magistrate for Homeland Defence"
30201. jexster - 3/17/2002 10:44:17 AM
But sometimes, especially when dealing with imbeciles, you can't spare the rod.
The rejection of Judge Charles W. Pickering Sr. sent a message>
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30202. jexster - 3/17/2002 10:46:38 AM
"The Senate has never before allowed a vote on a district or appellate court nominee when the Judiciary Committee has failed to report out the nominee. I won't start now. I respect the Judiciary Committee."
So fuck you King "My-way-or-the-highway" Bush
30203. Cellar Door - 3/17/2002 10:49:56 AM
30204. jexster - 3/17/2002 11:14:55 AM
Simon - the best candidate to "undo four years of liberalism, homosexuality and anti- family values in California at the hands of Governor Gray Davis,"
30205. jexster - 3/17/2002 11:35:12 AM
"A warm and popular figure throughout the Clinton era, Mrs Gore was exuberant on the campaign trail. She liked to play drums at rallies, told audiences that her husband was ?sexy? and showed no discomfort when he returned the compliment with asphyxiating French kisses.
Recently, her loyalty has even stretched to saying she likes the bushy beard her husband has grown while in the political wilderness."
Time s of London Tipsy for Tipper
30206. arkymalarky - 3/17/2002 1:55:57 PM
Roger Clinton has always been scum and Clinton's smart enough not to deal too closely with him.
Concerned,
Don't forget to add to your collection of quotes "I am not a crook."
Oh yeah, that was another president's lie.
Which one's worse, the one above or the three you quote?
30207. jexster - 3/17/2002 2:11:56 PM
Deep Thoughts
"I don't have anthrax"
The Train Ride
In a train carriage there was Bill Clinton, George Bush, Janet Reno and Bo Derek. After several minutes of the trip, the train passes through a dark tunnel and the unmistakable sound of a slap is heard.
When they leave the tunnel, Clinton has a big red slap mark on his cheek.
(1) Bo Derek thought - "That sleazeball Clinton wanted to touch me and by mistake, he must have put his hand on Janet Reno, who in turn must have
slapped his face."
(2) Janet Reno thought - "That dirty Bill Clinton laid his hands on Bo Derek and she smacked him."
(3) Bill Clinton thought - "George put his hand on Bo Derek and by mistake she slapped me."
(4) George Bush thought - "I hope there's another tunnel soon so I can smack Clinton again."
30208. jexster - 3/17/2002 2:42:51 PM
Subpoena the Clown
Washington -- As the director of homeland security for President Bush, Tom Ridge oversees one of government's fastest growing sectors at a time of intense interest in bolstering public safety. Not surprisingly, Congress has been clamoring to quiz him
30209. jexster - 3/17/2002 3:33:41 PM
Well I registered at Altantic Monthly but
1. Which threads are JT's
and
2. How do I fuck them up (can't figure out how to post)
30210. jexster - 3/17/2002 3:38:32 PM
The steel dumping from other countries' state-owned industries had to stop, wonkers, so principles were forsaken
Which would be fine and dandy if it were true.
Facts:
1. There was no finding of DUMPING.
2. Bush's order was not based on DUMPING.
3. DUMPING wrecked the steel and other industries in the 1980's, Raygun refused to take action.
Don't resist the deepness Rosie
30211. jexster - 3/17/2002 3:43:25 PM
Hundreds of Thousands Fucked by Your Cronies is No Fuckin Joke King Klown
"We just got a message from Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)," President Bush (news - web sites) joked at a dinner last weekend, according to other attendees. "The good news is that he's willing to have his nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons counted. The bad news is he wants Arthur Andersen to do it."
30212. jexster - 3/17/2002 3:44:06 PM
Neither is Saddam.
What a god damned embarrassment!
30213. robertjayb - 3/17/2002 7:25:44 PM
Tipper says no...
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Tipper Gore, the wife of former Vice President Al Gore, said Sunday that after "serious consideration" she has decided not to run for a U.S. Senate seat in Tennessee.
"I have decided that it is not right for me, right now," she said in a statement.
Some Democratic officials in Tennessee were surprised late last week by the news that Mrs. Gore, who has never held political office, might run for the seat being vacated by retiring Republican Sen. Fred Thompson.
She canceled a weekend trip to California to return to Tennessee to discuss the possibility with family members and potential supporters.
30214. jexster - 3/17/2002 9:28:35 PM
"I have decided that it is not right for me, right now,"
All but admits that President Gore is going to make a re-election bid in 2004.
30215. joezan - 3/17/2002 9:31:50 PM
Neither is Saddam what?
30216. jexster - 3/17/2002 9:45:10 PM
JoeZ hat tieferen farts als tiefe Gedanken nie gehabt.
30217. jexster - 3/17/2002 9:52:46 PM
Saddam ist kein Witz aber Busch ein geistesschwaches ist.
30218. jexster - 3/17/2002 9:53:59 PM
Saddam ist kein Witz aber Busch ein geistesschwaches ist. Aber Saddam ist ein ausgezeichneter Jäger. Haben Sie daß ihn seine Schrottflinte gesehen schießt?
30219. jexster - 3/17/2002 9:55:36 PM
Farò niente in modo che non devo studiare per il mio test.
30220. Cellar Door - 3/17/2002 11:54:44 PM
What was that about Dubbya's popularity again?
30221. jexster - 3/18/2002 12:01:03 AM
Sein Gemüt ist schwächlich. Stimmen Sie Überein?
30222. concerned - 3/18/2002 2:33:36 AM
Re. 30206 -
I'd say the one you quoted equals just one of the three I quoted. My point is that Clowntoon never appears to have had anything more noteworthy than what I quoted to say.
30223. concerned - 3/18/2002 4:31:04 AM
Re. 30214 -
So Bore aspires to be the Adlai Stevenson of the new millennium, does he?
30224. joezan - 3/18/2002 7:41:19 AM
"I have decided that it is not right for me, right now,"
All but admits that President Gore is going to make a re-election bid in 2004.
So.
On the very same day his wife goes down to TN to find out whether she's got a snowball's chance in hell of winning his old Senate seat, Gore informs her it's a no-go, since he's gonna run for the presidency again?
No.
Fraid not.
Tennessee was and is Gore's Waterloo. And even Tennesseeans are smart enough to figure out that Tipper's got even less credentials than Hillary.
She got blown off.
Period.
Amen.
30225. betty - 3/18/2002 9:12:18 AM
joe,
are you trying to imply that Hillary is less qualified to be a senator than any of the others who are in her class? Mind you, i think she's fucking evil, but that right there makes her qualified, ignore her law degree and excessive involvement in her husband's administration if you want...Tipper on the other hand is a busy-body idiot who will always be remebered as the crazy, bored senator's wife who had nothing better to do than come down on rock stars, proof enough that we don't need her "ideas" in the Senate.
30226. jexster - 3/18/2002 9:33:29 AM
At least she isn't cognitively challenged!
President Bush said recently that the United States has a "fabulous" military. On other occasions, he has proclaimed himself proud of such a fabulous country, and of his fabulous cabinet. Texas and Alaska are both fabulous states. Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, is a fabulous senator.
Laura Bush is doing a fabulous job as first lady, and Mr. Bush's father is a fabulous man. Last fall, Mr. Bush attended a fabulous World Series, and last summer proclaimed baseball a fabulous sport.
A Fabulously Deep Thinker
30227. jexster - 3/18/2002 9:33:55 AM
fey
30228. jexster - 3/18/2002 9:36:30 AM
TD...
Did you know that Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, is a fabulous senator?
Watch your mouth or its a 10 minute trip to a military tribunal thence to death gurney for you.
30229. jexster - 3/18/2002 9:48:52 AM
Thomas D Standin Tall! Will Subpoena Ridge
30230. betty - 3/18/2002 10:01:04 AM
jex,
anyone who wastes money for senate hearings with Dee Snyder is cognitively impaired.
On the other hand, Tom Ridge is an evil, evil man...who is beign rewarded for trampling Civil Liberties in Philly in the summer of 2000. Subpoena him all you want...you won't get the truth. He's an opportunist and a liar, he'll eat his own children if he thinks it will turn him from bumpkin to president.
30231. jexster - 3/18/2002 10:08:09 AM
Is he an "evil" man or an "Evil" man?
30232. jexster - 3/18/2002 10:10:15 AM
JoeZ...
Tipper will Ihnen einen großen Kuß geben.
30233. betty - 3/18/2002 10:16:19 AM
jex,
I'm pretty sure he's just evil...but Philly's DA Lynn Abraham, now she's EeeeeVIL!
Ridge is mostly just an idiot (surprise!) who has been rewarded by the system for unethical activity, like our King...where as I'm pretty sure Lynn Abraham savors ever death penalty sentence, rejoicing in the loss of another young, poor, black man's life. I think she collects the bodies and offers then to Satan in return for more people to kill. they should send her to Afghanistan...there would be good, cheap results but i think the fear is that she would become bin Laden's next wife.
30234. jexster - 3/18/2002 10:16:56 AM
Ron Brownstein joins Jexster's Deep Thoughts Campaign
More Imagination Could Bring Energy Plan, Middle East Peace
30235. jexster - 3/18/2002 10:19:02 AM
Didn't know you were Phillistine...
Spent many fun times at Wharton...The Spectrum and elsewhere eating cheesesteaks
Am probably one of the five auslanders on the planet who like Philly
30236. Cellar Door - 3/18/2002 10:44:22 AM
30237. jexster - 3/18/2002 11:13:45 AM
What do golf and Florida elections have in common?
Low score wins.
30238. jexster - 3/18/2002 12:04:00 PM
30239. betty - 3/18/2002 4:15:42 PM
jex,
have you read Votescam? the problems in Florida aren't new.
30240. jexster - 3/18/2002 6:25:05 PM
No they aren't. That's why California passed an "every vote must count" initiative. Of course, FL had such but Scalia took care of that.
This one is for Cllr....
Chomsky to Speak at USF
30241. concerned - 3/18/2002 11:56:26 PM
The second Daschole joke I've heard (he's the original):
Joe was traveling through Mexico on vacation when, lo and behold, he lost his wallet and all identification. Cutting his trip short, he attempts to make his way home but is stopped by the Customs Agent at the border.
"May I see your identification, please?" asks the agent.
"I'm sorry, but I lost my wallet," replies Joe.
"Sure, buddy, I hear that every day. No ID, no crossing the border," says the agent.
"But I can prove that I'm an American!" exclaims Joe. "I have a picture of Ronald Reagan tattooed on one butt cheek and a picture of George W. Bush on the other."
"This I gotta see," replies the agent. With that Joe drops his pants and bends over in front of the agent.
"By golly, you're right!" exclaims the agent. "Go on home to South Dakota."
"Thanks," says Joe, "but how did you know I was from South Dakota?"
The agent replies, "I saw the picture of Tom Daschle in between."
30242. wonkers2 - 3/19/2002 8:15:37 AM
The Time for Campaign Finance Reform Has Come
30243. Cellar Door - 3/19/2002 10:03:44 AM
A lengthy and very revealing interview with David Brock
Rosie and connie aren't gonna like it (if they bother to read it at all, which I doubt) but everyone else should take a look at this very carefully. It contains a lot of information that I haven't seen anywhere else.
30244. Cellar Door - 3/19/2002 10:14:59 AM
Thanks jex!
There's no place like Noam.
30245. bubbaette - 3/19/2002 10:26:37 AM
And speaking of Ted Olsen, per today's newspaper, he's before the Supreme Court asserting "U.S. right to lie".
The government said yesterday U.S. officials have the right to lie to American citizens, telling the Supreme Court misleading statements sometimes are needed to protect foreign policy interests.
"It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where government might legitimately give our false information," said Solicitor General Theodore Olson.
I bet it IS easy to imagine, Ted.
30246. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 10:38:37 AM
Thank you David Brock for having the courage to write "Blinded by the Right."
The usual end to a penetrating and objective interview.
30247. ronski - 3/19/2002 11:20:52 AM
Even this Supreme Court is unlikely to let stand the provision that would forbid issue-oriented campaign ads sixty days before an election, should the Incumbency Protection Act of 2002 find its way to the president's desk and should he sign it.
It's one thing to draw a distinction between campaign contributions and free speech per se. It is another to forbid buying air time to express free speech as soon as the voters begin to focus on a coming election.
Not that I would expect The New York Times editorial board as presently constituted to understand that.
30248. glendajean - 3/19/2002 11:31:34 AM
Ha. I am mad at the New York Times, too. The paperboy didn't deliver one this morning.
30249. ronski - 3/19/2002 11:52:53 AM
And I didn't get mine yesterday, probably because of the snow on our hill.
The old gray lady is skating on very thin ice.
30250. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 11:58:37 AM
On Our Political Anne Heche
The first version of his tale appeared nine months earlier in the July Esquire under the headline "I Was A Right-Wing Hit Man." Promoting the article was a staged photo of Brock tied to a tree, one nipple seductively exposed. The editors didn’t say whether he was waiting to be shot, or to nurse.
30251. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 12:01:59 PM
In another gutter attack, the NY Times poison pen, Frank Rich, accused Brock of hating the entire female sex -- not so subtly outing him as a homosexual in the process.
Ah, but how Frank Rich has learned of the value of David Brock.
30252. ronski - 3/19/2002 12:33:47 PM
Does all this prove that no one is born liberal, that people choose to be liberal?
30253. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 12:36:36 PM
Sooner or later (usually sooner) most journalists want to belong. They want to be in good moral odor. They crave the blessings of the public and the respect of their peers. If they are David Brock or Joe Conason, they want to be invited to the White House, or at least called on the phone by Bill or Hillary or, more likely, by Sid Blumenthal. There isn’t a trade in existence whose practitioners require such monstrous injections of reassurance, or whose cravings for prizes and kindred tokens of esteem are so intense.
Alexander Cockburn
30254. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 12:44:34 PM
Very Funny Alexander Cockburn Piece
30255. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 12:47:23 PM
Are journalists meant to turn a blind eye if the gay-baiting family values" congressman turns out to be screwing congressional pageboys, or if the sermonizing president is caught having phone sex with his intern or getting blowjobs from her in the White House kitchen?
The answer, from those like Rich who once sullied Brock but who now seek to resurrect him, is that the journalists are only meant to turn a blind eye to the latter.
30256. Julius Caesar - 3/19/2002 12:49:21 PM
Rich is a loyal Democrat and Times columnist who will walk almost any pontificatory gangplank if he reckons it will help his guy.
Damn, I wish I'd read this when Cockburn wrote it.
30257. concerned - 3/19/2002 1:00:42 PM
Aaargh! Grow that beard back!
30258. ronski - 3/19/2002 1:28:52 PM
I helped Lincoln, after all.
30259. ronski - 3/19/2002 1:29:11 PM
It helped, rather.
30260. ronski - 3/19/2002 1:30:10 PM
I personally had very little to do with Lincoln, whether he actually was gay, as Larry Kramer claims, or not.
30261. bubbaette - 3/19/2002 1:33:01 PM
I carry his portrait in my wallet and have several copper profiles of him in my desk drawer.
30262. ronski - 3/19/2002 1:36:36 PM
That's quite generous of you, being a woman of the South and all.
30263. betty - 3/19/2002 1:41:28 PM
bub,
really, isn't Lincoln little more than rapist of the South?
30264. betty - 3/19/2002 1:41:56 PM
oops, I see ronski beat me to it.
30265. bubbaette - 3/19/2002 1:56:24 PM
That's quite generous of you, being a woman of the South and all.
As a southern woman, I am pragmatic. I keep him around because he buys me things.
30266. CalGal - 3/19/2002 2:04:58 PM
Race doesn't go to the Swift (hyuk)
Acting Gov. Jane Swift dropped out of the governor's race Tuesday, just hours before Salt Lake City Winter Olympics chief Mitt Romney was expected to announce his candidacy.
30267. Erin R. - 3/19/2002 6:06:15 PM
I'm glad she dropped out. But did she have to cry during the announcement?
30268. judithathome - 3/19/2002 6:45:28 PM
People seem to like it when politicians cry...they think GW is wonderful everytime he does it.
30269. concerned - 3/19/2002 6:46:55 PM
Doesn't it just getcha, right there?
30270. judithathome - 3/19/2002 6:48:47 PM
Not really. But then, you knew that.
30271. jexster - 3/19/2002 7:24:47 PM
71 In Economics
'FALLON, Mo., March 18 — Nine days after signing the second tax cut since he took office, President Bush today proposed a new round of cuts, intended largely for small businesses, a constituency he is heavily courting for the coming Congressional elections.
30272. wonkers2 - 3/19/2002 7:28:18 PM
Erin, What do you expect? She's a girl! (Just kidding.)
30273. jexster - 3/19/2002 7:32:16 PM
Sunday's front-page story in The Times on doctors who shun patients with Medicare may have been alarming enough; it seems that recent cuts in Medicare payments are inducing many doctors to avoid treating Medicare recipients at all. But this is just the beginning of a struggle that will soon dominate American politics.
71 in Economics
30274. arkymalarky - 3/19/2002 8:56:21 PM
It gets me when almost anyone cries, unless I perceive it to be fake crying, in which case I want to bust them one. Like slapping that nose job right off Paula Jones' face.
30275. jexster - 3/19/2002 10:30:54 PM
Krony Kapitalism vs. States' Rights & Consumer Protection - No Contest
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/19/technology/19SOFT.htmlBush Tries to Block State AG Suits Against MS
30276. jexster - 3/19/2002 10:31:38 PM
Bush Tries to Block State AG Suits Against MS
30277. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 3/20/2002 12:11:21 AM
People seem to like it when politicians cry...they think GW is wonderful everytime he does it.
He's a girly-man!
30278. concerned - 3/20/2002 1:24:18 AM
From Newsmax:
NOW Took Clinton Cash Before Falling Silent on Sexgate
NewsMax | 03/19/2002 |
The National Organization for Women received a series of unprecedented federal grants from the Clinton administration totaling over $700,000 before the women's group fell silent on charges a sexual harassment, sexual assault and even rape in the Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky cases four years ago.
In an exclusive interview with NewsMax.com, Tammy Bruce, former head of the Los Angeles chapter of NOW and more recently the author of "The New Thought Police," said the federal windfall to the nation's premier feminist group came in 1997, just after the Supreme Court decided that Ms. Jones could sue President Clinton before he left office.
"NOW had never taken federal funds before," Bruce told NewsMax. "But as soon as Paula Jones won the ability in the Supreme Court to sue Bill Clinton" the federal dollars began flowing to NOW in a big way, she said.
"The California chapter was pretty close to bankruptcy. And suddenly there's this grant that was given to NOW through the Department of Health and Human Services, headed up at the time by Donna Shalala - from the Centers of Disease Control element of HHS through their Tobacco Control Office."
Bruce said that the initial payment to California NOW was over $500,000, even though neither it nor national NOW had ever done anything in the realm of smoking prevention to justify the funding.
"When the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke, that grant was then transferred to National NOW," Bruce said. Shortly after the Clinton administration began funneling money to the national organization, NOW's then-president Patricia Ireland participated in a press conference supporting Bill Clinton, the former L.A. NOW chief said.
"At that point, another $200,000 went into NOW's coffers," Bruce alleged. "All totaled it was $766,000."
30279. concerned - 3/20/2002 1:24:39 AM
"In the nonprofit world, $700,000 is an astronomical amount of money," the lesbian feminist leader explained. "I can safely say that half-a-million dollars at the California NOW level is monumental. It probably saved them from going under."
Bruce said that California NOW's fund-raising apparatus was so important that had the state chapter gone down, it would have taken the national organization with it.
After taking the Clinton administration cash, NOW "directly rebuked Paula Jones, and when it came to Monica Lewinsky, (the group) issued comments as to how this wasn't sexual harassment," Bruce said, despite the workplace power Clinton wielded over his then 22-year-old subordinate.
In fact, instead of coming to Jones' aid, then-NOW President Patricia Ireland was privately contemptuous of her legal fight, according to a behind-the-scenes account offered by Bruce.
"I remember being in NOW's national office in Washington, D.C. sometime in 1995 when I overheard a conversation between Patricia and others," she recalled. "I remember that Paula Jones' lawyers were trying to connect with NOW at the time and that their call was not taken."
Bruce said she heard Ireland "laughing about how she was managing to avoid those telephone calls."
adjectives that describe the WH Rapist and NOW: rotten, corrupt, diseased, degenerate, venal, worthless, hypocritical, criminal, dishonest, decayed, putrid, fetid, opprobrious, malicious, nefarious, malignant, malevolent, noxious, evil....
30280. concerned - 3/20/2002 1:31:12 AM
The GWB administration would never stoop so low as this, thank god.
30281. concerned - 3/20/2002 1:45:34 AM
Plus, NOW has shown themselves to be nothing but a gaggle of prostitutes.
30282. concerned - 3/20/2002 1:59:15 AM
Plus NOW, Clowntoon and Shalala are guilty of bribery and fraud with these money exchanges. And to think that this is the best the Left has to offer.
30283. jexster - 3/20/2002 2:18:42 AM
Nice rant, factually wrong, cheap shot smear but hey what else is new? Maybe I missed it amid all the purple prose but a basic question Moron - do you have any earthly idea what the grants were for?
You would think that these sex starved whack jobs would at least try to disguise the odor of their vomit. This is REALLY piss poor propaganda. On its face its a joke.
The U.S. should demonstrate its ongoing commitment to an open trading system. Without dynamism in world trade, the countries of East Asia, and developing economies around the world, will have a hard or impossible recovery task. In terms of growth, price stability, employment, innovation, and national wealth and power, the United States has benefited enormously from the liberalized global trading system. If the U.S. now hesitates, or worse, retreats, how can we expect others to stand up to those who oppose competition...Robert Zoellick, Bush's Trade "negotiator"
The GWB administration would never stoop so low as this, thank god.
Chenron
Clean Air Act
Steel Tariff
Crusader Artillery....
You want more? I have 70 payoffs in a list somewhere here. Not being a National Enquirer afficianado, I won't compound your insult to intelligence by claiming any of these were bribes or fraud.
But each is a damn sight closer to crime than that load of Clinton bashing crap.
30284. jexster - 3/20/2002 2:19:57 AM
Fit for white trailer trash, well like come to think of it - Paula Jones!
30285. jexster - 3/20/2002 2:22:56 AM
In the non-profit world 700,000 is not an astronomical amount of money in case you really cared about facts that is.
National Enquirer School of Political Reporting .
30286. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 6:16:13 AM
concerned's silly link is a typical right-wing slam against NOW and other women's advocacy groups. Wingnuts caricurature such organizations' positions as "every woman is right, every man is wrong", then accuse the organization of hypocrisy if it doesn't conform to their false caricature of it.
30287. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 6:21:56 AM
Did I really type "caricurature"?? Jeez. I know it's early in the morning, but that's ridiculous.
30288. joezan - 3/20/2002 7:47:21 AM
Well, it's what the money WASN'T for that is the crux of the biscuit in concerned's link, morons.
How much anti-smoking literature have you seen from NOW?
30289. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 8:47:32 AM
Plenty. NOW has frequently criticized cigarette advertising that is directed at women.
30290. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 8:54:05 AM
I don't think I've ever seen any NOW literature on any subject.
30291. ycmeehan - 3/20/2002 9:24:22 AM
NOW Took Clinton Cash Before Falling Silent on Sexgate
concerned,
After copying and pasting most of the article in posts #30278, 30279, why did you omit the last paragraph which is as follows?:
Read more from trailblazing feminist Tammy Bruce on NOW's betrayal of Paula Jones, its secret alliance with Jesse Jackson and how the left waged war against talk radio's Dr. Laura Schlessinger in NewsMax magazine's May issue.
Order Tammy Bruce's blockbuster book "The New Thought Police" at an unbeatable price at NewsMax.com's bookstore.
30292. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 9:40:48 AM
Because the fact that Tammy Bruce is peddling a book does not affect her credibility in the SLIGHTEST. Concerned just didn't want to burden us with irrelevant facts, and I for one appreciate it.
30293. ycmeehan - 3/20/2002 9:48:56 AM
NOW and SMOKING
Links:
Health Effects of Smoking
Kids and Smoking
Hispanic Women and Tobacco
African American Women and Tobacco
Health Effects of Smoking in Developing Countries
30294. Cygnus X-1 - 3/20/2002 10:06:28 AM
Hey Whiz, perhaps you missed it, but your hero has called off the dogs:
"It would be good if no one paid attention to those who criticize Bush..."
- Mikhail Gorbachev
30295. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:28:29 AM
Why Cyg you are right wing cannon fodder. Veritable volksturm of the Limbaugh Legion.
It seems that the our so-called President shares the Communist distaste for criticism and democratic process. Maybe that's the kindred spirit Mullah Moron recognized in His Miraculous Vision of Putin's soul.
The Imperial Presidency, born again, in our Moron King dimly lit mind:
30296. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:32:25 AM
L'etat c'est Moron?
Hey I have a great idea, a deep thought for the Bastard of the US -create WH "directors" for each cabinet office, send the Cabinet Secretaries on extended vacation, and presto - 1/2 way to shredding the fuckin Magna Carta!
30297. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:39:55 AM
But the biscuit, in case you missed it, has worms in it JoeZ.
The fuckin article is absurd on its face.
Simple Shit for Simpletons consisting of no more than
- LA NOW got a grant.
- NOW supports Clinton (read NOW supports baby killers fags and fellow travelers who undermine our morals)
- NOW thinks Paula Jones/and DickGate was farce, a smear concocted by the GOP Taliban.
Add a heap of foam and presto, brain food for the brain dead. Real National Enquirer trailer trash journalism.
What a joke.
30298. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:40:49 AM
Bubs that's because, how can I put this delicately, you live in a fuckin backwater.
30299. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:46:42 AM
Oh don't get me wrong, Ohio, I appreciate concerned as much as the next guy. I get the feeling that its hard to take TD seriously because TD doesn't take himself seriously.
30300. concerned - 3/20/2002 10:47:58 AM
Re. 30291 -
Because:
1) It's not part of the article.
2) It's not relevant to the article.
3) I'm not in the business of pushing books.
4) There's absolutely no reason to do so.
30301. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 10:48:04 AM
Jex - wouldn't have it any other way. I think that part of the reason that I haven't seen any literature from NOW is that they're irrelevant in my lil ol backwater and they're irrelevant in most womens' lives. But they do make a convenient whipping gal for the right wing. Sort of like trying to discredit the civil rights movement by mentioning Louis Farakhan whenever the subject of civil rights comes up.
30302. concerned - 3/20/2002 10:50:12 AM
Re. 30299 -
What's scary is that jexster thinks anybody believes that his posts are meant seriously.
'Rats just gotta love their Rapist, I guess.
30303. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:50:55 AM
See what I mean.
30304. jexster - 3/20/2002 10:55:58 AM
Ya know I really like Bill CLinton. Saw him speak in person for the first time just before the election. He was fuckin unreal, awesome. I think that the Last President of the US was one of our better ones.
But I can live without him while 3/4 of the GOP is having delirium tremens.
30305. concerned - 3/20/2002 11:06:50 AM
Re. 30298 -
Really, who would want to see 'litterature' from a pack of prostitutes like NOW, anyway?
30306. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 11:12:00 AM
A Sad, Funny Piece on the Reno Campaign
30307. jexster - 3/20/2002 11:19:01 AM
Really, who would want to see 'litterature' from a pack of prostitutes like NOW, anyway?
Oh Lord, I have encouraged him.
TD you go girl!
30308. jexster - 3/20/2002 11:23:29 AM
Here's a sad, funny bit for you Julio.....why I feel 12 again..just me and Julio down by the school yard!
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason to live.
They got little hands,
Little eyes,
They walk around tellin' great big lies.
They got little noses,
Tiny little teeth,
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet.
Well I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people 'round here.
(Short people are just the same as you and I.)
A fool such as I. (All men are brothers until the day they die.)
It's a wonderful world.
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody to love
They got little baby legs
They stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello.
They got little cars
That go beep beep beep.
They got little voices
Goin' peep peep peep.
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds.
They're gonna get you
Every time.
Well I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people 'round here.
30309. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 11:25:15 AM
Rustler's correct.
You got talent.
30310. concerned - 3/20/2002 11:25:27 AM
Reno has been, aptly, I think, compared to a long strip of diseased gristle.
30311. concerned - 3/20/2002 11:29:46 AM
Re. 30308 -
Little Tommy Daschole would probably find that positively hurtful. Maybe Stooge Reno could get his endorsement?
30312. concerned - 3/20/2002 11:36:22 AM
Re. 30263 -
I hope Betty was joking here. Hasn't she ever of something called 'emancipation'?
30313. concerned - 3/20/2002 11:36:34 AM
Re. 30263 -
I hope Betty was joking here. Hasn't she ever heard of something called 'emancipation'?
30314. Cygnus X-1 - 3/20/2002 11:40:12 AM
jexster, I'm not trying to silence you. On the contrary, idiots are hilarious. As Twain said, "the secret source of humor is not joy, but sorrow”, and you are one sorrowful asshole. Nevertheless, I consider it my duty to remind you that, as Mikhail Gorbachev said, "it would be good if no one paid attention to those who criticize Bush..."
Hmmm… Maybe Gorbachev hasn’t had a change of heart after all. Maybe he’s realized that democrats’/socialists’/communists’/idiots’ criticisms of Bush have become humorous in their abject irrationality that he’s trying to save you before you do any more damage to what’s left of your reputations. The application of double standards can only be tolerated for so long, even by those who champion such practices.
30315. jexster - 3/20/2002 11:52:34 AM
More like a giant pile of rancid hawg maws and chitterlins I'd say TD.
30316. jexster - 3/20/2002 11:53:43 AM
Cyg...
Hate to break it to ya but I lose sleep at night worrying that you might be tryin to silence me!
30317. jexster - 3/20/2002 11:57:06 AM
But hey don't feel bad dude, its not your fault that I feel betrayed by the man with the freaky red streak...I did so look to him for guidance. And to think, I wanted him to autograph my copy of the Thoughts of Chairman Mao.
30318. robertjayb - 3/20/2002 2:25:48 PM
Just 17% Say White House Is Telling
Whole Truth On Enron(HotlineScoop.com)
More than half of Americans believe that members of the Bush administration hiding something on Enron, while just 17% believe they are telling the whole truth. And 67% said they believe contributions to members of Congress by Enron and its execs make it difficult for Congress to conduct a fair investigation into the collapse of the energy firm.
30319. jexster - 3/20/2002 2:34:14 PM
Az mir vill schlugen a hunt, gifintmin a schtecken - If one wants to beat a dog, one finds a stick
In an interview with Salon, James Carville pulled no punches.
"I think the Democratic Party has the chronic problem of appearing to be weak, of not standing and fighting for what it believes in, not fighting for its own. I think that America will not trust a party to defend America that isn't willing to defend itself. And that's basically my message. The Republicans are hard-hitting, ruthless, and we don't have to do everything they do, but we ought to be just as willing to stand up for what's right as they're willing to stand up for what is wrong... Democrats in Washington are completely mortified that somebody's gonna say something bad about them at a dinner party in Cleveland Park on a Saturday night. You tell them there's an Op-Ed piece coming out, with somebody saying they're being divisive, and they'll fall apart."
Amen Brotha Carville! Do I hear an AMEN?!?!
30320. jexster - 3/20/2002 2:35:09 PM
His mom Nipsy was born and raised in my hometown.
There's fire in Cajun blood.
30321. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 2:40:11 PM
Cygnus is extremely proud that a real-life Communist said something nice about President Bush.
I guess when Cyg calls the New York Times the "Commie Times" he's intending to bestow a compliment. Who knew?
30322. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 2:48:16 PM
Carville is partially correct, but, like jexster, he drains any semblance of a philosophy from his solid advice of party courage. What is left is an Al Davis "Just Win Baby!" ethos with no textual purpose. It is enough for Carville to amass troops and mount an attack under the banner of "Not Republican." As such, instead of their present incarnation of hesitation, Democrats under the Carville-Begala-jexster wing become toothless, not from fear of institutional reproach, but because everybody sees them as soulless and unbalanced shills, screaming "The American people don't care about the camps. They care about the trains running on time!" They bare their fangs so often that no one fears their bite.
This in and of itself evinces a weakness every bit as virulent as the one Carville decries.
30323. Cellar Door - 3/20/2002 2:55:57 PM
Quite true, Julius. The Democractic party lost its purpose some time ago. Lost its soul in fact.
That's why mario Cuomo declined to run. It wasn't widespread ational support he feared he couldn't get. It was the support of his own party.
30324. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 3:11:37 PM
". . . What is left is an Al Davis "Just Win Baby!" ethos with no textual purpose. It is enough for Carville to amass troops and mount an attack under the banner of "Not Republican." . . . "
Oh, baloney. That passage is about doing the right thing for the public, not beating Republicans for its own sake.
30325. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 3:19:28 PM
Besides, which, talk about your Pot calling the Kettle black -- the Republican Party has been the win-at-all-costs party.
30326. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 3:21:40 PM
Carville has a point. I think a good illustration of what he's talking about was the testimony of Anita Hill at the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings ten years ago.
The Democrats - Biden, Kennedy, et al - bumbled along in an effort to find the truth while at the same time adhering to their gentleman's agreement that the hearings would end in x days.
The Republicans - Hatch, Simpson, Specter - didn't give a SHIT about that. They were willing to do whatever it took to get their guy on the Supreme Court, truth be damned.
Did Clarence Thomas belong on the Supreme Court? Was it in the public's interest to have his nomination confirmed? That was the principal issue, but Democrats' reluctance to assert themselves prevented that issue from being fully considered.
30327. Cellar Door - 3/20/2002 3:41:01 PM
30328. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 4:02:56 PM
"Whitewater" was crap.
It took eight years to figure this out?
30329. ronski - 3/20/2002 4:10:57 PM
Tom Daschle worried about not being liked?
You guys have got to be kidding.
Carville's remarks could easily be applied to a host of GOPers from Bush 43 down through Congress and down to the state level, where GOP governors and legislators are borrowing money like crazy to fund new government programs and abandoning any semblance of fiscal restraint, in order to please the center, avoid being called bad names, and to win at all costs.
And look at Bush and the steel quotas. Another flight from principle.
30330. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 4:11:28 PM
Many of you - not Cellar - misunderstand. "Just Win baby!" is not in and of itself an indefensible credo. But Carville fails to tie the winning to an understandable code of political principles.
You may loathe Republicans. You may find them offensive to the core. But they have dominated the policy debate because they have melded Carville's "Just Win baby!" with a code of political principles (vile though they may be) that has been more consistent.
And they often kill their own for philosophical heresy.
Carville thinks he can simply build up more "Just Win Baby!" muscle around a "At Least I'm Not A Cretinous Republican!"
(actually, he doesn't - philosophically, he's an unrepentant old-style liberal, but he suffered the wounds of early 80s Democratic fratricide, sold his soul to triangulation, and now, is hoping to build up a very strong right fist, knowing he has cut his left arm off)
30331. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 4:16:59 PM
Ronski
You cite minor matters, which is the way of the libertarian, confusing everday choice-making and expedience with philosophical heresy.
When the GOP abandons a pro-life plank, when it endorses affirmative action, when it favors gun restriction, when it embraces the State Department over Defense, that is the day it will be triangulating itself into extinction.
30332. jexster - 3/20/2002 4:18:22 PM
Cyg has every right to be proud of Gorby. He's very much a soul mate of our Manichean Moralizer and OverLord...
Mikhail Gorbachev, speaking at an environmental symposium for Global Green USA, criticized Bush's refusal to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Gorbachev's concern for the widespread environmental destruction in the former Soviet Union inspired him to found Green Cross International, the parent organization of Global Green, USA. Gorbachev stressed that stabilizing the environment will help stabilize the world. About Bush's lame excuses for not cooperating, he said: "Every country has its own interests. But national interest can't be imposed on others."
Commies!
Bushies...
Can't trust 'em as far as you can spit...
30333. ronski - 3/20/2002 4:30:12 PM
Right. Sure. Growing government in leaps and bounds is a mere trifle.
And in New York State, the GOP has abandoned the pro-life position, has passed sweeping gun restrictions, and has long embraced affirmative action.
30334. Cygnus X-1 - 3/20/2002 4:31:49 PM
Here's an exercise for you goons. You figure out what the Democrat party should stand for. And please spare me the shibboleths like "education" and "the children". When you're done listing your socialist/communist goals like equality of outcome (as opposed to opportunity), then you should try and figure out how to achieve your goals. Then, try and do it without sacrificing the liberties you've all of a sudden appreciated again as a result of our response to terrorism. I won't even ask you to restrict yourselves to constitutional means since I know what little regard you have for the Constitution.
Good luck. Here's some advice. Shut off any reasoning abilities you have and stick with your emotions. Otherwise, you'll just frustrate yourself and given the sad state of affairs for liberals these days, it just might send you over the edge.
30335. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 4:36:13 PM
Ronski
National politics simply cannot afford the doctrinaire. And units of the whole are irrelevant to Carville's point.
We are talking national politics. The New York GOP vis-a-vis the national party is as relevant to the inquiry as the planks of the city of San Francisco.
For national politics, if you want to succeed, you must hold and articulate a philosophy. It need not be rigid, just semi-consistent.
Without it, all the Atwater or Carville muscle in the world is misdirected.
30336. CalGal - 3/20/2002 4:38:36 PM
test
30337. Cygnus X-1 - 3/20/2002 4:41:01 PM
Here's a political principle of Republicans I bet you find vile. They believe the right to free speech and the bearing of arms can not be infringed (what, being mentioned in the 1st & 2nd amendments directly and 9th and 10th indirectly) and so oppose CFR on principle. Also, since there's no mention of abortion in the Constitution, they allow that states can place restrictions on it. You may believe the diametrics opposite, but that's vile if anything is.
30338. jexster - 3/20/2002 4:42:36 PM
Holy Leaping Logic Lizards Julio!
Now where did you find that in the Carville quote?
What is left is an Al Davis "Just Win Baby!" ethos with no textual purpose.
Mangled grammar aside, what is left is YOUR rather bogus, gratuitous, baseless and ultimately false leap of logic.
"Outside the GOP there is no salvation no principle" are your blinders not a statement of Carville's political philosophy nor mine. Keep your dogmatic dogshit out of my back yard.
but because everybody sees them as soulless and unbalanced shills,
We interrupt this wet dream with a NEWSFLASH..dateline the Real World...Gore won the last Election by 500,000 votes...now back to your delusion now in progress...
As for the remainder, I concede that the democrats are Nazi to the core who'd gas right thinking Christian folk in a heartbeat.
30339. jexster - 3/20/2002 4:46:19 PM
"They believe the right to free speech and the bearing of arms can not be infringed (what, being mentioned in the 1st & 2nd amendments directly and 9th and 10th indirectly) and so oppose CFR on principle"
The Code of Federal Regulations?
Why I never knew that!
30340. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 4:47:04 PM
jexster
what is left is YOUR rather bogus, gratuitous, baseless and ultimately false leap of logic.
Four adjectives = less meds.
Gore won the last Election by 500,000 votes
Tell it to Keith Van Horn
30341. jexster - 3/20/2002 4:50:33 PM
I leave it to Cyg, our resident Constitutional expert, to explain the difference between a basketball game, the Immaculate Reception, and the franchise.
More to the point though, your "everybody loves me" crap is stinking up my back yard. A sentence to four adjectives is lenient.
30342. jexster - 3/20/2002 4:54:15 PM
And speakin of dog shit, you forgot that Al Davis pile over by the rose bushes.
Al Davis! Please. When I tire of Bush, I bash Davis and the Raiders on SFGATE under the nom de guerre "Darth Fader, Ruler of the Fader Nation, Lord of the Black Hole"
30343. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 5:23:03 PM
The FOX News headline describing today's I.C. Whitewater report exonerating the Clintons:
Final Report Shows Clintons Benefited from Criminal Transactions
Ah, "Fair and Balanced".
30344. concerned - 3/20/2002 5:45:11 PM
Re. 30343 -
The WH Rapist has hardly been exonerated. He had to cut deals to avoid being indicted, settling for just impeachment and disbarment; plus, about all his 'friends' have spent time in the slammer.
30345. concerned - 3/20/2002 5:47:22 PM
It's too bad that Lefties aren't willing to admit what a breath of ethical clean air the Bush administration has been compared to the festering putrescence which preceded it.
30346. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 5:47:41 PM
Spare me the tripe about Republican ideological consistancy.
The believe in personal freedom as long as you go to their church, define "family" as they do, and make a fair amount of money.
They are anti-abortion, pro-death penalty and believe that every child is sacred until they're born.
They believe in smaller government except for the military, police force and jails (unless their business friends demand otherwise.)
They believe in personal responsibility except for white collar criminals, corporate welfare, and republican sexual peccadillos.
They believe in the power of the free market unless their business friends object.
30347. concerned - 3/20/2002 5:51:37 PM
If it weren't for Republicans, bubbaette would probably have slaves on her plantation - the ultimate welfare state.
30348. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 5:51:41 PM
Bubbaette: Republicans ARE consistent: They consistently follow the principle of helping the already well-off.
What they are INconsistent about is the principles they PURPORT to be consistent about, as you have demonstrated.
30349. OhioSTOPAS - 3/20/2002 5:53:50 PM
Well, 'concerned' has us there: "Republicans freed the slaves!"
Anything laudible they've done since, Connie?
30350. concerned - 3/20/2002 5:55:57 PM
Not if you're a corrupt, power hungry, war loving, freedom hating communist, I guess.
30351. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 5:58:36 PM
Concerned, you are an idiot. My mother is a naturalized citizen who moved here from Germany. My father's family is from Northern Indiana.
Freed any slaves lately, pinhead?
30352. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 6:02:57 PM
I see that bubb and Ohio have proven a worthy intellectual match for concerned. Good. I feared it might be Harding v. Jones, but this is much more Bridges v. Vanilla Ice.
30353. concerned - 3/20/2002 6:06:07 PM
JC -
Write any good stories lately?
30354. Julius Caesar - 3/20/2002 6:08:10 PM
Nah. Just some pulp.
30355. concerned - 3/20/2002 6:14:49 PM
JC -
just kidding:) I'm just waiting for you to write several chapters before I delve into your magnum opus, so I can appreciate it holistically.
30356. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 6:22:54 PM
JC
bite me
30357. jexster - 3/20/2002 6:36:48 PM
Well so much for 90% of GOP principles for the past ten years
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the final four (news - web sites)-volume report on the Whitewater scandal that dogged Bill Clinton's presidency, an independent counsel said on Wednesday there was insufficient evidence that Bill or Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) took part in or knew of any criminal conduct.
30358. concerned - 3/20/2002 6:39:16 PM
Whoever wrote that is quite the liar. Ray said that sufficient evidence existed to easily indict Clowntoon on perjury alone.
30359. jexster - 3/20/2002 6:42:57 PM
Ray wrote it. And for your edification, TD(Daschle), the charge that Ray so timorously leveled but dared not bring, was not perjury but the lesser charge of lying under oath.
Thus ends the Farce.
30360. jexster - 3/20/2002 6:44:10 PM
For our Spanish speaking audience, Bubbaette of the Tide-Backwater, daughter of Ole Virginny said to JC...
muerda me
Acabo de bromear
30361. concerned - 3/20/2002 6:45:48 PM
jexster -
The only thing that you have right here is that Ray is timorous. If he resembled in any way the imaginary Republicans that Lefties love to scare themselves about, the WH Rapist would be sent up the river for life.
30362. bubbaette - 3/20/2002 6:47:19 PM
In your wet dreams.
30363. concerned - 3/20/2002 6:50:17 PM
bubbs -
Maybe x42 will still assault some woman and make you very happy.
30364. jexster - 3/20/2002 6:52:15 PM
"the WH Rapist would be sent up the river for life."
Justice tempered with mercy.
He should have gotten the death gurney.
30365. jexster - 3/20/2002 6:54:01 PM
With Paula Jones performing fellatio on Monica in the Witness Gallery.
TELEVISED.
30366. jexster - 3/20/2002 6:58:39 PM
Ashcroft hires Florida hatchet man to oversee voter rights..
A man is known by the company he keeps and the companies he pays back...
"former employee of the Voting Integrity Project, which ran the disputed purging of Florida voter rolls of alleged felons during the 2000 election, and the other is a former senior counsel for the Center for Equal Opportunity, an organization that has been sharply critical of preferential affirmative action policies. They will be part of a voting-rights task force Ashcroft announced last year, to be headed by a political appointee... Civil Rights Assistant Attorney General Ralph F. Boyd Jr... acknowledged hiring Hans A. von Spakovsky, a former board member of the Voting Integrity Project, and Hugh Joseph Beard, former senior counsel for the Center for Equal Opportunity, as career lawyers in the voting rights section."
30367. jexster - 3/20/2002 8:22:21 PM
"This Office investigated whether President and Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct related to Madison Guaranty, CMS, or Whitewater Development or had any knowledge of such conduct. This Office determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct involving Madison Guaranty, CMS, or Whitewater Development or knew of such conduct. The evidence relating to their testimony and conduct, in connection with this investigation and other investigations involving the same entities, was also, in the judgment of this Office, insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either of them committed any criminal offense, including perjury (18 U.S.C. § 1621) or obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. § 1503)."
And that has Democrats hopping mad, for good reason. Pat "Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is urging Attorney General John Ashcroft and the General Accounting Office to investigate whether Ray broke any laws, regulations or ethics rules. Independent prosecutors 'must bring single-minded focus and unassailable impartiality to their investigations,' Leahy said Monday in a letter to Ashcroft. 'It was that role which Mr. Ray swore an oath to fulfill, and that is why I am compelled to question his simultaneous partisan, political activity.' Leahy also wrote to David Walker, comptroller general of the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress... Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, raised similar questions last month in letters to Ray and to the three federal appeals court judges who appointed him.
Make Him Assistant Dir of Homeland Defense!
30368. wonkers2 - 3/20/2002 8:36:13 PM
"With Monica Lewinsky performing fellatio on Paula Jones..."
Is there something I missed about Paula Jones? I was aware she had a nose job but not of any other changes. (Just a minor technical point!)
30369. jexster - 3/20/2002 8:58:18 PM
cunnilingus
30370. jexster - 3/20/2002 8:58:48 PM
or perhaps I was right the first time....
30371. wonkers2 - 3/20/2002 9:50:23 PM
As everyone probably already knows McCainFeingoldShaysMeehan has passed! The most far reaching campaign finance legislation in many a moon (ever?).
30372. ronski - 3/20/2002 11:19:22 PM
JC,
Consistency is a virtue in politics, I suppose. But so are principles. It is hard to define any overriding principle guiding the GOP nowadays.
You know, you really oughta be nice to me, like you used to be, when you thought I was about to run away with Ace.
I have yet to renew my membership in the LP, given Harry's getting half the votes in 2000 that he received in 1996.
If the NY GOP stops the gay-bashing kow-towing to the local Conservative Party, I will probably enroll as a Republican, after all.
What is the alternative, said to say...?
30373. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 9:15:17 AM
So CFR is about to be passed into law with full public funding of campaigns "the wave of the future". I wonder if you liberals will be as averse to the idea of being forced to pay for campaigns of people you find despicable. Other than that, I guess we have nothing to fear and all will be well. The fears that people in powerful places will exert too much control over who gets to run for office, how much they get funded, and what they can say are unfounded, right?
Let's see, how long has it been...226 years this July? It would be a shame to do it all over again, but "when in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another..."
30374. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 9:46:57 AM
CFR part II?
We hear a lot of carping about wartime threats to civil liberties, so it's worth considering how civil liberties are treated in the enemy's part of the world. In Syria, "lawmaker" Mamoun Homsi has been sentenced to five years in prison for "trying to illegally change the nation's constitution." A Syrian "court" also gave him a six-month suspended sentence for "defaming the government through his allegations of corruption and claims that Syrians lack freedom," the Associated Press reports.
Meanwhile, our friends the Saudis have jailed "a poet who penned verses blasting Saudi Arabia's Islamic judges as corrupt and serving 'tyrants.' "
30375. Wombat - 3/21/2002 9:49:43 AM
Your point being...?
30376. wonkers2 - 3/21/2002 9:54:10 AM
GOP HONOR ROLL (Voted for campaign finance reform bill)
Chaffee, Rhode Island
Cochran, Mississippi
Collins, Maine
Domenici, New Mexico
Fitzgerald, Illinois
Lugar, Indiana
McCain, Arizona
Snowe, Maine
Specter, Pennsylvania
Thompson, Tennessee
Warner, Virginia
Also Independent
Jeffords, Vermont
(Two Democrats voted no: Breauz, Louisiana and Nelson, Nebraska.)
Final vote: 60 Yes, 40 No
30377. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 9:59:04 AM
My point is that Muhammed John McCain is trying to turn the US government into a Middle East style of government by enacting restrictions on government criticism.
30378. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 10:01:30 AM
McCain, Snowe, and Chaffee are Republicans in name only. Specter has mental problems. I'm not familiar enough with the other "Republicans".
30379. bubbaette - 3/21/2002 10:05:44 AM
Awright Warner!! He's made several principled votes -- not a bad guy for a Republican. I saw John McCaine on The Daily Show a few nights ago --there's another Republican I could vote for.
30380. wonkers2 - 3/21/2002 10:08:59 AM
We would certainly welcome all of them into the Democratic Party. Richard Lugar would have made a much better candidate than Bush for the GOP in the last election. Of course, so would McCain. I'm not familiar with Specter's mental problems. He seems perfectly sane to me. As for McCain your comment that he is a Republican in name only is way off base. He almost won the GOP nomination over Bush, and his voting record is mostly quite conservative.
30381. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 10:14:46 AM
Spector voted "not proven" in impeachment. That's just bizarre. As for McCain, name one primary he won in which voters were restricted to voting for candidates running for office for the party in which the voter is registered.
So, what do you think about $5 of your paycheck going to pay for George Bush's campaign? Hey, here's one: How about for John Ashcroft? Come on, cough up the $$$.
30382. bubbaette - 3/21/2002 10:18:45 AM
I already check off the box for the funds going to presidential candidates on my tax return. I have no objection to an extra $5 to reduce special interest influence in the political process.
30383. wonkers2 - 3/21/2002 10:22:36 AM
Fine with me. But I don't believe that was part of the bill. ?? Not sure.
McCain beat Bush in Michigan in the primary. The GOP needs candidates with crossover appeal and appeal to independents. Lugar's voting record is also quite conservative. I have never heard anyone call him a liberal Republican. But he is a class act. He is a very honest man who truly votes in the national interest, as he sees it without allowing himself to be bullied by party hacks like Trent Lott.
30384. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 10:32:53 AM
bubbaette, aren't you the one who criticizes the GOP for opposing abortion and supporting the death penalty as if there is some incongruence? What, you'd rather them protect the guilty and kill the innocent?
wonkers, public financing isn't in CFR, but it's in the works.
Hmmm... So all Bush has to do to keep the GOP in power is stack the FEC with his cronies? Good idea. They can suddenly see a need for more or less public financing depending on who's in or out of power. And NOW just shouldn't be able to speak out in support of Hillary no matter how disparaged she is by the Washington Times and the Fox News Channel, right?
30385. Wombat - 3/21/2002 10:35:59 AM
It seems to me that the main government threat to criticism is that emanating from the inhabitant of the White House, should anyone dare differ with aspects of his policy concerning the War on Terrorism.
The true voice of the people in the electoral process has long since been smothered by special interest money and manipulation.
30386. judithathome - 3/21/2002 10:40:51 AM
Spector voted "not proven" in impeachment
This more proves his sanity than it proves mental problems.
30387. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 10:46:59 AM
The only "threat" to criticism of Bush comes from public disapproval of irrational, America-hating leftists. Peter Jennings and piss on Bush all he wants, but he shouldn't cry if he loses viewers.
If the voice of the people has been smothered, it was only by their own apathy. So now, since some people speak louder than others, we have to silence all voices. That's the communist way: equality of outcome rather than opportunity.
30388. betty - 3/21/2002 10:49:45 AM
Spector from PA? I saw him kissing a very young and attractive woman in my office building's elevator one time. My friend pointed him out to me as we left the elevator and said "I didn't know Spector was out of jail."
30389. Wombat - 3/21/2002 10:52:15 AM
Well, Cyggie, if you will tell me how NMD and the Crusader artillery system fit into the war on terrorism, I will happily listen.
30390. Wombat - 3/21/2002 10:54:03 AM
Or how a tax cut does, and how any criticism of the Bush Administration was labeled as providing aid and comfort to our enemies, whether or not it concerned the war on terrorism.
30391. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 10:55:04 AM
Are you talking about missle defense? Are you serious?
30392. Wombat - 3/21/2002 10:57:59 AM
Of course I am serious. Please explicate for me. I crave your profound insights on the matter.
30393. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 11:02:42 AM
A tax cut spurs the encomony. Criticism of legal detaining of Muslim immigrants immediately after being attacked by Muslim immigrants does indeed give aid and comfort to our enemy. So does soem woman taking 3 shots a George Bush with a high-powered rifle aid and comfort our enemy. What, you say that never happened? Well neither did anyone say criticism unrelated to the war on terrorism gave aid and comfort to our enemies. Stick to the facts.
30394. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 11:05:11 AM
Before I explain the need for a missle defense, is it or is it not reasonable to ask Iraq or North Korea to kindly detonate any missles they launch at us before it hits our shores? I mean, should we count on being able to do that or not? That pretty much governs the need for a NMD, so please answer that before I waste any time.
30395. Wombat - 3/21/2002 11:12:10 AM
Please describe any actual links that Iraq and North Korea have to terrorism that threatens the United States. Please also describe any missiles that either country has that can reach the United States.
While you are at it, tell us why we should not spend the money being set aside for NMD and the Crusader on the sort of technologies and munitions that are actually being used to great effect in the US war on terrorism.
30396. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:17:49 AM
Very good Wombat.
30397. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 11:19:42 AM
"The Intelligence Community judged in the mid-1990s that North Korea had produced one, possibly two, nuclear weapons."
"[The] multiple-stage Taepo Dong-2, which is capable of reaching the United States with a nuclear-weapon-sized payload, may be ready for flight testing."
- Robert Walpole, National Intelligence Officer for Strategic and Nuclear Programs for the CIA in Congressional testimony on March 11th.
Now, he didn't say how hard it would be for North Korea to sell this technology to the highest bidder. Should we just hope that they don't?
30398. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:21:28 AM
For Karl Rove, California is a forbidding place, full of hostile Democrats. Even so, the White House’s political mastermind thought he’d found a way to establish a Republican beachhead in the Golden State: back Richard Riordan, the popular former mayor of Los Angeles, for governor against Gray Davis, the pallid and unpopular Democratic incumbent. Riordan seemed perfect to lead a Left Coast GOP: Republican, but nominally; Roman Catholic, but officially pro-choice; wealthy, used to speaking his mind, and therefore refreshingly “maverick.” Besides, President George W. Bush’s best buddies in the state liked him. (One was a former law partner.) Riordan was eager to begin with, but Rove left nothing to chance. He took Riordan to the White House Mess and encouraged him to run. Rove managed to avoid a meeting with Riordan’s main potential competitor for the GOP nomination, another wealthy (but far more conservative) businessman named Bill Simon Jr.
BUT THERE WAS something important Rove didn’t know and, in retrospect, should have feared: Riordan would be chum in the waters patrolled by Davis’s own political mastermind, a cheerfully Machiavellian shark named Garry South
The King is coming to California to stump for his wingnut Simon. Of course, on his last visit, he met Gray Davis who ambushed his stoopid butt in the Laugha in LA (5/01) as Bush tried to defend his Enron buddies.
Cumps Meet Garry South!
30399. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:22:43 AM
ah hell
CHUMps
get it?
30400. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:24:13 AM
Consider the source.
Then consider what he said.
30401. Wombat - 3/21/2002 11:24:37 AM
Cygnus:
After acquiring the Taepo Dong whenever it has been tested successfully (without anyone noticing it), Osama is going to somehow smuggle it out of Korea and launch it from where, the Peshawar bazaar? A cave in Afghanistan? All while our intelligence services and military do nothing to interdict it?
30402. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:25:10 AM
Then consider that NMD is designed to defend from attacks from East Asia.
30403. robertjayb - 3/21/2002 11:30:05 AM
jexster,
You're up too early. Run out to the nearest Mama's for some nice French toast. You'll feel much better.
30404. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:30:08 AM
"South is a coldblooded mako, but goes for the center as well as the jugular."
Is it safe to go in the water?
30405. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:31:34 AM
You know Mama's?!?!?
North Beach....too far away..but I do need some carbs...this depthcharge needs some sugar to get me really fired up
30406. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:34:49 AM
Rogue state nuclear threats remain the phantasm of extreme right wing ideologues who control the Bush Administration. The greatest threat is as it always has been, planes dropping from the sky into the Pentagon; suit case dirty bombs/sarin gas, the very things that 911 and after demonstrated that BUsh remains clueless about.
So what else is new?
Thank God for Colin Powell whose influence ebbs and flows and I am afraid is mostly on the wane.
30407. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 11:37:50 AM
Man, you have to take off your "I hate Bush" blinders. Are you talking about the same intelligence services and military that can't even find bin Laden? Do you think it's easy to track the shipment of a missle that maybe broken down into many parts? Who says bin Laden has to transport it? Who says North Korea doesn't want to use it themselves? Who says Iraq can't build one?
Ever since you guys embarrasingly lost the "new arms race" argument, you've been grasping at straws and it shows what your true motivations are. Save yourself the humiliation. Just pretend Clinton is still president.
30408. Cygnus X-1 - 3/21/2002 11:39:55 AM
Don't forget, Clinton wanted to give away any missle defense technology we had to the Chinese. Yes, I know it was to avoid an arms race with them, but he still accepted the idea of developing such technology to begin with.
30409. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:51:09 AM
I don't know about Clinton wanting to give NMD tech to the Chicoms...I know Bush made the offer.
I will be happy to go to Lexis for a cite later on.
30410. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:51:32 AM
"From now until November, South’s goal is to tear Simon limb from limb. The Davis campaign has $30 million in the bank, and many (newly filled) drawers full of oppo. “Simon is a garden-variety right-winger,” South says disdainfully, as if the job will be too easy to bother with."
30411. jexster - 3/21/2002 11:53:59 AM
All You Ever Wanted to Know About NMD - Straight Talk from the Center for Defense Information
They don't take money from defense contractors.
30412. Julius Caesar - 3/21/2002 12:02:21 PM
Please describe any actual links that Iraq and North Korea have to terrorism that threatens the United States. Please also describe any missiles that either country has that can reach the United States.
North Korea and Terrorism
NORTH KOREA
North Korea and the Taepo Dong-2 missile
North Korea and Exporting Nuclear
North Korea "believed by some intelligence sources already to have the capability to launch a nuclear missile attack on the U.S."
How Much Plutonium Does North Korea Have?
North Korea Chemical and Biological Weapons
Now, on the plus side, North Korea has not been fingered directly since downing a South Korean airliner.
And they haven't smashed jets into our skyscrapers.
So, there's that.
30413. jexster - 3/21/2002 12:07:57 PM
Julio...
It was Russia that downed the plane but why quibble when I have something to ask on a completely different subject - CU Law.
I was there during Nixon/Ford, you Raygun right?
When I was there it was pretty liberal, something I couldn't really figure, seemed out of step with the main admin. Had a very active Legal Aid program under a guy named Taylor who's a civil rights activist. Recall moans and groans in tort class when Zuckman trucked in Judge, then Prof Noonan from Boalt Hall to talk abortion...
But since, it seems 180 degree turn...
Am I right?
Should I cut the scumbags out of my will?
30414. jexster - 3/21/2002 12:10:02 PM
Shit I can't resist..
The real risk associated with North Korea is that "nobody really knows what is going on there," says freelancer Ishimaru. "Nobody knows how much money goes from Japan to North Korea," adds the Korea Report's Pyon. U.S. policymakers may wish to find out.
Yea before we piss away billions...someone tell the Clueless One to get a clue
30415. thoughtful - 3/21/2002 12:11:06 PM
So $70 million later, they still can't pin a thing on the clinton's about whitewater...their lawyer calls it the most expensive exoneration in history. That didn't stop them from taking a final jab at hillary though saying they lied.
here
30416. jexster - 3/21/2002 12:15:32 PM
The Ballistic Missile Threat
By Colonel Daniel Smith, USA (Ret.)
Chief of Research CDI
30417. Julius Caesar - 3/21/2002 12:15:42 PM
Jexster
When I was there (Bush/Clinton), the faculty - like most faculties - was liberal, but so much of law school is akin to trade school, it wasn't anything approaching West coast liberalism. Since no one gives up their posts, I assume the tenured faculty is still liberal (Zuckman and Noone are still there). That said, I actually