American Politics, pt. 9
6108. Macnas - 2/14/2003 3:21:07 AM Whats with the italics?
6109. Macnas - 2/14/2003 3:22:15 AM
Help! I'm being italicated and I don'nt know why!
6110. magoseph - 2/14/2003 8:38:37 AM
Here, Mac!
6111. magoseph - 2/14/2003 8:39:14 AM
Let's see.
6112. magoseph - 2/14/2003 8:39:48 AM
6113. magoseph - 2/14/2003 8:40:55 AM
So I did this
6114. alistairConnor - 2/14/2003 8:53:11 AM
OK so you can save the Irish from being Italicised...
But can you save the Iraqis from being Americanised?
6115. magoseph - 2/14/2003 9:06:34 AM
It's probably better than being franchised.
6116. jexster - 2/14/2003 10:55:10 AM
HANS BLIX stands tall before the lofty mast - Inspections Have Revealed Nothing That Substantially Contradicts Iraqi Declarations - Recent Actions Comply With UNMOVIC Request for Active Cooperation - US/BRITAIN ("OTHER GOVERNMENTS") NOT FULLY COMPLYING WITH RES 1441 REQUIREMENTS TO SUPPLY INTEL
6117. jexster - 2/14/2003 11:10:13 AM
"If Bloody Bush wants to go to war in a few weeks, this report isn't a good way to start it" Gen Barry McCaffery
6118. jexster - 2/14/2003 11:12:35 AM
Du Gamla, Du Fria
Du gamla, du fria, du fjällhöga Nord,
Du tysta, du glädjerika sköna!
Jag hälsar dig, vänaste land uppå jord,
Din sol, din himmel, dina ängder gröna.
Din sol, din himmel, dina ängder gröna.
Du tronar på minnen från fornstora da'r,
då ärat ditt namn flög över jorden.
Jag vet att du är och du blir, vad du var.
Ja, jag vill leva, jag vill dö i Norden.
Ja, jag vill leva, jag vill dö i Norden.
Translation
Thou Ancient, Thou Free
You ancient, free and mountainous North,
Of quiet, joyful beauty,
I greet you, loveliest land on earth,
Your sun, your sky, your green meadows.
Your sun, your sky, your green meadows.
You are throned on memories of olden days
When the honour of your name spread over the earth.
I know that you are and will remain what you were.
Oh, may I live, may die in the Nordic North
6119. jexster - 2/14/2003 12:21:15 PM
I don't think the networks are going to even bother covering Powell after Blix's devastating report...
Poor PantyWaist, he just a Buffalo Soldier
In the heart of America
Stolen from Africa, brought to America
Said he was fighting on arrival
Fighting for survival
Said he was a Buffalo Soldier
Win the war for America
6120. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/14/2003 12:30:08 PM
6121. jexster - 2/14/2003 1:14:24 PM
VATICAN CITY - Strong war opponent Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II held a private meeting with a top Iraqi leader Friday, urging the government of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) to commit fully to U.N. weapons inspections in hopes of averting a U.S.-led attack.
The pontiff's hopeful words came hours before chief U.N. inspector Hans Blix reported to the Security Council that his team had so far not found weapons of mass destruction. He spoke at a meeting that could determine whether the United States gets U.N. backing for a possible military action.
The pope met with Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz for about 30 minutes Friday, gripping the Iraqi's hand firmly at the end. "God bless you. God bless Iraq," John Paul said.
6122. jexster - 2/14/2003 1:34:40 PM
"Let me first tell ya. We're winning the "war" on terror" Moron King chuckles as if to say "You may not believe it but..."
I am gonna go get some duct tape.
6123. jexster - 2/14/2003 2:29:40 PM
"White House; Use of Force can be avoided"
Just as I have said - the only way to deal with Bush is to say FUCK YOU
6124. jexster - 2/14/2003 2:37:06 PM
Mysterium fidei "God bless Iraq" J2P2
6125. judithathome - 2/14/2003 2:44:32 PM
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. . . . All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
(Hermann Goering, interviewed by a writer just before his suicide while awaiting trial at Nuremberg)
6126. jexster - 2/14/2003 3:35:37 PM
God bless Iraq!
The Vatican repeated "the necessity of faithfully respecting, with concrete commitments, the resolutions of the United Nations (news - web sites) Security Council, guarantor of international legality."
The statement, by papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls, concluded by saying the Catholic Church would continue working for peace and coexistence of peoples.
The pontiff has been one of the most vocal opponents of the possible military action, saying in the past that war against Iraq would be a "defeat for humanity." The Vatican has insisted that a preventive war has no legal or moral justification.
While in Italy, Aziz, a Chaldean Christian, also planned to participate in a prayer ceremony with Franciscan friars in Assisi.
6127. jexster - 2/14/2003 3:37:42 PM
That's EXCELLENT JAH.......Has such a familiar ring to it.....why I can hear the echo now
Zan
Edmundo
Al D
Time of the Troubles
The Faux concern
6128. AceofSpades - 2/14/2003 3:40:53 PM
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. . . . All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- William Shakespeare, Sonnet 103 ("The people can always be brought to do the bidding of their leaders.../")
6129. concerned - 2/14/2003 3:49:32 PM
Re. 6125 -
Who says France and Germany are peacemakers, with just about the worst war records on the planet? What they really are are losers.
6130. concerned - 2/14/2003 3:51:26 PM
France and Germany can hardly tell the difference between freedom and oppression, and they are as likely to choose oppression when they can. And we're supposed to accept their counsel?
Muwahahaha!
6131. AceofSpades - 2/14/2003 3:55:49 PM
Sorry... we just had soooooo much fun with The Mote's resident William Shakespeare experts.
Check this out!
Some samples:
Me:
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning."
-- William Shakespeare
"Who let the dogs out?"
-- William Shakespeare
Edmund Dantes:
"We say and say we all of noble peace /To give sweet peace a chance would chance us well."
Hamlet, "William Shakespeare"
Edmund Dantes:
"War, hunh, good God y'all, what is it good for?"
Macbeth--William Shakespeare
Me:
"I like big butts and I cannot lie/
You otha brothas can't deny/
/that when those Daisy Dukes ride up high/
You get sprung-- /
m-m-m-me so horney...
Baby got back, forsooth."
--William Shakespeare, A Midnsummer Night's Booty Call
Dick Stensland:
One day Governor Burns said to me, "Bob, why are you here first, and why do you leave last?" I said, "Governor, I'm going to do good things."
Polonius, Hamlet (II, ii, 115-117)
Me:
"2 legit
2 legit 2 quit
hey-heyyyyyy...
2 legit
2 legit 2 quit
hey-heyyyyyy...
"
-- Chorale for Mozart's Symphony Nr. 41 ("The Jupiter Symphony")
Me:
Here I am
Rock you like a Hurricane
-- Dante, The Inferno, Quatro 16, Third Canto
TabouliJones --
Blinded by the light
Wrapped up like a douche, a little odor in the night
-- Chaucer, The Canterbury Tales
6132. AceofSpades - 2/14/2003 3:56:40 PM
Me:
She had a fast machine
She kept her motor clean
She was the best damn woman that I ever seen
-- Percy Bysshe Shelley, Ode to Beauty
TabouliJones:
I smoted him, I smoted him good
-- Al Gore quoting Genesis 8:19-36 when asked about his performance in the first Bush/Gore presidential debate
Me (x2):
It's OPP, time other people's what you get it
There's no room for relationship there's just room to hit it
How many brothers out there know just what I'm gettin' at
Who thinks it's wrong 'cos I'm splittin' and co-hittin' at
Well if you do, that's OPP and you're not down with it
But if you don't, here's your membership
You down with OPP
(Yeah you know me)
You down with OPP
(Yeah you know me)
You down with OPP
(Yeah you know me)
Who down with OPP?
(Every last homie)
--The Horse-Whisperer
Well let's bungle
in the jungle
Well that's all right with me
I'm a tiger when I want love
I'm a snake if we disagree
--Rudyard Kipling, Kim
6133. Cellar Door - 2/14/2003 3:58:43 PM
Good grief! What brought Ace back? "Perfect World" not so perfect?
6134. judithathome - 2/14/2003 4:03:59 PM
Check it out, acehole:
Urban Legends
The notable difference here is that although the Caesar quote is a latter-day fabrication, the words attributed to Hermann Goering are real. Goering was one of the highest-ranking Nazis who survived to be captured and put on trial for war crimes in the city of Nuremberg by the Allies after the end of World War II. He was found guilty on charges of "war crimes," "crimes against peace," and "crimes against humanity" by the Nuremberg tribunal and sentenced to death by hanging. The sentence could not be carried out, however, because Goering committed suicide with smuggled cyanide capsules hours before his execution, scheduled for 15 October 1946.
6135. judithathome - 2/14/2003 4:05:20 PM
No Cellar, the joke is on him...this quote is real and he will likely not be back to check that fact; he certainly won't bother to mention it to his cronies, either.
6136. AceofSpades - 2/14/2003 4:09:35 PM
No, William Shakespeare said it. Barbra Streisand said so.
"sticks
and stones
may break
my bones
but names
will never
hurt me."
-- Alexander Pope, Treatise on the Power of Name-Calling
6137. judithathome - 2/14/2003 4:28:19 PM
Ah, Ace...you have the wrong quote. I messed up on the Barbra Sreisand quote and admitted it at the time but this is not the same one. Did you even read the link I provided?
Not that you give a rat's ass.
6138. jexster - 2/14/2003 5:04:03 PM
Dow Surges on News of Blix Body Blow to Bloody Bush War
6139. wonkers2 - 2/14/2003 5:04:11 PM
The Cap'n sez "Shiver me timbers look who's back, if'n ain't Ace. That'll rile up the waters a bit."
6140. jexster - 2/14/2003 5:05:57 PM
God Bless Iraq
Now perhaps its too much to hope but maybe, with the Pope's intercession, we can put this mess aside for a while and focus on the many and varied failures of a failed presidency and coming national malaise
6141. jexster - 2/14/2003 5:07:57 PM
Ace - got Osama?
got duct tape?
6142. jexster - 2/14/2003 5:10:57 PM
300 cities - 10,000,000 demonstrators against Bush War this weekend....
Storm moving in here Sat morning...hopefully we'll be on the backside by 11 on Sunday..God willing that is and God bless Iraq
6143. wabbit - 2/14/2003 5:29:07 PM
It's nice to be back to the FBI again.
President speaks at FBI on new Terrorist Threat Integration Center
6144. Cellar Door - 2/14/2003 6:57:28 PM
connie's gonna just LOVE this!
6145. concerned - 2/14/2003 7:19:55 PM
Re. 6142 -
Sometimes it seems the ideological Left has always succeeded in presenting themselves as being a waste and hindrance.
6146. concerned - 2/14/2003 7:22:13 PM
Re. 6144 -
You know, I have some ungodly password (I'm the 478,326'th person with my last name & first initials that has registered there, it seems) that I have a hard time remembering at that site. Can you excerpt?
6147. magoseph - 2/14/2003 7:29:17 PM
Is that it?
Whitewater Revisited
To the Editor:
I appreciated the correction that appeared in The Times on Feb. 2 regarding Beverly Lowry's review of my book, ''The Woman Who Wouldn't Talk'' (Jan. 26), in which she had said that Kenneth Starr convicted me ''on charges of obstruction of justice and criminal contempt.'' In fact, the jury refused to convict me on any of these charges, and this outcome was a clear rebuke to Starr. But I would like to respond to several other statements in the review.
Lowry wrote of Bill Clinton that ''the future president was governor and the McDougals owned a bank and a savings and loan'' at the time of the investment in Whitewater. Actually, Bill Clinton was not then governor, and Jim McDougal and I were not then in the banking business. The latter point might have passed without comment had she not gone on to state that ''the Clintons took part in Whitewater and irrefutably they and the McDougals trampled on some rights.'' I am baffled by the reference to ''trampled on some rights,'' and wonder if Lowry has discovered something that Ken Starr, backed by tens of millions of dollars of prosecutorial power, could not.
Finally, Lowry described the embezzlement charges brought against me in California by Nancy and Zubin Mehta. However, she neglected to mention that I was found not guilty on all counts. Indeed, after the trial, jurors expressed outrage that the case had even come to court.
I wrote my book in hopes of showing the public what really went on during the Whitewater investigation, and to give voice to the often voiceless women I met in prison. It is in the same vein that I appreciate the opportunity to set the record straight.
Susan McDougal
Camden, Ark.
6148. jexster - 2/14/2003 8:20:21 PM
Here's a scary thought...from a friend:
One of my correspondents is taking bets around his office as to when the first American strikes on Iraq will take place. Sentiment heavily favors initial attacks this Sunday during the wee hours. The thinking is that Monday's holiday will provide an ideal cushion against a negative
response by the markets, and many of my friend's colleagues have bought into the Administration's rumored objective of capturing Saddam within 48 hours. Any bets, guys?
TORA TORA BORA???
6149. jexster - 2/14/2003 9:03:26 PM
Only 38% of the public thinks Bush knows what he is doing on the economy...
When you cannot find Osama
Bomb Iraq
When the polls head for the crapper
Bomb Iraq
6150. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/14/2003 9:05:49 PM
[Tyrants] "Decrease not, but grow faster than the years"
Happy VD Ace!
6151. jexster - 2/14/2003 9:07:57 PM
Here's one just for you Ace:
the U.S. commentariat, with few exceptions, describes Mr. Bush as a decisive leader who really gets to grips with problems. Tough-guy rhetoric aside, this image seems to be based on the following policy — as opposed to political — achievements: (1) The overthrow of the Taliban; (2) . . . any suggestions for 2?
In the days ahead, as the diplomatic confrontation between the Bush administration and the Europeans escalates, remember this: Viewed from the outside, Mr. Bush's America does not look like a regime whose promises you can trust.
Any suggestions for #2 little man?
6152. jexster - 2/14/2003 11:02:15 PM
How about a quote from "Green Eggs and Ham" in a post from the Bush Buttboy?
6153. jexster - 2/14/2003 11:08:57 PM
Guess Ace didn't like that....too bad...I do so love to fuck him up
Maybe he'll like this better...so come out, come out wherever you are.....I wanna play
[Reuters] FRANCE, RUSSIA GET LOUD APPLAUSE
Breaking protocol, delegates sitting in the gallery of the Security Council chamber applauded first French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin and then Russia's Igor Ivanov, prompting German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, chairman of the meeting, to call for order.
There was no applause for Powell's comments.
I'm just a Buffalo Soldier
In the heart of America
Stolen from Africa, brought to America
Said he was fighting on arrival
Fighting for survival
Said he was a Buffalo Soldier
Win the war for America
6154. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/15/2003 1:17:12 AM
6155. concerned - 2/15/2003 2:51:56 AM
Applause is 'news'? Jexster must be getting desperate to find something to back up his viewpoint.
6156. concerned - 2/15/2003 2:56:39 AM
Why is this thread continuing to be cluttered with Iraq spam by jex?
6157. Trouble - 2/15/2003 3:48:54 AM
MSNBC viewers got a lively hour Wednesday night/late afternoon as Donahue came live from Los Angeles at 5pm PST/8pm EST with Dennis Miller as the guest for the hour. So much good stuff, but only so much time to transcribe it. But we got down some of the best parts.
Miller so flustered Donahue that he went on a rant about how people like Miller are trying to “marginalize” liberals. Becoming a parody of himself, Donahue whined about how “you’re making us to be some sort of wimpy kind of people who, woo, woo, we don’t get it. We don’t see evil. We think everything is a nice fairy tale. That is an attempt to marginalize us.”
Donahue also claimed to be a conservative Republican: “We do not think one man should have the Army, Navy, and Marines to send the war all by himself and without the advice and consent of Congress as the Constitution calls us, upon us to do. That makes me conservative. I’m for the Constitution. I would make a good Republican.”
When Donahue charged that dropping “incendiary devices on a crowded city at night where old people and children are sleeping” will give “Osama a poster for recruiting more angry young Islamic militants,” an incredulous Miller fired back: “Oh, you believe he needs that, Phil? Do you really believe that he needs that?”
Miller's best two humorous zingers of the night:
-- On the New York Times: “If only Saddam Hussein would open an all-male country club somewhere in Iraq, so the Times could get behind this invasion.”
-- On Osama bin Laden: “I think that he made a fatal error when he said that he didn’t approve of drinking wine or adultery. Because now the French and Clinton are on board.”
6158. jexster - 2/15/2003 6:20:16 AM
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. RES. 32
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 29, 2003
Mr. KENNEDY (for himself and Mr. BYRD ) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations
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RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the Senate with respect to the actions the President should take before any use of military force against Iraq without the broad support of the international community.
Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that, before the President uses military force against Iraq without the broad support of the international community, the President should--
(1) provide full support to the United Nations weapons inspectors to facilitate their ongoing disarmament work; and
(2) obtain approval by Congress of new legislation authorizing the President to use all necessary means, including the use of military force, to disarm Iraq .
Write your congressthing....ask her to cosponsor this or the companion HRes
6159. jexster - 2/15/2003 11:14:14 AM
Not Your Parents' Protesters in Iraq Fight
Many of the latest brand of antiwar activists are first-timers from a wide spectrum of society. It's far different from the Vietnam-era mix
"We're not going to be the silent majority any longer," she recalled thinking.
The Latts plan to march again today, this time with Jenna's mother in tow. "She's real angry," Latt said of her mother.
6160. jexster - 2/15/2003 11:15:14 AM
Link
6161. jexster - 2/15/2003 11:18:17 AM
"You haven't lived until you have heard 'We Shall Overcome' sung in Arabic," National Council of Churches General Secretary Rev. Robert Edgar.
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God bless Iraq
6162. jexster - 2/15/2003 11:18:39 AM
Toys
6163. judithathome - 2/15/2003 11:38:22 AM
If anyone has a subscription to Salon, and is so inclined, read Senator Robert Bryd's speech that is featured in Salon's Premium section. It's called "A Haunting Silence" and is very very good...yes, I know, Robert Bryd, yada yada yada with usual conservative snarking about him...I don't care. In this speech, he is dead on in his critcism of his fellow Democrats.
6164. jexster - 2/15/2003 12:20:13 PM
If you don't have a Salon subs. try The Senator's website!
The Administration's Dangerous Wartime Rhetoric
Reckless Administration May Reap Dangerous Consequences
6165. jexster - 2/15/2003 12:21:29 PM
CNN has correspondent's all over the world covering the 600+ demonstrations...the world has NEVER seen anything like this.
6166. judithathome - 2/15/2003 12:21:37 PM
Thanks, Jex..that's it.
6167. judithathome - 2/15/2003 12:21:45 PM
Thanks, Jex..that's it.
6168. jexster - 2/15/2003 12:22:05 PM
Bush is running out of time, not Saddam
6169. Trouble - 2/15/2003 1:02:20 PM
300 people show in NYC for anti-war demonstration and CNN does 15 minutes hyping it.
Click! Time to find that switcher.
6170. judithathome - 2/15/2003 1:04:43 PM
Got your hip waders on? It's that deep in here now.
300 people....riiiight.
6171. judithathome - 2/15/2003 1:08:09 PM
Where's our intrepid reporter from the babershop in downtown Podunk, MidAmerica? Joezan must need a haircut by now; he usually times them so he can amble by the local protesters and send us the latest on his snappy repartee with them.
6172. judithathome - 2/15/2003 1:11:52 PM
People in NYC can't even GET to the main protest site because the crowds are so huge...the overflow sites are filling the streets so much, people can't even get near the main site. Take your "300" and stuff it.
6173. robertjayb - 2/15/2003 2:47:49 PM
Every bad thing; I mean every bad thing---is Clinton's fault...(Krauthammer)
You don't get to a place like this overnight. It takes at least, oh, a decade. We now pay the wages of the 1990s, our holiday from history. Every major challenge to America was deferred. Chief aim of the Clinton administration was to make sure nothing terrible happened on its watch. Accordingly, every can was kicked down the road...
6174. jexster - 2/15/2003 3:14:50 PM
Anti-war protesters gather near the United Nations Headquarters Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 in New York to protest Bush's War Against Iraq. Demonstrations and protest marches against the war drew millions of people in cities around the world Saturday.
God bless Iraq
6175. jexster - 2/15/2003 3:35:52 PM
59th & Third
Just down the street from where I had an apt 59/Park
6176. jexster - 2/15/2003 3:36:40 PM
Looks as if they had "feeder" marches all over the place...that's a hike from the UN
6177. Cellar Door - 2/15/2003 3:42:07 PM
Amazing! Only 300 people in that picture.
6178. jexster - 2/15/2003 4:03:04 PM
Before a shot is fired King Moron has millions of people all over the world hating him enough to march in the dead of winter.
He has managed to squander all of the good will felt for this country post 9-11 and beyond that turn the good will into hatred.
That takes SOME doing.
That takes a MORON
6179. Trouble - 2/15/2003 4:33:05 PM
A war of words on the French
By Jennifer HarperTHE WASHINGTON TIMES
Not much ooh-la-la out there, and very few bon mots. There are a lot of weasels, though, some monkeys, a rat and one poodle.
The French are not doing well in the American press. The New York Post cover featured a doctored color photo yesterday, depicting French and German delegates to the United Nations as a pair of weasels in fancy suits.
"Weasels to hear new Iraq evidence," the Post proclaimed. The paper also suggested that an ostrich was "the national bird of France" and earlier coined the term "axis of weasels." That phrase suffered in translation in the French press, translated as "axe des faux jetons," which means "axis of devious characters."
Weasel, in the meantime, is the current word of choice to describe European allies who undermine U.S. determination to disarm Iraq — "weasel unilateralism," as the Wall Street Journal put it yesterday.
Weasel has gotten as much play in the past 48 hours as "duct tape," and journalists haven't had this much fun since "Osama Yo' Mama"-style headlines surfaced after the September 11 terrorist attacks.
There have been some serious side effects, however. Rep. H. James Saxton, New Jersey Republican, has drafted a resolution that calls for a U.S. boycott of the Paris Air Show this spring. House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, Illinois Republican, has called for a boycott of French wine and bottled water.
6180. Trouble - 2/15/2003 4:35:14 PM
A growing Yankee boycott of French cheeses is evidence of the "fast-ripening stink over Iraq currently souring Franco-U.S. relations," according to one British account. Things are getting downright inventive in the press, meanwhile.
"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys," a phrase borrowed from "The Simpsons" cartoon show, recently surfaced in the National Review magazine and has been echoed in the global media for days. The French and Germans have been called "an alliance of wimps," while Belgium rated the title "mini-me minion."
6181. Trouble - 2/15/2003 4:37:28 PM
John Gibson of Fox News Channel theorized that the Belgians had joined in with France and Germany because their army "was too old and too fat to fight anybody."
In the Wall Street Journal, French President Jacques Chirac was called "the rat that tried to roar," while The Washington Post used the term "oily" to describe French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin.
"Next time the French need their chestnuts pulled from the fire, it either will or will not be in our interest to do it. If not: Hard cheese, Jacques," Human Events, a conservative newsweekly, stated yesterday, suggesting France change its tri-colored flag — removing the red and blue, but leaving the white.
The foreign press, of course, has increased its anti-American invective, bandying about terms such as "bullies" and "cowboys." One British tabloid published its own trick photo yesterday, depicting President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair on the verge of a kiss.
6182. Cellar Door - 2/15/2003 4:37:44 PM
MASSIVE TURNOUT IN SUPPORT OF BUSH!!!
Just look at those pictures. The camera doesn't lie!
6183. Trouble - 2/15/2003 4:38:18 PM
The American media has also come under fire, accused of being a White House lapdog that likes "its tummy tickled." The National Journal rebuffed the charge yesterday with a column titled "The Poodle Speaks." The Paris media have reported on the anti-French vitriol emanating through the American and British press with an air of bemused incomprehension. "The French don't have a very good press in the United States these days," the left-wing daily Liberation wrote Monday. The conservative daily Le Figaro echoed pride in France's long tradition of Cartesian logic when it praised Mr. Villepin's plan for reinforced arms inspections in Iraq.
"Even if it worsens French-American relations, the attempt is in any event quite logical," the paper said. Pascal Boniface, a leading French world-affairs analyst, said Americans suffered from a Francophobia as bad as the anti-Americanism that's politically correct in France. "I was in the United States last week and couldn't turn on the television without hearing nonsense about France," he said.
But there is some method to the madness in the American and French media, said Robert Steele of the Florida-based Poynter Institute, a press-watchdog group. "C'est la vie," Mr. Steele said yesterday. "Journalists use sharp satire as entrees into very serious subjects. Humor can engage readers. But caricature should have some purpose."
The press should retain some thoughtfulness and civility after chuckles cease, he said. "I don't say there's no place for humor," Mr. Steele said. "But eventually, laughs don't make us any smarter on topics as serious as terrorism and war."
6184. Cellar Door - 2/15/2003 4:39:05 PM
VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
6185. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/15/2003 4:44:08 PM
. . . and DUCT TAPE!!!
6186. arkymalarky - 2/15/2003 5:39:47 PM
Chief aim of the Clinton administration was to make sure nothing terrible happened on its watch.
Too bad that hasn't been the chief aim of Bush. I guess you could change "nothing" to "everything."
6187. jexster - 2/15/2003 6:12:14 PM
Amazing how one person could be so inept.
Millions everywhere all over the planet before the first refugee, the first death, the first bullet...
Only a fucking Moron could manage that...and they were all protesting HIM!
6188. jexster - 2/15/2003 6:13:37 PM
Good one Arky...It takes a Moron to argue against peace, prosperity at home and affection for this country abroad
6189. jexster - 2/15/2003 8:32:25 PM
Since it didn't seem he liked JAH's quote from Herm Goering, maybe Ace will enjoy:
Now, we talked to Joan Hanover. She and her husband, George, were visiting with us. They are near retirement—retiring—in the process of retiring, meaning they're very smart, active, capable people who are retirement age and are retiring. —Alexandria, Va., Feb. 12, 2003.
6190. jexster - 2/15/2003 8:32:56 PM
No wonder millions are in the streets in the dead of winter
6191. jexster - 2/15/2003 8:50:03 PM
An Open Letter to the People of Europe
Please sign this letter thanking our friends in Europe and asking them to stand in solidarity with us this weekend against the Bush administration's push to make war on Iraq
6192. jexster - 2/15/2003 8:55:17 PM
6193. concerned - 2/15/2003 11:47:45 PM
Kerry Undergoes Prostate Surgery
Not an encouraging sign for his chances at a presidential candidacy.
6194. concerned - 2/16/2003 12:00:49 AM
'What, me worry?'
Dennis, the Red Menace, plans to run for president.
6195. robertjayb - 2/16/2003 12:13:01 AM
The painful parts of Washington history have often been about men trying harder to save face than lives...(Maureen Dowd)...
6196. concerned - 2/16/2003 12:21:46 AM
Oh, boy. Moron Pan Dowdy.
6197. concerned - 2/16/2003 12:30:57 AM
Re. 6147 -
As you probably know, Starr obtained 14 convictions in the Whitewater investigation which also uncovered evidence whcih led to x42 being impeached.
When anybody asks, 'Is that all?', I figure they're either being disingenuous or are just ignorant.
6198. jexster - 2/16/2003 10:24:48 AM
US Military Feeling Strain of Bush's Perpetual War for Empire
6199. jexster - 2/16/2003 10:31:38 AM
The Pentagon is now so superior militarily that it really does not like to fight alongside its allies -- it feels they slow U.S. forces down. Yet the United States still needs allies, said retired Army Lt. Col. Andrew F. Krepinevich Jr., director of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, "for forward basing, niche capabilities we find valuable, and to take care of the peacekeeping" that follows each war.
If the United States keeps pursuing military hegemony, Krepinevich and others fear, it will alienate its allies and become weaker in the long run.
The same point of course made by Wallerstein in the Eagle Has Crash Landed and others listed in my "over" post a few weeks back..
He the retire Lt.Col. a double dipping Marxist???
6200. arkymalarky - 2/16/2003 1:00:26 PM
Well, I will agree with you on one thing, Concerned, and that is that the Justice Department won't find anything nearing that on Bush and Cheney. In fact, I'll venture to say they won't find anything at all.
6201. judithathome - 2/16/2003 1:09:09 PM
I think you are 100% on the money on that one, Arky.
6202. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/16/2003 2:21:36 PM
6203. jexster - 2/16/2003 7:34:16 PM
Over 200,000 in SF
"Mourning Mothers" held dolls intended to look like dead children as they protested any Bush invasion of Iraq
6204. jexster - 2/16/2003 7:34:59 PM
6205. jexster - 2/16/2003 7:35:43 PM
6206. jexster - 2/16/2003 7:36:49 PM
A Fine Use for Duct Tape!
6207. Cellar Door - 2/16/2003 7:38:18 PM
Mystery Lesbian Speaks at Last!
6208. jexster - 2/16/2003 7:54:50 PM
I must say Cllr that for a town that can't support a football team and that goes to its Dodgers games in the third, leaves in the 7th inning, 100,000+ is quite an achievement!
GOD BLESS IRAQ!
Hundreds of thousands cram SF's Civic Center and UN Plaza's to protest Bloody Bush's War Against Iraq
6209. jexster - 2/16/2003 8:01:16 PM
Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators marching against George Bush make their way along Market Street toward Civic Center/UN Plazas
6210. jexster - 2/16/2003 8:06:04 PM
Well-wishers greeted Joan Baez as she marched along Market Street.
6211. jexster - 2/16/2003 8:07:42 PM
Bonny Rait & Danny Glover Lead March Against Bush's War
6212. jexster - 2/16/2003 8:26:38 PM
CBS MarketWatch: Bush's Fiscal policy is a disaster waiting to happen. It will raise interest rates, stifle, then cripple the economy. Alan Greenspan put it plainly and you have to wonder why the major US media hasn't stated the obvious just as plainly"
When you don't know what the fuck you're doing
Bomb Iraq!
6213. jexster - 2/16/2003 8:48:12 PM
Da noive!
Osama Bin Laden called our King "stoopid"
Got Osama?
Got Anthrax?
Got Duct Tape?
Bomb Iraq!
6214. vonKreedon - 2/16/2003 11:37:30 PM
Heard Wesley Clark on Russert and was very impressed by his straightforward, well thought out and clearly stated positions. If he runs for President he may force the other Dems to grow at least the semblance of balls and take actual positions on the issues.
6215. arkymalarky - 2/16/2003 11:40:39 PM
Think you can stand another Arky Democrat Rhodes Scholar? ;-)
6216. wonkers2 - 2/16/2003 11:53:29 PM
Wesley Clark would make a good Vice Presidential candidate for the Democrat nominee. How about Kerry and Clark?
6217. vonKreedon - 2/16/2003 11:58:01 PM
Kerry hasn't been demonstrating the courage of his convictions and he comes across as even more boring than Gore. At this point I don't see a Dem who has the presence that is going to be needed to defeat Bush; Clark seemed in at least this one interview to have that presence.
6218. wonkers2 - 2/17/2003 12:00:27 AM
Well, what about the governor of Vermont, good old what's his name. That would be a ticket with a lot of brain power.
6219. vonKreedon - 2/17/2003 12:00:44 AM
After watching Russert, my wife and I had this image of Rove gnashing his teeth over Russert's positioning Clark immediately after Rice. It was one of those moments where Rice looked and sounded good for the administration, but then Clark just looked all the better for looking and sounding better than Rice.
6220. vonKreedon - 2/17/2003 12:01:38 AM
Yeah, Dean, I've read and heard good things about him, but haven't yet seen him in a media test like Russert.
6221. wonkers2 - 2/17/2003 12:03:24 AM
I was at the Michigan Democratic convention yesterday and Kerry was the only candidate with a booth there. It was manned by two very personable and enthusiastic young college student or recent grad types. They were signing up quite a few supporters judging from their sign-up sheets.
6222. wonkers2 - 2/17/2003 12:05:04 AM
I saw Rice on Fox but missed Clark. He does come across well on television. I remember that from the Bosnian campaign.
6223. wonkers2 - 2/17/2003 12:05:59 AM
He's so much smarter than most of the generals and admirals in the Pentagon that it's pitiful.
6224. ronski - 2/17/2003 8:47:21 AM
Dean has been tested and found wanting. Even though I disagree with him on many things he is sort of a hometown favorite for me (not that I would be likely to vote Democrat), given my time spent in Vermont. Everybody up there knows him, including my brother.
I doubt Clark will go anywhere, but he is the most interesting possibility in the race.
But I don't think Lieberman should be underestimated.
6225. vonKreedon - 2/17/2003 9:55:15 AM
Ron - Tell me more about Dean's testing and failure.
6226. judithathome - 2/17/2003 10:30:40 AM
Dean is almost too sure of his ideas and came across in one interview I saw as scarily so...you have to remember you are talking about Democrats, who, for the past two years have shown absolutely no spine at all. They will be terrified of a snapping puppy and much more so of a full grown, determined St. Bernard set on saving the country.
He was impressive, to me, but I'm ready for someone to step up to the plate and call this administration on some of the things they are getting away with.
6227. jexster - 2/17/2003 11:02:58 AM
Butcher of Baghdad's Military Buildup Strains US Public Safety
God bless Iraq
6228. jexster - 2/17/2003 11:04:25 AM
I like Kerry and Clark. I like anyone and Clark better than what we have now, even Lieberman and Clark.
What we have now is mental and incompetent
6229. jexster - 2/17/2003 11:06:28 AM
Dean to Slam Bush War
6230. judithathome - 2/17/2003 11:21:43 AM
Dean charges that congressional Democrats, including three who are running for president, helped give Bush "a green light to drive our nation into conflict" last fall by supporting a resolution authorizing war against Iraq even without the support of the United Nations. Dean says he would have opposed that resolution.
"That the president was given open-ended authority to go to war in Iraq resulted from a failure of too many in my party in Washington who postured for position instead of standing on principle," Dean says.
This is not the sort of thing the Democrats want to hear even though it's waht they NEED to hear.
6231. ronski - 2/17/2003 1:26:09 PM
vonKreedon,
Dean's appearances on the talk shows did not elicit rave reviews from the punditocracy even though the media has been delighted by his candidacy.
And though he has been campaigning vigorously in the important caucus and primary states for quite a while now, he is still nowhere in the polls. I think it would take a miracle for him to go anywhere, but of course many people, myself included, have always suspected that he was angling for a VP spot.
You'll recall that it was being lieutenant governor that gave him the top spot in Vermont when the incumbent governor dropped dead.
But there is something intriguing about a pro-gun, anti-war candidate in the Democratic party primaries.
6232. jexster - 2/17/2003 2:29:59 PM
Californians march against war - Guardian UK
A day after demonstrators around the world had turned out to protest US and British plans to attack Iraq, Californians arrived fashionably late yesterday and swamped the streets of San Francisco in one of the largest rallies yet seen in the US against the war.
Between 150,000 and 250,000 people attended the march, carrying placards, chalking the city squares with peace signs and lying in the road to symbolise dead Iraqi civilians. One picket pictured Tony Blair being pulled along by a pit bull terrier in a George Bush mask, denouncing "mad dogs and Englishmen".
The US city best known for its counter-culture movement in the 1960s had postponed its demonstration by one day to allow the popular Chinese new year celebrations to take place on Saturday. But being a day late did not deter the chanting protestors, who filled 12 large city blocks stretching from the waterfront to City Hall.
Bay Area anti-war coalition building the beginnings of a rainbow /Anti-war movement galvanizing minorities
Ilana Friedman takes a whack at a George W. Bush pinata, created by Latinos Contra la Guerra
6233. jexster - 2/17/2003 3:19:44 PM
WASHINGTON, Feb. 16 — The fracturing of the Western alliance over Iraq and the huge antiwar demonstrations around the world this weekend are reminders that there may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion.
In his campaign to disarm Iraq, by war if necessary, President Bush appears to be eyeball to eyeball with a tenacious new adversary: millions of people who flooded the streets of New York and dozens of other world cities to say they are against war based on the evidence at hand.
The People v. the Moron
A New Power in the Streets
6234. Cellar Door - 2/17/2003 4:29:52 PM
Media Whores Online Pop Quiz:
>Q: What do all of these men have in common?
>David Brock
>Miguel Estrada
>Frank Bruni
>Matt Drudge
6235. robertjayb - 2/17/2003 4:35:22 PM
Coming soon to the whole freakin' country: The Bush Legacy!
AUSTIN - AP - An estimated 5,000 students would be denied free college tuition promised to them by the state because of cuts designed to ease a projected $10 billion budget shortfall, lawmakers were told today.
Texas Higher Education Commissioner Don Brown told members of the House Appropriations Committee that budget cuts would mean the Texas Grant scholarship program would not be able to provide aid to all of the estimated 80,000 students who will be eligible in 2004-05.
6236. arkymalarky - 2/17/2003 9:18:42 PM
We did that to ours, too, though the governor's saying it will be brought back. We'll see.
6237. wonkers2 - 2/18/2003 12:10:32 AM
It's pretty clear that our "compassionate" conservative president is out to cut taxes for the rich and gut federal government programs that benefit the elderly, minorities and the poor in this country, and those that protect the environment as well.
6238. thoughtful - 2/18/2003 12:40:56 PM
Kristof has a point
"Finally, Iraq. Mr. Bush and his aides, like Bobby Kennedy, dream things that never were and say why not. Mr. Bush imagines the transformative effect that a democratic, stable and prospering Iraq would have on the entire Arab world.
Maybe. But it would be helpful if he also had nightmares of things that never were, to understand how policies can go wrong. It seems equally possible that invading Iraq will trigger precisely the scenario we fear — Saddam handing out anthrax or even smallpox to terrorists — and that our invasion will lead thousands of young Arabs to join Al Qaeda. Instead of becoming safer, we could be in a more perilous state than ever."
6239. jexster - 2/18/2003 1:20:36 PM
Calling all Wilsonian naifs!
Mr. Bush's Liberal Problem
The president is sinking into an ineffectual foreign policy idealism just as the left seems to be growing out of it
The man has become a menance to us and to the world
6240. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/18/2003 1:38:03 PM
6241. wonkers2 - 2/18/2003 5:46:29 PM
Rove and Divine. Where do you get the cool ideas? But, of course, it's grossly unfair to Divine!
6242. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/18/2003 6:03:46 PM
Well wonk, in wartime, we must all make sacrifices.
I happened to spot a video of "Pink Flamingos" and the big forehead made me think of Boy Genius and how effeminately wimpy Rove's face is.
6243. jexster - 2/18/2003 11:52:17 PM
The Bush War Machine - The Pentagon is Leaking Again...
US plan for new nuclear arsenal
Secret talks may lead to breaking treaties
6244. jexster - 2/19/2003 12:07:14 AM
In the interest of intelligent debate and lively discussion, comments are welcome (especially from Eddie the Macho Moron) on any or all of the following points:
- If Bush were to honestly admit that the purpose of his war were Saddam from power, he would be admitting to a breach of international law and the UN charter's principles concerning non-interference in the internal affairs of another nation;
- In as much as it has always been clear and now inspections have confirmed that Saddam is neither a clear, present, imminent or grave threat to any state, especially the US, what justifies the escalation of Iraq to the top of the list of threats to world order?
- Why is the Iraqi threat greater than Al-Qaeda, North Korea, the Israel/Palestine conflict, the Indo/Pakistan arms race, southern Africa, international crime, including drug traffiking, the threat of Marxist insurrection in Columbia?
- Isn't it a fac that Iraq is by no means the only potential supplier of weapons of mass destruction to terrorists, and has no proven link with the most dangerous of them.
- Isn't it a fact that Iraq has been subjected to such a degree of international scrutiny since 1991 that it would be impossible for Iraq to mount any threat of any consequence to any nation in the region?
- Isn't it hypocritical for the US to condemn Iraq for immaterial violations of a UN resolution, yet abstain when Israel is condemned for disregarding dozens?
- Can the US be relied upon to rebuild the Iraqi state that it destroyed given its failure to provide aid in Afghantistan and likewise given its refusal to commit troops to peace enforcement because they might be unpopular following the US bombing;
There's a starter.
I'll return to disembowel any foolish enough to tackle these.
Eddie have at it! 6245. jexster - 2/19/2003 2:10:16 AM
An Incompetent, Unstable, Unreliable, & Bloodthirsty Regime Faces the World's Wrath
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Nation after nation from all parts of the globe demanded weapons inspectors have a chance to disarm Iraq peacefully, defying intentions by the United States and Britain to seek a resolution authorizing war.
Reuters Photo
AP Photo
Slideshow: Iraq and Saddam Hussein
British Leader Presses Case for Iraq War
(AP Video)
UN Chief Says War Is Not Inevitable
(AP Video)
Latest news:
• Bush: Protests Won't Change Iraq Policy
AP - 16 minutes ago
• U.S. Struggles for U.N. Support on Iraq
AP -22 minutes ago
• U.N. Inspectors Visit Iraqi Rocket Sites
AP - Tue Feb 18, 3:25 PM ET
Special Coverage
Only Australia, Japan, Argentina and Peru, in varying degrees, supported the tough U.S.-British position during 27 presentations on Tuesday by U.N. members who do not have seats on the 15-nation Security Council. Another 29 ambassadors address the council on Wednesday.
6246. jexster - 2/19/2003 11:04:26 AM
__On Feb. 26, Join the Virtual March on Washington
"MoveOn.org is hosting the online action center for the Virtual March on Washington on February 26th, sponsored by The Win Without War Coalition. Please sign up here to join us. On February 26th, every Senate office will receive a call every minute from a constituent, as they receive
a simultaneous crush of faxes and email. In Washington D.C. and Los Angeles, 'anti-war rooms' will highlight the progress of the day for national media. Local media will visit the 'anti-war room' online, to monitor this constituent march throughout the day. With your help, every
Senate office switchboard will be lit up all day with our anti-war messages. This will be a powerful reminder of the breadth and depth of opposition to a war in Iraq."
6247. jexster - 2/19/2003 11:39:36 AM
This is for Rose, Andrew Sullivans' #1 cheerleader, courtesy Howie Kurtz's column this am:
Andrew Sullivan, a big booster of Bush on the war, sees the U.S. getting stuck with a very big bill:
"The real effect of the current diplomatic train-wreck that is preceding the war against Saddam is not to derail the United States from living up to its responsibilities in enforcing vital U.N. resolutions. It is to isolate the U.S. in the post-Saddam settlement. It means that not only will this war be paid for almost entirely by Americans, with some allied support. It means that reconstruction will also have to come out of the paychecks of average Americans.
"The cost right now is incalculable. But no one believes it will be much short of crippling. And any attempt to use Iraqi oil revenues to defray the cost will not only be politically difficult, but is also dependent on Saddam's not doing all he can to sabotage the oil fields while he still can. Besides, the kind of commitment we're talking about may only last a few years in Iraq (if we're lucky) but will engage the U.S. deeply in that part of the world for at least a generation.
"Now take a look at the budget just presented to the Congress by the Bush administration. The first thing you'll notice is that there is no accounting for the cost of the coming war.
"Yes, in 2000 and after, a deflationary period probably merited some spending increases. Inflation had disappeared; the economy was in a post-bubble slump; deflation stalked the earth. But 18 percent? If a Democrat had done that, the Republicans would have been all over him. And rightly so."
Pay up suckers
6248. jexster - 2/19/2003 11:44:19 AM
6249. jexster - 2/19/2003 3:58:41 PM
America Cannot Afford George Bush
Brookings/Financial Times
This year's US budget proves that George W. Bush is no Ronald Reagan. In 1981, President Reagan signed massive tax cuts into law. The next year, realising that the budget outlook had deteriorated more than expected, he reversed about a third of the tax cut - limiting its adverse effects on the budget. Even with that adjustment, the nation suffered substantial budget deficits throughout the 1980s.
It is now clear that Mr Bush's tax cut of 2001 is also too large. In the face of pressing security needs and the coming retirement of the baby-boomers, the nation cannot afford it. Rather than reversing part of the tax cut, however, Mr Bush wants to expand it and make it permanent. The administration's budget proposes Dollars 1,460bn (Pounds 910bn) in new tax cuts over the next 10 years - and the result is unending deficits.
6250. magoseph - 2/19/2003 5:16:30 PM
Settle down and listen up
Time for a quick primer on French history. This means you, George Will
George Will saw fit to include in his latest Newsweek column this joke: "How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? No one knows, it's never been tried." That was certainly amusing. One million, four hundred thousand French soldiers were killed during World War I. As a result, there weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II. Nevertheless, 100,000 French soldiers lost their lives trying to stop Hitler.
For you, concerned. One family I know very, very well indeed, lost seven men to duty from 1914 to 1945. The last one, sent to Germany to work, came home but died shortly after from tuberculosis.
6251. jexster - 2/19/2003 5:19:56 PM
Bon. C'est vrai aussi.
6252. jexster - 2/19/2003 5:29:22 PM
I wonder how do those 1.5 million dead stack up, in both relative and absolute terms, with US dead in both wars?
Pretty damned well I bet.
But these Bush yokels are well...yokels
And George Will?
Future generations of shallow and ill-educated people might conclude that since both Josef Göbbels and George Will never served in the military, and both wrote tirelessly in favor of war, and both practiced the lower forms of journalism, there must be a functional equivalence between the two. But who would now suggest such a far-fetched analogy?
The Third Reich Syndrome:
George Will and the Collapse of Historical Knowledge
DNI
of my personal favorites.
And what do you think Edmund?
6253. jexster - 2/19/2003 5:29:56 PM
What, cat got your tongue?
6254. jexster - 2/19/2003 5:38:42 PM
Here's another primer - On NATO, will appear in tommorrow's Christian Science Monitor
Taking NATO for granted - US needs a history lesson
A few days ago the French, Germans, and Belgians balked at the proposal that they should supply military hardware to the Turks in anticipation of an Iraqi attack on Turkey. Their refusal was effectively a veto of the mutual defense commitment that lies at the heart of the NATO charter. Or so it seems.
On hearing the news, Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, went ballistic. She accused France and Germany of being ungrateful wimps who had forgotten that American soldiers saved them first from fascism and then from communism. She reminded her NATO allies that the cold war cost the US $ 15 trillion. This idea that NATO was something kind and generous that the US did for Europe is a common assumption among Americans. But Ms. Rice should know better. She should realize that NATO was nothing more than cold-war realpolitik that suited the Americans as much as it did the Europeans.
So here's a little history lesson.....
* Gerard DeGroot is a professor of modern history at St. Andrews University in Scotland
6255. magoseph - 2/19/2003 5:41:34 PM
Jex,
My older son is getting married this spring and he's to receive some heirlooms. So this morning while I was cleaning a Directoire dress épée for him, I decided to look at a photo album because I had just read an Iwin link in another forum. Made me think, all that, I tell you. You'd think that a George Will would know better, wouldn't you?
6256. jexster - 2/19/2003 8:01:17 PM
Its Not Americans the French Hate - Its Bush
6257. magoseph - 2/19/2003 8:17:21 PM
It is important to note that Bill Clinton enjoys an enduring and formidable popularity not only within the French political establishment but also among average French citizens. So does Hillary Clinton, who is highly regarded in France as a champion of women's rights.
I just knew it. It's all Hillary's fault.
6258. jexster - 2/19/2003 9:12:02 PM
It's time for Democrats who oppose George W. Bush's push for war with Iraq to shut up.
Congressional Democrats, in particular, should muzzle their criticism of the president. Instead of publicly questioning his reasons for wanting to invade Iraq, they should voice strong support for the men and women Bush will send into battle -- and give the president no reason to blame them for the bad things that almost certainly will result from his handling of this situation
If Democrats lay low on war, Bush will defeat himself
USA Today
Bullshit!
Bush is going down and this country with him. This is no time for patriots to keep silent.
6259. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/19/2003 11:49:36 PM
FYI Depatment:
The War Behind Closed Doors, PBS, FrontLine, Feb 20, 9:00pm.
Check Here for local listings . . .
FRONTLINE examines the hidden story of what is really driving the Bush administration to war with Iraq. The investigation asks whether the publicly reported reasons--fear of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or a desire to insure and protect America's access to oil--are only masking the real reason for the war. Through interviews with well-placed sources in and outside of the administration, FRONTLINE unravels a story known only to the Washington insiders.
6260. concerned - 2/19/2003 11:55:28 PM
re. 6250 -
I don't doubt at all that the average Frenchman has become used to the effective incompetence and treasonous behavior of his military and civilian leadership. But when they try to elevate these shortcomings to being some sort of mark of superiority and associate them with somehow being French, they make themselves ridiculous.
6261. concerned - 2/20/2003 1:03:10 AM
Lefties want yet another conspiracy theory? How about the Jews downing the Columbia? That's right - some on the Left are claiming this with complete seriousness, in order to distract from Iraq doncha know? I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the WoW, cllrdr or jexster take this up any day now.
6262. concerned - 2/20/2003 1:05:16 AM
Who wants to play the 'distract from Iraq' conspiracy game?
6263. jexster - 2/20/2003 1:49:24 AM
Hey who wants to play "wag the dog'?
6264. jexster - 2/20/2003 1:50:29 AM
We are witnessing the end of George W. Bush.
The only question is -how many others' ends?
6265. jexster - 2/20/2003 1:51:42 AM
Don't you argee Edmund?
6266. Macnas - 2/20/2003 3:45:29 AM
re 6261
concerned,
Are you sure about that? is there a link or something you might give?
I would have thought that this kind of nonsense traditionally comes from the ultra-right turner diary reading bigots. You'll have to let me know who exactly is on your "Left" list. And yes, I know, I am on the list already.
6267. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:33:15 PM
Re. 6266 -
Why would you imagine most conspiracy theories emanate from the right?
Just about every conspiracy theory blaming Jews or the US for something, and they're manifold, derive from the Left. Example: virtually all the 9/11 conspiracy theories are Left Wing.
6268. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:35:45 PM
You're right about one thing, Macnas. Most conspiracy theories are garbage. But saying the Pentagon or Israel hatched 9/11 or that the US is involved with Iraq only for oil is just a sample of typical LW conspiracy mongering.
6269. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:39:50 PM
In fact,I submit that most of the 'suspicion' of US conservatives is based primarily on LW conspiracy theories.
6270. jexster - 2/20/2003 12:40:29 PM
Not ONLY for oil. Its also for Empire. And its also because Bush has lost his marbles and is an imbecile. And its also because the neocons want to create a martial state.
Sheesh
6271. Macnas - 2/20/2003 12:41:33 PM
Putting a pentagon/israeli plot to commit 9/11 and US interest Iraq's oil in the same catagory is nearly too rich even for you.
And I would disagree with you on where most conspiracy theories come from. I would still like to know what defines a "Leftist" in your view. I'm begining to think its anyone who holds a different opinion to yours.
6272. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:42:18 PM
Macnas -
I'd like to see your comments on the fresh conspiracy theories jexster just plopped down in the last post.
6273. jexster - 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM
And its also because Republican religious nut jobs think that they're going to the Rapture.
Times of London cartoon accompanying story - England's most senior Archbishops (Rowan, Cantaur & Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor slam Blair's "moral" argument for war
6274. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:44:27 PM
Re. 6271 -
Macnas -
But it's the stuff that many Euro Lefties dote on since its the subject of a best selling book in France.
Leftists define themselves, typically by who they claim to oppose. Or are you asking me to believe that you who claim to be Left are simply lying for the fun of it?
Gimme a break.
6275. jexster - 2/20/2003 12:44:38 PM
Bush's problem is no one believes him, save the most unsavory of the lunatic fringe
6276. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:46:10 PM
Macnas -
Here's a little secret you're apparently not aware of. People who call themselves or belong a political party who call themselves 'Socialists' are....get ready...make sure you're sitting down for this....
Left wing.
6277. concerned - 2/20/2003 12:47:50 PM
I really hope Macnas will not now claim that nobody has ever associated socialism with the left.
6278. Macnas - 2/20/2003 1:31:31 PM
concerned
I don't agree with everything jexters says or links.
But I don't believe in swallowing every official line either, and I find questioning that, in whatever form takes your fancy, to be healthy.
In answer, as best I can, Yes I do believe that oil is a big factor in the current crisis, yes I do believe that a certain amount of empire building is one of the aims of current U.S. foreign policy.
No I do not believe that your president has gone mad, and I do not understand what "neocons want to create a martial state" means.
6279. Macnas - 2/20/2003 1:34:57 PM
concerned
If you can control your condescension for a moment, The British Labour Party are on which side of the political divide?
6280. vonKreedon - 2/20/2003 1:36:28 PM
Isn't that The British New Labour Party?
6281. Macnas - 2/20/2003 1:39:12 PM
As in "new and improved"?
I don't think concerned will be fooled by such a cosmetic device as inserting the word "New" into their name. He's got those lefties pegged.
6282. Macnas - 2/20/2003 1:40:22 PM
And before I'm told off I apologise for diverting the main thrust of this thread.
6283. vonKreedon - 2/20/2003 2:50:13 PM
Mac - Actually I think that the New meant, more like the Tories, much like the US Democratic Leadership Council's New Democrat meant, more like the Republicans.
6284. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2003 4:25:52 PM
6285. vonKreedon - 2/20/2003 4:31:50 PM
I'd swear I saw that graphic somewhere else recently.
6286. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2003 4:34:11 PM
You couldn't have—I just finished it this afternoon.
6287. vonKreedon - 2/20/2003 4:34:57 PM
Perhaps in the Iraq thread.
6288. vonKreedon - 2/20/2003 4:36:16 PM
Can I look forward to also seeing in the International and the News & Current Events threads?
6289. Al D - 2/20/2003 4:47:22 PM
magoseph
We have a moment of agreement. Trashing the French is idiotic. Not only do we owe them a debt of gratitude for their help during the i8th Century, they have never been our enemies. Evie and I spent a month in France last year, and I have never met nicer people anywhere.
6290. concerned - 2/20/2003 5:09:30 PM
Re. 6281 -
Macnas -
No need to be ashamed of Lefties on my account.
6291. concerned - 2/20/2003 5:16:08 PM
IMO, nothing says exemplifies Frenchness more than the Second Empire. Eugenie had some portraits done of her as classical heroines that are absolutely hilarious.
6292. concerned - 2/20/2003 5:19:14 PM
oops - delete 'says' in my last.
6293. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2003 6:33:46 PM
Beat the Press-
Does the White House have a blacklist?
6294. magoseph - 2/20/2003 7:01:05 PM
Hey, Wiz, that's a good one.
6295. concerned - 2/20/2003 7:13:15 PM
magoseph -
That's weak stuff indeed, compared to this.
Don't tell me you've forgotten, already.
6296. jexster - 2/20/2003 7:15:14 PM
San Jose Mercury News :
The greatest cheers at a raucous town meeting Tuesday night in Santa Cruz came from these suggestions:
• Local elected officials should declare Santa Cruz County a sanctuary for draft resisters.
• President Bush (news - web sites) is a ``madman'' who should be impeached for treason and tried at The Hague (news - web sites) for war crimes.
• Activists should stage a national strike to stop the imminent war in Iraq.
Five hundred people filled the Del Mar Theatre for the meeting. About 50 people -- all but a handful against war with Iraq -- spoke, urging Rep. Sam Farr, D-Salinas, to help change U.S. foreign policy, which they said was being viewed with increasing disgust around the world.
6297. concerned - 2/20/2003 7:22:55 PM
Heady stuff, that.
6298. jexster - 2/20/2003 7:23:30 PM
The Road to This Hell is Paved With Bush Fuck Ups - J. Judis - LA Times
With the Cold War's end, many Americans thought we could close our air raid shelters and take the trillions of dollars that had gone into the military and put them into making our lives better by turning toward the pursuit of happiness rather than the defense of our liberty. And some of that did happen in the last half of the 1990s, during the Clinton-era boom. But only three years into a new century, the United States finds itself plagued by rising unemployment, soaring budget deficits, constricted civil liberties, the threat of terrorist attack and the prospect of a war with, and occupation of, Iraq. We've gone from the best of times to the worst of times. The Bush administration tells us that it is entirely because of Al Qaeda and now Saddam Hussein that we face these difficulties, but the dark clouds that hang over our country are largely the result of Bush administration policies.
6299. jexster - 2/20/2003 7:25:27 PM
If you thought that was heady, what did you think about the 2.5 million in Rome, the 2 million in London, and the 1/4 Million in SF?
What's the RNC going to do to top THAT?
That would be a "booboisie" riot that even King Moron couldn't afford.
6300. jexster - 2/20/2003 7:29:31 PM
Osama Praises Bush for Making his Dreams Come True
"My plan is working well. When I, Osama bin Laden, ordered the blessed events of Sept. 11, I hoped to provoke an apocalyptic conflict between the faithful and the infidels. And not only is that happening, but also the Americans and Europeans are breaking up their alliance. Indeed, the Americans are so desperate to destroy Iraq - a country that had nothing to do with the righteous destruction of the World Trade Center - that they don't care if they antagonize the major countries of all Eurasia. Happy is the man who watches his enemies fight each other. My audiotape, released Tuesday, has sealed the fate of that socialist apostate, Saddam Hussein. I see Colin Powell on CNN saying it proves a 'nexus' between my al-Qaida and his Iraq. Hah. As I said on that tape, the only connection between me and my enemies is my swordpoint hitting their neck." So writes Jim Pinkerton, former Poppy policy wonk, in his Newsday column.
James P. Pinkerton has been a columnist for Newsday since 1993. Prior to that, he worked in the White House under presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, and also in the 1980, 1984, 1988, and 1992 Republican presidential campaigns.
Pinkerton is the author of What Comes Next: The End of Big Government--And the New Paradigm Ahead (Hyperion: 1995). He is also a contributor to the Fox News Channel
6301. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2003 8:39:34 PM
Thanks mags!
6303. jexster - 2/20/2003 9:06:55 PM
The George W. Diet
Lose unsightly pounds by eating like a pig - Kinsley
6304. jexster - 2/20/2003 9:49:28 PM
To: "IAC-SF"
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:21:37 -0500
From: International Action Center
Subject: [IAC-SF] MARCH 15: Emergency Anti-War Convergence on the White House - Parallel convergence in SF at Civic Center
SATURDAY, MARCH 15:
Emergency Anti-War Convergence on the White House.
Parallel convergence & march in San Francisco.
Gather at Civic Center Plaza,11 a.m.
6305. jexster - 2/20/2003 9:50:37 PM
That's great Wiz....the next thing in toons i spose...like Mark Fiore @ SFGate
6306. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2003 10:29:57 PM
Test
6307. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2003 10:31:08 PM
Test
6308. vonKreedon - 2/20/2003 10:53:22 PM
That StopEsso widget is an amazing piece of animation.
6309. arkymalarky - 2/20/2003 11:40:32 PM
?
6310. arkymalarky - 2/20/2003 11:48:36 PM
Wiz,
I removed that post because I couldn't see the ones below it, but I left it in the HTML thread because I could. I don't know what the difference was, but if you can figure it out, just repost it.
6311. jexster - 2/21/2003 12:23:21 AM
6312. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/21/2003 10:32:37 AM
Apoligies to all for the problematic post.
The Sorceror's Apprentice strikes again!
6313. jexster - 2/21/2003 12:47:18 PM
Here Comes the Republican Guard!
6314. OhioSTOPAS - 2/22/2003 9:53:13 AM
Here's another kick in the teeth to our men and women in the military from President "Help is on the way!"
6315. judithathome - 2/22/2003 10:18:02 AM
and when both houses of Congress are controlled by the president's party
And just how do you suppose they're going to vote?
The thing that is so stupid about this is that the families living off base have no choice; base housing only serves a few of the many who need it and there is a long, long wait to even be considered for acquiring base housing. Otherwise, the majority of the space allotted to military bases would be nothing but housing for personnel.
6316. jexster - 2/22/2003 10:28:29 AM
If Your Stratery Fella Meets With Al Qaeda BOMB IRAQ
Rove Met With Terrorist - WPost
6317. jexster - 2/22/2003 10:31:22 AM
Actually it was a PAL terrorist - alleged - the guy that Jeb has been yelping about but who cares?
They all look alike.
6318. jexster - 2/22/2003 10:58:00 AM
GOP Extortion Ended GAO Cheney Suit - The Hill
6319. jexster - 2/22/2003 11:10:17 AM
The New Superpower - The World v. the Moron
LA City Council Votes to Oppose Bush War
Los Angeles Joins More Than 100 US Cities Including Chicago & Philly
6320. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/22/2003 11:16:05 AM
"Read My Lips!"
6321. jexster - 2/22/2003 12:13:30 PM
Isn't it heartening to read about the BILLIONS Bush is spending to buy off Turkey, "his good friend"?
Deficits hitting record levels, tax cuts for the super rich, states going begging, Medicare/Medicaid getting savaged, Aids Drug Assistance being cut in several states to the point where in Texas and others there are waiting lists....but the Turk is doing very well thank you.
That dimwitted immoral bucket of piss
6322. jexster - 2/22/2003 12:14:07 PM
and what about the Martial Plan for Afghanistan there Edmundo?
Idiot.
6323. jexster - 2/22/2003 2:48:26 PM
I must received an email
Ami Al-Arian, his wife, Nahla, right, and children pose with presidential candidate George W. Bush and wife Laura in a March 2000 family photo.
Photo Credit: Courtesy Sami Al-arian Via AP
Without a web site I cannot post the happy picture that I received, but I am on the case!
6324. jexster - 2/22/2003 2:52:21 PM
I am SO fuckin GOOD!
Sami Al-Arian, holding daughter Lama, 6, center, with son Abdullah, 19, left, daughter Laila, 18, foreground left, daughter Leena, 14, center, wife Nahla, center right, and son Ali, 9, foreground left, pose for a photo with presidential candidate George W. Bush and wife Laura in this March 12, 2000 family photo in Plant City, Fla. Others, extreme right, are unidentified.
6325. jexster - 2/22/2003 4:10:47 PM
"We are all supporters of Hamas"
6326. Edmund Dantes - 2/22/2003 7:03:50 PM
Reverend Al wants you, Jester
Sure he aint a man in uniform, but he's got good hair.
Ditch that demagogic Stalinist from Baghdad and start kneeling for Sharpton, Professor Bedpan.
6327. Cellar Door - 2/22/2003 7:49:07 PM
Sharpton is your Dog & Pony Show, dear.
My candidate is Howard Dean.
6328. Cellar Door - 2/24/2003 11:43:40 AM
MY what a "coincidence"!
6329. magoseph - 2/24/2003 12:51:48 PM
How do you like your radio, folks?
Yes, they like it raunchy. Most people listen to radio alone in their cars, where no one needs to be PC, where it's still OK to insult women and minorities and foreigners, and no one has to fear being slapped with a harassment charge.
6330. magoseph - 2/24/2003 1:04:30 PM
About Message # 6329
And it's OK to chuckle at that coarse humor and still vote Democratic. The PC brigades may find this hard to believe, but shock jocks do quite well with black listeners and with traditional Democratic demographics, such as college graduates and city dwellers. No, Stern and Don Geronimo and Tom Leykis have no interest whatsoever in having Dick Gephardt on the show, at least not unless he's going to remove his pants. And no, they would say, there's no politics on their shows. (Sabo tells DJs who want to be talk-show hosts: "If the topic is national politics, abortion, gun control, death penalty, religion, race, we have no interest. If the topics are movies, TV, personal relationships, your strong personal feelings, stuff about the workplace—things people under 90 talk about, we'd love to hear your tape.") But even if Stern wannabes don't address abortion directly, their daily diet of searingly intimate conversation with callers hits many of those hot-button issues, and they do it almost unfailingly from a left-libertarian perspective—they are classic social liberals.
6331. magoseph - 2/24/2003 1:05:13 PM
Well, say something, concerned, please!
6332. concerned - 2/24/2003 1:38:47 PM
Re. 6331 -
First off, I hardly ever listen to 'talk radio' because I'm usually more interested in catching the weather & traffic reports, for one. Secondly, while talk radio is a good deal more informative than television fare or word of mouth regarding these matters, I prefer online media & reading newspaper articles & editorials (many of which are available online) because they are more informative & accurate than either.
As far as insulting minorities, women, etc., 'in private', I'm not comfortable around people who do so, nor do I even meet any that do, for the most part. What I post in the Mote is consistent with the types of things I say in private.
6333. concerned - 2/24/2003 1:42:10 PM
Re. 6330 -
I think a big reason that today's LW viewpoints are largely limited to sound byte media has a great deal to do with how much examination they can bear.
6334. concerned - 2/24/2003 1:43:28 PM
Even Noam Chomsky can't get much traction out of claiming that the US is a 'terrorist state' among people with means including free discourse.
6335. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/24/2003 2:50:31 PM
6336. magoseph - 2/24/2003 4:05:45 PM
concerned, who is LW?
6337. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/24/2003 4:07:05 PM
Left Wing
6338. magoseph - 2/24/2003 5:07:28 PM
Thanks, Wiz. I should have known that.
6339. OhioSTOPAS - 2/24/2003 5:30:25 PM
Jesus really is Bush's favorite political philosopher!
From today's USA Today:
"[President Bush] is a leader who takes terrible risks, yet not only seems but actually is serene and confident, almost immune to temptations to fidget or second-guess.
"The explanation is Bush's spirituality. He really does believe that after he has done his best to make the right decision, the rest is up to God. . . ."
Although it's nice he can be so "serene," I'd like the President to try a little harder to make the right decision instead of leaving it "up to God". Frankly, for the last two years He's been doing a lousy job.
6340. OhioSTOPAS - 2/24/2003 5:39:26 PM
And then there's this startling assessment of Bush by Washington insider David Gergen:
Instrument of Providence
Prof. GERGEN: Well, to--to--to come back to your original question about the role of religion in his life, because I do think that's been an extraordinarily important part of this--what we've--this tableau that's unfolded here recently--this is a man who, after all, found God in his life and--and religion became his anchor when he was in his early 40s. And I think it has been a guiding part of his life ever since. He reads the Bible regularly. And there's no question that his religion fortifies him now during this time, his religious beliefs, so that I think he feels more able to do things. Even if they--if it courts public opinion disasters, I think he's willing to do things that he thinks are necessary.
One of the interesting questions that I don't think anybody knows the answer to is whether, to--to--to some extent, he believes that--that providence intervened in his life at an earlier stage and whether, somehow, providence is now on the side of America and that he somehow may be an instrument of providence that--par--part of what he's on, as Robert Dallek suggested, is a mission that has so--some sort of theological roots. I don't think we know that. I think it's--I do think we know that religion is an incredibly important part of who he is, and it's helped him enormously.
MATHISEN: Right.
Prof. GERGEN: I don't think we know to what extent he is reli--that--that this is almost a religious-type mission that he's on.
6341. OhioSTOPAS - 2/24/2003 5:42:54 PM
Fixing the link:
Instrument of Providence
6342. magoseph - 2/24/2003 5:44:35 PM
The Blinding Glare of His Certainty
The world might have more confidence in the judgment of this President if he weren't always bathed in the blinding glare of his own certainty.
6343. arkymalarky - 2/24/2003 6:06:03 PM
Then why can't we just dump Bush and have God be president?
6344. jexster - 2/25/2003 10:01:46 AM
Saturday, Mar. 1, 10 am - all day
MASS MAILING PARTY FOR MAR.15 NATIONAL PROTESTS
Join us at the ANSWER office -- 2489 Mission St., Rm. 30 (near 21st) in San Francisco - for a mass mailing to get the word out to thousands about the next step for the anti-war movement: Mar. 15 mass actions in Washington, DC
and San Francisco.The mailing will start at 10 am and volunteers are needed all day. No experience necessary!
For more info call 415-821-6545.
6345. jexster - 2/25/2003 10:55:02 AM
Sooner or later, little Eddie will show her fat ass around here.
The sooner the better.
WORD UP. This bud's for you!
Perle Says Bush Regime was Criminally Negligent in Permitting 9-11 Attack to Occur
This was an astonishing exchange on Meet the Press:
"RICHARD PERLE: The lesson of September 11 was that you shouldn't have been voting on September 12 because we should have acted against al-Qaeda before that. We saw the camps. We heard the communications. We knew that they were planning additional acts of terror as they had undertaken previous acts of terror. And we waited. We failed to take action in a timely manner...
REP. KUCINICH: Are you saying that to be critical of President Bush? Is that what you're saying?
MR. PERLE: I'm critical of the failure to recognize the threat that Osama bin Laden posed before- everything we did after September 11 could have been done before September 11."
6346. jexster - 2/25/2003 11:10:20 AM
How much will Bush's war cost YOUR city or state?
LA - $834,800,000
San Jose - $378,700,000
SF- $279,200,000
NYC- $2,379,300,000
The Cost of Bush's Invasion
CITIES
STATES
6347. jexster - 2/25/2003 12:11:23 PM
Don't Mess With Texus!
Governors' Conference Slams Bush - Texas Gov. Perry Goes Home in a Snit
"Democrats sharply criticized Bush's budget proposals, while even fellow Republicans questioned the details. There also was some dismay that the governors' association, seeking a unified position on behalf of the states, was too harsh in assessing Bush's spending plan. Bush's successor as Texas governor, Republican Rick Perry, quit the organization, partly to save $160,000 in annual fees and partly because he was unhappy with what he believed was its criticism of the Bush administration, 'Open criticism of the resident is not an approach Governor Perry favors' spokeswoman Kathy Walt said."
6348. jexster - 2/25/2003 12:45:23 PM
I guess they do thangs diffurnt in Tejas cause we sure are fucking up in the Kingdom of Moronia.
For the first time ever, King Moron will deploy a major weapons system without operational testing.
There go your tax dollars!
>Bush Insists on Deploying Missile Defense Shield Even if It Doesn't Work
As CBSMarketWatch and David Gergen confirm - Bush has lost his marbles.
Will the US survive until we can rid ourselves of this nutter?
6349. wonkers2 - 2/25/2003 1:56:13 PM
Religion has helped Bush enormously, especially politically.
6350. jexster - 2/25/2003 2:01:13 PM
Watch your mouth Wonk!
Depends if you think Zan's freaky fundies = genuine religion.
6351. jexster - 2/25/2003 2:02:26 PM
Economists Warn: W-ar Isn't The Only Way Bush is Fucking Up the US Economy
6352. wonkers2 - 2/25/2003 2:06:00 PM
Just now on Jerry Gross's Fresh Air Krugman called Bush's lying to the public about his programs unprecedented in American history.
6353. wonkers2 - 2/25/2003 2:10:06 PM
To illustrate Bush's Pinocchio tendencies, Krugman repeated a story from one of his columns about a liberal and a Bushie in a bar when Bill Gates walked in. And the Bush conservative remarked "This is our lucky day, the average net worth of everybody in this bar just went up by $20 billion."
6354. jexster - 2/25/2003 2:10:56 PM
what is Fresh Air???
6355. jexster - 2/25/2003 2:17:41 PM
Certainly isn't in Bush-ville these days...
Critics Decry Bush Plan to Develop New Weapons of Mass Destruction
Is this dipshit nuts or what?
6356. wonkers2 - 2/25/2003 2:23:31 PM
"Fresh Air" is an NPR show hosted by Jerry Gross. She interviews a variety of guests ranging from politicos to musicians to actors. Similar to Diane Rehm's show but more oriented toward arts and entertainment. She followed up Krugman with an interview with Bartlett Editor? of the Wall Street Journal who thinks Bush's tax program was great, not because the economy needs stimulus but rather as needed basic structural tax reform. He conceded that Bush is using the current unfavorable economic situation as an excuse to push his tax reform agenda.
6357. robertjayb - 2/25/2003 2:46:06 PM
Terry Gross
6358. jexster - 2/25/2003 3:43:21 PM
Sheesh all you brainiacs and your NPR....me I listen to San Francisco Live 105! where nobody thinks about Bush's Empire but rather we ponder questions such as "Does Live 105 Suck? - a LIVE poll" 6359. jexster - 2/25/2003 3:44:07 PM
God bless Iraq
6360. magoseph - 2/25/2003 3:55:41 PM
So how did you vote, Jex?
6361. Cellar Door - 2/25/2003 4:15:26 PM
Boycott Everyone!
6362. magoseph - 2/25/2003 5:05:21 PM
If we boycott everything, where will I get my Paté de Foie Gras, my Grand-Marnier, my Occitane, mes savons, mes Marrons Glacéés? My family won't send them, they would want me to get them myself.
Maybe if I make a contribution to Alistair's Green Party...
6363. magoseph - 2/25/2003 5:06:46 PM
Tonight Crossfire will talk about boycotting French products.
6364. wonkers2 - 2/25/2003 5:23:39 PM
Thanks, rjb.
6365. jexster - 2/25/2003 5:28:17 PM
Today's SF Chronicle carries an article from the Washington Post confirming something that I have been saying for nearly a year now - Bush's Iraq policy is now and always has been a lie or as Joseph Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment's non-proliferation staff put it in an article in yesterday's Post "a con job" designed "to deceive" other nations and the American people.
The SF Chron also has an article on the lastest CA public opinion survey:
62% of Californians OPPOSE Bush's War for Empire
Don't worry ma cherie, there will be NO boycott in the Golden State.
Just lower prices. Send all the Chateau Margaux and foie gras ya want to.
Who gives a fuck about Texas anyway?
Sorry JAH/Robert.
6366. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/25/2003 5:29:05 PM
6367. magoseph - 2/25/2003 5:42:58 PM
Good, Jex! Time to pack up and move there. I have been thinking about it for a long time now.
6368. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/25/2003 5:56:12 PM
6369. jexster - 2/25/2003 7:41:29 PM
Oh the French LOVE San Francisco! Not sure about how they feel re: SoCali...probably don't like it much...youse people have taste.
6370. magoseph - 2/25/2003 7:42:06 PM
Well, I consider muself entitled to post a silly link
6371. jexster - 2/25/2003 7:42:48 PM
Welcome to Bush's Brave New World Order
6372. magoseph - 2/25/2003 7:47:12 PM
My link is much better than your last one, Jex.
6373. jexster - 2/25/2003 7:50:40 PM
Off topic some but since I am responding to french bashing mago, I live a few blocks from and my parish church is next door to..
Bienvenue sur le site LIFA!
Le Lycée International Franco-Américain et sa section lycée, guidés par des principes de rigueur académique, dispensent une éducation bilingue de très haut niveau dans un riche environnement multiculturel. Informations additionnelles
And your link was great except I posted the pic weeks ago.
Have to get up early in le matin there mags.
6374. wonkers2 - 2/25/2003 10:02:19 PM
Nearly all of Bush's policies are lies. He's the biggest liar in my memory.
6375. arkymalarky - 2/25/2003 10:31:59 PM
Don't know if this has been linked before, but Dad's got a new favorite website: News from the Whitehouse
6376. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/25/2003 11:51:14 PM
They do wonderful parodies, arky!
6377. OhioSTOPAS - 2/26/2003 7:17:52 PM
Today President Bush said,
"By blocking a vote on Miguel Estrada, some Democrats in the Senate are flaunting the intention of the United States Constitution and the tradition of the United States Senate, itself."
You meant FLOUTING (not "flaunting"), Mr. President. Fire that speechwriter!
6378. OhioSTOPAS - 2/26/2003 7:19:11 PM
(And of course, Democrats aren't flouting - or even flaunting - anything.)
6379. judithathome - 2/26/2003 7:35:51 PM
It probably wasn't the speechwriter; it was probably the reader.
6380. jexster - 2/26/2003 8:19:40 PM
The Sunshine Patriot[s]
Tom Delay, [concerned] and the Party of Appeasement
6381. jexster - 2/26/2003 8:22:37 PM
It's easy to see why DeLay is angry. In his speech, Dean called the war a "quagmire" and compared it to Vietnam. He said it would "drag on," costing billions of dollars. He accused the president of failing to specify how long our troops would have to stay, and he urged the administration to withdraw them "before the body bags start coming home."
Maybe if Dean had stopped there, his remarks could have been shrugged off. But he went further. He accused the president of double standards and twisted priorities, implying ulterior motives. "North Korea continues to flaunt international law by speeding ahead with their nuclear program with no consequences whatsoever," Dean charged. And despite the bombing of Afghanistan, he observed, "Osama Bin Laden still represents a threat to thousands of American lives."
That was bad enough, but Dean wasn't finished. He suggested that the United States should curb its warlike impulses to avoid offending other countries. "The White House has bombed its way around the globe," he sneered. "International respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly." As for the current war plan, Dean complained that "no one wants us to be there" and that the president's crusade "has made the Russians jittery and has harmed [our] standing in the world."
Then there was the creepy way Dean kept referring to the president. He called the showdown "Bush's undeclared war" and "Bush's bombing campaign." He described it as something "the president has put us into" and warned his audience, "We should think very, very seriously whether we are going to take ownership of the bombing"—as though the president weren't the nation's commander in chief. He urged Congress to de-fund the war and "pull out the forces we now have in the region."
Dean essentially called the United States the war's villain.
6382. jexster - 2/26/2003 8:22:53 PM
Twice now in the past decade, the overwhelming military and economic dominance of the US has given it the chance to lead the rest of the world by example and consensus. It could have adopted (and to a very limited degree under Clinton did adopt) a strategy in which this dominance would be softened and legitimised by economic and ecological generosity and responsibility, by geopolitical restraint, and by 'a decent respect to the opinion of mankind', as the US Declaration of Independence has it. The first occasion was the collapse of the Soviet superpower enemy and of Communism as an ideology. The second was the threat displayed by al-Qaida. Both chances have been lost - the first in part, the second it seems conclusively. What we see now is the tragedy of a great country, with noble impulses, successful institutions, magnificent historical achievements and immense energies, which has become a menace to itself and to mankind. Anatol Lieven
6383. jexster - 2/26/2003 8:26:52 PM
They were said on the House floor four years ago—on March 11, April 28, and May 6, 1999—about President Clinton's war in Kosovo. And they were said not by Howard Dean, but by Tom DeLay.
6384. Al D - 2/26/2003 9:36:48 PM
North Korea continues to flaunt international law by speeding ahead with their nuclear program with no consequences whatsoever," Dean charged
This is not from a Bush speach, but as long as it was from a Dem. runing for President it interested no one. Does it make Dean a moron? Of course not. If One were to make fun a Dean for a mistake that almost anyone could make would be silly. Of course neither arky nor OhioStopas are capable of mistakes.
6385. arkymalarky - 2/26/2003 11:47:08 PM
What in the Sam Hill are you on about, Al?
6386. concerned - 2/27/2003 3:02:51 AM
Al Franken a sinister Rush Limbaugh wannabe? Now, that's funny.
6387. concerned - 2/27/2003 3:08:47 AM
Re. 6382 -
Haven't you spammed this same old crap enough times? Or do you think everybody is as hard of remembering as you are?
6388. alistairConnor - 2/27/2003 4:54:03 AM
Al is talking about the word "flaunt".
"North Korea continues to flaunt international law
some Democrats in the Senate are flaunting the intention of the United States Constitution
Sigh. The language is moving on. Looks like "flaunt" is now a synonym of "flout", instead of its opposite.
Personally, I think that journalists ought to be literate enough to correct mistakes like that in the transcripts.
6389. OhioSTOPAS - 2/27/2003 6:32:53 AM
Al (Message # 6384): The misuse of "flaunt" that you cite comes not from Howard Dean, but rather from Tom DeLay. (See the last paragraph of the article Jexster cites.)
6390. OhioSTOPAS - 2/27/2003 6:34:44 AM
By the way, the President correctly used "flout" in his televised speech last night. It looks like yesterday afternoon somebody got his speechwriter a dictionary!
6391. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:23:37 AM
White Palace WMT Counter-terror Budget Is Meager
If War on Terror's got ya licked
Bomb Iraq!
If ya wanna pull our dicks
Bomb Iraq!
6392. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:28:50 AM
Al since you seem to be starved for a Moronism, here's one that hits close to home!
"Now, we talked to {evie}. She and her husband, {al), were visiting with us. They are near retirement—retiring—in the process of retiring, meaning they're very smart, active, capable people who are retirement age and are retiring."—Alexandria, Va., Feb. 12, 2003.
6393. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:30:38 AM
Looks like Miss Laura's K-1 reading lessons have FINALLY paid off!
I retire
you retire
he she it retires
I am retiring
you are retiring....
6394. wonkers2 - 2/27/2003 10:57:44 AM
Great website, Arky. Thank your pop.
6395. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:58:59 AM
For over two years now I have been participating in John Zogby's Online polling experiments. Here are the results of the latest alongside the corresponding telephone poll.
I think link should work for everyone even though its a special ID link.
6396. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:04:13 AM
Bookmarked Arky!
Its the Landover Baptist on the Potomac site!
6397. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:10:20 AM
Damned if it isn't....I just noticed the ad in the lower right corner.
From Landover Babdist - America's Favorite Church!
A Handful of Bush Supporters Take To the Streets In Support of the President The national counter-protest was organized by FreeRepublic.Com
If you do a search of "baptist" Landover is #8.
6398. concerned - 2/27/2003 12:30:09 PM
Perhaps it's America's funniest 'church'.
6399. jexster - 2/27/2003 12:31:11 PM
Howard Dean Scores at DNC National Gathering
David Corn writes, "Dean, as the buzz-watchers agree, generated the most positive vibes at the gathering. He hit the podium with a sharp declaration: 'What I want to know is why in the world the Democratic Party leadership is supporting the resident's unilateral attack on Iraq?" He then blasted the party's leaders for not challenging Resident Bush on whether there should be any new tax cuts; for obsessing over a patients' bill of rights rather than 'standing up' for providing health care insurance for all; and for going along with Bush's 'Leave No Child Behind' education legislation, which he claimed would leave behind 'every student, every teacher and every school board.' After this machine-gun opening, he paused and said, 'I'm Howard Dean and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.' Cue the applause? Actually, applause lights were not needed. Many in the crowd jumped up and cheered."
6400. concerned - 2/27/2003 2:08:24 PM
Fallout from 'virtual protest' shenanigans -
I read a post in another forum describing how one company just completed firing nine employees from their sales group for spending their work day making 1200 phone calls to Washington DC, sending thousands of frivolous political faxes and emails from their company computers, and that at least two were running 'virtual protest' related web sites on their work pc's.
A recreation of the probable scene when one of the former employees shows up at home:
Her: How was your day at work, Dear?"
Him: Well, uhmmmm, I don't know what to say.
Her: What happened?
Him: Well, I don't work there any more.
Her: What happened?
Him: Well, I made some phone calls to Washington, and I sent some faxes ...
Her: About what?
Him: Protesting the war.
Her: What's wrong with that?
Him: Those bastards I work for are pro-war.
Her: Let's sue them.
Him: Yeah, a class action suit.
6401. judithathome - 2/27/2003 2:26:18 PM
Actually, applause lights were not needed. Many in the crowd jumped up and cheered."
Let's hope they jump up and vote for the guy. He is just what that party needs...someone who has opposition ideas and isn't afraid to state them.
6402. jexster - 2/27/2003 2:27:11 PM
Boy you know time is running out for the Butcher of Baghdad when TD posts woeful shit like the above.
As Joe Cirincione put it, Bush's goal is to distract public attention from the costs, consequences, and overwhelming worldwide opposition to this unprecendented, immoral, and illegal war of aggression that he has been lusting for now for over a year.
The guy is nuts.
6403. jexster - 2/27/2003 3:21:17 PM
Caught on Film: A Compendium of Bush Lies
6404. jexster - 2/27/2003 3:37:15 PM
JAh - I REALLY love that guy - all the more because the sleazebucket, pissant, concerned-type patriot Tom DeLay loathes him...
Last week while at the SF LGBT Center for stop smoking class, Dean was upstairs attending a Human Rights Campaign fundraiser in his behalf. It was his third or fourth such in the past 6 months...James Hormel $$$
6405. concerned - 2/27/2003 6:11:50 PM
Re. 6402 -
Yeah, yeah. Yer nothing but talk, jexster. I don't see you laying down your job to protest.
6406. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/27/2003 6:40:43 PM
A little U.S.-Iraqi history By Robert Novak
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sen. Robert Byrd, a master at hectoring executive branch witnesses, asked Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld a provocative question last week: Did the United States help Saddam Hussein produce weapons of biological warfare? Rumsfeld brushed off the Senate's 84-year-old president pro tem like a Pentagon reporter. But a paper trail indicates Rumsfeld should have answered yes.
An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.
6407. jexster - 2/27/2003 7:21:21 PM
117 U.S. cities and counties have now passed resolutions opposing the war, along with both houses of the Maine state legislature and the Hawaii House of Representatives. See the list
6408. Al D - 2/27/2003 7:49:34 PM
117 U.S. cities and counties have now passed resolutions opposing the war
What would that be % wise? about 1/10 of 1%? I would imagine they could get that much out of one or two counties in Calif.
jexster
If after the war with Iraq, we see people as happy to be liberated as the Afgans were, will your tune change at all?
6409. vonKreedon - 2/27/2003 7:55:39 PM
Al - How long after the war? The Afghanis appear to be doing much less dancing in the streets recently, in fact Karzai is concerned that he may be facing a resurgence of Taliban support given the conditions.
6410. Al D - 2/27/2003 8:01:28 PM
alistairConnor
So called T.V. reporters make frequent errors, the most glaring is for he and I, an error made most often by the highly educated. They must think for is not a preposition but an intransitive verb.
I don't follow Ohio's comments at all. The use of flaunt for flaut may not have been made by Dean as it may be made by the person quoting Dean but it was not DeLay.
6411. arkymalarky - 2/27/2003 8:02:30 PM
There are a lot of nations whose people I would love to see dancing in the streets at the toppling of their selfish governments. If we enter conflict with Iraq on that premise it makes our neglect of other much worse situations inexcusable.
6412. Al D - 2/27/2003 8:06:59 PM
In other words, arky, unless we are willing to crush every dictator in the world, there is no reason to crush any. Do you think it made any sense to attack Serbia to accomplish the removal of a leader? All of this stuff is political, and that is the sad part.
6413. magoseph - 2/27/2003 8:49:15 PM
Do you think it made any sense to attack Serbia to accomplish the removal of a leader?
Al,
I guess if we follow your reasoning, the Second World War should have been avoided. After all, we had to attack Germany to get rid of Hitler.
And, they did not have weapons with the power to destroy the planet.
6414. Al D - 2/27/2003 9:12:05 PM
magoseph
Perhaps as usual, my method of writing is obscure. Perhaps I should have used ? marks to make my meaning clear. I think it can make sense to attack a country to remove a dictator.
I have argued in the past that we should have stayed out of WWII after Hitler attacked USSR in June of 1941. We could have asked England to make peace with Germany and sold arms to both Germany and USSR depending on which country was beating the other.
What we really should have done is started preparing for war at least by 1936 if not in 1932. Aren't leaders supposed to lead a Nation, not follow the mob? I am well aware of the anti-war feeling after WWI.
6415. Edmund Dantes - 2/27/2003 9:46:25 PM
How long after the war?
Kuwait is still pretty grateful a dozen years out. But even throwing out history's worst evil and restoring a prosperous democracy won't win you permanent gratitude.
Ask the French.
6416. Wombat - 2/27/2003 9:47:50 PM
The last post is possibly the stupidest thing I have read on the Mote since it began. That's saying something considering the amount of crap that Rosie (in his various incarnations), Concerned, and lately Jexter have been posting.
6417. Wombat - 2/27/2003 9:48:35 PM
I was referring to Al D's post.
6418. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:27:19 PM
A Triumphant Virtual March
Over one million people from around the nation jammed the White House and Senate switchboards today to register their loud and unequivocal opposition to the war. Former Congressman Tom Andrews, National Director of Win Without War, said "Well over one million phone calls were made in just eight hours by people from every state in the country. Every Senator’s office and the White House switchboard received at least two and often more calls per minute. Many callers had to settle for busy signals."
The Virtual March on Washington was organized by Win Without War, a coalition of 32 organizations including the National Council of Churches, MoveOn.org, the NAACP, NOW, and the Sierra Club.
According to Andrews, the protest was designed to give the many who don't usually take place in marches a chance to let "their fingers do their marching." As part of the protest, folks emailed, faxed and phoned their Senators and the White House to express their support for U.N. inspections. Estimates for fax and email messages are not available as yet. But it is clear, in Andrews' words, the antiwar message "got through loud and clear today."
6419. Al D - 2/27/2003 10:32:48 PM
wombat
I would imagine you never read your own posts. Wouldn't it be more polite to point out exactly what you mean? Maybe a person who can only see one side of any issue is the stupid one.
6420. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:35:32 PM
jexster
If after the war with Iraq, we see people as happy to be liberated as the Afgans were, will your tune change at all?
Of course not. First let's see the "liberation" of Afghanistan today! Not so great.
And I suppose that our 250,000 troops will be able scrounge up a few to greet them don't you?
I mean the ones that aren't busy shooting each other.
But in any event, an immoral war is not made moral by CNN
6421. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:39:13 PM
Damn Al, I didn't notice who posted the question I just answered.
Top drawer. I thought it sounded Wombatian.
Anyway, don't fret yourself about the flowering democracy crap - its all war propaganda - this weeks "story" from the Bushies. Its "morality" week because Blair is in the shit
Didn't happen in any country the US has invaded in oh about 55 years or so and its NOT gonna happen in Iraq. See post in Iraq thread - Professor Mubarak, Kuwait University - the poor guy could barely restrain his laughter at the thought.
6422. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:48:53 PM
I hear tell that some around here doubted me????
Virtual March on Washington Floods Senate With Telephone Calls
Hundreds of Thousands Participate - WPost
and hundreds of thousands more tried repeatedly all day long and connected once if that. Least I got to the Wicked Witch of the West.
6423. Al D - 2/27/2003 10:56:20 PM
jexster
You are delusional if you think Afgans aren't happy to be rid of the Taliban. Did you happen to watch Karzi's testimony before the Senate Committee yesterday? I don't read all your posts since they seem to be all of the same note, but I can't imagine you are a Saddam supporter. I might agree that it would be a huge task to make any Arab country a democracy.
Maybe we should have made a deal with Saddam; let him have his way in the Middle East as long as we got a good price on his oil. Then he could have kicked the shit out of Saudia Arabia, maybe even taken over Iran, Syria, Jordan, a modern day Saladan. If he got out of line we could always nuke him. Of course he wqould kill all them Jews, but that wouldn't bother Liberals much, I don't suppose.
6424. jexster - 2/27/2003 10:59:49 PM
I dunno how happy they are Al.. I just know that they don't have shit for a democracy, that Bush forgot to put aid in for em in his budget, and that the figure he put in is less than he gave em during the Taliban rule.
I also know that Bush is doing is damndest to make sure we don't focus on his Afghan policy, his defense policy, his Asian policy, his fiscal policy, his domestic policy....
I also know
THAT IT'S COCKTAIL HOUR!
6425. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:01:44 PM
PS Karzai - going to stand before a Republican congress in a nearly psychotic and fully deluded Emperor's capital and say "hey assholes remember us?"
Cheers
6426. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:13:01 PM
Rumsfeld was on ABB Board during Nuke Reactor Deal with North Korea
"The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million contract with Pyongyang. The ABB contract was to deliver equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on North Korea's east coast. Rumsfeld...was a member of ABB's board between 1990 and February 2001, when he left to take up his current post. Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB, told swissinfo that Rumsfeld 'was at nearly all the board meetings' during his decade-long involvement with the company... Rumsfeld's position at ABB could prove embarrassing for the Bush administration since while he was a director he was also active on issues of weapons proliferation, chairing the 1998 congressional Ballistic Missile Threat commission. The commission suggested the Clinton-era deal with Pyongyang gave too much away because 'North Korea maintains an active weapons of mass destruction programme, including a nuclear weapons programme'."
6427. Al D - 2/27/2003 11:16:54 PM
jexster
Yes, it is COCKTAIL HOUR, or glass of wine time, but don't ever let the Wiz know you imbibe. I think he's a Moron, oops, I mean a Morman.
6428. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:37:07 PM
Message # 6387
I think that Lieven's article "The Push for War" is the single most profound analysis of the issue that has been written.
I believe that his concluding paragraph cannot be repeated enough.
6429. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:37:40 PM
Wiz..mormon?
Yeah right
6430. jexster - 2/27/2003 11:38:44 PM
Wiz..mormon?
Yeah right
Aaah Marlene's Old Fashioned. Have to take ya there sometime. Its the Hayes Valley drag queen, leatherboy, neighborhood bar.
6431. jexster - 2/28/2003 12:59:30 AM
TD - This one is for you.
Dear MoveOn member,
Our Virtual March has been an enormous success -- by some
estimates, the Senate and White House received over a million phone calls, faxes, and emails today. Offices on Capitol Hill were busy with the sounds of ringing phones and conversations about the war. And media outlets from the Washington Post to the BBC covered this broad and unprecedented action.
A comment we received from a MoveOn member in Connecticut is representative:
"I called Lieberman's office, and made my statement, and then I said to the man who answered the phone, 'this must be nuts for you today' and he said, 'My day will be hell, but it is so much better than apathy. This is what democracy is all about. I think it is terrific.'
I asked him if he thought it might change the Senator's position, and he said he wasn't authorized to speak on that, but that they were overwhelmed with the number of people speaking out from Connecticut."
Members of the House of Representatives (who were not targeted) took notice: Representative Anna Eshoo from California even took the time sent us all a letter thanking us for marching. You can read it at:
http://www.moveon.org/eshooletter.jpg
6432. concerned - 2/28/2003 2:59:05 AM
Re. 6416 -
'lately Jexter(sic)'.......?
More of Wombats' ingenuous synaptical meanderings.
6433. concerned - 2/28/2003 3:12:23 AM
re. 6419 -
Al D -
Wombat probably imagined he was being quite witty with that post.
6434. concerned - 2/28/2003 3:25:59 AM
Ted Kennedy leads Senate in cycle of vengeance on judicial nominees
If the alcohol befogged Fat Chappaquiddick Bastard and Senate 'Rat Scum want to play that game, Republicans should scream 'obstruction' from the rooftops and maybe GWB should resort to recess appointments to seat qualified judges on Federal benches.
6435. Wombat - 2/28/2003 9:11:50 AM
Al D. et al.
"I have argued in the past that we should have stayed out of WWII after Hitler attacked USSR in June of 1941. We could have asked England to make peace with Germany and sold arms to both Germany and USSR depending on which country was beating the other."
If you sincerely believe that this was what the U.S. should have done, then I rest my case as to the stupidity of your post.
6436. judithathome - 2/28/2003 9:51:35 AM
GWB should resort to recess appointments to seat qualified judges on Federal benches
I think recess appointments are only good as long as the Pres is in office. They expire once he leaves.
6437. Wombat - 2/28/2003 10:10:39 AM
They are good for one year, I believe.
6438. judithathome - 2/28/2003 10:12:28 AM
Thanks...maybe the speaker I heard was counting on Bush being out soon. ;-)
6439. Wombat - 2/28/2003 10:18:47 AM
Anything's possible.
6440. jexster - 2/28/2003 11:10:39 AM
Face with a firestorm of criticism from state governors over his Perpetual War, Feed the Rich, Deficits Forever Budget