The Mote Archive - The Good Life

The Good Life

pt. 3

10523. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 2:56:33 PM

OOps.

10524. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 2:57:31 PM

The classic rose is that from Portugal in the earthenware-like jug - and I forget the name right now. For most of those in my generation it was our first taste of wine and thankfully left behind after that first unhooked brassiere on the way to heaven.

Rather than rose why not something mixed with soda water? I've got a Japanese Ume-plum liqueur called CHOYA Umeshu-Dento Herb to be mixed with soda water as you prefer - meaning, wine is not strictly necessary for every meal or occasion.

10525. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 2:59:47 PM

Tell that to the French one, scottso. Wine is de riguer with every meal, but that does sound refreshing. Rosé gives me a headache.

And, of course, who can forget the humiliating american name for it- --- BLUSH.

I don't think I have the balls to roder it in pulic.

10526. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 3:03:25 PM

thoughtful,

She's no doubt the savage and intuitive business woman, and I respect her for being able to build such an immense OmniEmpire. To me, she is a cut throat and I do agree with Child's statement that she wishes Stewart gave credit where credit was due instead of "always appearing as to have invented everything on her own."

Joan Didion says, "The outrage, which reaches sometimes startling levels, centers on the misconception that she has somehow tricked her admirers into not noticing the ambition that brought her to their attention. To her critics, she seems to represent a fraud to be exposed, a wrong to be righted."

Stewart's response was "Bullshit!"

I don't love her or hate her, I'm more curious than anything else.

10527. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:06:20 PM

Lancers.

10528. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:08:54 PM

Webfeet, it would seem that the world holds more variety than even the French in their cosmopolitan smugness dare to concede. Yes, not all food is made for French wines nor is a soul uplifted only by vin alone even if it be vintage.

10529. Wombat - 8/14/2001 3:09:23 PM

Make a Kir. Or better, a Kir Royale.

10530. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:09:43 PM

Thanks to JudithAtHome, the notorious rose of the American palate is Lancers.

10531. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 3:09:49 PM

webfeet,

In this article she discusses her catering business that she began with. Almost with anger, she defends herself saying that no one understands what that business was like. She made everything (from the croissants to the wine) and didn't option out for store bought anything when the big named caterers went to the market for items such as baguettes.

She may have a legion of cooks and gardeners to help her, but I'm convinced that everything is based on her and her ideas alone.

What thoughtful says about her is a shame. Cheap and rich make the worst combination in a person.

Thoughtful,

Oprah, one of Martha's fans ad friends, spends $300 a week on each of her dogs giving them massages. No doubt that money could be spent on one of the chairities she promotes like the angel network.

10532. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:10:31 PM

I don't like champagne.

10533. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:12:22 PM

And don't forget Mateus, Scott...

10534. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:13:07 PM

For what's it's worth I doubt many heterosexual males would enjoy being married to Martha Stewart. Within a short week I'd find myself rummaging through the cutlery for a short, sharp knife to manage her once and for all.

10535. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:14:10 PM

JudithAtHome, you're making me ill. Not having had a rose for more than 30 years the very memory of the stuff still makes me pukey.

10536. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 3:14:20 PM

She's 60, did you know that?

10537. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 3:15:19 PM

There is an apero over there in the pays of the smug, that is just a kir, sans chamnpagne. It was like a porto but perhaps more tart. It tasted slightly like flowers if I remember.

We went through a kir phase, though, good champagne gets a little steep on the budget for thoseof us who are saving for a nest.
But--wait a minute scott, how could you not like champagne?

10538. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 3:16:26 PM

Webfeet,

Do you ever watch Dr. Phil McGraw on Oprah (every Tuesday)? I'm not a huge fan of Oprah, I find her incredibly conceited, But I LOVE this guy. Even my husband will watch when he's on!

10539. Wombat - 8/14/2001 3:17:15 PM

Martha kept her husband's name after a spectacularly bitter divorce. Guess it beat resuming her Polish maiden name. "Entertaining with Martha Pljoskja"--or whatever her name was-- doesn't have the same cachet.

10540. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 3:17:19 PM

I love champagne.

10541. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 3:18:43 PM

Wombat, she said essentially the same thing, and it's Kostyra. She's Polish.

10542. Wombat - 8/14/2001 3:20:59 PM

Heh heh, Boone's Farm Apple Wine or Strawberry Hill; Taylor Cold Duck (avec un buchon plastique); Wild Irish Rose...ah youth.

10543. janjon - 8/14/2001 3:21:41 PM

(a) The Wall Street Journal's Friday edition always has an interesting column by their wine expert/columnists (a very hip married couple now in their late 30s I would think.) At any rate, savvy they are. And, sometime within the last month or so, they had a column about French rose wines. Approvingly. I still am not sold, but hey who said that I was savvy or hip.

(b) Martha Stewart wrote an amazing article (I think it was in the New York Times Sunday Magazine a couple of years ago about her pulling up stakes from Westport, CT and how, in her view, it was such a nasty, egotistic, unfriendly place. People I know there were amazed since in the uniform opinion of all who had encountered her here and there around town over the years, that description fit her to a T.

I think she is obsessed, driven, clearly cheap and has both a terrific staff and wonderful p.r. people.

I never knowingly buy her products.

10544. thoughtful - 8/14/2001 3:24:02 PM

Martha Kostyra. Of course it worked for Ralph Lauren too whose real name is Lipschitz. Can you imagine? Polo by Lipschitz.

10545. bubbaette - 8/14/2001 3:24:23 PM

I guess there's nothing wrong with Martha Stewart if you like that sort of thing. But I think it's a matter of where and how you choose to spend your time and money. No doubt a christmas garland of hand-gilded pinecones and dried magnolia leaves would be just spiffy. But those handy dandy instructions don't really clue you in that you'll need about 40 hours to construct it and it won't look like the model on t.v., and that you don't have any of the supplies that you need in the first place.

10546. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:25:36 PM

Oh wow, did anyone here ever succumb to Spañada?

10547. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:26:50 PM

bubbaette:

I sent you an instant message over the sea...

10548. PsychProf - 8/14/2001 3:27:28 PM

No, but I have 6 Veg-o-Matics.

10549. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:29:50 PM

Champagne, a hefty price to pay for bad-tasting fizz. I do not like it, and no apologies.

10550. thoughtful - 8/14/2001 3:31:35 PM

For westporters, known for their egos and snobbishness, to find someone even more snobbish is truly a feat. Of course, I think they didn't like her because she used her home as her production studio....westporters want peace and quiet in their neighborhoods, not production studios, vans, trucks, lighting, photo crews, etc. Naturally she found them nasty as they wouldn't let her have her own way and made her shell out for a new production studio on the commercial side of town. Musta just killed her to spend the extra dough. Just think...rather than getting her house decorated for the next holiday and being able to write it off as a business expense, she had to pay to have that done separately! After all, she had been charging the firm for the use of her house as a studio and once she moved, she couldn't write it off anymore. Poor baby.

10551. janjon - 8/14/2001 3:32:16 PM

Well, I must say that that surprises me, Loar.

To me, champagne is one of the most civilized parts of life.

Especially now that the French-owned California vineyards put out very good stuff at about half the price of the mediocre level of French labels.

I wound never pay for something like, say, Dom Perignon, though.

10552. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:32:22 PM

Boone's Farm Apple Wine. In university I used to do very bad things with parts of my Hong Kong girlfriend and Boone's Farm. Well beyond the obvious.

10553. Absensia - 8/14/2001 3:32:42 PM

Cold Duck, anyone?

10554. janjon - 8/14/2001 3:34:34 PM

Oh, the article was much more directed towards personal frailities (everyone else in Westport had them according to Martha and boy was she glad to leave to get to where there were normal people doing normal and fun things) than it was any upset over real estate usage squabbles.

It really was a mouth opener and I didn't know much about her image in that town at the time.

10555. PsychProf - 8/14/2001 3:35:06 PM

Ahh, Scott...Boone's Farm....memories. Yes, Abs...I'll have a glass.

10556. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:35:18 PM

I'm telling ya, Spañada was the absolute worst! It came in gallon jugs molded at the bottom to look like bunches of grapes. The bottles were cool; the wine was dreck.

10557. thoughtful - 8/14/2001 3:37:57 PM

10558. thoughtful - 8/14/2001 3:39:02 PM

forgive the double post...certainly wasn't worth the space.

10559. Absensia - 8/14/2001 3:40:02 PM

(_) Here you go, PP, no champagne glasses around...the mug will have to do!

10560. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:45:57 PM

Well, I thought I had a brandy snifter emoticon but it screwed up in preview.

10561. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 3:49:24 PM

I am no more interested in MS's skirmishes with the locals than I would be if it were Ted TUrner or Rupert Murdoch.

Thoughtful, I would argue that MS isn't snobbish at all but presents a very utilitarian, democratized approach to home improvement and the pursuit of the good life. I can't see what is so terrible about rousing a broad range of bored american housewives (myself excluded naturally) out of their ruts, and inspiring them to do more with their time and energy.

Is it not far better than sending them self-hating messages from magazines like Allure, Vogue and Glamour where they are told to buy 101 products boost their morales? At least they are inspired to do something positive with themselves, whether or not they live up to the standards of the magazine. And I don't even think perfection is the point.

10562. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 3:52:05 PM

Go, Webbie!

(I especially agree with the remarks about Glamour and Allure.)

10563. janjon - 8/14/2001 3:55:38 PM

the only thing of interest about her interactions with the locals is what it says about her assessment of herself and of others, and how (apparently) out of whack she is - especially about herself.

I am sure it doesn't stop her from putting out inspiring ideas about frou-frou. Enjoy.

10564. ScottLoar - 8/14/2001 3:56:15 PM

Yes, everything Webfeet says in Message # 10561 is true and as a heterosexual male I can't stand the woman (Martha Stewart, not Webfeet, whom I find beguiling).

10565. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 4:05:21 PM

ha ha ha! so endearing your are, scottso.

Seriously, it's just about being a doer, judith, rather than a neurotic little sociopath, shopping for the perfect moisturizer and outfit.

I feel genuinely satisfied after finishing one of her recipes, or after I take up some of her home improvement suggestions, or if I learn about plants--a subject I know zero about. if you can create a better aesthetic environment, if you can learn something new, than you keep the crew happy, and yourself, too.

Some of it is too precious for words--like making your own cocktail umbrellas--but it's a guide, nothing more. You take from it what you need.

10566. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 4:09:07 PM

janjon:

It's not frou-frou to learn the proper way to hone your knives or a more organized way to store linens. Not all of her stuff is cutesy, as Webbie says.

10567. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 4:10:47 PM

I don't mind sounding off like Susan Faludi or Naomi Wolfe on the subject of woman's magazines and products, but I strongly feel that those are 'negative' reinforcers rather than positive reinforcers for a woman's self esteem.

Why not despise the scaley female counterpart to Mr. Burns--Anna Wintour? She keeps women hating themselves, whereas Oprah and Stewart are just trying to open up a few new doors, rechanneling the message, providing them with more positive and attainable goals than looking like Gisele in a bikini.

10568. janjon - 8/14/2001 4:16:32 PM

well, I must admit I speak from ignorance. I don't think I've actually watched more than a glimpse of Martha Stewart and I've never read any of her publications. For some reason, though, those awfully cutsy wreathes and that ad of her coating her swimming pool with cut up Amex cards resonate in terms of my image of her.

10569. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 4:18:00 PM

I am handing that one to you, loar.

On another subject, frenchcat and i had a huge fight about cheeses this weekend.

The problem is that we have different defintiions of what cheese you eat solo as opposied to cheese that is used for cooking.

It started out with a trip to the supermarket. Frenchcat said he wanted to buy cheese. Noticing that we had 6 or 7 cheeses inthe fridge, I said,
"But we have cheese!"

ANd he said, looking at me as if I were nuts, "no we don't. I didn't see any/"

"But we have provolone, feta, cheddar, gruyère, american.."

"those are not cheeses. I am talking about the kind of cheese you eat and not the ones you cook with."

There was a heated back and forth as to what defined cheeses you eat and cheeses you cook with, and finally, I relented, citing cultural differences.

Marital lesson #68: Never, never, ever argue with a frenchman about cheeses! you will lose.

10570. thoughtful - 8/14/2001 4:18:36 PM

Webbie, you and I will have to just disagree on this one. A democratized approach to home improvement? She had a whole show on how I chose my custom made boat. Gee, that's advice I'm sure I'll need many times to come in my future. Got to see the boat and all.

Told to go buy a 101 products to boost their morale? Martha doesn't make anyone go out and buy anything...you can order it all through her website, and she tells you that often enough, and for lots of money too...far more than what you'd pay for it in the store. Before her website, one husband wrote how much he hated MS as his wife had him running all over hell'n'gone trying to find some obscure thing that Martha said was needed to make a certain thing.

Try watching HGTV sometime...lots of shows with lots of folks showing you all kinds of home improvement projects, practical advice, ways to save money and by a lot nicer people. Try the cooking channel and the discovery channel on daytime too. I'd rather watch Christopher Lowell plowing through the metal bin at some supply warehouse than watch Martha antiquing in the Hamptons.

10571. Wombat - 8/14/2001 4:21:29 PM

He allows American cheese in the house? That shows exceptional tolerance on his part

10572. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 4:22:04 PM

It's slightly scary the way I am now speaking english the way my husband speaks english. I refer to the 'cheeses', it's the same thing when he says 'clothes-es'. Now I am doing it. I am also calling dinner lunch. Ah, well.

10573. JudithAtHome - 8/14/2001 4:24:58 PM

Thoughtful:

I don't watch MS and love HGTV but only watch it occassionally. I still don't think Martha is all bad...she is what she is. But in the past, I've seen a few things she featured which were helpful.
And I'll watch Atilla the Hun go antiquing...I love seeing that stuff.

However, I think Webbie is dead on about Anna Wintour and her magazine.

10574. janjon - 8/14/2001 4:25:10 PM

I don't get the "calling dinner lunch" reference. Nothing clicks in terms of juxstaposing or intertwining French and English. At least for me.

10575. Webfeet - 8/14/2001 4:25:32 PM

Point taken, thoughtful. It is a self-serving enterprise, no doubt. But don't forget she helped start the wave of making k-mart and other stores like it cool. You don't have to feel shitty if you can't afford the swank stuff.

But tonight I will keep what you say in mind as I sip Martha' Arctic Mint Juleps and will toast your resistance.

But don't forget she helped start the wave of making k-mart and other stores like it cool. You don't have to feel shitty if you can't afford the good stuff.

10576. Jenerator - 8/14/2001 5:53:33 PM

At K-mart her paint is $12 - $20 a gallon. You can order $90 a gallon paint off of her website. Either way, you'll get a quality paint.

Webfeet,

I read some of the beauty magazines in addition to Vanity Fair...Vogue, Allure and InStyle. The only two things that really drive me nuts are 1)when they have headlines that read "Curves are In!" and feauture photo spreads of models like Nikki Taylor (who is my height but weighs 45!!!! pounds less than me, and I'm thin) and 2)when they feature "affordable" looks that are comprised of St. John suits and accessorized with Manolo Blahnik shoes and Cartier jewelry.

If they're going to push for anorexic and expensive, don't try to package it otherwise!

10577. joezan - 8/14/2001 9:30:31 PM

I've just returned from a 3-day conference, and our final session this a.m. was on Gender-specific Issues in Juvenile Justice.

The high-point of this presentation was, coincidentally, a 1/2-hr film, Killing Us Softly (pt. 3), which was entirely about the subjectivization of women/girls in advertising. Anyone ever seen this (or either of the first two parts)?

Very powerful stuff - many magazine ads and tv commercials I've seen (but never really noticed) were examined from a female perspective by the host.

The one that impacted me most was a magazine ad I've seen for a women's watch company:

The model is a young woman - maybe 18 - excruciatingly thin, probably anorexic. She is for all intents and purposes nude, but draped over her no doubt nonexistent chest is some diaphanous beige material.

Otherwise, all she wears is a heavy, chunky gold watch on her arm -around her i>biceps!

At the top left of the page, it says:

Put on some weight!

Horrible, when you think about it.

10578. joezan - 8/14/2001 9:32:38 PM

...uh, biceps, that is.

10579. joezan - 8/14/2001 9:42:53 PM

Wow - the Tall Ships ran into some trouble leaving port yesterday...

10580. thoughtful - 8/15/2001 8:49:34 AM

Ah dear webbie, you and I are a breed apart. I am definitely from peasant stock. I've never felt lousy shopping in K-marts, or Woolworths or other five and dime stores, salvation army stores, flea markets, tag sales and places in the awful side of town that you would probably never even pass on the street let alone go in. I've been a bargain hunter all my life and come from a long line of bargain hunters. Where I shop and how much I spend is not relevant to my self esteem. However, how much I spend relative to the value received is a major factor in my success as a "shopper."

I won't say that all of Martha's ideas are useless. I will give her credit for a bargain I enjoyed. I have a pair of alabaster lamps from the 1930s but the shades were awful. I went to a lamp shade store and was told $85-$100 each to have the shades professionally redone. Martha had a segment showing how you can recover shades using satin ribbon so I did the job for $15 each. Not bad.

But a lot of her ideas are simply OTT. I am not going to gold leaf easter eggs, and I am not going to grow a pot of fresh grass weeks in advance so I can use it on a ham. Ain't happening. And I get floored when I see a segment with Martha and some poor schmuck on her show demonstrating how to fold sheets for your linen closet, expressing how important it is for you and your partner to coordinate the timing of the folds. Please!

10581. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 9:12:26 AM

Well, folding sheets or making the bed with your honey can be a good thing, thoughtful.;-)

10582. thoughtful - 8/15/2001 9:15:34 AM

J@h, more fun messing up the sheets... a much much better thing!

10583. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 9:28:14 AM

I know...that's what I meant!

10584. Jenerator - 8/15/2001 10:00:56 AM

My first experience watching Martha featured a winter show. She was illustrating how to have fresh herbs year round, even if one lives in a freezing climate. It was simple, just build a solar paneled garden that's sunken and takes up less room. After a hard day's work, make the prefect cup of cocoa using only freshly hatched eggs, imported Belgian cream, and copper bottomed saucepans exclusively from Germany. All 50 lbs of ingredients made that *one* perfect cup.
I was fascinated by how impractical the show was, so I had to watch the next one and thankfully, it was entirely more useful.

10585. thoughtful - 8/15/2001 10:11:23 AM

Of course, the point as you can tell from my comments is that I do watch Martha. I especially enjoy the shows where her mother demonstrates how to make the traditional Polish dishes that are like those my and hubby's grandmothers used to make. Alas they are no longer around to show me how and I appreciate seeing how it's done. But I do admit that most of my fun watching MS is loving to hate her.

10586. Shannon - 8/15/2001 10:16:00 AM

I can't watch the show--her voice is way too calm and sleep-inducing.

One of my best friends from college went to work for her magazine. Freaked me right the hell out, I tell you. But I've since bought the magazine because of that, and it did have a couple of recipes that weren't too ludicrous. I also went to her webpage, and I will say I like her gardening stuff. She has a nifty plant encyclopedia.

10587. bubbaette - 8/15/2001 10:25:37 AM

I picture MS as the queen of 1001 nifty little projects you're never really going to do. You may intend to do them -- you may even go so far as to purchase or otherwise line up the ingredients/parts. But they will sit there unused and taking up space, serving as a testiment to good intention and reproach to your lack of industry.

10588. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 10:38:08 AM

Ha! That's why I neve succumb to any suggestions from her but the practical ones, like rotating the mattresses when Daylight Savings Time starts or ends...

10589. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 10:38:28 AM

neveR

10590. bubbaette - 8/15/2001 10:44:11 AM

I'm learning, Judith. I have enough unfinished projects already without needing an unfinished project generator like Martha Stewart.

10591. Jenerator - 8/15/2001 10:53:01 AM

I'd be interested in hearing what the most impractical topics anyone has seen on her show were.

10592. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 11:03:50 AM

Back when I watched it, I thought the hand stamped napkins were a time consumer without a payoff.

10593. seadate - 8/15/2001 11:06:00 AM

Judith makes up for the lack of hand-stamped napkins by being a warm and delightful hostess.

10594. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 11:12:08 AM

Why, thank you, BB!

Howyadoin'?

10595. Jenerator - 8/15/2001 11:12:10 AM

Judith,

My mom received red napkins with the gold emblazoned name "Marsha" on them (all 100 of them) last Christmas from the wife of one of the big cheeses at work. Yes, we think they're tacky, but they've provided a great laugh or two.

Whenever I'm at MarshaMe's house, she serves drinks with these napkins and we joke as though they're businss cards. Plus, half the fun is trying to dispose of them in creative ways.

10596. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 11:13:29 AM

Tell your mom they can double as handerchiefs and be casually dropped in front of good looking guys...

10597. seadate - 8/15/2001 11:20:02 AM

Doin' ok, LS. Good to hear Klaus is back to normal. What's the Atlantic URL?

10598. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 11:26:30 AM

Post&Ripost

But a warning: no cafes and I'm only on the TV forum, which you eschew, I recall...

10599. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 11:27:16 AM

Riposte has an E at the end...sorry.

10600. seadate - 8/15/2001 11:32:25 AM

I've been watching a bit more lately ;)

10601. ronski - 8/15/2001 11:37:34 AM

Re: rose wines. I like them. The demi-sec's (semi-sweet) are good as an aperatif. My town's liquor store carries one, Domaine Chupin, which is nice and about eight bucks (and you can probably find it cheaper).

They also carry a dry one called "L'Estandon," from Cotes de Provence, which is good with a light meal.

A lot of "white merlots" have been turning up lately from large U.S. vineyards, following sales success with white zinfandels. The latter can be a bit acidic, and the former (usually a very dark pink) can be a bit on the sweet side. But they are not expensive and are worth a try if you are not philosophically opposed to rose wines.

10602. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 11:59:10 AM

I don't mind them occassionally, like at a party when you don't want to drink much and just want to sip something. What comes to mind is a gallery opening when they usually put out whites and rosés in case someone spills...

10603. ycmeehan - 8/15/2001 12:26:38 PM

webfeet,
If you haven't read it already, for you and Frenchcat
As far as the fougasse is concerned, I did not know that it was a specialty of the Alps. According to my brother, the vignerons of the Mont Ventoux brought it to Haute-Provence.

10604. ronski - 8/15/2001 12:30:42 PM

I love all the washed cheeses.

10605. ScottLoar - 8/15/2001 12:36:19 PM

Havarti with dill, good to munch, good to cook.

10606. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 12:39:44 PM

Scott,

I'll ditto that one...great for omelets!

10607. ScottLoar - 8/15/2001 12:43:44 PM

Ah, you read my own breakfast which is exactly what I had this morning plus porto bello mushrooms.

10608. theDiva - 8/15/2001 1:02:40 PM

this thread is hugely entertaining. love the MS discussion.

10609. janjon - 8/15/2001 1:04:49 PM

love the discussion, hate the calculating hyped up lady - that's my motto.

10610. Frankster - 8/15/2001 1:06:58 PM

Deev,

I don't know if you were serious, or putting us on, but I LOL on that last post.

10611. Frankster - 8/15/2001 1:08:44 PM

By the way, guys. I had eggplant off the grill the other night ( The crowd roars ), and it was actually quite good.

Will my palate ever be the same again ?

10612. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 1:12:23 PM

Kudos to Franque!!

10613. seadate - 8/15/2001 1:13:29 PM

Beats beans and weenies, eh Frank.

BTW, weekend before last was a blast. I'm glad you were there.

10614. Frankster - 8/15/2001 1:23:17 PM

Thanks, y'all! The feeling is mutual, Sea. It was good visiting with you guys also. I can't wait to do it again someday. Only next time, let's do it when it's a bit cooler, okay ? I really want to get a glimpse of those museums in Fort Worth, and ride a bike in Arkansas.

And, it goes without saying that the red carpet is extended for any of you out here in little ol' San Diego should you ever come out to visit.

Judith -- Did you guys get a glimpse of that tape yet ? And, yesterday I actually had some time to go look for footwear, but could not find any ones similar to Keoni's. They were all open toe, which I don't care for. I even went to Nordstroms. Yech!

10615. Frankster - 8/15/2001 1:27:39 PM

Seadate -- Before I forget, send me your address to me_palani@yahoo.com. There is something I want to send you that I think you will enjoy, and it nope, it isn't an inflatable doll. (g)

10616. thoughtful - 8/15/2001 1:31:21 PM

seadate...beans & weanies...I'm impressed with your talent. Somehow I find it so hard to balance those little beans on the grill without them falling through to the flames below. Then try turning the little suckers.

10617. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 1:31:50 PM

Frank, yes, we watched a good bit of it Monday night! It's really hysterical...and I agree, better than the American version.

10618. theDiva - 8/15/2001 1:40:29 PM

thoughtful

tweezers.

frank

joking? moi? (you COOKED!)

10619. seadate - 8/15/2001 1:40:38 PM

Frank, comin' at ya.

thoughtful,

Being such a picky eater, Frank probly won't eat them anyway, so they might as well fall through the holes in the grill ... easier cleanup, yaknow.

10620. Frankster - 8/15/2001 2:04:00 PM

Alright, alright, enough of the cooking jokes, y'all. It's actually been pasta ( Thank the Spencers for that ), and steak and potatos of late. It's been awhile since I've cooked any beans and weenies.

Deev -- The neighbor had the grill out two nights ago, and it was HE, not I, that had the grilled eggplant going. He offered, and I, shall we say, "indulged". It was actually very good.

You guys got me thinking about Arkansas again. I could jog and ride my bike on those country roads there everyday without fearing a bumper up my ass, or a rollerblader cutting me off. What beauty and serenity.

Judith -- I'm glad you enjoyed the tape, although some of the earlier shows on it were kind of flat to me. Stephen Frost, the bald English gentleman, is usually funnier, but I think I caught Greg Proops at his best. :-)

10621. theDiva - 8/15/2001 2:27:12 PM

Frankie

sigh. Grilled eggplant. If you lived here I could teach you how to cook.

10622. Jenerator - 8/15/2001 2:47:09 PM

I KNEW that Frank was a southern gentleman. My suspicions have been confirmed.

10623. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 2:52:44 PM

Jen:

Franque handled the south just like a pro! He's a natural, all right, especially the gentlemanly part. My friend Ann was very impressed...

10624. Absensia - 8/15/2001 2:59:15 PM

Diva...how are you? I've missed seeing you these last few days?

10625. Frankster - 8/15/2001 3:01:16 PM

I KNEW that Frank was a southern gentleman. My suspicions have been confirmed.

Jen -- Southern gentleman eat eggplant ? What makes me appear "southern", child ?

Judith -- Tell Ann that it was I who got the best of it. She certainly follows her politics around thar, doesn't she ?
By the way, what became of your other friend ?

Oh, and next time I'm down you will see me with the benefit of two or three weeks of hard cycling. There is a world of difference if you can recall what we spoke about at one time ( The Paris picture ) ?

10626. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 3:07:23 PM

I thought I'd told you the other friend was visiting in Chicago...got free tickets and took off...

10627. Jenerator - 8/15/2001 5:40:56 PM

Frank,

You're a southern gentleman becuse of how nice you are and because of how much everybody loves you immediately.

If you eat eggplant, it had better be barbecued darlin!;-)

10628. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 5:55:48 PM

So Jen...are you teaching agian this year?

10629. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 5:56:08 PM

...or even again....

10630. Frankster - 8/15/2001 6:06:16 PM

Jen,

You're a southern gentleman becuse of how nice you are and because of how much
everybody loves you immediately.

( Boy, I'm glad to see that all those acting lessons actually paid off. Whew!)

10631. Jenerator - 8/15/2001 8:17:02 PM

Who's acting, them or you?

Judith,

I'm taking a break from teaching. I may pursue certification later. If anything, I'll go back in January or maybe I'll substitute teach. Because I wasn't certified, I only get credit in that district, so I'd have to stay within it for the time being. Ugh.

I loved the hours and a handful of the kids. I wish that the administration had been more supportive and more effective.

10632. Frankster - 8/16/2001 2:59:05 AM

Jen,

Who's acting, them or you?

Me, Silly! And, if you didn't catch it in an earlier post somewhere, I think that part of Texas ( Dallas/Fort Worth ) that you reside in is very beautiful.

... I actually took a Drama course in college and also took part in a play for a friend now that I think about it.

God, those were the good ol'days.

G'night!

10633. thoughtful - 8/16/2001 2:48:42 PM

On the Martha Stewart Disease. I had forgotten about her spreading gunk on terra cotta pots to make them mold!

10634. JudithAtHome - 8/16/2001 2:50:35 PM

Hey, that was one of my faves, thoughtful!!;-)

10635. Ms. No - 8/16/2001 2:56:58 PM

Anybody have a good web resource for renderings of Flowers and Climbing vines?

10636. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 5:43:26 PM

Frank,
It's about 15 degrees cooler than it was when you were here. We've had two cold fronts come through since then. It would be a great biking area except for the lack of shoulders. There a number of really nice trails around for biking and walking and lots of quiet and pretty byroads, if you don't mind gravel.

10637. JudithAtHome - 8/16/2001 5:46:55 PM

Or he could go to Hot Springs and ride down that hill!

10638. glendajean - 8/16/2001 5:58:13 PM

Speaking of gravel ...

I often watch "Ground Forces" on BBC America, a show about sneaking into someone's garden and doing a makeover for 1500 pounds in two days while they are away, then surprising them with a new garden space.

Alan Titsmarsh, the host, often uses lots of gravel in his gardens. The look is fine, and there is a tradition of it in Europe, but I often think of how impractical gravel is in places like Texas, because of the tremendous heat, not to mention our prolific weeds, or err, native plants.

The best gravel gardens, imo, are the ones that fade into things like bunches of lavendar, a sort of semi-messy or casual cottage garden.

Part of my dislike of gravel stems back to my childhood in the 60s, when so-called rock gardens were popular in Texas. These usually consisted of a triangle of a yard covered in thick white gravel, with a couple of prickly pairs and some other sort of cactus planted, and a cow skull thrown in for good measure.

The asthetics of such a sight in the middle of the summer heat were depressing enough, but I hated seeing the eventual deterioration by vegetation breaking through the gravel. If a garden is an inviting place, an outdoor stone oven with a cow skull somehow sends another message.

10639. Jenerator - 8/16/2001 6:03:14 PM

Glenda,

I use to watch that show often, but the only thing I didn't like was the constant use of steel or building materials as sculptures in the gardens.

10640. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 6:45:21 PM

He'd better make sure his brakes were good, Judith!

BTW, my last question in TT's Housekeeping Q&A was answered, "vinegar," which didn't work, and neither did bleach. It's like a film, but it won't rub off. It disappears when the glass is wet and reappears when it dries. About half my glasses are like that. It was just one dishwashing cycle and it's driving me crazy trying to figure out what caused it. At least it only happened once.

10641. JudithAtHome - 8/16/2001 6:51:11 PM

I have that happen inside some of my glasses and all I do is wipe them with a dry paper towel...just sort of rub it away. Let me know if this works.

I saw your question...for some reason, I didn't think to suggest just rubbing it with a paper towel...if this doesn't work, it must be a different sort of film than I'm used to.

10642. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 7:04:29 PM

I tried that several times before anything else. Maybe I should use a brillo pad or something, and see if it will scratch off. They're cheap glasses, but some of the stainless has a lot of sentimental value, since it was a present from Bob's grandfather for his first marriage and was monogrammed (one reason we're the ones who have it--heh heh).

10643. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 7:05:49 PM

It's not like water spots or typical film. It looks somewhat like it, but it sure doesn't go away. It's really weird.

10644. Absensia - 8/16/2001 7:13:25 PM

baking soda, diluted? maybe household ammonia, deluted, and then washed well?

10645. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 7:14:33 PM

Thanks, Abs. I'll try both.

10646. Absensia - 8/16/2001 7:17:56 PM

Hope something works...it's hard to keep trying. I assumed you've tried yelling: "Out out, damned spot."

10647. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 7:22:36 PM

Hahaha. We used to have a cat named Spot and Bob loved saying that to him every time he ran in the house.

10648. Absensia - 8/16/2001 7:36:13 PM

Hahaha.

10649. thoughtful - 8/16/2001 8:52:55 PM

my husband swears by mineral spirits...he tries it on everything ... only wash the glasses well afterward. I have a nice decanter that got destroyed by our hard water. It has a narrow neck so I can't get inside to dry it...air drying took a long time and when it was done, the glass was etched. So frustrating.

10650. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 9:45:10 PM

Our water is great. I really can't figure out what did this. It's never happened before and hasn't happened since, thank goodness, or I'd really be in a pickle. Something must've gotten washed in with that particular load, but I can't for the life of me figure out what. It was during that big party weekend, though, so it could've been about anything.

10651. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 9:46:02 PM

BTW, I hate that about your decanter. It's really upsetting to have a nice piece ruined like that.

10652. arkymalarky - 8/16/2001 9:48:04 PM

Not ruined, but unintentionally etched. Intentionally etched is nice, of course.

10653. Jenerator - 8/16/2001 11:52:39 PM

arky,

My mom's best friend has one of the largest and best collections of American and European cut glass, etched glass, and cameo glass in the West.

She cleans the pieces she buys at auction with denture cleaner and a tooth brush. I've seen her turn some filthy vases into real stunners.

Try that on your filmy residue.

10654. Absensia - 8/16/2001 11:56:49 PM

Arky, what Jen says rings a bell..I'd try it first.

10655. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 9:50:39 AM

Oh, Ok. I'll get some today when I go to the store. If it takes a toothbrush, it's too much work on the cheap glasses and stainless, but for the few pieces that are important it would definitely be worth it.

10656. ScottLoar - 8/17/2001 10:40:14 AM

Better you try Simple Green Lime Scale Remover or Lime-A-Way. Read the applications then see which is best. Besides, once bought you can apply either of these products to porcelain pots, bathroom sinks and tubs, chrome fixtures, and other metal ofjects.

10657. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 10:42:49 AM

Sounds like something I should have around the house anyway. Thanks Scott.

10658. Frankster - 8/17/2001 11:41:25 AM

Arky,

Frank,
It's about 15 degrees cooler than it was when you were here. We've had two cold fronts come through since then. It would be a great biking area except for the lack of shoulders. There a number of really nice trails around for biking and walking and lots of quiet and pretty byroads, if you don't mind gravel.

Gravel's fine, dear. It gives in a sense. I would just love to jump on a bicycle and ride for miles upon miles without having to worry about any sort of the traffic I'm accustom to.
By the way, what's a cold front like in your parts for this time of year, anything under 90 ? ;-)

What's this hill Judith talks about in Little Rock all about ?

... I think I brought back some of that heat and humidity from Arkansas and Texas. It's been warm and humid out here of late.

10659. JudithAtHome - 8/17/2001 11:48:12 AM

The hill is in Hot Springs, Franque.

10660. Jenerator - 8/17/2001 12:00:24 PM

Finally Judith, we have rain too! And a lot of it! I'm looking out at the backyard and seeing the plants literally plump up before my eyes. My flowers are screaming with delight.

This is great!

10661. JudithAtHome - 8/17/2001 12:02:53 PM

No kidding...the local weather people certainly thought so; they kept coming on and saying "It's raining out there and we have thunder and lightening, too!" like we weren't aware of that fact.

It had been 84 days without rain....

10662. Frankster - 8/17/2001 12:04:04 PM

Judith,

Is it a big hill ? I've got hills out here ya know.

10663. JudithAtHome - 8/17/2001 12:19:20 PM

It's a veritable mountain, Franque.

10664. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 12:51:08 PM

It is as Judith says, but I'm sure nothing you're not used to. It has a beautiful view of the town.

By the way, what's a cold front like in your parts for this time of year, anything under 90 ? ;-)

I know you're kidding, but yep. AR weather is generally very tolerable almost all year round except for July and August. Last year was horrendous, though, and the weatherman said yesterday that last year's temp on the same day was 106.

10665. Frankster - 8/17/2001 1:05:00 PM

Arky,

Of course I'm kidding, young lady.

So what's the "perfect" time to visit, in case we ever get together again ( We will ) ?
I would have loved to just walk around the woods in your area, but the humidity on that weekend just made it impossible for someone of my bourgeois sensitivities ( wink, wink ) to go out to explore the natural beauty of the nearby terrain.

How hot was it when we were there ? Ninety-eight or so ?

10666. thoughtful - 8/17/2001 1:13:25 PM

No one ever comes and visits me. }:-(

Oh? You mean I have to invite people? Tell them who I am? Where I live?

Ah! There's the rub!

10667. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 1:14:06 PM

The very best times to visit AR are fall and spring. I used to love fall best, but as more hardwoods are replaced by pines (don't get me started) I find I enjoy early March through about May. The air is so clear it hurts. June was great this year, too, but the bugs really start to wake up about then. Daffodils usually bloom in February, and sometimes it's not too cold to enjoy them.

AR is generally a very cheap place to vacation, too. There are lots of nice places to camp and hike and for just about any other outdoor activity.

There's lots of good stuff here.

The lake on the front page is very accessible from my house--less than an hour's drive.

10668. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 1:15:12 PM

Oh, and it probably was around 98 for the high that day. The humidity is what gets you, though.

10669. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 1:16:39 PM

You'd never regret it, Thoughtful. I wouldn't trade that weekend for a million bucks.

10670. alistairconnor - 8/17/2001 1:25:04 PM

Yeah, we just spent two weeks in North Carolina and most of the time it was just too damn hot to even think of doing anything outdoors, other than going to the pool. We wanted to get out and about in the mornings, but we never managed to get everyone organised till at least 10am.

10671. PsychProf - 8/17/2001 1:27:25 PM

AC...did you get to Wilmington?

10672. arkymalarky - 8/17/2001 1:28:56 PM

People are welcome to come see us any time and we've got good air conditioning and plenty of porches and shady spots with fans, but unless you can be entertained by that and our company for more than a day or two, it's best not to make it a summer vacation spot. That's why we go to the family cabin in the Rockies about every other summer.

10673. joezan - 8/18/2001 10:12:22 AM

Went fishing about 175 miles north of here, at a big, crystal-clear lake.
These were the biggest fish I saw.

Here, they're chewing on my foot - just the left one, for some odd reason.

10674. arkymalarky - 8/18/2001 10:19:29 AM

Nice set of toes. Love that flip-flop tan.

10675. joezan - 8/18/2001 10:23:43 AM

The white part is my sunburn gauge...when it starts turning pink, I put on the sunblock.

10676. joezan - 8/18/2001 11:02:51 AM

Our cabin:

10677. JudithAtHome - 8/18/2001 11:08:19 AM

Very nice, Joe!!

10678. joezan - 8/18/2001 11:11:17 AM

Lying on a raft, staring at the sky:

10679. joezan - 8/18/2001 11:16:20 AM

Judith:

Yeah...I didn't really even miss not getting any fish.

This time, it was only for 2 days. We've been up there (Higgins Lake) for a whole week before, and it is absolutely beautiful.

It's a Michigan DNR training camp, which was built as a CCC project during the Depression. The accommodations are spartan, but obsessively clean and well thought-out.

10680. JudithAtHome - 8/18/2001 11:21:04 AM

I love that clouds picture!! It looks like a painting...

10681. JudithAtHome - 8/18/2001 11:57:03 AM

Different sort of day today: we're going with another couple to the mall to shop for clothes. This going to be fun...the guys will get clothes, the girls will get clothes. Everyone has to agree the clothes look good before we purchase.

Yes, I know it sounds frivilous but who cares?

10682. ScottLoar - 8/18/2001 1:30:08 PM

Wish I were goin' with ya'; if my taste dominates men would turn out like Edwardian toffs and the women like Parisienne strumpets circa 1790.

10683. JudithAtHome - 8/18/2001 1:37:19 PM

How ever did you guess our plans, Scott?

Seriously, this will be fun because the other guy isn't used to clothes shopping and my husband is very much into it.

10684. JudithAtHome - 8/18/2001 11:13:55 PM

Just in case anyone is wondering, I got 3 outfits and none looks like Parisienne strumpets circa 1790.

10685. Absensia - 8/18/2001 11:17:08 PM

Awww Judith, and here I was hoping for some excitement.

10686. joezan - 8/18/2001 11:17:57 PM

So, you opted for the Vegas Showgirl circa 2001 look?

10687. JudithAtHome - 8/19/2001 12:12:00 AM

You betcha, joezan...feathers and all!

10688. thoughtful - 8/19/2001 9:11:38 AM

the Fashion of the times came this weekend. What garbage...and they wonder why retail sales for clothing is down...why not design something that a) flatters and b) people can actually wear. It might also help if the models looked even ever so slightly like they were enjoying themselves (tho' in those heels a smile would require excellent acting) and it might also help if the lit the clothes enough in the photo to actually see them....but then again, if you could see them, you would probably never buy them. Ridiculous.

10689. joezan - 8/19/2001 9:50:13 AM

We took the 9 y.o. daughter shopping for school clothes yesterday.

She picks up a shirt to show us which,

a: Is obviously for an infant - I swear, it is maybe 6 inches tall, 4 inches wide, with short sleeves maybe 4 inches around, and...

b: looks as though it is made of tie-dyed, scrunched-up crepe paper.

And it is.

But it was in the Young Girls' Dept. It was a young girl's size. And the display says something about its incredible stretch-ability.

So, our daughter stretches it out to its full size, and I'll be dipped if it wouldn't "fit" your average 9-10 y.o. girl.

Of course, it would show the entire belly from about the sternum down, which would be just lovely when matched with the super-slim, hip-hugging jeans with the multi-colored trim at the bottom of the bells, on hangers right below the shirts.

What the hell are people thinking?

And what asshole would actually let their pre-teen daughter wear something like that.

Thankfully, our daughter found the whole get-up laughable, and proceeded on to the more appropriate stuff.

10690. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 10:06:56 AM

And what asshole would actually let their pre-teen daughter wear something like that.

I recount:

1) Parent who has no control over the pre-teen daughter;
2) Parent who doesn't care what the pre-teen daughter wears so long as it doesn't inconvenience them;
4) Pre-teen daughter who has control over the parent;
5) Pre-
teen daughter who doesn't care what the parent thinks as long as it doesn't inconvenience her;
6) Parent and pre-teen daughter who have remarkably yet commonly bad taste;
7) Parent and pre-teen daughter from southern California.

10691. Jenerator - 8/19/2001 11:29:10 AM

What's even more scary is that women wear those "dimple" shirts. I've seen them at Nordstrom's for $78!!

10692. Jenerator - 8/19/2001 11:32:53 AM

Regarding clothes, I am so excited!! I oredered this outfit just a week and a half ago and I got it the the mail yesterday! I love wearing these types of pants to the gym.

10693. Jenerator - 8/19/2001 11:35:43 AM

For those of you who work out, Malibu bodywear has some cute and functional outfits that aren't too over-the-top.

10694. arkymalarky - 8/19/2001 1:03:03 PM

I don't store shop a lot, but for catalogs I like Clifford&Wills. I get CitySpirit for some reason and I love their clothes, though they're a bit steep. I'm a very casual dresser and it's nice to find comfortable clothes that look good. Those two qualities aren't often seen together, imo.

As far as the preteen styles, you'd be surprised and disgusted how much the parents promote this kind of crap for their girls.

10695. arkymalarky - 8/19/2001 1:03:58 PM

BTW, the LimeAway didn't work. I'm thinking of going to the university chemistry department and having that stuff analyzed. I really can't imagine what did it.

10696. Jenerator - 8/19/2001 1:12:29 PM

Did you try denture cleaner?

10697. arkymalarky - 8/19/2001 1:28:55 PM

Blast. I knew I forgot something at the store. I'll get some.

10698. JudithAtHome - 8/19/2001 1:52:30 PM

Well, it's not like it's something you'd get regualrly...

We had a great time shopping...the store where I got my stuff was next door to Neimans and right across from the Godiva Boutique. We had chocolate truffles before dinner...a great way to have them!

10699. JudithAtHome - 8/19/2001 1:53:22 PM

regularly...I have dyslexic fingers, I guess.

10700. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 1:55:57 PM

Paris chic 1790-91 sans underwear (factual), the fabric often wetted to cling to the body, the breast often exposed:

10701. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 1:57:11 PM

For the demure:

10702. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 2:05:27 PM

For myself, 1902:

10703. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 2:09:33 PM

Eveningwear, 1910:

... but you get the general idea.

10704. Jenerator - 8/19/2001 2:24:25 PM

Yeah, but what does your cod piece look like?

10705. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 3:50:37 PM

Always open to speculation, only open by invitation. Are you applying for a preview?

10706. joezan - 8/19/2001 4:04:03 PM

Well, I'm neither as modest, nor demanding as Mr. Loar.

I know you didn't ask, Jenn, but mine looks just like those from A Clockwork Orange.

10707. ScottLoar - 8/19/2001 4:14:24 PM

Yes, and he goes for the complete eye mascara and cane as well.

10708. arkymalarky - 8/19/2001 9:53:51 PM

Well, the denture cleaner hasn't worked so far, but I'm going to soak the stainless overnight and we'll see.

10709. thoughtful - 8/20/2001 8:43:30 AM

good luck arky. Unfortunately stainless doesn't mean it doesn't stain...it means it stains less. I never had luck with denture cleaner either. Give the mineral spirits a try if that doesn't do it. It's also great at removing the glue from stubborn price stickers.

10710. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 10:40:57 AM

Scott

Tempted as I am, I'll have to settle for the mystery. Besides, I wouldn't know how to properly ask a man of your stature and expertise.

Joe,

A Clockwork Orange was on the other night. Funny you mention that.

---------

I'm actually wearing this right now and headed up to the gym ( I bough the shorts too!).

10711. glendajean - 8/20/2001 10:44:38 AM

I heard someone on a gardening show this weekend talking about using denture cleaner to clean old clay pots. I was on the treadmill (in much less flashy clothing than that posted above) and didn't catch the whole story.

This weekend, I dug up one new bed in my shade garden and started working on a new perennial bed in my front yard that will run parallel to another bed started earlier in the spring.

I used to always double-dig beds, but have taken to just turning the grass upside down, letting it rot into composted organic matter. Since I am not planting immediately, I have some time to do this. Over the next few weeks, I will also start adding bags of compost and peat, working it in, and cultivating out straggling surving vegetation by hoe.

When completed, my front yard will be divided into three sections, and I will actually have a garden up and running. I've decided on square buffered cement brick pavers for edging. The pavers are 6" x 6", and about 2" deep. Because they've been slapped around, they have a milky gray appearance that is stone-like in texture.

Lots of rain over the weekend. Luckily, I got my digging work in before it started.

10712. bubbaette - 8/20/2001 10:48:42 AM

I'm wearing my vinyl exercize muu muu with heavy cotton flannel backing to soak up excess sweat. I've also vasalined my thighs to keep them from chaffing when I'm on the treadmill.

10713. glendajean - 8/20/2001 10:52:03 AM

Good morning, Miss B. Lovely image. I wish we could see it.

BTW, I've officially declared that it is fall.

10714. theDiva - 8/20/2001 11:17:02 AM

Jen

I used to like you.

Damned hardbody babes.

(waddles off in search of a Twinkie.)

10715. theDiva - 8/20/2001 11:18:46 AM

joking aside, I'm just envious you have time for the gym. sigh.

Glenda

it isn't fall here. Dammit.

10716. bubbaette - 8/20/2001 11:22:48 AM

Glendajean

I assure you that I am a sight to behold in my workout garb.

We just joined Richmond Athletic Club last week -- got a family membership so Ms. Vole can go. But we haven't actually been to workout yet --that starts this evening.

10717. theDiva - 8/20/2001 11:26:00 AM

oh sure, Bubb, rub it in.

Vinyl muumuu, indeed. Damned hardbody babes.

10718. glendajean - 8/20/2001 11:32:50 AM

We joined a health club and realized that we spent most of our time on the treadmill. So we bought a treadmill and cancelled the membership. I am a little surprised, but my partner and I use it a lot.

For the past few days, it has been nights in the 50s and days in the 70s. I call that fall. At least, it is cool enough for me to do what I like to do in the fall: dig new beds, work old beds, divide, spend time in the garden.

10719. theDiva - 8/20/2001 11:35:12 AM

sigh

Wish it was that nice here, it has been the usual swampy Northern Virginia soup of an August.

10720. bubbaette - 8/20/2001 11:38:42 AM

I got the very front and side flower gardens weeded and mulched last week and put in a few mums for color in the side garden. But it's not quite cool here yet and the mosquitos are ferocious. I bought a few citronella torches for use outside last week and they seem to do pretty well in a limited space. I think I need to get about a dozen more and ring my gardens while I'm working outside. The breed of mosquito we have is especially pernicious. Dousing myself in "Off" only slows them down a little. Lately I've been having to wear long-handled shirts and pants to work in the garden and still come in with bites. Sure does put a damper on my pleasure in gardening.

10721. glendajean - 8/20/2001 11:44:22 AM

I put up with a certain amount of mosquito bites. When I was a kid, I would get whelps from them. It's not as big a deal now.

But then I read about the West Nile stuff, and I think, hmmm...

We'll probably all end up like Floridians and have a screen enclosure over our yards.

10722. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 12:53:05 PM

Bubba,

I had to get new spandex shorts because I wore my others ones out. They went with everything and looked so fashionable with high-heels.

Diva,

I think that Torrie Wilson is beautiful and very inspiring. I look at her body and I have to go to the gym and pump iron.

10723. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 1:13:53 PM

Love her black roots. That used to be tacky; has it become fashionable rather than lazy now?

10724. theDiva - 8/20/2001 1:20:40 PM

who is she?

10725. Absensia - 8/20/2001 1:28:21 PM

Well, I think wearing my spandex shorts with high heels is very chic...especially with those new net stockings!

10726. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 1:55:28 PM

Diva,

She's a former Ms. Fitness USA. She's super sweet and has a great attitude. She and I have similar builds, and so if I workout hard enough, I can have her body. Which I want!

Absensia,

Do you wear your shorts over your tights in the winter like I do?

10727. bubbaette - 8/20/2001 1:55:35 PM

My problem is that when I wear spandex bike shorts I look not unlike two link sausages with that little knot in the middle.

10728. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 1:58:46 PM

Wait til you get older, Bubb...the little knots will disappear.

10729. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 1:59:00 PM

10730. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 2:00:04 PM

Jen, you are already fresh; you don't need to REfresh.

10731. theDiva - 8/20/2001 2:03:32 PM

Jen

Except you'll be even more FAB.

Gosh, I miss weight training.

10732. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 2:04:23 PM

What do you mean? My shorts over my tights isn't fresh or looking like Torrie isn't fresh?

10733. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 2:05:28 PM

No, I meant double posting....

10734. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 2:10:21 PM

That's weird, I didn't hit the post button but once. Something strange is going on!

10735. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 2:11:28 PM

Bubba,

Do you wear bicycle shorts with the built in pad?

10736. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 2:20:08 PM

Last one

10737. bubbaette - 8/20/2001 2:42:57 PM

No Jen, I have the built in pad.

10738. theDiva - 8/20/2001 2:45:56 PM

do you suppose those are implants?

10739. janjon - 8/20/2001 2:47:08 PM

no, but they may have caps though.

10740. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 2:47:17 PM

If not, she is gifted.

10741. janjon - 8/20/2001 2:47:50 PM

either way, she's topheavy.

sigh.

10742. Absensia - 8/20/2001 2:52:34 PM

Jen,
No, in winter I wear my flannel fishnets. And if it's a formal affair, I usually add a tasteful set of pearls and earnings.

10743. theDiva - 8/20/2001 2:57:28 PM

jan

er....

oh, never mind.

10744. janjon - 8/20/2001 2:58:43 PM

diva. I was just trying to make a witty.

They may not be capped, but she's certainly using more than just tooth paste on them.

10745. theDiva - 8/20/2001 3:01:57 PM

I know, goofy, so was I.

Honestly, though, she has got to have breast implants. No way has someone with that little bodyfat going to have such full breasts otherwise.

10746. janjon - 8/20/2001 3:03:23 PM

trick photography.

10747. theDiva - 8/20/2001 3:04:08 PM

hm. Possibly.

10748. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 3:26:15 PM

This has got to be one of the weirdest fitness poses

I started my workout program today. I am probably being a bit too eager, bit I have it split this way:
M/Th - back and biceps, abs, calves
T/Fr-chest, shoulders and triceps, abs,
W/S - legs and glutes, abs
Sun. - off

10 minute min. cardio everyday except Sunday.

But what I realized is that even my fridge needs an overhaul. This is pathetic, but all that is in the fridge is the following:
orange juice
champagne
half & half
mangoes
eggs
snap peas
feta cheese
prosciutto
and condiments, including three different kinds of horseradish and five different mustards.

We have nothing to eat!

10749. theDiva - 8/20/2001 3:31:31 PM

Well, for one thing, her hands need to be flat on the ground and pointed forward, her thigh needs to be parallel to the ground, and she's hyperextending her glutes backwards.

But she's got a hell of a bod nonetheless.

10750. janjon - 8/20/2001 3:34:27 PM

who cares about those details, diva.

10751. Laura C - 8/20/2001 3:35:04 PM

Jen, I was going to ask you whether you eat the way the fitness stars do -six meals a day, few carbs, etc. I've read that diet is 75% of the results you get.

I like to weight-train, personally, but without a complete diet overhaul, I won't be looking like that!

10752. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 3:35:58 PM

But I think that pose and your point about body fat solves the dilemma of whether they are real or Memorex...

10753. janjon - 8/20/2001 3:37:54 PM

happy in her work, she is.

10754. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 3:44:35 PM

Laura,

When I'm disciplined and serious, diet is no problem. I usually elimate all milk products except for skim milk and anything I know to be bad. Most of the fitness diets are deceiving because they're training/competing diets used by body builders before show.

For JanJon:

10755. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 3:58:40 PM

Is everyone motivated to get more exercise now?

10756. theDiva - 8/20/2001 4:00:12 PM

Judith

answered handily, I'd say.

Jen

Motivated, oh yes. Motivation is never a problem, it's TIME that's the problem.

10757. thoughtful - 8/20/2001 4:02:56 PM

Funny, she doesn't do a thing for me. She looks way too artificial for my tastes. Give me someone real...I hope I can look half as good when I'm 86.

10758. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 4:09:10 PM

Jen,

Not particularily. I could work out 24/7 and not look like that. And frankly, I'm not losing any sleep over NOT looking like that. She's an attractive lady but doesn't send me into fits of longing to look like her.

I like the way I look and know there's not much I can do without plastic surgery to change it, anyhow...and they call it "plastic" for a reason.:-)

You can probably reach your goal with exercise and discipline and I hope you end up looking great and feeling great, too. But you look good enough to start with and so it's a realistic goal for you. Enjoy it!

10759. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:18:19 PM

I wasn't intending for everyone to want to look like Torrie Wilson, I just meant for everyone to feel motivated.

Here's a pic that makes me laugh. Any guesses as to why?;-)

10760. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:18:48 PM

Judith,

You're sweet and I appreciate that!

10761. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 4:19:38 PM

Because the guy has on a blow up shirt?

10762. PsychProf - 8/20/2001 4:20:00 PM

The guy is 4' 8" "tall"?

10763. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 4:20:38 PM

Oh, I've been meaning to ask..what do you think about the Rock and his wife having a little Pebbles?

10764. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:23:19 PM

well, the Rock (I call him Dwayne) and I decided that we could only be friends, and so I was happy when I heard about his nuptials and then his baby.

P.s. Both you and PP nailed the reasons as to why I laugh at that picture!

10765. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:23:54 PM

The Rock is only 29 years old. That depresses me.

10766. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:27:39 PM

In case you can't tell, I've been itching to let loose the Panty boyZ. Until I'm granted permission, you'll have to occasionally deal with silly pics. Like this one of the guy named Crab.

10767. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 4:28:29 PM

I think the Rock is cool; he has that flair for self promotion that ought to take him far in show biz.

10768. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 4:30:10 PM

The crab looks neutered.

10769. DanDillon - 8/20/2001 4:33:55 PM

Oh, what fun! Let's post lists of what everyone has in their fridge right at this very moment.

If the contents of your fridge are too numerous to list, then just give the highlights.

If you do not have a fridge, then get yourself out of that squalor (and tell us what you ate for your last meal).

10770. DanDillon - 8/20/2001 4:34:27 PM

Btw, I think you have a very nice body, Jen. And I know.

10771. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:36:52 PM

Dan,

So, what's in yer fridge?

10772. ScottLoar - 8/20/2001 4:40:54 PM

I am almost resolved to show a picture of myself, at leisure in my living room, if Jenerator posts a picture of herself, a picture of the same type that has demented DanDillon.

10773. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:42:05 PM

More fun than taking a fridge inventory.....let's talk about where Crab's willy is. Does he have one, if so, where?

10774. DanDillon - 8/20/2001 4:43:16 PM

The current contents of DanDillon's fridge (because you're dying to know):

Apple sauce
Cheater's garlic (chopped, in a jar)
Green olives
Yogurt
Milk
Chicken
Capers
Eggs
Sour cream
Cheeses (various)
Orange juice
Ketchup
Mustard
Pickle relish
Bar-b-que sauce
Heinz 57
Salad dressing (various)
Bread
Butter
Jellies & jams (various
Chutney
Bacon
Lettuce
Limes
Green pepper
Scallions
Carrots
Half n' half
Soda
Cranberry juice
Non-alcoholic beer
White wine
Mayonnaise
Tortillas
Cottage cheese
Peaches
Salsa Guacamole
Tomato juice
Muffins (various)

So, what does that say about me, hmm?

10775. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:43:20 PM

Dan,

I have no idea how to post that pic of me. I have to see Scott in his 18th Century garb.

10776. DanDillon - 8/20/2001 4:45:35 PM

ScottLoar,

You will find me pictured, in all my splendor, here.

10777. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 4:46:08 PM

Dan has BBQ sauce AND salsa guacamole. I man after my own heart!

10778. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 5:02:03 PM

In my fridge:

Eggs
Turkey
Sausage
Various cheeses
Pimento Cheese
Fat free Skim Milk
Orange Juice
Club Soda
Applesauce
Butter
Orange Marmalade
Mango Chutney
Capers
Jack Daniels Mustard
6 kinds of salad dressing
Hellmans Mayonaise
Cheaters Garlic
Cheaters Ginger
Romaine Lettuce
Carrots
Celery
Fresh Dates
Pickles
Pickled Asparagus
Pickled Mushrooms
Pickled Ginger
Apple Butter
Pumpkin Butter
Peach Butter
Acidolphilus Capsules

10779. ScottLoar - 8/20/2001 5:29:39 PM

I never knew Toulouse-Lautrec painted Oscar Wilde!

10780. ScottLoar - 8/20/2001 5:30:18 PM

If I listed the contents of our refrigerator you'd all think I'm lyin'.

10781. DanDillon - 8/20/2001 5:31:12 PM

Humor us.

10782. Jenerator - 8/20/2001 5:44:39 PM

Toulouse-Lautrec is one of my absolute favorite artists!

10783. ScottLoar - 8/20/2001 5:46:56 PM

I tried a list but the very number of items daunts me to helplessness. Again, we've got some items none but a Chinese housewife would believe and some few others that even I can't identify. The number of items staggers me, for the biggest thing in the fridge is a half-gallon of 2% milk and two pots of Chinese soup (one made from free-range chicken and preserved pineapple from Taiwan); the smallest is probably three different varieties of Wisconsin cheese, left-over breakfast sausage, and some cilantro.

I mean it, better that the public pore over my wife's underwear drawer than I confess to the full contents of our refrigerator.

10784. ScottLoar - 8/20/2001 5:48:38 PM

Maybe I should reconsider that.

10785. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 5:49:51 PM

I forgot chicken broth and tofu....

10786. Ms. No - 8/20/2001 6:18:14 PM

Brita water filter
Non-fat milk
half & half
green onions
cilantro
romaine lettuce
ginger root
2 jars of kosher dills
small wedge of hard Dublin cheese
3 Hornsby's Ciders
3 pkg mixed greens, cabbage & carrots
Pesto Chicken sausage
Roated garlic turkey sausage
1/2 stick of butter
mini-carafe of olive oil w/garlic & herbs
3/4 liter of Coke
yellow mustard
brown mustard
balsamic vinegar
raspberry vinegar
soy sauce
caesar dressing
fuzzy forgotten wedge of cheddar in crisper
leftovers from roommate's family's take-out

oh yeah, and 1 pkg AAA batteries

10787. Ms. No - 8/20/2001 6:23:43 PM

Anybody got a recipe for Cuban garlic sauce?

I'm trying to figure out what the local Cuban place puts in theirs because the stuff is amazing but I can't quite figure it out.

I know there's garlic, lemon, white onion and black pepper in it.

I suspect that they start with chicken broth and also add a little vinegar but I really honestly don't know.

It's also got a strange consistency ----it's thicker than plain broth but it's still pretty clear and there aren't any very visible particles in it. It's about the consistency of olive oil but it's not particularly oily.

good god what is this stuff??????

10788. Absensia - 8/20/2001 6:35:09 PM

Ms.No,
I have a recipe with sour, Seveille Oranges...will send it to your mote address.

10789. Ms. No - 8/20/2001 6:51:28 PM

Oooh! Thanks!

send here:

bridgeburner99@yahoo.com

10790. Absensia - 8/20/2001 7:11:31 PM

oops, too late..sent it to mote moderator address indicating it was for you...do you need me to resend it?

10791. Absensia - 8/20/2001 7:12:29 PM

Did anyway....

10792. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 11:13:55 AM

We need to have one of the refridgerator specialists come and analyze us. Supposedly they can tell by what we have, what type of eaters we are and what kind of personalities we have.

10793. Ms. No - 8/21/2001 11:30:00 AM

Thanks, 'sensia!

Generally only Wabbit has access to the moderator@themote addy.

Jen,

Who are they?

10794. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 11:33:02 AM

Christin,

I'm not sure actually. I saw a show featuring food analysts one time. I guess I'll have to keep it the ever elusive "they".;-)

10795. Ms. No - 8/21/2001 11:35:29 AM

Dang. I thought maybe we had a couple here in the Mote.

Instead of reading tea leaves and telling the future they could read the mold on the leftovers!

10796. Absensia - 8/21/2001 11:35:36 AM

Ms No,

If those aren't close and can't be tweaked, let me know, there are a couple of sites I can check out.
Now I'm hungry for Cuban food...ahhhhh.

10797. Ms. No - 8/21/2001 11:45:18 AM

Both of those recipes look excellent! I'll have to try them this weekend.

Yum!

10798. Absensia - 8/21/2001 11:48:36 AM

Great, let me know how they turn out!!!

10799. Laura C - 8/21/2001 12:01:54 PM

Let's see:

garlicky roasted chicken thighs,
green bean, goat cheese and tomato salad,
tomato-onion-and-pepper casserole,
fresh mayonnaise,
grape tomatoes,
carrots,
kale for the bunnies,
half a salad-in-a-bag,
cheddar, mozzarella, feta, Appalachian Jack, Asiago, and Irish cheeses,
small bottle calf rennet,
2% milk,
butter,
chocolate pudding,
brown eggs,
tofu bought in a fit of optimism 6 months ago,
mustard, soy sauce,
tomato juice, beer, Diet Coke.

10800. CalGal - 8/21/2001 12:42:08 PM

Wow, I quit buying a lot of food a while back--Spawn is at his dad's half time and I find that too much of it goes bad.

Diet Caffeine Free Coke (always)
Tillamook Cheese
Tortillas
Few bottles of beer
Dijon mustard, mayonnaise
Random bottled sauces
lettuce
carrots
apples
butter
eggs

I don't put tomatoes in the refrigerator.

10801. DanDillon - 8/21/2001 12:57:04 PM

I'd like to eat chez Laura C.

10802. Adrianne - 8/21/2001 1:02:20 PM

Milk
OJ
Lemonade
Margarita mix
Wine
american cheese, feta cheese, mozz, swiss
hotdogs
salmon (for tonight's grill)
tomatoes marinating in olive oil and basil
juice boxes
ketsup
regular mustard
grainy mustard
jack daniels mustard
bbq sauce
soy sauce
wine vinegar
3 tubes of instant breadsticks
a cut-up honeydew
sliced turkey
bologna
shark
chocolate sauce
butterscotch sauce
walnut sauce
maple syrup
marinated cabbage
3 kinds of hot sauce
4 kinds of pickled peppers
dill pickles
sour cream
left-over jasmine rice
left-over pate
lettuce
radishes
cucumber
summer squash
cut-up onion
left-over turkey breast & gravy
a teeny jar of caviar for IF
3 kinds of salad dressing
2 kinds of baby puree

I think that's it. No beer, oddly.

Personally, I like the juxtaposition of bologna and cavier. From that, it's easy to tell that I have a 13 year old boy and a spoiled rotten husband, I think.

And a toddler (juice boxes).

10803. Francis Urquhart - 8/21/2001 1:08:28 PM

Velveeta
Cream soda
Human head
Baking soda
Salt water taffy

10804. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 1:09:49 PM

Fu:

So what I expected from you...but, no fava beans?

10805. thoughtful - 8/21/2001 1:36:51 PM

Laura, What's calf rennet?

10806. Wombat - 8/21/2001 1:43:24 PM

Hmm:

Orange juice
1% Milk
Brita pitcher
Seltzer water
Reisling wine
Salmon steaks (defrosting)
Maple syrup
Yogurt
Broccoli
Asparagus
Cabbage
Carrots
Red/Green peppers
Blueberries
Grapes
Blackberries
Peanut butter
Grape jam
Capers
Pickled peppers
Chutney
Capers
Mustard
Catsup
Soy sauce
Teriyaki sauce
7 grain bread
Chocolate pudding cups
Danimals
String cheese, Bonbel mini edams, Smoked Gouda, 5 yr aged sharp cheddar, Parmesan (ungrated), Pecorino (grated)
Eggs
Butter
Tomato paste (tube)
Color film
Batteries
Neuchatel cheese (for dog's pills, mostly)
Sliced ham

10807. bubbaette - 8/21/2001 1:45:27 PM

I think that calf rennet is the lining of a calf's stomach and is used to make cheese.

10808. Adrianne - 8/21/2001 1:47:34 PM

Wombat - we both be eatin' salmon tonight!

And I forgot - a 1/2 empty 40 oz of flat malt liquor.

10809. janjon - 8/21/2001 1:51:26 PM

what are instant breadsticks?

10810. janjon - 8/21/2001 1:52:10 PM

What are Danimals?

10811. marjoribanks - 8/21/2001 1:52:43 PM

Cool game.

I'd play, but my fridge is always just too full to list all the items, the condiments alone would take up more space than some of the lists here.

10812. Absensia - 8/21/2001 1:53:26 PM

smoked salmon
cream cheese
cheeses..parm,cheddar, feta, fontina
mustards...about 8..from ball park to grained, spicy to burning.
yogart...raspberry and lime
bacon
lamb chops
honeydew melon
corn
bbq sauce
several hot sauces
nonfat milk
butter
horseradish
ginger
romane
aspargras
dill pickles
chutney
celery
carrots
fresh linguine
white wine
catsup
Russian rye bread
diet coke
tortillas

10813. PsychProf - 8/21/2001 1:54:52 PM

Where you don't knead slow dough.

10814. Laura C - 8/21/2001 1:55:04 PM

Bubbaette is exactly right. Left over from my cheesemaking fit last summer, before I realized that I was spending umpteen dollars and hours for unimpressive results. Now I go to Trader Joe's.

Wombat, your dog must have very good taste.

10815. Adrianne - 8/21/2001 1:55:20 PM

marj

Yeah, I gave up on trying to remember the condiments and sauces.

jajon
They're these little tubes of bread dough. You stick em in the oven and you get some nasty old breadsticks. The kids love them.

10816. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 1:59:51 PM

I'm surprised at people keeping soy sauce and maple syrup in the fridge...and vinegars, too. Maybe there's something I don't know but we've never, in 20 years, kept those things in the fridge.

10817. janjon - 8/21/2001 2:01:38 PM

maple syrup usually has a "warning" on the bottle advising to keep it refrigerated after opening. I agree with you about soy sauce and vinegars.

10818. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 2:03:24 PM

Well, if Keon and I croak, check to see if we had pancakes the night before...we never chill the Log Cabin.

10819. janjon - 8/21/2001 2:12:40 PM

judith - I am shocked. Log Cabin isn't maple syrup. Obviously the preservatives it has in abundance make it shelf-worthy.

10820. PsychProf - 8/21/2001 2:14:58 PM

My family farm had a side business in maple syrup...great March fun.

10821. Absensia - 8/21/2001 2:17:30 PM

Real maple syrup is sooo wonderful.

I don't refridgerate soy or vinegar either.
And forgot about mayo and some chipotles in adobo that I mushed up with garlic and parsely and toss in eggs and sauces.

10822. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 2:19:24 PM

I was using that as a generic name because I'm too lazy to go to the pantry and see what the name is on the jug brought to us from Maine...

10823. janjon - 8/21/2001 2:24:46 PM

yeah, sure, Judith.

10824. CalGal - 8/21/2001 2:27:05 PM

I don't like real maple syrup. I don't much enjoy log cabin, either, but if I must put syrup on it I prefer the flavored syrup to the real thing.

I have maple syrup in my pantry for cooking, though.

10825. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 2:27:43 PM

Your cynicism has driven me to the kitchen, janjon... Sweetmeadow Farms Maple Syrup but it's from New Hampshire, not Maine. Those dogs! They said they got it in Maine!

10826. janjon - 8/21/2001 2:29:57 PM

put it in the fridge, kid.

10827. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 2:31:32 PM

Too late...it's almost empty. Guess I should throw it out; be a shame if the last serving killed us after all this time...

10828. Shannon - 8/21/2001 2:32:03 PM

You stick em in the oven and you get some nasty old breadsticks. The kids love them.

Maybe that can be the basis of their next ad campaign.

My soy sauce says to refrigerate. I don't know why. But I do it for some reason--I'm not usually so compliant.

OK, here's what I can think of:
Half a bag of "spring mix" bagged salad
Turnips
Broccoli
Baby carrots
Apples--some Granny Smith, some Red Delicious
Oranges
1/2 a canteloupe
Beer (Abita Amber)
A bunch of Breyer's blueberry yogurt
Cool whip
Chocolate pudding
Tofu dogs
Tofu bologna
Cheddar cheese
Sliced American cheese
Shredded Parmesan
Organic butter
Margarine
Water--Brita pitcher
Store version of V-8 Splash
OJ
Sprite and Coke--not normal for us
Flour tortillas
Salsa
4-5 kinds of salad dressing
Relish
Sliced dill pickles
Spicy brown mustard
Sweet & sour sauce
Tahini
Soy sauce
Terriaki sauce
Rice milk
Jelly
Juice boxes (OJ is the current selection)
Raisins
Daiquiri mix (another oddity)
Lemon juice
Assorted leftovers
Baking soda

Some other stuff I'm forgetting, no doubt.

10829. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 2:32:21 PM

Anyhow, I'm off to the store and I will buy some fancy syrup and promise to chill it after opening.

10830. Shannon - 8/21/2001 2:34:00 PM

We use cane syrup, which I don't put in the fridge.

Oh, I have a few eggs too, and some jalapeno peppers.

10831. CalGal - 8/21/2001 2:34:37 PM

I don't buy anything that doesn't keep; I realized it was cheaper for me to eat out or shop at the last minute than it was to spend a lot of money on big shopping trips and having a lot of the food go bad.

10832. janjon - 8/21/2001 2:34:55 PM

gotta believe you peeked at the label. Does it say to Refrigerate after Opening?

10833. janjon - 8/21/2001 2:36:58 PM

the eyes-are-bigger-than-the-stomach-when-it-comes-to-foodstuffs-rotting is an especially apt saying when it comes to sauntering around farmers' markets or cute/bucolic farm stands. One is always buying a few too many of this and that.

10834. Wombat - 8/21/2001 2:50:44 PM

Danimals are yogurts for kids: cartoon characters, single serving, combination flavored, excessively sweet.

I am turning against keeping leftovers in the fridge. If there is a lot left over, put it the freezer, if not, toss it. Otherwise they get forgotten and turn into what Mrs. Wombat calls "science experiments."

Honey does not have to be refrigerated. I haven't bought "table" or "pancake" syrup in decades. I love maple syrup on oatmeal, on any kind of pancake, and on the challah french toast I make every saturday. Then sopping up what's leftover with really sharp cheddar cheese....

10835. CalGal - 8/21/2001 3:06:07 PM

Janjon,

Yep. I love produce. Once I found that too much of it was going bad, I started sticking to apples and carrots--and then I always have tomatoes in the house, although usually the last one or two will go bad by the time I've bought more. I did go bonkers over mango nectarines over the summer, but we wolfed those down so quickly they didn't go bad.

The other thing I buy during the summer is watermelon; one of Spawn's jobs is to open it and spoon it out into tupperware containers, so it will keep for several days.

10836. janjon - 8/21/2001 3:08:14 PM

watermelon will stay good what seems like an amazingly long time - even after cut. You have to cover the open flesh parts with something like saran wrap though.

10837. thoughtful - 8/21/2001 3:17:50 PM

calf guts? ewww.

10838. DanDillon - 8/21/2001 3:33:46 PM

This has turned out to be an exceedingly fascinating exercise. Everyone who has been brave enough to list the contents of their fridge is baring their soul, little perhaps do they know. Items seem to line up perfectly with each Motie --no surprise. And as a collective whole, we're so damn smart, aren't we?...

I went out to the store a few minutes ago and picked up two gallons of milk, a couple of cans of chicken broth, and a lottery ticket. I'm gonna win that $192,000,000 dammit!

10839. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 3:43:36 PM

I've never understood it when people put peanut butter in the fridge. It turns into a brick when chilled.

Also, we have four different kinds of butter, but we keep one covered butter dish out, so it spreads easily.

10840. Absensia - 8/21/2001 3:47:03 PM

Jen,
If the PB is fresh and unpasturized, I'll put it in the fridge in hot weather; if it's paturized I leave it out. Same thing with raw or wild honey that has not been pasturized.

10841. CalGal - 8/21/2001 3:48:00 PM

Natural peanut butter doesn't turn bricklike, and that's the only kind I buy. Even though the very few times I really crave peanut butter I want Skippy.

10842. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 3:55:52 PM

Donny's grandmother wanted EVERYTHING in the fridge including the pb (Jiffy), potatoes, and all unopened cans of anything. Now that she's no longer here, it has been cleaned up a bit.

10843. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 4:10:50 PM

I'm back from the store and have all sorts of goodies...no more tofu at the store so I got Keoni fresh udon noodles for his breakfast soup.

And yes, I did read the label...and yes, it did say that. No good looking syrup at the store, either. I'm going to hold out til the Central Mkt. opens and get some spectacular maple syrup.

Tonight, we are having Big Salad...with turkey, feta cheese, tomatoes, cucumber, garbanzo beans, mushrooms, and celery. Romaine and curly lettuce, too.

10844. HollyW - 8/21/2001 4:20:39 PM

Tonight we are having a piece of chicken sausage I cooked up a couple days ago, mashed potato, and the green beans before they cry their last (they're starting to get spotty). This is for me and Sprout, my husband works evenings.

I love fresh produce. Picking it out is my reward for going shopping. It does turn too quickly, though. Also, things like peaches, nectarines, and apples make my mouth itch and swell, and since my husband isn't too clear on fruits and vegetables being something that people really can eat, and Sprout being a toddler, I always have food rotting in the crisper drawer. I like the thought of buying a peach to eat...but I can't actually eat it. Ah well.

10845. HollyW - 8/21/2001 4:21:44 PM

Er, needless to say, I'm not an enthusiastic cook. I swear the sausage is still edible, though, I do know that much.

10846. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 4:34:02 PM

i have no idea what's for dinner tonight, and I'm starving.

Judith,

When you lived in Germany did you leave the eggs in the pantry like I did in England?

10847. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 4:38:01 PM

Jen:

Sure did...they had all those cute little egg baskets just for that purpose.

10848. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 4:52:13 PM

Heck our kitchen was so cold we could have left the milk out and it would have been fine.

I hate to say this, but I miss Canterbury like you wouldn't believe.

10849. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 4:56:45 PM

I miss Germany, too...our townhouse had a marble staircase leading down to the basement and up to the second floor and I swore we could just toss the packaged meant either direction and it would've stayed fresh.

10850. janjon - 8/21/2001 4:58:53 PM

I was going to say - there is a reason why you can leave eggs in the pantry in much of Europe.

Our house in London is numbing from about December 1 - April 1. No matter how much we have now invested in heating upgrades, it just never stays warm.

10851. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 5:00:32 PM

Well, the main reason you can do that is the eggs have never been refrigerated in Europe.

10852. janjon - 8/21/2001 5:02:34 PM

judith - with all due respect, I consider your 10851 to be in the which came first, the chicken or egg category.

10853. Jenerator - 8/21/2001 5:05:31 PM

JanJon,

I will have to post some pictures for you, but our house in Canterbury was on the grounds of St. Augustine's abbey and the cathedral was right outside of our backyard. We had a lovely garden and a very spacious home. I do not miss my roommates (except for one) but I miss my scholarship counselor and his family and the friends I made, and the lovely countryside fiercely. Kent was the prettiest part of England.

Whereabouts in London do you live? My cousins live in Kensington Park. Is that near you?

10854. JudithAtHome - 8/21/2001 5:09:41 PM

janjon:

I probably worded that wrong but what I meant was, when you purchase them at the store, they haven't been chilled, thus you don't have to refrigerate then at your house.

10855. janjon - 8/21/2001 5:13:04 PM

I live in NYC now, jenerator. We lived in London for two periods of slightly more than a year each starting about 10 years ago, right after our son was born.

We bought a house (well, actually a very long, like 86 years) leasehold) in Chelsea. So, not too far from Kensington Park.

We've kept it and although it has been leased to others from time to time, it is now empty except when one or the other or both of us is/are there.

10856. glendajean - 8/21/2001 6:29:36 PM

When produce and fruit (uncooked) goes bad, take it outside, dig a hole next to a perennial, a rosebush, or other plants, bury it, and cover it in dirt. Your soil will immediately improve, the earthworms will flock to eat on the munchies, and your garbage bag won't sag as much as you take it out to the curb.

I usually use the shovel to chop it up a bit before I cover the hole with dirt.

10857. ScottLoar - 8/21/2001 7:23:06 PM

Take all wet, vegetable garbage (most especially peelings, fruit and coffee grounds) and never, never throw it into the garbage can but bury it about 8 inches below the earth surface. In time you will have a larder of good, rich earth. Dog dirt helps the process along as well; when you're obliged to scoop it up after the mystery persons have walked their dogs on your property bury that dog dirt.

10858. HollyW - 8/21/2001 9:34:01 PM

We had a compost pile where we used to live. There is pretty much no earth to mess with where we are now, sadly. It's 95% asphalt on our property.

10859. HollyW - 8/21/2001 9:59:14 PM

My fridge:

Organic Cow whole milk
Brita pitcher of water
V8
grapes--some past their prime
strawberries
blueberries
a cantaloupe
green beans--no longer edible
summer squash--ditto
broccoli
tomatoes
a peach
Trader Joe's apple-raspberry sauce
Thai peanut sauce
various hot sauces that I don't mess with
juice boxes
apple butter
Brummel and Brown spread
butter
eggs
cheddar cheese
Smartdogs
leftover chicken
bread
pickles
ketchup
mustard--the brown kind
horseradish
a jar of roasted peppers
a bag of carrots
bottled lemon juice
brown sugar
maple syrup--one bottle full, one empty but it's decorative so we haven't gotten around to dealing with it yet
3 kinds of salad dressing

...hmm, obviously we put everything in the fridge.

10860. theDiva - 8/22/2001 9:17:58 AM

what's in my refrigerator? Hmmmmm.....

V-8 (calcium enriched)
Orange juice (calcium enriched)
Skim milk
12 containers of pina colada yogurt
1/2 container of whole milk ricotta
1 1/2 dozen eggs
neufchatel cheese
dry popcorn kernels
an open box of baking soda
nectarines
red seedless grapes
Arnold Oatnut bread
celery
baby carrots
lemons
limes
provolone, sliced
Virginia ham, sliced
chicken breast, sliced
yellow onions
red onions
several bulbs of garlic
marinated artichokes
roasted red peppers
green olives
black olives
horseradish mustard
half a bottle of red bordeaux
half a bottle of sparkling white wine (euphemistically referred to as champagne)
ranch dressing
worcestershire sauce
dark soy sauce
teriyaki sauce
sichuan hot sauce
seedless red raspberry preserves
Goya coffee (caffeinated and decaffeinated)

I forget what else.

10861. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 9:25:03 AM

Get thet red wine outta there!

10862. theDiva - 8/22/2001 9:26:43 AM

well, it's open already, the weather here has been beastly, and I only use it for cooking.

Usually a red doesn't last more than a day or two in our house anyway, but since I'm BFing I don't indulge as I used to.

10863. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 9:43:44 AM

I wonder how much some grocery chain and food manufacturers would pay for info like this...what America stores in its refrigerators.

10864. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 9:45:20 AM

How do you get an elephant in a refrigerator?

You open up the door, put the elephant in and shut the door.

How do you get a giraffe in the refrigerator. You don't just open up the door and put him in....

....you've got to take the elephant out first! Sheesh. Everyone knows there's no room for an elephant AND a giraffe in a refrigerator!

10865. theDiva - 8/22/2001 9:49:11 AM

this is a cool exercise. Only Urk's list made me laugh, though.

Now, what do youse have in your pantries? Hmmmmmmm?????/

10866. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 10:03:11 AM

Me?

Simple.

I have the head of a small child who talked back to me, the arm of a stranger who rudely bumped into me, the finger of a teenage boy who made the mistake of flipping it at me, and the dog next door who used to leave me presents all over the lawn.

OOPS! Correct that. We had the dog for dinner last night.

10867. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 10:04:18 AM

Actually, it's a combo of reading too many grizzly murder stories and the fact that I'm really pissed at one of our suppliers who violated our contract and I just found out....Someone is going to get eaten alive today.

10868. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:06:00 AM

hahahahaha

Economists. Ever frugal.

I have so much in my pantries, I don't think I could list it all.

10869. Absensia - 8/22/2001 10:06:01 AM

Thoughtful,

"We had the dog for dinner last night."

Pan fried poodle?

10870. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:07:15 AM

gosh, what did we have for dinner last night?

Oh yes. Greg bought take-out from Giant...rotisserie chicken, three-potato salad, and romaine salad. Yummy.

10871. Adrianne - 8/22/2001 10:11:10 AM

Can't list my pantry. Wouldn't be prudent.

10872. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:11:47 AM

hhhhmmmmm.......

10873. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 10:15:16 AM

The salad I made last night was fantastic!

10874. Absensia - 8/22/2001 10:18:04 AM

It sounded like it would be, Judith. If it warms up here, I think I'll make something similar.

Meanwhile, it's dank and rainy. I'm thinking french onion soup....ahhhh. Or, tomato and basil soup. It's definitely a soup day.

10875. Laura C - 8/22/2001 10:18:37 AM

I wonder how much some grocery chain and food manufacturers would pay for info like this...what America stores in its refrigerators.

They've got us categorized already:

Enter your zip code and find your lifestyle segment!

10876. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 10:23:46 AM

That was too depressing...we certainly don't live down to the standards of our area code!

10877. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 10:25:24 AM

Actually, what would be more telling than the pantry would be the freezer. What have we taken the time to save and freeze?

10878. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 10:26:06 AM

Wiener Spitzel
Beagle with cream cheese
Bichon Freeze
Boxer Crackers
Cockapoo poo platter
Cur-ried rice
Egg Schnoodles
Sealyham and eggs
Whippet Potatoes

10879. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:27:54 AM

expressed breastmilk
filet mignon
skinless boneless chicken breasts
broccoli
ice cream
london broil
ground beef, veal, and pork for meat loaf
six different kinds of veggie burgers
spinach
french-cut green beans
pork loin
center cut boneless pork chops
ice pops
cold packs
corn

10880. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 10:29:08 AM

Ah ha! I always suspected that of you!

10881. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:31:04 AM

Thoughtful

what's up with all that dogmeat, girl?

10882. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:31:27 AM

man, that lifestyle thing is scarily accurate.

10883. Adrianne - 8/22/2001 10:31:41 AM

Freezer's easy, mine's small.

3 lbs catfish
6 lbs salmon steaks
7 lbs (approx) top sirloin
2 lbs ocean perch
5 lbs (approx) bonesless, skinless chk breasts
3 lbs bone-in chicken breasts
broccoli
greenbeans
turnip greens
sweet baby peas
mustard greens
frozen french fried potatoes
ice cream
ice

Some Very Weird Convenience Food that I don't know the name of but bought by request of SS.

chicken nuggets
meatballs
burritos
fruit yogurt

hmmmm, I think that's it. Like I said, small freezer.

10884. Shannon - 8/22/2001 10:32:47 AM

I checked my fridge last night. I didn't forget much. 4 ears of corn, my grandma's fig preserves.

Freezer:
Corn on the cob
Corn kernels (can you tell my kid likes corn?)
Peas
Popsicles
Blue Bell Dutch Chocolate ice cream
Morningstar farms sausage patties & links
Biscuits
Yogurt snacks (like go-gurt, but organic)
Bread
More soy bologna
Waffles--store brand blueberry and Pokemon
Homeade lentil soup
Blueberries
Strawberries
Chopped onion
Boca smoked sausage

10885. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:32:53 AM

oh yeah, and fish! Ad reminded me.

10886. Shannon - 8/22/2001 10:33:18 AM

Oh, we have either fries or tater tots--not sure which.

10887. Absensia - 8/22/2001 10:33:59 AM

Love it,Thoughtful...but what's that one wrapped package? Looks like a leg, and I don't mean lamb.

10888. Shannon - 8/22/2001 10:34:10 AM

We also have fake chicken nuggets.
And ice.

10889. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:34:19 AM

Kid food! Guess I'll be heading into tater tot territory (say THAT three times fast) soon enough.

10890. Shannon - 8/22/2001 10:35:50 AM

I think we have about half a bag of ravioli too.

And speaking of kid food, there's a whole lot of mac-n-cheese in my pantry. We buy it in 12-packs at Sam's.

10891. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:38:50 AM

Ramen noodles. Gracie loves 'em.

10892. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 10:41:08 AM

We still have leftovers from Donny's grandmother in our freezer (the kiddie stuff is all hers!).

tater tots
three children's frozen meals
popsicles
toaster strudels
----------------------------
brisket
country style pork ribs (for tonight)
chicken breasts
chicken drumettes
sugar snap peas
vegetable mixes
three different types of coffee
strawberries
rasberries
mixed fruit
four different kinds of ice cream

10893. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:42:04 AM

oh God, ice cream. Ben and Jerry's is on sale for half price at Giant this week and of course my husband went crazy.

10894. Shannon - 8/22/2001 10:43:15 AM

four different kinds of ice cream

That's impressive. We ususally have 2, sometimes 3. Until 2 days ago we had Caramel Sundae Crunch in addition to the chocolate.

Popcorn, that's what else we have. And a couple of spices of some sort.

10895. Absensia - 8/22/2001 10:43:40 AM

Freezer:
Raspberries
lots of 1/3rd loaves of bread I didn't want to go to waste
steak
flank steak
hamburger
chicken breasts
pork loin steaks
chorizo sausage
habanero sausage
hot italian sausage
meatballs
shrimp
ice cream
crabcakes
homemade chili
rump roast

10896. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 10:45:27 AM

We have spimoni, mint chocolate chip, jamocha almond fudge (my favorite!) and homemade vanilla.

10897. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 10:45:33 AM

Freezer:

Cream Puffs
Pork tenderloin
Turkey Breast
Cheese log
Bag meals...don't ask
Various frozen veggies
Broccoli
Corn&Peppers
Chinese StirFry Vegs
Spinach
Brussels Sprouts
Steak
Grilled chicken strips
Mango chunks
Red Raspberries
Ice pack
Bread
Box of excellent Greek canapes

10898. Adrianne - 8/22/2001 10:45:43 AM

I have the only toddler in the world who won't eat mac-n-cheese.

I didn't forget too much on the fridge front yesterday, but I have a ton of eggs - I bake a lot - and butter, too.

10900. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 10:49:35 AM

Judith,

Do you use the Belgian cream puffs that freeze? I love them and so I don't buy them. I am not able to controllably snack on sweet stuff, so I don't buy it.

I'm terrible!!

I can't have candy in candy dishes or I'll eat it all. The last time I bought some of those Ferrer Rocher thingys at Christmas time, I ate every single one of them in one sitting. Then I hated myself for a while.

I envy those people who can have cute little candies in their homes.

10901. Absensia - 8/22/2001 10:52:11 AM

Wow Jen, I don't buy sweet things, and for the very same reason. Thought I was the only one.

10902. marshame - 8/22/2001 10:53:52 AM

Well, buster and I only have a deep freezer so we keep the important stuff in it like beer. We keep it in vats with names. That and the party favors we can re-use.

10903. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 10:53:57 AM

I can't have even ugly little candies in my house! I'm so thankful we'll be gone on Halloween this year.

Those Cream Puffs are the little bite sized ones and they are for Keoni...I'm not that crazy about them.

10904. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:54:04 AM

forgot the butter, dammit. I always do.

I'm not as tempted by sweets as I am by crunchy, salty things. I made the unfortunate mistake of buying one of those bags of 'gourmet' chips - Yukon Gold potatoes with salt and pepper on them. Oh my.

10905. theDiva - 8/22/2001 10:54:23 AM

MARSHA!!!!!!!!

10906. Absensia - 8/22/2001 10:56:40 AM

I get the spice and salt urges too, sigh.

Marsha...you freeze your beer?

10907. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 10:57:43 AM

Absensia,

I can't even lie to myself anymore! I'll buy chocolate chips to make cookies for "other people", and I eat them all.

10908. marshame - 8/22/2001 11:00:30 AM

Don't everyone freeze beer? Buster and I make beer popsicles for the road here in Texas. Going state to state on a motorcycle gets hot!

10909. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 11:01:13 AM

Jen:

Did you ever get the Raspberry Chocolate Chips? They made them one winter and I bought almost a case of them because I made brownies with raspberry chocolate chips for everyone for Christmas. They never made them again...they were so sinful, it was a crime they let us have SOME and then, NONE.

10910. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:02:53 AM

Works for me, Marsha, but nope..never heard about it...I'll just go put a can in the freezer right now..ummhmm.

Jen, sigh...I do the same...love that dark chocolate. But if M&Ms are around then I'll eat them unless I put super glue on my dentures!

10911. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:04:06 AM

Oooooohhhh, is there anything better than chocolate and raspberry?

10912. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 11:06:22 AM

Judith,

Did you know that Godiva makes ice cream? Try the rasberry truffle, it's heavenly!

Unfortunately I missed the chips you speak of. I guarantee you, I would have eaten them all.

Absensia,

I don't even like M & Ms, but I'll eat them all if they're around!;-)

What's wrong with me?

10913. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 11:06:56 AM

I like orange with chocolate too.

10914. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:10:03 AM

Jen,
Orange is good too...almost everything is good with chocolate. I love Godiva ice cream.

I think it's hormonal...don't see any men folk in here discussing their...errr..urges, for food, I mean.

10915. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:11:25 AM

I have tastes that don't match other peoples so when I find a product I love, it usually disappears quickly and I'm sunk:

key lime yogurt
reverse chocolate chip ice cream: chocolate ice cream with white chocolate chips
cheese-filled pastry puffs
weight watchers mocha pie

10916. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:11:46 AM

and low-fat chocolate chip cookies by entennmanns

10917. marshame - 8/22/2001 11:14:07 AM

Buster don't like no sweet stuff besides me. Says it's all sissy food.

10918. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:16:37 AM

I like ice-cream. To revert slightly the fridge listings, we always have several tubs sitting around.

Currently:

Mango (from an Indian store)
Green Tea (Japanese, brand name Maeda-An)
Giant tub of "light" vanilla (for milkshakes and smoothies)
2 tubs of Ben and Jerry's
3 Haagen-Dazs 'dulce de leche' ice-cream bars

10919. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:17:10 AM

Freezing beer? don't they burst?

10920. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 11:17:18 AM

I loved key lime yogurt, too!

I can take or leave Godiva stuff...it's over priced considering there's other stuff out there that is just as good or better.

I like HagenDas chocolate sorbet, mango sorbet, and raspeberry sorbet. I've served a small scoop of the chocolate, a small scoop of the raspberry, fresh raspberries, and a Pims choco/raspberry wafer as dessert before to great acclaim.

10921. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 11:17:54 AM

You can do the same substituting orange sorbet and wafer...

10922. marshame - 8/22/2001 11:18:50 AM

thoughtful,

That's why we pour it all into the old milk containers, so the beer will keep longer. Duh!

10923. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:19:55 AM

I love sorbet and cookies for dessert, especially after a heavy meal...just hits the spot.

I have a recipe for making sorbet at home without an ice cream maker and have yet to try it...it involves freezing canned fruit and then doing something with it quickly before serving...I'll have to try it some time.

10924. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:20:20 AM

Sounds wonderful, Judith.

I love mango ice cream. It's even better than the sorbet.

Thoughtful,
I think beer would burst, but that's not what Marsha says.

10925. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:21:07 AM

Anyone ever have the Haagen-Dasz gelato? Not bad at all.

10926. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:21:39 AM

Milk cartons? Don't those make awfully big popsicles?

10927. Shannon - 8/22/2001 11:22:31 AM

Mmmm..... mango.

10928. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 11:22:50 AM

Abs,

Even weirder is that I won't eat all of the ice cream in one sitting. That stuff can stay in my freezer for eternity. I love good ice cream, but I don't gobble it all down like snacks.

10929. marshame - 8/22/2001 11:23:55 AM

This is Texas, Absensia!

10930. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:24:06 AM

Burp!

Just ate my supplier. Got 'em jumping...just how I like 'em.

Much better now.

Anyone else want to sell me something?

(Hee hee hee)

10931. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:24:06 AM

If you like mango ice-cream I highly recommend you visit an Indian store (though haagen-Dazs does a good one). You'll find ice-cream made from Alphonse mangoes, which are so vastly superior to the S.American ones on the market here that they could be a different fruit altogether.

And if you are really lucky, the store will carry mango kulfi, which is a outrageously creamy and rich Indian icecream. And perhaps tins of Alphonse mango puree, which is fantastic on desserts, or in lassis and milkshakes, or your own home-made icecream.

10932. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:25:42 AM

Scary, Jen. Same with me...must be because it's too cold.

Marshame, that makes sense then. Are you sure that's a deep freeze? Might just be a fridge there on the porch of the single wide.

10933. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:27:17 AM

milk and beer...even if it's just the residue.Yuck.

Of course, I don't drink beer anyway....ever.

Do they still make sasparilla? Haven't had it in decades.

10934. marshame - 8/22/2001 11:27:20 AM

Bleech, all this talk about ice cream is making me sick. I'm off to see the bail bondsman.

Later!

10935. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:27:43 AM

My bother and his wife are in Italy right now, and every two days they send me a digital photograph of them eating gelato.

My one request from them when they left was to eat a two-scoop gelato breakfast one day - lemon and dark chocolate. It's fantastic. Italian gelato is fantastic.

However, they have taken my request and perverted it into ugly gelato taunting.

10936. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:28:14 AM

Marshame...here's a beer in a milk jug for you to go.

10937. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:29:20 AM

Banks,
There is an Indian store near me and a couple others not too far away and one Pakistani one. They are where I find mango ice cream. I'll look for the mango kulfi and puree on my next trip.

10938. Jenerator - 8/22/2001 11:31:30 AM

Her and Buster had a huge food fight in Golden Corral last night. This was during my turn at karaoke. Imagine me belting out "I Will Always Love You" while a bunch of bikers are smearing cornbread in everyone's faces.

It was a bust and I'm devastated, still.

10939. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:32:52 AM

Cool, absensia.

You should try kulfi once, even if they don't have mango. It's quite great when made half-way properly. In Bombay, I eat one a day, from the ancient and famous Parsi Dairy. It comes in discs (about 4 in in diameter) and great flavors from the classic 'malai' to all kinds of fruits including mango, custard-apple and chickoo (what the Mexicans call 'chicozapota'). They're all mindblowing.

10940. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:33:20 AM

Oh, so that's why she's going to the bailbonds man....top get Buster out of jail. Jen, my heart goes out to you. That had to be sooo traumatic.

10941. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:35:14 AM

I shall check them out, Banks. I love finding new stuff. And, true Italian gelato is heaven. Worth fighting traffic to get to the few Italian gelato shops we have here.

10942. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 11:36:10 AM

The mango chutney we have is great on pork roast.

10943. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:37:40 AM

Mango chutney goes well on everything. I made some earlier this summer with jalapenos. Put some on grilled chicken the other day. Was yummy.

10944. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:37:59 AM

There is an ice-cream place in Merida, in the mountains of Venezuela, which is famous for making anything and everything into ice-cream. There are hundreds of flavors. I sampled a tunafish scoop (not bad) a spaghetti bolognaise scoop (revolting) and several alcohol flavors (all decent.) I also suggested that the owner make one out of cow tongue (something I happen to like half-frozen, in slivers). For this suggestion, I got a card with the owners picture and his formal thanks.

10945. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:38:07 AM

Banks:
"My bother and his wife..."

I'll be sure to tell him you said that!

10946. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:38:37 AM

thoughtful

will you please finish off my vendor from yesterday? Thanks in advance.

banks

daily gelato taunting? That is ugly. Is this the brother you regularly pounded as a youth?

10947. Absensia - 8/22/2001 11:41:04 AM

Banks,

Venezuela has ended my ice cream urge for the day. Tuna ice cream? Going to be ill, I think.

10948. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 11:41:58 AM

Diva no problem....you bring the soy sauce and I'll eat the vendor for lunch...it's almost lunch time here anyway. Stir-fried vendor on rice. Yum.

10949. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 11:43:01 AM

Okay, we're going to a Cuban restaurant tonight...never had Cuban food before. Any suggestions as to what I should order?

10950. ScottLoar - 8/22/2001 11:43:03 AM

Best ice cream I've ate - Magnolia, owned by the San Miguel Corp. (yeah, the brewers of the Philipppines) - and the mango ice cream is legendary. I repeat, legendary.

10951. ronski - 8/22/2001 11:43:46 AM

The nicest thing about gelato is that it regularly is available in hazelnut flavor. You know, not chopped hazelnuts, but finely ground ones imparting a taste that is sublime.

10952. janjon - 8/22/2001 11:46:56 AM

is this the brother who gave you the case of mangos?

must be a younger brother.

bop him one. for old time's sake.

10953. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:47:31 AM

My brother is much given to taunting, Diva. Perhaps it is due to those early beatings I administered.

--

Loar,

There is a freezer-full of Filipino ice-cream at my supermarket, but I've never tried it. It seems to be composed of unheard-of flavors like pricklypear. I will check for that brand name, and am fairly sure I've seen it.

In Trinidad, I've eaten really fine ice-cream in unusual flavors. Peanut. Passion-fruit. Really good stuff, perhaps the best local manufactured product I came across.

10954. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:48:25 AM

thoughtful

here ya go. Start with the liver, please.

Judith

Anything - ropa vieja, shrimp ajillo, anything. I adore Cuban food. Maybe Mgleason will show up with some recs.

ronski

mmmmmmmm.....hazelnut gelato. There's just something about that flavor....

10955. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:48:57 AM

Banks

aha! See?!?!

10956. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:49:13 AM

Yes, this is the brother who gave me a case of ripe canteloupe and laughed hysterically about it. I only have one brother.

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Ronski reminds us of hazelnut. Yes. Yes. Perhaps the prince of gelato.

10957. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:50:13 AM

Well, I got six - plenty to spare. You want a few?

10958. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:50:51 AM

Well, I got six - plenty to spare. You want a few?

10959. theDiva - 8/22/2001 11:51:54 AM

WTF?

10960. marjoribanks - 8/22/2001 11:56:43 AM

One is enough, thank you.

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Ciao, bambini.

10961. janjon - 8/22/2001 11:57:56 AM

banks - am I wrong in thinking that the jabbing and joking is a two way street with this little brother?

10962. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 12:00:12 PM

EERRRRRPPPP!

Excuse me. I'm full. Two vendors in one day? That's my limit!

By tomorrow I'll be ready for more.

10963. mgleason - 8/22/2001 12:21:04 PM

J,

If you like pork, you can't go wrong ordering lechon asado, which will usually be accompanied by black beans and rice, yuca with garlic sauce, and platanitos maduros fritos (fried ripe plantains). All the stuff that Diva mentioned is great, too, and be sure to order flan for dessert.

10964. Absensia - 8/22/2001 12:21:10 PM

Slow day...think I'll go out and buy a lottery ticket and win.

Thoughtful,
Where should I ship the dogs...got three here just for you.

10965. theDiva - 8/22/2001 12:22:08 PM

flan....oh my. Flan.

10966. JudithAtHome - 8/22/2001 12:30:48 PM

Magic words..."order flan..."

Will do!

10967. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 12:54:02 PM

No thanks, Abs, I still have some in my fridge.
;-)

10968. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 1:01:29 PM

OK, here goes with my fridge:
home made pesto, home made tomato sauce
skim milk & OJ
butter, garlic, various condiments including capers and white worchestershire sauce
lime seltzer, white wine, diet coke & V8
cheese: low-fat sharp, part skim mozz, shredded cheddar, parmesan
lean sandwich meat (turkey or whatever hubby bought...I don't eat it)
yogurt
egg beaters and eggs
coors
decaf coffee and hazelnut regular coffee
from the garden: cukes and yellow and zucc. squash
lettuce, radishes
apples and/or peaches

10969. thoughtful - 8/22/2001 1:56:46 PM

freezer upstairs is full of breads: italian, wheat, bagels, rye, muffins, english muffins, etc., weight watchers chocolate bars, veggie burgers and meatless break