Put that MD 20/20 down TD. Pay attention.
Saddam cuts and runs at the first sign unless you threaten his hold on power.
That's all I said....that's all AlD said...that is all that history supports...Saddam will fight to the last drop of someone else's blood but he'll probably gas RP if he's about to go down.
Small wonder then that every single country in the Big Guy's 'hood has opposed Bush Big Bumble.
Stop and think about:
Iran - gassed in a brutal war
Syria - war with Saddam in Baath power struggle
Kuwait - invaded
Saudi Arabia & Gulf States - threatened by Kuwait invasion
Not to mention Jordan & Egypt
All but two of those countries, against all historical odds, fought with the US and its Euro allies.
Now all have expressed their opposition to Bush.
So again tell me which regime is the real threat -Saddam's or Georgie's?
Its not surprising that the Times of London reported recently that Pentagon generals do not consider Iraq to be any threat to US national interests, not even a leeeetle one.
2. jexster - 8/22/2002 5:27:10 AM
So rally round the Flag TD...and join the Bloodletting to Make Bush Believable because right now, the West Texas snake oil salesman is shaping up to be a world historical buffoon.
Major career move.
3. jexster - 8/22/2002 5:32:18 AM
Lead on Oh Great Bumble Boy
Here comes TommieDaschole your little drummer boy
"On Tuesday, Canada said it would not aid U.S.-led military action against Baghdad unless it had stronger evidence of imminent Iraqi aggression."
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee
4. jexster - 8/22/2002 5:38:50 AM
"Getting rid of Saddam is in the world's interest" - Bar W Phoney Baloney Ranch 8/21
"There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again."
"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."
"I can assure you that, even though I won't be sitting through every single moment of the seminars, nor will the vice president, we will look at the summaries."
"Tommy [Thompson, Health and Human Services secretary,] is a good listener, and he's a pretty good actor, too."
"The trial lawyers are very politically powerful. … But here in Texas we took them on and got some good medical—medical malpractice."
"I firmly believe the death tax is good for people from all walks of life all throughout our society."
—Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002
5. jexster - 8/22/2002 5:39:41 AM
Keep Canada Bushrein
6. jexster - 8/22/2002 11:54:28 AM
Britain Just Says No to WarLord
Evidently Battle to Make Bush Believable Not in "World's Interest"
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain set itself apart from top ally the United States, which has made a "regime change" in Baghdad a priority, saying on Thursday its main aim in Iraq was to get weapons inspectors back in.
In comments that underlined differences between President Bush ( news - web sites) and London, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the main threat was from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites)'s suspected capability with weapons of mass destruction.
"What everybody is concerned about...is particularly the threat that Saddam Hussein poses from both his capability and his record to the security of the region and the security of the world," Straw told BBC radio.
"The best way of trying to isolate and reduce that threat is by the introduction of weapons inspections," he said. "The crucial issue here is weapons inspectors
Jerusalem
AND did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire.
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
William Blake
7. jexster - 8/22/2002 12:12:08 PM
A few weeks ago, Powell was sent packin on a world tour while Georgie met with this lunatic council of war.
I smell smegma...Panty Waist Powell in his Purty Pink panties has been givin knowing winks and nods to world learders...
The Guardian
Britain's top diplomat at the time of the 1991 Gulf war warned yesterday that a military attack on Iraq could have devastating consequences.
Lord Wright of Richmond, former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office, joined the growing number of voices warning the government of the dangers of backing an American assault on Baghdad.
"I do believe that ministers need to examine the case very carefully.
"The implications of an attack against Iraq could be absolutely devastating," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"It is becoming increasingly clear that there is a strong body of opinion here, both in parliament and more widely, that an attack against Iraq would be a costly mistake", he said.
"I don't personally believe that the case has yet been made."
Lord Wright said it would be a mistake for the Americans to take action without the "widest possible measure of support" from the international community.
8. PelleNilsson - 8/22/2002 12:28:03 PM
wonkers
Those who disagree might be well advised to say why instead of fulminating about an "unsavory melange of trotskyites and chic fellow travelers" as if there was no other side to the argument. Israel's policy under Bibe and Buthead has been brutal, but, more than that, ineffective. An academic boycott might well cause some Israeli citizens to have second thoughts.
If you have read my posts here during the past two years or so, you will know that I'm as critical of Likud's politics as anybody. I blame Bibi far more than Sharon who is doing (more or less) what he was elected to do. And, yes, it is brutal but ineffectual. But boycotts are also ineffectual. Not even the mother of all boycotts, the sanction regime against Iraq has achieved what it was intended to do.
In my opinion, the idea that a boycott, in the present political climate in Israel, "might well cause some Israeli citizens to have second thoughts". is nonsense. All it will do is to increase the Israeli's feeling of persecution and, possibly, generate accusations of anti-semitism. I would be interested to see Rustler's opinion on this.
In any case, that is not the purpose of the boycott. Its purpose is is to give leftist academics in the West and their hangers-on that soothing feeling of fighting on the barricades against Israel's neo-colonialist, apartheid-like oppression. It's an ego trip exercise. You can trust me on this because I am a leftist academic.
Finally, the notion that anything positive can come out of blocking contacts between intellectuals strikes me as absurd.
9. jexster - 8/22/2002 12:44:03 PM
Blunder of World-Historical Dimension
The LAT is reporting that Schroeder laughed off recent attempts by Bush's Ambassador to intimidate the Reich.... 
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Und im Unglück nun erst recht.
Nur im Unglück kann die Liebe
Zeigen, ob sie stark und echt.
Und so soll es weiterklingen
Von Geschlechte zu Geschlecht:
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Und im Unglück nun erst recht. :| )
10. concerned - 8/22/2002 12:50:37 PM
jexster -
Get some sleep, man. You're scaring us.
11. jexster - 8/22/2002 1:09:22 PM
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
12. jexster - 8/22/2002 1:20:37 PM
Ahhh recht again...
"Washington Goes to War" From: FOREIGN POLICY IN FOCUS
War has been declared in Washington, although it's not against any foreign country. It's an inside the Beltway war, but its outcome will have global repercussions.
13. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 2:35:49 PM
Jexster:
I've used my Mossad connections on your behalf. Turns out there are some very cute guys in southwestern Baluchistan who really want to spend some quality time with you. When you reach there, contact me from an internet cafe and I'll give you further directions, OK?
14. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 2:37:04 PM
aaargh.
15. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:11:41 PM
"Meretz was involved in anti-Egyptian pressure? You sure?"
Yep. I get their email notices and copies of letters sent to George W..
16. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:15:20 PM
Actually, I should check back to make sure about that--I may be confusing this with their efforts to fight that anti-Arab housing bill and the seizure of Sari Nusseibah's office.
17. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:21:51 PM
"Of signal import, however, Kissinger also says the U.S. should seek a new international inspection system before resorting to military action..."
Jexster, Kissinger does not expect, nor does anyone, that inspections will be permitted by Iraq, and he DID say explicitly that he does not rule out war at all. He just wants Bush to lead up to it properly, plan well, and follow through effectively. Which is what any sane person wants. But Kissinger is not in Eagleburger's camp and said just as explicitly that they disagreed.
18. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:25:10 PM
"Now what have we learned about the Kurds young lady?"
That they are at present quietly allied with high level Jordanian elements, little buster.
19. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:26:49 PM
"HK has more finesse than GWB, more cunning."
Ah. It's reassuring to see that you would support a war against Iraq if it were to be directed by Henry Kissinger.
20. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:45:33 PM
"HK's iron fist had such a thick velvet glove over it that I can see why you missed the point."
I didn't. You're the one who implied Kissinger opposed going to war with Iraq. I'm the one who said he didn't.
"But its clear nonetheless. His "reservations" are as much anathema to Bush's Big Blunder into War as Bush's regime change is to continued inspection."
I can't be bothered ot decipher this garbled sentence. What Kissinger is saying is that insisting on resumption of inspections is the best means by which the war can ultimately be prosecuted with Europe on board, should that become necessary, which it may well be already.
I could go along with that--one thing Bush pere did right was to get his ducks in a row--but on the other hand, Kissinger isn't always much of a prophet. For instance, he announced in a very grave tone, a few months before Ariel Sharon thumbed his nose at George Bush's demand that Israel withdraw from Jenin, that Israel would never defy the United States of America.
I have a hard time believing France and Russia are somehow going to be more willing to go along with an Iraq attack after just one more game of Find the Nukes. They've got their own economic interests in the region; Bush has done nothing to court or even please them lately; it's in other countries' interests to stall on military action and let the US take the consequences. More inspections could well facilitate this--could as easily forge disunity as coalition.
21. Andonly - 8/22/2002 4:58:49 PM
"Well all 1967 did was prove my point..."
No. The particular part of the conflict that Iraq abetted was launched by the then occupier of the West Bank: Jordan. Israel repeatedly requested that Hussein stay out of the fight begun by Syria and Egypt with prodding from the USSR. But Abdullah waded right in and began shelling Israeli cities. Iraq joined the fun, and in the end both it and Jordan got their asses whupped, with Jordan losing quite a chunk of territory in the process. Territory it could have gotten back a couple of weeks later if it had simply consented to make peace--which it categorically refused to do.
22. Andonly - 8/22/2002 5:00:34 PM
"Saddam spills no blood"
Yes he does. You just don't give a fuck.
23. Andonly - 8/22/2002 5:08:46 PM
"..the idea that a boycott, in the present political climate in Israel, "might well cause some Israeli citizens to have second thoughts". is nonsense. All it will do is to increase the Israeli's feeling of persecution and, possibly, generate accusations of anti-semitism."
Right.
"In any case, that is not the purpose of the boycott. Its purpose is is to give leftist academics in the West and their hangers-on that soothing feeling of fighting on the barricades against Israel's neo-colonialist, apartheid-like oppression. It's an ego trip exercise."
Right.
"Finally, the notion that anything positive can come out of blocking contacts between intellectuals strikes me as absurd."
Very right.
24. Andonly - 8/22/2002 5:10:40 PM
"But Abdullah waded right in and began shelling Israeli cities" should have read "But Hussein waded right in and began shelling Israeli cities."
Abdullah, of course, was Hussein's father.
25. concerned - 8/22/2002 5:15:26 PM
Andonly -
Aren't you getting a bit tired of shooting fish in a barrel?
26. concerned - 8/22/2002 5:19:03 PM
Of course, I recognize the service you are performing by neutralizing the pernicious effects that jexster's flapdoodle would otherwise have on the hordes of gape jawed Lefties of small mental capacity who might come across this.
Carry on.
27. Andonly - 8/22/2002 5:50:20 PM
Pike, I must have mentally transposed some other Meretz action with a protest against the sentencing of Saad Eddin Ibrahim. The Meretz USA website has no mention of Ibrahim--which makes sense, I guess, since the last thing the poor guy needs now is Israelis speaking up on his behalf.
28. Andonly - 8/22/2002 5:53:38 PM
"Aren't you getting a bit tired of shooting fish in a barrel?"
Hey. Everybody needs some kind of recreation.
(But to answer your question...yes.)
29. jexster - 8/22/2002 6:32:42 PM
Bush Calls Musharraf a 'Terror Ally'
Was that just MoronSpeak or do we start bombing in the morning?
30. jexster - 8/22/2002 6:55:34 PM
Jexster, Kissinger does not expect, nor does anyone, that inspections will be permitted by Iraq, and he DID say explicitly that he does not rule out war at all.
Look neither you nor I know what Kissinger expects other than what he said. And neither of us knows what Bush expects except what he said
Kissinger - wants us to enforce a UN resolution under UN auspices
Bush- does not want to enforce the UN resolution under UN auspices
Bush doesn't want to go the UN route because, ostensibly, he believes that will frustrate his call for a regime change..gives Saddam years to dick around (Bush has to move before 04) and gives the Security Council control over his big adventure
HK is playing the basically the same game that the Allies are and that Bush wants to avoid
To Bush then HK's statement is every bit as onerous a position as Scowcroft's Hagel Schwartzkopf, the Pentagon, Powell, the world
ANd it is a poison pill in a velvet glove (mixing metaphor)
31. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:02:02 PM
HK has more finesse than GWB, more cunning."
Ah. It's reassuring to see that you would support a war against Iraq if it were to be directed by Henry Kissinger.
Dyslexia on top of smelly smegma?
Did I say anything more than what I said?
Message # 12819
So what? All you've done is restate facts which prove my point - Iraq has consistently been willing to fight to the last drop of everyone else's blood when it comes to Israel and therefore there is no basis upon which Israel much less the US can plausibly claim based on past experience that iraq/Saddam is a threat to either or if he is, that he has not been deterred
32. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:04:53 PM
"But its clear nonetheless. His "reservations" are as much anathema to Bush's Big Blunder into War as Bush's regime change is to continued inspection."
"I can't be bothered ot decipher this garbled sentence. What Kissinger is saying is that insisting on resumption of inspections is the best means by which the war can ultimately be prosecuted with Europe on board, should that become necessary, which it may well be already. "
Aaah more dyslexia...let me help you little girl
But first read my Message # 12829
Should be simple enough even for you
33. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:07:07 PM
and when you are ready to present a justification for war that is something more than the product of your Jewish frenzy for Israel, that has some - any -reliable factual basis, and just the tiniest trace of analytic worth...
I'll deal with you again
34. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:09:29 PM
And try fewer words...plowing through all that puff 'n fluff is tiresome
35. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:12:53 PM
RP...tnx for your efforts in Baluchistan...hold off for now...a cute young yid lawyer, Yalie, JFK MPP, 26, R. Mandelman(!) has been making pretty eyes at me
36. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:16:00 PM
mmmm ...could that be it? Might my animal attraction to those of the hebrew persuasion explain the excessive moisture and unsanitary condition of Ando's privates, and her wet and stinky rejoinders?
Golden schictze(sp?) syndrome in reverse?
37. jexster - 8/22/2002 7:35:51 PM
And whether or not Ando and cogency cross paths, fact is that outside of Israel and its partisans, the only support Bush has for his little adventure are the editorial boards of 3 relatively obscure publications, a clique of extreme right wing hawks in the Pentagon, Dick Cheney and Tom DeLay and a few assorted of his ilk in the Congress.
Fact also is that Bush cannot extricate himself from one of the most fouled up decision making disasters this side of Wilhelm's Blank Check...
So Ando can understand -
1 - World consensus of indifference at best, opposition most likely
2 - Idiot up shit's creek in a jew canoe
38. jexster - 8/22/2002 8:01:30 PM
Here's a Jewess even a goy fegle can love...and such excellent personal hygiene...
Ando take notes
Dear Jeximan-the-Magnificent:
Thank you for contacting me regarding expanding the war
on terrorism to Iraq. I appreciate hearing from you on this
important issue.
I believe we need to employ every tool at our disposal to
protect our nation, including, if necessary, the use of our armed
forces. However, before we resort to using force against Iraq, the
Administration must exhaust all other options . As a result, I
introduced Senate Concurrent Resolution 133, which calls for
Congressional authorization or a declaration of war before force is
used against Iraq.
The resolution expresses the sense of the Congress that:
The United States and the United Nations Security Council
should insist on a complete program of inspection and
monitoring to prevent the development of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq;
39. jexster - 8/22/2002 8:01:49 PM
Iraq should allow the United Nations weapons inspectors
"immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and
all areas, facilities, equipment, records and means of
transportation which they wish to inspect" as required by
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1284 of
December 17, 1999;
The United States should not initiate the use of force against
Iraq without specific statutory authorization or a declaration
of war under Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the
Constitution of the United States (except as provided by the
existing Rules of Engagement used by coalition forces to
exercise the right of self defense, or under the National
Security Act of 1947).
If the Administration presents Congress with evidence to
justify military action against Iraq, I will consider the information
with great care to ensure any action taken is in the best interests of
our nation. I also strongly believe that if the United States is to take
action against Iraq we must have a just cause, the threat must be real
and immediate, and we must have the support and assistance of the
international community.
Again, thank you for your views during this difficult time. If
you should have any additional comments or suggestions, please do
not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. staff at (202) 224-3841.
DF:wk
Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
40. jexster - 8/22/2002 8:02:08 PM
tampons
41. Al D - 8/22/2002 8:04:56 PM
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Tex.), chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, said that "at the grass roots" among African American voters, there is a growing perception that "Jewish people are attempting to pick our leaders. . . . There is some concern about that. It's concern about any candidate being targeted by a special-interest group for voting on any one issue."
The above from the Washington Post in reaction to the defeat of McKinney is more than interesting:it is frightening. The Jews in U.S. have been the blacks best friends, and yet if they fear a Palistinian loving Congressperson, who may be a Jew and American hater as well, they dare not work against her. It is important that one know who the enemy is.
M
42. joezan - 8/22/2002 8:37:28 PM
That is mighty scary, Al.
...Really.
This country is getting very wierd.
If we polarize along that kind of issue, the next election cycle could be very, very interesting. If the Rs are smart, they'll start playing that up BIG time.
43. jexster - 8/22/2002 9:04:11 PM
Ando - forgot - HK gave Bush the other sleeve out of his vest with his "reservation" that Bush Blundered into this mess all by his lonesome..
Maybe a picture will help you with this one....they work for LittleTDaschole 
44. ronski - 8/22/2002 9:33:00 PM
Al,
Rep. Johnson is wrong, and out of touch. As much as I appreciate your posts, relax, and see this.
It's so refreshing to see the Times have it right, at least in part.
As for the "Jewish" influence, the victor's out-of-state contributions were nothing compared to McKinney's, who received humungous gobs of anti-Israeli, Arab-friendly money.
Since Black people are not stupid, they will understand this.
The notion that Jews had anything significant to do with McKinney's defeat is preposterous.
The U.S. Left is just getting panicky about all the people who are leaving the reservation (gays, blacks, etc.).
45. ronski - 8/22/2002 9:39:07 PM
And I must add how sad it is that the JesterBlog moves on, relentlessly, devouring all facts, all perspective, all compassion, all decency, all amusement, in its path.
Not so much as a JexsterBlog (why doesn't he just start a Blog and deliver us from this torture?), as a JexsterBorg.
Of course, you know what happened to the Borg.
46. Al D - 8/22/2002 9:42:18 PM
Ronski
I have always said you are the voice of reason on the Mote. I don't think blacks are stupid, but they listen to Farrakhan more than most people realize. Main stream Blacks are afraid to criticise him. Rep. Johnson is considered a more reasonable Black. McKinney's words don't bother me as she is off the wall. Will the media bring Johnson to task for her comment?
I discuss the matter here because America is very envolved with Israel.
47. joezan - 8/22/2002 10:08:28 PM
I wish I could share your optimism, ronski. But it sure seems as though anti-Semitism is on the rise in the Black body-politic. You're right - McKinney is a nut. But Johnson?
Where's the outrage? I mean, the usual (White) suspects in the House may, very gently, refute his statement, but they won't rebuke the man.
And what about the Black reps - his cohorts in the CBC? Where are they on this?
No - I'm sorry.
I see a long, ugly season ahead.
48. jexster - 8/22/2002 10:16:56 PM
JexsterBlog
Mar-ti-ni's at the Townwhouse Ronski...
BTW do you have the right stardate?
49. jexster - 8/22/2002 10:23:51 PM
JexsterBlog
Mar-ti-ni's at the Townwhouse Ronski...
BTW do you have the right stardate?
50. jexster - 8/22/2002 10:25:12 PM
Captain RonksiJane and the Voyager crew may think they have destroyed us - but they are wrong...
We are The Borg. We are Eternal. We will return. Resistance is Futile...
51. jexster - 8/22/2002 10:37:09 PM
Und im Unglück nun erst recht
52. Andonly - 8/22/2002 11:02:12 PM
"therefore there is no basis upon which Israel much less the US can plausibly claim based on past experience that iraq/Saddam is a threat to either or if he is, that he has not been deterred"
You can pretend to listen to Henry Kissinger all you like, but you're simply spouting stupid Brezinskiisms (in addition to the smegma, which an early circumcision would have spared you).
I feel so unkosher, I want to break into Pig German.
Vy em I zo vorried, Herr Doktor? Der Fuhrer hast done us Jews no zpecial harm. Zehr ist no real reazon zu efraide zein! Zo many nations der Nazis sind up against--zhey vould not permit zis mann zu ect out ze thinks ve fear might heppen. Er ist all talk, ja? End yet, Ich kann nicht geschlafen, nicht geschlafen... Please, vill yu tell me, vaht insidious neurosis tortures my veak mind?
Ach, mein dear, mein dear. Du bist zuffering von die Pervertete Judische Electra Komplex, in vich du imaginst zet dein vater vishes zu getoten you vor egspressing ein zexualische dezire vor deine mutter. Uze deine rational mind! Gewissen sie vhat ist real! Zere ist no basis upon vhich you, much less Juden in general, ken plauzibly believe bazed on passt egsperience zet Hitler ist eine threat zu deine tzurvifal.
53. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 11:37:10 PM
ronski:
And I must add how sad it is that the JesterBlog moves on, relentlessly, devouring all facts, all perspective, all compassion, all decency, all amusement, in its path.
This is a community. Jexster's posting reflects certain problems the man has, but he is a part of the community and we have to put up with him. It's like having a mentally retarded child around, I guess.
Besides, once every 100 posts or so he says something interesting.
OK, 200.
54. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 11:40:41 PM
marj, if you're lurking - can you give me some info about the Bnei Menashe people? Someone told me their DNA did turn out to be Jewish, and that therefore they truly seem to be the lost tribe of Menashe.
Which means there are 2 million more Jews is the world than I'd thought until now.
55. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 11:41:11 PM
in
56. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 11:44:34 PM
Ando:
See? There's no way Meretz can ever do anything remotely pro-Israeli. They are femmie lefties, and thus, by definition, the opposite of a pro-Israeli party.
57. RustlerPike - 8/22/2002 11:47:49 PM
I think the Jewish influence on the African American candidacies is legitimate. And I imagine Majette and others like her will speak up more forcefully, eventually. And it's good that African Americans are electing better leaders than they used to.
58. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 4:03:57 AM
Question: is this an Israeli thing or does everybody have a place under the sink where they keep used plastic and paper bags?
59. joezan - 8/23/2002 6:06:34 AM
Yep - in a coffee can.
60. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 9:07:08 AM
Whew.
61. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 9:12:16 AM
So I've been reading Debka's stories on Abu Nidal's life and death (Debka link in the Parkay bar).
One of the things they say is that Abu Nidal was working for Qaddafi in the 1980s.
Then I read this in FOX: Report: Abu Nidal Behind Lockerbie Bombing, Former Aide Says.
So I says to myself, Russ, I says: maybe Abu Nidal did it for Libya. Duh!
62. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 9:20:40 AM
Debka claims Egypt, and then the CIA, were using Abu Nidal - who was a mercenary type of terrorist - against Al Qaeda at a certain point. Then there's a complicated story about Saddam using Abu Nidal for sussing out how trustworthy Al Qaeda was before he hooked up with it. Then, they say, Saddam began training the Qaedans in the bases at Biyar and Tawil in northern Iraq.
The Bush administration held off acting on the information partly to wait for its verification beyond doubt, but mostly for fear of letting the cat out of the bag on Abu Nidal’s role in the Bin Laden-Baghdad connection and how Saddam Hussein used that role to dig out Washington’s hapless involvement.
But this constraint may have been superseded, providing the Iraqi ruler, who is perfectly aware of the approaching US threat to his regime, with a pressing need shut Abu Nidal’s mouth. He saw the US president under mounting pressure from critics of the coming offensive against Iraq to come up with proof of a direct link between Saddam and terrorists as justification for the offensive. Under this pressure, he feared Bush would jump in one of two ways: He could have sent a covert American force to secret northern Iraqi training bases to snatch al Qaeda trainees with their Iraqi WMD instructors red-handed. Alternatively, American special forces might have abducted Abu Nidal and brought him to America with his damning testimony against Saddam.
Both options boded grave danger to the Iraqi ruler, but neither is any longer available to Washington.
Tipped off to their potential as President Bush’s cassus belli against Baghdad, the al Qaeda and Iraqi birds have flown Biyar and Tawil, while Abu Nidal’s mouth was permanently shut five days ago by four bullets.
Sounds both implausible and convincing at the same time.
63. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 9:36:10 AM
There's also an interesting and not at all implausible story in there about the connection between Oslo, PA corruption, a group of Israeli businessmen and President Bush (who is against all of the above).
The story appears to show that Ariel Sharon is not clean of the Oslo corruption taint. Which I believe. Sharon shares certain business connections and interests with the PA.
64. marjoribanks - 8/23/2002 9:55:01 AM
Spike,
can you give me some info about the Bnei Menashe people? Someone told me their DNA did turn out to be Jewish, and that therefore they truly seem to be the lost tribe of Menashe.
I seriously doubt that the Mizo DNA will reveal evidence of Jewish roots.
I've posted about the Mizo "Jews" at length before on this site and its predecessor. Basically, the Mizos are a coherent tribe that has its own mini state in India's troubled North-East. They were converted to Christianity almost en masse some 75-90 years ago by evangelical missionaries (of the old, Brit, school).
Some time in the 50's, one of the Mizo leaders had a vision whence he derived the idea that the Mizos are actually Jews, and he and a constantly growing number of his cohorts started practicing some Jewish rites, and then (with the help of Israeli rabbis) converting formally. The total number of thus converted Mizos can't be much more than 10,000. But an engine for further such activity was provided when Israel started accepting Mizo migrants in the 80's. There are Mizos in the IDF now and several hundred in a burgeoning community in Israel.
I'd be interested in seeing/reading about any genetic testing that has been done on the Mizos, any links are welcome.
65. marjoribanks - 8/23/2002 10:00:07 AM
The Pashtun legend about Jewish origins is much more compelling historically, and (given the isolation of several Pashtun groupings) I would not be surprised at all to find DNA evidence corroborating the story.
In which case, the worldwide population of Jews would shoot up, not to mention the gaugeable incidence of Jewish wife-stealing, drug smuggling and goatjacking.
66. jexster - 8/23/2002 10:46:41 AM
IzzieLand Braces for 'Raq Attaks If Boy Blunder Comes to Play in Arik's Big Sandbox
67. jexster - 8/23/2002 10:55:54 AM
In the "World's Interest"? In America's Interest? In Israel's Interest? Or in Sharon's Interest and in the Interest of Horny Little Ando?
During the Gulf War, the United States pressured Israel to remain out of the fight, even though Iraq launched 39 Scud missiles at Israel, for fear of losing the support of Arab allies in the military coalition against Iraq. But Israeli officials say that rationale does not apply this time because the United States is unlikely to line up an Arab coalition for an attack against Iraq.
"I don't think America will ask us to hold our fire this time," said a senior adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. "America understands there is no real need for a wall-to-wall coalition because it will never have the support of the Arab world for an attack on Iraq."
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
68. jexster - 8/23/2002 10:58:12 AM
"This whole gas mask thing is like giving aspirin to somebody who is suffering from a terminal disease,"
Hey RP..howza bout a picuture of you in your new gas mask?
69. jexster - 8/23/2002 11:01:14 AM
Blunder Boi Bumbles On:US Poll Shows Support for Big Adventure Dropping, Zan Klan Buys Gas Masks
70. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 11:32:16 AM
I agree with the guy who said that and I don't have a gas mask.
I have gas, but no mask.
Katzir is high up on a mountain, surrounded by a sea of Arab villages. Anything that kills us would kill tens of thousands of Arabs too. I'll be in my IDF uniform with my M-16 in hand, provided the current bid by my judge to have me taken out of the unit fails. Then again, even if I'm not removed, I may not have my M-16 in hand, because the roads may be blocked by Ahmed Tibi's Arabs once the shit starts falling, and I may not be able to get to the base. In which case Katzir will be cut off and a horde from Barta'a may try to converge upon us.
Hmmmm.
Maybe I better buy me an illegal weapon, just to be on the safe side?
It's an option, I guess.
Eh, but the way things look now, the war won't start until Sharon decides to start it.
71. jexster - 8/23/2002 11:34:17 AM
As King Blunder Boi scrambles to back away from IraK AttaK, the Los Angeles Times asks Did The Idiot Cause Iraq "Frenzy"? in the first place.
Complete with Chronology of Incompetence
72. jexster - 8/23/2002 11:39:58 AM
Oh you mean your guests bring masks when they drop by...
I bet Zan has a mask
73. jexster - 8/23/2002 11:42:09 AM
You can pretend to listen to Henry Kissinger all you like, but you're simply spouting stupid Brezinskiisms
Hell witch I have QUOTED the man, spoon fed the import of his comments to you and this is all you can manage as return fire?
Whore for Israel that's all you are; all you ever have been, and likely all you ever will be
74. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:08:18 PM
OK Jexster, you're getting on my nerves now. Enough posting for one day. Go away.
75. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:12:39 PM
Mark Steyn in 'The Spectator':
The other day, the National Education Association — i.e., the teachers’ union —announced their plans for the anniversary of 11 September: an attractive series of lessons and projects augmented by public TV documentaries and sponsored by Johnson & Johnson. From the company’s point of view, the sponsorship makes perfect sense: many of us have already gone out and bought a couple of extra crates of Johnson’s Baby Lotion, Extra-Strength Tylenol, etc., to deal with the blinding headaches and intense rectal irritation brought on merely by reading the NEA’s advance literature. And, funnily enough, once you’ve chugged down a few dozen pills and the soothing Johnson & Johnson unguents are caressing one’s pores, the peculiar emphases of the union’s 9/11 curriculum seem to pass through painlessly.
Can someone characterize the Brit papers for me: Spectator, Guardian, Telegraph, Independent - who's on left, who's on right, who's tabloid?
76. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:13:25 PM
Published in Arabia.com, believe it or not.
77. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:22:34 PM
I will add Arabia.com to the Parkay bar post-haste.
This is also from their 'Cartoonopia' section: 
78. marjoribanks - 8/23/2002 12:25:39 PM
Guardian=Left
Telegraph (aka Torygraph): Right
Independent: Centrist
Times: Murdoch
Mirror/Sun/Mail/Evening Standard (70% of the papers sold in the UK) : tabloid junk
79. jexster - 8/23/2002 12:31:04 PM
80. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:35:43 PM
Jexs:
The Gay Area reps interest my butt, as the Israeliism goes.
81. marjoribanks - 8/23/2002 12:37:49 PM
Oh yes, the Spectator is a conservative, right-leaning weekly. It's balanced somewhat by the left-leaning weekly, The New Statesman.
82. marjoribanks - 8/23/2002 12:39:06 PM
The Independent isn't truly centrist, like the Financial Times is on its political pages and in its op-eds. Within the UK spectrum, therefore, I re-characterize it as liberal, left-leaning.
83. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:39:34 PM
One more from Cartoonopia.
Too bad only some of them have English captions.
84. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:41:48 PM
Thanks, marj.
I may ask you to remind me every few months. I forget this stuff. But it'll sink in eventually.
Basically, the rule of thumb is that the papers go from left to right alphabetically, though, yes?
85. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:48:22 PM
New links on the Parkay bar: Cartoonopia and littlegreenfootballs, a blog by a couple of politically minded (Jewish?) web designer brothers.
86. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:51:48 PM
Nope, they don't seem Jewish at all. And they're called Johnson. 
87. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 12:53:26 PM
Michael's a ballet dancer.
88. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 1:07:44 PM
Kahil is good! 
89. marjoribanks - 8/23/2002 1:09:25 PM
Spike,
Today you have asked questions, one of me directly. I have responded in full to these queries.
Where is my fulsome thanks? Where, Spike, are your manners?
90. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 2:20:03 PM
marj:
Does your browser not support posts numbered 12883?
91. RustlerPike - 8/23/2002 2:22:03 PM
Also, I've inducted a post of yours into the Hall of Fame and I've recommended you as an assistant in the proposed WoR thread. Is this not enough for you, you thuggee?
92. concerned - 8/23/2002 4:28:32 PM
Wrt Kahil, I recall looking over some of his cartoons a few months ago, and I wouldn't imagine that RP would be very pleased with most of those.
93. jexster - 8/23/2002 7:02:04 PM
Editors (The New Sun Tzu's at TNR):
In your September 2nd editorial, you defend Bush's plans for waging preemptive war against Iraq on the sole basis that Iraq used chemical weapons against the Iranians and the Kurds some 15 year ago. For a war to have the "moral" justification you claim, five criteria must be met simultaneously. TNR's purported justification meets not a single one.
The criteria are for just war are:
94. jexster - 8/23/2002 7:14:09 PM
JustWar Theory - Stanford University On-line Encyclopaedia of Philosophy
95. jexster - 8/23/2002 7:26:40 PM
Just war theory insists all six criteria (some see 5, some 7) must each be fulfilled for a particular declaration of war to be justified: it's all or no justification, so to speak. I
t is important to note that the first three of these six rules are what we might call deontological requirements, otherwise known as duty-based requirements or first-principle requirements. For a war to be just, some core duty must be violated: in this case, the duty not to commit aggression. A war in punishment of this violated duty must itself respect further duties: it must be appropriately motivated, and must be publicly declared by (only) the proper authority for doing so. The next three requirements are consequentialist: given that these first principle requirements have been met, we must also consider the expected consequences of launching a war which seems justified according to first principles.
Thus, just war theory attempts to provide a common sensical combination of both deontology and consequentialism as applied to the issue of war.
96. RustlerPike - 8/24/2002 1:06:05 AM
Jexster:
Kindly limit your posts to 15 per day.
You're at 20% of your quota at present.
97. RustlerPike - 8/24/2002 3:55:52 PM
Waht is it about these doctors named Goldstein?
98. jexster - 8/25/2002 1:05:01 PM
I'll try RP.
From Todays NyT Op-Ed
Boy Blunder Get Nuther Big Behine Whuppin :
The Right Way to Change a Regime
By JAMES A. BAKER III
wherein Consiglierie to the House of Bush and Director General of the Great Election Theft says Boy Bush is one fucked up incompetent little shit.
99. jexster - 8/25/2002 4:05:35 PM
The UN option at least Baker sketches is from a political and strategic standpoint, a vast improvement over Bush's Macho Talk, Swishy Walk, and Costly Stumbles, but the question remains, would such a war, otherwise illicit, be made just one simply because the UN blessed it and a dozen nations waged it?
100. jexster - 8/25/2002 7:11:15 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Amid an intensifying debate over whether the United States should attack Iraq, former Secretary of State James Baker won early support on Sunday for suggesting the United Nations ( news - web sites) send in weapons inspectors backed by the threat of force.
Reuters Photo
Slideshow: Iraq and Saddam Hussein
Baker, writing an opinion piece in The New York Times, was the latest in a series of public figures and former U.S. officials voicing reservations about unilateral U.S. military action to topple Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites) as President Bush ( news - web sites) pushes for "regime change" in Baghdad.
The former secretary of state, who helped Bush's father craft the international coalition behind the 1991 Gulf War ( news - web sites), said the United States should first approach the United Nations for a final resolution authorizing weapons inspections in Iraq at any time, backed by the threat of the force.
"Seeking new authorization now is necessary, politically and practically, and will help build international support," Baker wrote.
Baker's proposal for intrusive U.N. inspections as a way to justify military action against Baghdad won swift bipartisan backing from the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Democratic Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, and Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican. Both appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation" program.
"By going to the United Nations, making the request, even if it results in Iraq stonewalling it, would move us into the moral high ground in appealing to our allies for their collaboration and gaining the support of the world for whatever form of action we end up taking against Iraq," Graham said.
Specter agreed. "Before we use military force, we ought to try all of the alternatives: economic sanctions, diplomacy, inspections."
101. jexster - 8/25/2002 11:50:43 PM
LET's ROLL JOEZ! And let's see who rolls with you morons.
Idiot Savants in the Court of King Boy Blunder - HOLY SAND DUNES Batman - Richard Perle
Washington's faceful bureaucrat
Maybe Sickles should sign up with that Rummy crew of dolts and macho men....fit right in!
Better be quick for
Iraq pushes to isolate Bush
Saddam Closes for the Kill
US History has rarely if ever witnessed such colossal incompetence in the Executive Branch,
In the Name of Allah and His Prophet (HIS NAME BE PRAISED!), DEATH TO TEXUS for dumpin their trash on the rest of us. 
102. jexster - 8/26/2002 12:12:02 PM
I think Our Very Own Jewish American Princess oughta be comfort girl to the GOP Whip...we'll call her a gift from Israel
Iraq & The Nine Other Countries TD Would Invade
103. RustlerPike - 8/26/2002 2:49:42 PM
Ahem.
104. RustlerPike - 8/26/2002 2:50:28 PM
Ahem.
105. RustlerPike - 8/26/2002 11:40:20 PM
Ahem-hem.
106. RustlerPike - 8/27/2002 3:03:37 AM
marj:
Are you being a meanie towards concerned?
107. jexster - 8/27/2002 11:40:33 AM
San Francisco, Calif.: 1. An article today recounted a dispute among your colleagues concerning the possible outcomes of urban warfare with Gen Hoak being decidedly pessimistic (realistic?). Question, how effective can U.S. tactics of "a synergy of violence and speed" be in urban fighting?
2. How might this be different from the experience of the last violently swift force to try, the German 6th Army?
Gen. Bernard Trainor: Urban warfare is ghastly. Nobody wants another Stalingrad or Grozney. The defat of the Iraqi army in the field could reduce the need to fight in the cities. As Mao did in China in 1949, he took the countryside and the Nationalists holed up in the cities facing the communists and a hostile population became discouraged and gave in. We saw the same thing in Kurst in Afghanistan.
Jeximan The Magnificent aka Commander Baba Jex and Gen. Bernard E. Trainor (USMC Ret)
Adjunct Senior Fellow,
Council on Foreign Relations
108. jexster - 8/27/2002 11:49:03 AM
Experience:
Associate, Center for Science and International Affairs, John F. Kennedy School of Government (1996-present); Military Analyst, NBC News (1993-present); Director, National Security Program, John F. Kennedy School of Government (199096); Military Analyst, ABC News (1990-91); Military Correspondent, New York Times (1986-90); career in the Marine Corps, retiring as Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans, Policies and Operations and Marine Corps Deputy to the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1951-85).
Selected publications:
The Generals' War, (co-author 1995); After the Storm (1993).
Honors:
Presidential Commission of Roles and Missions; Member, International Institute of Strategic Studies; Member of the Board of Visitors, Air Force Academy; Member of the Board of Directors, World Affairs Council; Member of the Editorial Board, Joint Force Quarterly; Editorial Advisor, Naval War College Review; Advisor, Center for Naval Analysis.
Education:
Distinguished Graduate, Air War College
M.A., University of Colorado
B.A., Holy Cross
109. jexster - 8/27/2002 11:51:07 AM
you can give your soul to Jessus but your ass belongs to the Corps...one for the Commandant...one for the Corps
110. jexster - 8/27/2002 11:52:15 AM
where's my J.A.p?
111. jexster - 8/27/2002 12:04:53 PM
BOY BLUNDER CHRONICLES: General Anthony Zinni [USMC]- re: Attack on Iraq One Stoopid Idea
Joining Gen Joseph Hoar [USMC -ret] former Cmndr Central Command
112. jexster - 8/27/2002 12:08:29 PM
Zinni derided the plan as ``Bay of Goats,'' a sarcastic reference to the failed U.S.- backed invasion by Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs in 1961.
113. concerned - 8/27/2002 12:55:00 PM
jexster - honorary Muslim.
114. jexster - 8/27/2002 1:05:38 PM
Cows are dying, buzzards are flying
TDashole- bugle boy to the Boy Blunder WarLord
Iraq Moves to Isolate the Imbecile
"George W. Bush is a geopolitical incompetent. He has allowed a clique of hawks to induce him to take a position, an invasion of Iraq, from which he cannot extract himself and which will have nothing but negative consequences, for everyone but first of all for the United States. He will find himself badly hurt politically, perhaps fatally. He will diminish rather rapidly the already declining power of the United States in the world. He will contribute dramatically to the destruction of the state of Israel by furthering the suicidal madness of the Israeli hawks. Of course, there will be many persons in the world who will be happy to see such negative consequences. The trouble is that, in the process, Bush will conduct warfare that will destroy many lives immediately, lead to a degree of turmoil in the Arab-Islamic world of a kind and at a level hitherto unimagined,"
115. jexster - 8/27/2002 1:07:07 PM
One for the Commandant, one for the Corps!
116. RustlerPike - 8/27/2002 4:06:40 PM
Jexs:
7 more posts and you reach your quota. Carry on.
117. jexster - 8/27/2002 4:47:09 PM
Affirmative.
URGENT MESSAGE FROM STARFLEET FOR RONSKI
118. jexster - 8/27/2002 4:50:55 PM
and lastly an email from my good buddy - Bernie Trainor
My gift to the IDF's premiere reservist!
----- Original Message -----
From: MC151rvn@aol.com
To: jex2@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Live Chat 8/26/02 - Washington Post - Thank You
Thank you for the nice note and the reference. Urban warfare is indeed grim. Since WWII, we have only had to do it twice, when the Marines captured Seoul in Sept. 1950 during the Korean war and again when the Marines liberated Hue during the Vietnamese Tet offensive of 1968. Both caused terrible casualties and I personally lost five good friends between the two actions. Hopefully that will be avoided if we go into Iraq. Here is an excerpt on a strategy for Iraq from an OPED I just submitted to the Washington Post. I don't know yet whether they plan on publishing it.
By concentrating air power on the Iraqi military in the field, and not on Iraq's infrastructure as was the case in the Gulf war, civilian casualties would be minimized. However, it would probably force retreating military units loyal to Saddam Hussein to fall back on the cities, where American power would be less effective. Fighting in cities is a nasty business accompanied by terrible casualties all around to say nothing of the destruction wrought. This may be Saddam's plan as there are reports that the Iraqis are digging trenches and erecting fortifications around urban centers. But, historically, when a regime's army is defeated in the field and loses control of the countryside cities don't long hold out. This was the Chinese communist experience in 1949 when it defeated Chiang Kai-shek. When it becomes clear to Iraqi troops holed up in Baghdad that defeat is in! evitable, defections and surrender become more likely. This is particularly true if the populace welcomes the attackers as was the case in Afghanistan.
119. jexster - 8/27/2002 9:18:58 PM
Pat Buchanan writes: "the GOP establishment is beginning to split over the issue of war on Iraq. Majority Leader Dick Armey was the first to speak out against it, followed by Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to Bush I. An attack on Iraq now, says Scowcroft, would 'jeopardize, if not destroy (our) global counter-terrorist campaign.' It could cause Saddam to launch weapons of mass destruction at Israel, provoking Israeli nuclear retaliation, igniting Armageddon. Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf concurs...When Bush returns from Crawford, Texas, in September, he is going to face a hellish situation. With Armey, Scowcroft, and now ex-Secretary of State Larry Eagleburger, Sen. Chuck Hagel and Jack Kemp deserting the War Party, Democrats have all the political cover needed to oppose the president's pre-emptive war...If the president [sic] and War Cabinet are still committed to pre-emptive war, they will have to make a far more compelling case to the country and Congress."
Send in the reserves RP...send in the J.A.P brigades, your team is losing big time
120. jexster - 8/27/2002 10:02:42 PM
Last one RP..if you look closely you can see the Ando's First JAP Brigade
And you said I was afraid Bush would what..come again? And what was that Yiddism about your Butt and the Bay Area congressional delegation? Come again?
Its no surprise to me that the NATO allies are bailing on Bush. They know that he's headed for disaster
Lawrence Eagleburger 
121. joezan - 8/27/2002 10:28:17 PM
(Yawn)
The invasion of Iraq is inevitable, jex.
You can post all the retarded Oliphant cartoons you please, but it will happen.
Deal with it.
122. ronski - 8/27/2002 10:37:57 PM
jexster,
And you don't honestly think I am going to bother opening that, do you?
123. RustlerPike - 8/27/2002 11:30:03 PM
Why do the three guys on the right in that cartoon have mustaches?
Were there many Mexican officers in the Union Army?
Or is this Oliphant's way of saying 'macho, non PC people'?
124. RustlerPike - 8/27/2002 11:31:57 PM
I admit there were a lot of mustachioed Americans back then, too, but those three look more Mexican than American.
Anyhow...
125. joezan - 8/27/2002 11:54:49 PM
...those three look more Mexican than American.
You're right, Pike.
In fact, that middle mustachioed guy looks just like Eli Wallach.
126. joezan - 8/28/2002 12:05:57 AM
In fact, he should probably be saying, Allies? We dun nid no steenking allies!"
127. RustlerPike - 8/28/2002 1:01:31 AM
You know, it's not fair that only certain threads get nudie pics, while others have to make do with pixellated pics of Jexster's aging e-pals.
This woman is called Tuesday Weld and she was once married to Dudley Moore.
128. RustlerPike - 8/28/2002 1:05:56 AM
You know, it's not fair that only certain threads get nudie pics, while others have to make do with pixellated pics of Jexster's aging e-pals.
This woman is called Tuesday Weld and she was once married to Dudley Moore.
129. RustlerPike - 8/28/2002 1:07:15 AM
I got the error message so I reposted. So now you see Tuesday twice. I don't figure anyone will be suing over that.
131. RustlerPike - 8/28/2002 12:45:20 PM
She thought she could get away from me.
132. jexster - 8/28/2002 1:58:06 PM
Saddam Moves to Isolate Bush: War to Make Boi Blunder Believable Under Attack from US Friends & Foes Alike
Let's roll?
Let's send in the JAP Brigades
133. jexster - 8/28/2002 2:01:39 PM
Jexster's aging e-pals.
Gunnery Sergeant Jexster, Drill Instructor: Who said that? Who the fuck said that? Who's the slimy little communist shit, tinkle-toed cocksucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh?! The fairy fucking godmother said it! Out-fucking-standing! I will PT you all until you fucking die! I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk. (grabs private Pike) Was it you, you scroungy little fuck, huh?
Private Pike: Sir No Sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor: You little piece of shit you look like a fucking worm, I bet it was you!
134. jexster - 8/28/2002 2:05:14 PM
135. RustlerPike - 8/29/2002 11:13:30 AM
I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk. (grabs private Pike) Was it you, you scroungy little fuck, huh?
No man grabs my privates and lives.
Besides, I'm a first sergeant.
136. PelleNilsson - 8/29/2002 12:14:14 PM
Your privates were discussed, recently, in the Café. You shoul really get out more instead of sulking in your hut.
137. RustlerPike - 8/29/2002 1:48:55 PM
Pelle:
I saw that, but I figured I'd let my privates deal with it in a private manner, as they saw fit.
138. RustlerPike - 8/29/2002 1:59:50 PM
Pelle:
Some rabid anti-femmie Israeli guy (more rabid than me, if you can believe that) claims that feminism in Sweden is so bad that women have their own, less expensive public transportation and men are not allowed to pee standing up.
Do you have any idea where he is getting these stories from?
139. PelleNilsson - 8/29/2002 2:03:46 PM
Fine, mature, manly thinking, First Sergeant. BTW, I am (i.e. was) an artillery captain. How's that for oneupmanship?
140. concerned - 8/29/2002 3:34:12 PM
RP -
I'm waiting for the women to start using the urinals in Sweden, since the stalls will be occupied by men. That'll prove that they've reached sexual equality.
141. RustlerPike - 8/29/2002 4:23:46 PM
Well, I just feel like crying. My monster wife is holding a birthday party for my daughter and nobody even told me about it.
142. judithathome - 8/29/2002 4:48:16 PM
My husband's ex did that to him with his son. He just called his son and said he was sorry he missed the party but wanted to take him someplace special for dinner and to buy him a special present afterward. What he didn't do was tell the kid what a shit his mother was for excluding him from the party...it's not the kids fault and they shouldn't be made to feel thay are the the cause of bad feelings between the parents.
I know you tend to think I'm siding with your ex but I'm not; just giving you the benefit of having been there and seen what works out best IN THE END. Don't give in to a momentary feeling of rage that could ruin what comes after. It isn't worth it.
143. RustlerPike - 8/29/2002 5:17:43 PM
Yes, well, thank you for sharing that, Judith. Men should never give in to their momentary rage, should they? That's an all-female prerogative.
Well I will give into my rage, and unless that party is called off, I'm crashing it. And don't answer me either, Judith, I'm fuming right now. Respect that. Believe me - although I know you want to lecture me and make me feel even angrier than I already am, don't. You'll feel better IN THE END. Believe me - I've been there.
As for the urinal affair - the guy seems to be right.
UnbefuckingLIEVEable.
WOMEN VICTIMIZED BY URINALS. A women's anti-urinal movement in Sweden, Germany and Australia is partly based on the idea that males who stand up to urinate are committing "a nasty macho gesture" suggestive of violence toward women. The U.S. Navy stumbled into this argument by announcing that it is thinking of replacing urinals on its ships with stainless-steel toilets. Feeling victimized by criticism, Rear Admiral S.R. Pietropaoli wrote a testy letter to the Washington Times saying that plans to remove "trouble-plagued urinals" have "nothing to do with gender."
And this, too.
Save the Urinals
Ed T. Barron, edtb@aol.com
Some feminist groups here in the U.S. and overseas are campaigning to have urinals removed from men's rest rooms. The rationale is that, because men can aim and women can't, this is degrading to women. At the University of Stockholm, in Sweden, urinals are being removed from men's rest rooms in response to these feminists.
This appears to be something that was going on a year or two ago.
144. RustlerPike - 8/29/2002 5:18:47 PM
This is way too much.
Women most definitely suck.
145. PelleNilsson - 8/30/2002 2:04:52 AM
This has all the hallmarks of an urban legend. It probably has its origin in some paper spoofing the feminists, which was picked up by the irony-impaired. I can say this with some confidence since I use the urinals at Stockholm University on an almost daily basis.
146. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 5:35:26 AM
You chauvinist pig!
I hope you use them sitting down!
147. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 5:43:53 AM
Scandinavian toilets are just different enough to be strikingly weird. The bowl shaft is longer and narrower than that of american pottery; not that the nordic toilets are taller, but the base porcelain allows a greater distance for doo drop.
The net effect, corroborated by at least two swedes, is that often shits will splash. Svante says that's cuz I'm an amateur, but I don't think one should have to wiggle and target the output of one's arse to hit the slopes and not the deadly dampening depths below.
(...) 
On the other hand Swedish urinals are brilliant for their beauty... These urinals are a vision of simplicity in parabolic curvature. The urinals glide out of the wall like pods for pee: something simple, streamlined, and Star Wars, all at the same time.
(click pic)
148. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 5:46:36 AM
Arlanda Airport urinal: 
149. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 6:35:41 AM
A proposed law in Sweden wants wall urinals banned in men's restrooms because for a male to stand is a symbol of male dominance - an outgrowth of sexual harassment legislation in America. This proposal is illustrative of the irrational pettiness to which 'female victimization' can and does sink.
I'm adding dadi.org to the SWoM links. Good stuff there.
150. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 6:38:42 AM
Ummm - where are my SWoM links?
151. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 6:53:28 AM
Has there always been a maximum number of links in the Parkay bar or is this a new thing?
152. joezan - 8/30/2002 7:15:18 AM
What is it with Swedes and pee anyway?
Wasn't it Sweden where this new pee funnel, which allows women to use urinals, was recently invented and met with a great feminine chorus of hallelujahs?
153. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 7:27:18 AM
Swedes would appear to be particularly wussy.
Pelle? Your input?
154. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 7:43:23 AM
This is not bad.
Some restrooms have little partitions between urinals, but on the whole I'd say 95% don't. There's really no privacy, and as bad as it is for women to have to sit on disgusting toilet seats, at least you can close the stall door and enjoy the billions of wriggling germs in relative solitude.
Just try doing your business with someone next to you. I mean, right next to you. I don't really like brushing elbows with complete strangers anywhere, least of all in a bathroom. Not to mention: Guys are weird, especially when they relieve themselves, and there are a few categories they fall into.
The Chatters: I know, people love to talk, but c'mon, man, I've got my dick in my hand, here. And so do you. Do we really need to talk about the traffic or sports or the memo you just got? It's somehow even more disconcerting when you actually know the person, I find.
Chatters don't just talk to people in the bathroom anymore, however, thanks again to technology. In the past year I've pissed next to several guys who were busy chatting away into cellphones. It's still pretty distasteful, but at least I don't have to keep up my end of the conversation.
The Grunters: I guess maybe these guys have prostate problems, or something, but there's a lot of grunting going on in the bathroom, and it's a little disturbing. I know there are masturbation jokes to be had here, but I'll just skip to the sound effects, as if that is somehow better. Basically, you get:
*UNZIP*
(pause... pause... pause...)
*GRUNT* TINKLETINKLETINKLETinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkle...
*teenk*
*tik*
*GRUNT*TINKLETINKLETINKLE...
This goes on for a long, long while. Weird, whatever it is.
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155. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 7:44:25 AM
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The Farters: I know, I know, the bathroom is the place for it, but sheez, these guys must be storing it up for week beforehand, because it sounds like the Titanic leaving port.
Please, keep in mind, while the activities of said gentlemen are occurring, they are standing less than four inches away from me. Okay, ladies? That stall looking a little better to you now? I thought so.
In closing, let me just say that, yes, I'm aware of the device you can order online, that looks like a little funnel thing and allows women to pee standing up. So, no need to forward the link to me. And women, I'd think twice before ordering one for yourself. Might not be worth it.
156. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 7:50:57 AM
Guys, read this, will you? It's funny as shit. Is this C. Thomas Howell guy real? Was he really in The Outsiders?
Funny shit.
157. PelleNilsson - 8/30/2002 1:22:50 PM
Wasn't it Sweden where this new pee funnel, which allows women to use urinals, was recently invented and met with a great feminine chorus of hallelujahs?
Never heard of it.
< dour>
On the other hand, it seems we have finally hit on a subject that manages to engage the feeble powers of what some might call, charitably, your intellect.
< /dour>
158. joezan - 8/30/2002 1:31:27 PM
Pelle:
Then you must not be paying much attention, there in the loo at the University of Stockholm.
159. wabbit - 8/30/2002 2:14:29 PM
I've recreated this thread in hopes that this past week's error message problem will be alleviated. Please see Message # 4064 in thread 27. The same has been done here.
160. PelleNilsson - 8/30/2002 2:21:03 PM
Joe
It's ineteresting that you know more than me about the loos at Stockholm University.
Teleportation?
161. RustlerPike - 8/30/2002 3:38:23 PM
Watch it, Pelle. Joe has sacred status in this thread.
Joe: 'loo'?
Let's do this: there was a femmie campaign to remove the urinals at Stockholm U. It failed to remove the urinals, but it got half the world talking about it, which is good for the femmies because they like to strike fear into our hearts and make us think there is nowhere where we can just be guys. Femmies like to insert themselves anywhere guys group, to prevent any kind of male bonding and report to their sistern about any worrying trends. They can't be physically present in the public toilets, so they insert themselves through obscenely ridiculous ideas they float in the media. Since urinals are a sort of homage to the coolness of being male, urinals must go. This is especially true of military toilets: the army is the classic male bonding site, and women make sure to have at least one woman present in every possible unit, at every possible moment.
The reason the Israeli femmie scene is in such a huff right now is that men are getting called up for reserve service, and the women can't be present in the places where the army is now, because it's too scary, and women don't do reserve duty, not even for the femmunist cause (after all, they do the world a favor when they even agree to serve their shortened term in regular army service. About 40% of them don't even do that). They have infiltrated the standing army quite thoroughly, including the Air Force, but the reserve grunt units patrolling in the Territories are impenetrable.
So now Israeli femmunism is in deep shit, and losing ground daily, thanks to Yasir Arafat and Saddam Hussein.
162. jexster - 8/30/2002 5:44:14 PM
First Sergeant Pike, I will gouge out your eyes and skull fuck you so you can see me feed your privates to Ando and Pack of Wild JAPS.
163. jexster - 8/30/2002 10:14:36 PM
Jerusalem -- A series of provocative and clearly political remarks by top military figures has spurred anxiety among left-leaning Israelis that a new generation of military leaders is wading into waters where it does not belong.
Chief of staff Lt. Gen. Moshe Ya'alon described Palestinian militants earlier this week as a "cancer-like" threat that must be defeated at all costs.
Speaking before a rabbinical assembly Sunday, Ya'alon blamed Palestinian leaders for fomenting violence against Israelis and said they are "not prepared to recognize Israel's right to exist as an independent Jewish state."
Just a few days earlier, air force chief Maj. Gen. Dan Halutz stepped into a raging political debate over the army's dropping of a 1-ton bomb in a residential neighborhood of Gaza, defending the strategy as "militarily and morally" proper.
The attack killed 14 civilians -- nine of them children -- as well as its intended target, Hamas leader Salah Shehadah.
IsraelitesDefendingFascism IDF todays force for the political freaked, morally weak, the 21st century IzzieNazi
164. jexster - 8/30/2002 11:09:58 PM
Pelle's was right to spurn the Affrikaner/Israeli analogy.
The Afrikkaner apartheid was not as violently oppressive. The Affrikaner was not an occupier rather was a segregationist not an eliminationist. The colored had limited rights physical segregation, and was a fellow citizen in South Africa and the state's goal was to perserve that special status. The PAL has no guarantee of rights, status or place. What the PAL has now is simply the remainder left over after yesterday's theft available for tommorrow's. The Israeli occupation is implicitly radical, impermanent, elminationist. Apartheid was conservative, permanent, and preservationist.
And as b4, the ANC was more radical, better organized, more powerful, more violent, politically more extreme than te PLO.
165. RustlerPike - 8/31/2002 3:37:05 AM
As usual, jexster, your analysis of the Mideast situation is succinct and spot-on, leaving nothing out of the picture.
There are 22 Jewish countries in the Middle East, and only one for the Arabs (Palestine). Yet the Jews won't even let the Arabs have that, the fuckers. They want to shove a Jewish country west of the Jordan down the Arabs' throats and demand that the Arabs "respect democracy" in their tiny country, when they themselves respect only autocracy, racism, militarism, violent religious fanaticism and criminal state-funded sadistic atrocity campaigns, featuring "martyrdom operations" like causing huge office buildings to burn and collapse on their occupants.
Skull-fuck the Jews, I say!
166. RustlerPike - 8/31/2002 3:39:35 AM
Let me say this: there were 3,000 dead in the World Trade Center, and there are about 600 Israelis dead in the current terror war. There won't begin to be a sense of normalcy and justice in the world until there are at least 100 Arab deaths for every Israeli and American one.
167. RustlerPike - 8/31/2002 11:51:02 AM
It strikes me that PelleNilsson is quite easily rearranged as PenislesLlon.
Whereas, if I spell it PelleNissson (which is as good a spelling as any), I get PenislessLon - which is what I was aiming at, of course.
I'm sure that'll get me some brownie points with the Triumvires, eh?
168. RustlerPike - 8/31/2002 12:17:26 PM
Ah, what the hell.
PenisLessOne.
169. RustlerPike - 8/31/2002 12:17:54 PM
PenislessOne?
170. LadyChaos - 8/31/2002 7:34:39 PM
Just War Theory... blah-blah-blah...
Saddam Hussein has never complied with the cease fire agreement that his generals signed at the end of the Gulf War. GWB has all the international law he needs to justify going in and smacking the guy around.
Nobody should ever have to buy the same horse, twice.
171. Al D - 8/31/2002 8:30:36 PM
I spent a couple of hours listening to an Islamic group explaining Jihad. There were four speakers; the only names I remember are Tireq Ramadan and Jackson, who had an Arabic first name. The first speaker assured all that Islam is a religion of peace, but peace must be with justice:no justice, no peace, no justice, no peace. I was worried they all might run out and start looting Korean shops. He never got around to saying exactly what "justice" he would settle for.
The last speaker came to Islam from his jail cell, and was rescued from sin by Allah. Some get saved by Islam, some by Jesus, but many don't stay saved once they get our unless they can make a career out of it. He talked about his slave ancestors. He could have made a shorter speech. You white motherfuckers made slaves of my kin and I'll get your white ass for sure.
They were all very interesting.
172. Al D - 8/31/2002 8:31:46 PM
LC
I don't come here often, so you might be here a lot, but it sure good to see you and hope is all well with you.
173. RustlerPike - 9/1/2002 12:44:31 AM
Al:
What exactly was the venue for these speeches?
174. Edmund Dantes - 9/1/2002 10:20:17 PM
Palestinians kill teenaged girl for "collaboration"
18-year-old Rajah Ibrahim was the second female in a week to be killed by members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, who are affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement. The first was her aunt, a mother of three.
175. RickNelson - 9/2/2002 8:59:10 AM
Al, can you give the name of that group to a local tv news affiliate who can do one of those investigative reports? We've two such choices to call if there is something we want to report. They chose to or not, but trying is Ok.
176. jexster - 9/2/2002 9:47:17 AM
From the BBC, This is the World Service
The Stoopid Questions, Stoopid People Show
First we go to today's guest Colin Powell with the Stoopid Question of the Hour...
"Iraq has been in violation of many U.N. resolutions for most of the last 11 or so years. And so, as a first step, let's see what the inspectors find. Send them back in. Why are they being kept out?"
For an answer we take you to Baghdad and Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Assiz calling Baghdad, come in
Baghdad...
"It's a non-starter because it's not going to bring about a conclusion. Is the return of inspection going to stop the American attack on Iraq? There are doubts about that. I have here the number of statements by high-ranking American officials telling that with or without the inspectors."
Thank you very much Mr. Foreign Minister. We appreciate you appearing on our show in such difficult circumstances.
What with Boi Blunder Bumble Bombs dropping on Baghdad and your responibilities in "Operation Cut the Idiot's Balls Off and Feed Em to Cheney" you must be quite busy.
"Pleasuably busy. Why, to paraphrase one of your charming metaphors, its been like stealin camels from a baby at a whadi"
Now that was one DUMB question eh JoeyZ?
177. joezan - 9/2/2002 9:54:54 AM
Yeah, jex - real dumb.
What about 4 years ago, when the inspectors were kicked out?
What about all this time since, when all Iraq had to do to comply with UN sanctions and prevent "millions of Iraqis starving", and get everyone off their backs, was allow inspectors back in, when they weren't being threatened with attack?
178. jexster - 9/2/2002 10:01:00 AM
If ya got a problem with the present Strongman of the Fertile Crescent, just wait...a new more terrifying model is now being trained at the Institute for Care of the Mentally Infirm in Crawford Texus
179. jexster - 9/2/2002 11:50:17 AM
What about 4 years ago, when the inspectors were kicked out?
They weren't "keicked out". Richard Butler ordered them out because of the bombing.
Here are a few "what abouts" for you?
- What about some evidence that Saddam has nuclear weapons of mass destruction?
- What about some evidence that he has chem-bio weapons that are usable?
- What about some evidence that he can deliver as much as a pipe bomb to Basra?
-What about all these complainst NOW about weapons that were last used in the 1980's with tactic approval from Rumsfeld?
- What about the chicken hawk's apologia for death and destruction "Saddam is now so weak that he can't find tred replacements for his rusting tanks?
- What about the of all the countries that, face imminent and grave danger (according to Cheney), not a single one supports Bush's Big Bumble?
- What about the fact that every such country opposes the Regime's adventurism?
And HOW ABOUT a little less bombastic bushshit?
180. jexster - 9/2/2002 11:53:47 AM
Dumb questions or dumb people?
181. RustlerPike - 9/2/2002 1:15:08 PM
If there is one thing I've had enough of, it's Arab spokesmen like Aziz or Erekat using Americanisms like 'non-starter' and 'endgame' and 'this is the politics of - '.
I mean really, if you hate America that much, why are you trying so hard to keep abreast and savvy?
182. PelleNilsson - 9/2/2002 1:55:39 PM
Haaretz story
Damascus has allowed some 150-200 Qaida operatives to settle in the Palestinian refugee camp Ein Hilwe near Sidon in Lebanon. The group, including senior commanders, arrived from Afghanistan through Damascus, Iran and directly to Lebanon. These Qaida operatives are responsible, among other things, for the latest outbreak of fighting inside the refugee camp, as part of their effort to take over the camp.
These details and others have lately been gathered by various intelligence services.
This looks like a planted leak which may or may not be true. Question: Why now?
183. jexster - 9/2/2002 7:40:03 PM
Operation Isolate the Imbecile: Iraq Presses Case, Victories Continue for Saddam
Regime's WarLord Confused in Crawford Returning to Washington
Pakistan shuns action against Iraq (02-Sep-02)
Pakistan will not join the United States in any military action against Iraq and its leader Saddam Hussein, the country's president, General Pervez Musharraf has said. (CNN)
Musharraf Critical of Attack on Iraq (AP)
Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, whose alliance with the U.S.-led campaign on terrorism was crucial to the war in Afghanistan, has warned that an American attack on Iraq would cause more turmoil in the Muslim world.
Russia warns against Iraq attack Russia says it will not support any U.S. military action against Iraq because it would only "complicate" attempts to resolve problems in the Middle East. Foreign minister blasts Bush for not presenting a single fact based argument to support claims that Iraq threatens US interests"
China declines to single out Pakistan and Iraq as special targets of its new regulations for missile technology exports (AP)
... require that missile technology exports be approved by government regulatory agencies and that exporters be registered.......Specific regions or countries, such as North Korea ( news - web sites), Pakistan and Iran — nations whose missile programs have concerned the United States —...
Iraq Continues Diplomatic Campaign (AP)
Negotiations can still avert a possible U.S. attack on Iraq, Iraq's vice president said as his country pressed ahead with its diplomatic campaign and the United States got more advice to proceed with caution.
184. jexster - 9/2/2002 7:40:17 PM
Muslims Keep Heat on U.S. as Europeans Warn Iraq (Reuters)
Muslims leaders kept a united front of pressure on Washington on Thursday to avert a strike against Iraq, saying it could unleash fresh turmoil in the Islamic world by widening a gulf between Muslims and the West.
China, India Decry Plan to Strike Iraq (Reuters)
China and India, the world's two most populous countries, stressed their opposition to the use of force against Iraq without mentioning the United States by name.
- Aug 28 7:33 AM ET
Mandela Criticizes U.S. on Iraq (AP)
Nelson Mandela said Monday that he is "appalled" by U.S. threats to attack Iraq and warned that Washington is "introducing chaos in international affairs." He said he had spoken with President Bush's father and Secretary of State Colin Powell
185. jexster - 9/2/2002 7:48:32 PM
PelleNilson, Captain of Artillery Troops, We - who are about to die so that all nations will believe in Our King and not scorn him - we salute you! 
186. jexster - 9/2/2002 7:49:06 PM
187. jexster - 9/2/2002 7:54:20 PM And you can cut your defense expenditure Pelle. You fella don't need those bitchin Leopard II tanks and death dealin Haubits 77's. King George will take care of you. 188. jexster - 9/2/2002 8:11:57 PM 189. jexster - 9/2/2002 8:35:47 PM And fear not JoeZ, its all in the mind..a question of mind over Moron ... of minding one's own bidniss...of what happens to the brain when you JUST SAY YES to cocaine and Arik 190. joezan - 9/2/2002 8:54:01 PM They weren't "keicked (sic) out". Richard Butler ordered them out because of the bombing. 191. jexster - 9/2/2002 9:40:59 PM Don't worry Joe, I will save you... 192. joezan - 9/2/2002 9:55:03 PM Don't bother, jex: 193. jexster - 9/2/2002 10:05:53 PM Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company 194. RustlerPike - 9/2/2002 10:14:21 PM Jexs: 195. joezan - 9/2/2002 10:18:16 PM Do you think we're idiots here, or are you really not aware that that was in November. Iraq officially expelled UNSCOM in December, refusing to let them back in to continue inspections. 196. RustlerPike - 9/2/2002 10:26:22 PM This looks like a planted leak which may or may not be true. Question: Why now? 197. RustlerPike - 9/2/2002 10:31:28 PM I donno, Joe, I think the point was that even when the inspectors were there, they were being misled continually. 198. jexster - 9/2/2002 10:42:05 PM No JoeZ I think you are a WarFrenzied Moron. 199. joezan - 9/2/2002 10:42:08 PM Whose point? 200. joezan - 9/2/2002 10:45:50 PM Anyway - wrt Syria: I think Pelle's question was a rhetorical one - he knows the deal. 207. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 12:44:39 AM Jexs is strangely silent. 208. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 12:46:09 AM I would have expected a six-post, boldfaced, untoy-picked-upped highly pixellated rant from old Jexs. 209. Andonly - 9/3/2002 12:58:48 AM Well, I'm glad someone else noticed that Schiff article in Haaretz today. I'd been wondering what the hell was up in Ein Hilwe--like, why would someone want to start trouble there just lately? I wondered whether it was because Arafat was appearing weaker and more than ever incapable of overcoming the old-man halitosis that every news photo confirms he must reek of. But a) Arafat has not actually been knocked off his steed yet, so I don't know why Pal "refugees" in Lebanon would bother getting all excited just yet, and b) surely Syria would have quickly constrained your garden-variety Pal uppityness in Lebanon. The al Qaida connection, if true, would make some sense. 210. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 2:40:54 AM Ando, 211. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 6:49:09 AM Ehhh, kids don't need moms. 212. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 9/3/2002 10:27:28 AM The good doctor believes this Pike wight lacks a single drop of Irish blood. 213. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 11:33:29 AM I will look up 'wight' when I get back from the grocery store. 214. PelleNilsson - 9/3/2002 11:37:32 AM He is calling you a creature. 215. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 11:46:09 AM Oh. 216. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 11:58:38 AM The thing that got me going was that I had been under the impression that the judge had given her final decisions on my matter, and that it was all over, at least until next spring, when my wife may start her ritual of saying she wants to move out of Katzir with the kids all over again. 217. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 12:03:55 PM I think I'll beat up the wife's lawyer. This is really going too far. What can I get? A person has got to slug people once in a while. He doesn't seem that strong. 224. Andonly - 9/3/2002 1:39:04 PM The Financial Times ran a fuckiung Gareth Smyth piece on the Schiff article this morning--or rather, a brief mention of the piece shorn of any specifics, followed by a tissue of raging Palestinian bloviation about how the US and Israel are conspiring to cut up the Arab world and Israeli claims about 200 al Qaeda in Ein Hilwe are all lies. (There are only 199, goddammit.) 227. PelleNilsson - 9/3/2002 2:25:06 PM Rustler 228. joezan - 9/3/2002 2:29:15 PM Well, whaddayaknow - at least on this point, the US is even more PC than Swedeland. 229. Andonly - 9/3/2002 2:45:10 PM Pike, I'm with the Swede on this: relentless jexstronism is a turnoff. Isn't there some Judaic proscription against spilling one's seed on the ground? 230. PelleNilsson - 9/3/2002 2:59:11 PM joe 231. ronski - 9/3/2002 3:12:55 PM A friend of a friend had a parakeet named Onan (because he spilled his seed). 232. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 3:13:24 PM Pelle: 233. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 3:16:32 PM (Ando: 234. RustlerPike - 9/3/2002 3:18:11 PM Jexster was over his daily quota anyways. 235. jexster - 9/3/2002 9:36:04 PM The Hon. Nancy Pelosi 236. jexster - 9/3/2002 9:37:48 PM 237. jexster - 9/3/2002 9:38:27 PM Bite me Pike....go suck some Sarin 238. jexster - 9/3/2002 9:45:25 PM So Zan, are you still legion? 239. ronski - 9/3/2002 10:38:19 PM jexster, 240. RustlerPike - 9/4/2002 12:19:10 AM OK, here's a funny thing (the funny part comes at the end): 241. RustlerPike - 9/4/2002 12:20:56 AM >>> 242. Andonly - 9/4/2002 12:41:01 AM R-"A friend of a friend had a parakeet named Onan (because he spilled his seed)." 243. RustlerPike - 9/4/2002 7:38:56 AM Yahweh actually presented me with that towel in my dream and commanded me to use it. 252. PelleNilsson - 9/4/2002 2:49:17 PM jexster 253. jexster - 9/5/2002 10:46:01 AM Move them where you'd PPickelhaube. As I am sure you know, I don't much care. But if Zan thinks he's going to get way with calling me a "pathetic liar" by hiding under his First Sgt's skirts... 254. jexster - 9/5/2002 10:49:52 AM Copyright 1998 Agence France Presse 255. jexster - 9/5/2002 10:50:36 AM 256. jexster - 9/5/2002 10:54:48 AM Wait til Bush puts the Zan Clan on the front lines of his War for Believability... 257. jexster - 9/5/2002 10:55:12 AM 207. RustlerPike - 9/3/02 5:44:39 AM 258. jexster - 9/5/2002 10:58:16 AM 259. jexster - 9/5/2002 11:12:12 AM In his interview is the second of a series in which national and world figures reflect on the terrorist attacks and their effect on a year of public life and policy. 260. joezan - 9/5/2002 11:20:39 AM (hee-heeeeee!!!) 261. jexster - 9/5/2002 11:57:37 AM Meet Gen Zinni Zan...a real "euroshit" if ever one there was... 262. jexster - 9/5/2002 1:45:09 PM Until we get those pics of the Zan Clan in gasks masking waiting to meet Jesus in the air on the banks of the River Jordan, we'll have to make do for yuks... 263. joezan - 9/5/2002 1:52:43 PM One from today's news - how much more do you need, jex? 264. jexster - 9/5/2002 2:23:43 PM You benighted bloodthirsty little imbecile... 265. jexster - 9/5/2002 2:24:57 PM 266. jexster - 9/5/2002 2:25:48 PM "What is your name?" 267. jexster - 9/5/2002 2:32:04 PM 177. joezan - 9/2/02 2:54:54 PM 268. jexster - 9/5/2002 2:32:48 PM Sound off like you got a pair asshole 269. jexster - 9/5/2002 3:28:44 PM CAIRO (Reuters) - Arab League chief Amr Moussa said Thursday a strike against Iraq would "open the gates of hell" in the Middle East, and urged Baghdad to readmit weapons inspectors in coordination with the United Nations ( news - web sites). 270. marjoribanks - 9/5/2002 5:27:08 PM Jex,
Field Howitzer 77B is included in the divisional artillery battalions. The gun is a development of Field Howitzer 77A and was commissioned into the Army at the beginning of the 1990’s. The difference between this gun and the 77A is that it is equipped with a screw mechanism instead of a wedge mechanism, plus a longer barrel with a plate brake. Field Howitzer 77B is one of the few automatically loaded artillery pieces with cartridge charges. Each gun is is equipped with the POS 2 system for positioning and direction of the gun.
All types of 155 mm ammunition, among others conventional HE ammunition and base-bleed ammunition, can be fired from this gun. Range with a conventional HE shell is in excess of 17 km, and with a base-bleed shell in excess of 27 km. Rate of fire is 3 rounds within 12 seconds.
A Portrait of PellePickelhaube As A Young Man 
Now this is what I mean when I say your talents are wasted here, jex.
See - one thing you're forgetting is that all 10 of us Moties remember GWI and its aftermath very well. And any one of us could, without even trying, find a shitload of news stories such as this, this, this, this, or this, to prove what a pathetic liar you are.
Stamina will only get you so far here, dude.
You need to find a place where they'll be dazzled by your bullshit.
I'll get the quote from none other than Richard Bulter himself which will free at least a synapse or two from the Big Bagboogey Man....
Not Saddam, that other clown, The Krusty One!
CNN - 1997: Iraqi authorities reportedly told the three U.S. weapons inspectors politely but firmly that they could not enter the country after they had flown from Bahrain aboard a U.N. plane to an air base, 125 kilometers northwest of Baghdad. The Iraqi leadership said on Wednesday it would no longer cooperate with Americans in U.N. inspection teams checking Iraq's compliance with Gulf War resolutions.
CNN - 2002: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein denies his government is developing weapons of mass destruction, but it expelled international weapons inspectors in 1998.
PBS: And, in December 1998, Iraq expelled all UNSCOM weapons inspectors charging that UNSCOM has become a spy agency.
(Not that it's not amusing to see a lefty make an ass of himself - but with you, it's gettin' mighty old).
The New York Times
November 12, 1998, Thursday, Late Edition - Final
U.N. Orders Inspectors and Relief Staff Out of Iraq
BYLINE: By BARBARA CROSSETTE
DATELINE: UNITED NATIONS, Nov. 11
After a warning from the United States that a military strike on Baghdad may be imminent, the United Nations abruptly evacuated more than 230 foreign staff members from Iraq today, including all weapons inspectors. Another 41 people from various agencies will depart on Thursday, leaving only essential staff members behind.
Russia, angry that there had been no consultation with all Security Council members before a decision was made to withdraw the arms inspectors, called a meeting of the Council today to demand an explanation from the chief inspector, Richard Butler.
Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency were also withdrawn, leaving the Baghdad monitoring center "dead," an official said here today. The inspectors -- 92 from Unscom and 11 from the I.A.E.A. -- flew to Bahrain today.
You have posted about 6,000 words and 10 pictures in three hours, and are obviously taxing your mental strength dangerously. I am cutting down your daily post quota to 10. That leaves you one more for today. Use it wisely.
Actually, the story seems pretty bona fide to me. And Schiff is as respectable as they come (for lefties).
This is more interesting, of course:
Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Qaida group that conducted the Sept. 11 airplane suicide attacks on the Twin Towers in New York, flying the first plane into the towers, visited Syria twice or three times. The Syrians did not give that information to the Americans on their own volition.
Osama bin Laden's son, Omar, left Syria together with his mother Nagwa, three weeks before the attack on the Twin Towers, after receiving anonymous instructions to do so. The son returned to Syria after 9-11, and has since visited twice more. Bin Laden's wife and son lived in the Alawite stronghold in Latakiya in an arrangement that gave refuge to bin Laden's close relatives. The two are not now in Syria.
Intelligence services have also managed to find detailed information about contacts between one of the leading Hezbollah military figures, Imad Mourghniyeh, and a Qaida operative in Sudan. There is no evidence yet of that relationship developing into continuing ties, but there is no doubt the meeting could not have taken place without Syrian intelligence knowing of it.
Btw, this crazed anti-femmie friend of mine is unfazed by your claim of using the urinals at SU daily. He says to ask you about the so-called 'Girl Taxis' which ferry Swedish women at 50% the normal fare. Is there any truth to this at all? Where is he getting this story from, do you think?
Think about a situation in which a group of inspectors from Japan are searching for plutonium in 1944 USA, and you'll start to get the picture.
But I believe that the Truth will set you free. I am a Man of Faith.
Take care though, I am not speaking of small "t" truth. The fact that Iraq did not expell the UN inspectors, the UN ordered them withdrawn in anticipation of bombs over Baghdad. That is a little truth. I'd be more than happy to exceed the daily IP limit by flooding the thread with the kazillion articles (LOVE YA LEXIS!) that establish this small "t" type truth. Hell I know that First Sargent pile would PT me til I puke buttermilk, probably gouge out my eyeballs and skull fuck me. But screw Pike, I'd do it for ya a New York minute..
But you'd never get free. You never get to the Truth. You'd still be lost in corn pon con and Fear-filled Frenzy. The questions to which the Butler correction was but minor preface were to set you on the path to Truth....
I realize now that you are having some difficulty so I will give you the answer...so what is the REALLY about?
The failure to take on Saddam after what the president said would produce such a collapse of confidence in the president that it would set back the war on terrorism." The Truth from Richard Perle
When you're free JoeZ you'll love it. Why you'll be able to tell the difference between fart and fragrance again.
Z BE FREE!
Not jex's - jex thinks we left because Scott Ritter single-handedly destroyed Saddam's war-making machine, pissed on his old man's grave, then called in an airstrike on Baghdad just for shitz-n-gigglez.
As I said in another thread, Iraq is just for starters.
You seem to have stumped him, Joe.
It would be a disaster for Lebanon if al Qaida got entrenched there.
It will be interesting to see if Schiff's report gets replayed at all in the American press.
One US war aim that's been publicized is the possibility of blowing up the calndestinely opened oil pipeline between Iraq and Syria. Unless I miss my guess, that would have an unpleasant effect on the Syrian economy, not just on Saddam's coffers.
Where have you been? My loins have been uncomfortably unstirred lately.
Moms are superfluous.
Dads rule.
Well, OK. I've been called worse.
So Pelle, have you ever heard of anything remotely like this 'girl taxi'?
And then yesterday I get a call around 12:30 from the wife's lawyer, asking me why I wasn't in court, because the session had been scheduled for 11:30. He also said something about there being a new report from the social worker, but apparently he was lying or bluffing, hoping to freak me out, I don't know. So anyway, I duly freaked out and figured this was something the judge had concocted because she had it in for me, she had been shown the letter I wrote to the police about her, something like that, and she was going to fuck me over.
I'm still not totally sure this isn't the case but the surprise jolt factor has worn off a bit, and I'm starting to think maybe she just wants to adjust the visitation arrangement a bit, which I don't mind because this half and half arrangement does have some serious drawbacks for me too.
As for the surprise factor: I had notofied the court that I was dismissing my lawyer and representing myself, but this was never done formally. The court sems to have sent the summons to the session to this lawyer, who apparently purposely didn't inform me of the session. So he's a bastard, but at least it's not a court-engineered ambush like I had thought. And again - I think the wife's lawyer had a part in misleading me about that matter, too, hoping perhaps I would freak out and beat up the judge or something. He did have a smile at the corner of his mouth when he saw me show up at the courthouse, all riled up.
Gareth Smyth is probably the world's worst reporter after Phil Reeves, so I have no better sense of the truth or falsity of the Haaretz piece after reading him.
Pls move jex's posts to the Inferno. They are becoming increasingly tedious, repetitive, lunatic and content-free, and they will scare away visitors.
The true story about the so called Girls' Taxis is as follows. Some years ago there was the recurrent scare-mongering in the press about how unsafe the Stockholm subway system is at night, in particular for women. At the same time, the taxi system was being deregulated. One of the start-up taxi companies saw a market opportunity and offered a discount, 10-20% I think, to women after 22.00. Well, the scare subsided and presumably the discount went with it. I haven't seen it advertised for a long time.
These urban myths are amazing, only surpassed by the morons who believe them. Best regards to your "friend".
You're not even allowed to have "ladies nights" in clubs here, let alone discounts based solely on gender.
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My folks just got back from Israel where, they tell me, one of my cousins is busy gathering signatures for Mitznah.
Also they complained about the yeshiva buchers making a nuiscance of themselves everywhere, yelling ostentatiously at airport clerks, driving around in cars loaded up to the windows with boxes of gefilte fish, carelessly knocking down women in crowds, wearing hats on top of their kippoht, and generally looking unwashed and unkempt, with especially filthy shoes.
Whatever PC-ness we have here is imported from the US, and as usual the Swedes are slow on the uptake.
Andonly.
Onan. But for some reason I doubt Rustler would like to use that parable at present.
I don't spill my seed on the ground. I have a pink towel that I use when I am making Dove to myself. It helps create the fleeting illusion of being under a feminine skirt of sorts. Then I forget about it, as I start clicking on pics of shiny African women with wonderful butts and wide-open vulvae doing lovely things to each other and to an occasional man.
Then everything goes 'kaboom' and I am quite pleased.
I'm worried about Joe's sudden interest in the subject of feminism. He never used to comment on the subject. What is your take? Is Mr. Cool in danger of deteriorating into a Pikean stupor?)
Dear Rep. Pelosi:
In recent weeks, several prominent Republicans, among them Brent Scowcroft, your colleague Dick Armey, Lawrence Eagleburger, and James Baker have boldly and decisively spoken out against Bush plans to invade Iraq. Over that same period, prominent Democrats have remained embarrasingly silent. As a Democrat and constituent I am ashamed, and I am angry.
Over the next days and weeks, you will be meeting the President and leading House deliberations. I urge you in the strongest terms to speak out; to put Bush his proof, and to examine justifications that have thus far amount to nothing more than deceptiive pretexts for a gravely immoral adventurism.
The consequences for the US and the world should Bush's schemes remain unchecked are grave indeed. Perhaps you read Immanuel Wallerstein's OpEd in Los Angeles Times last April. His opening parapaph has, in the event, turned out to be eerily prophetic:
"George Bush is a geopolitical incompetent. He has allowed a clique of hawks to induce him to take a position on invading Iraq from which he cannot extract himself, one that will have nothing but negative consequences for the United States - and the rest of the world. He will find himself badly hurt politically, perhaps fatally. And he will rapidly diminish the already declining power of the US in the world."
No citizen, no representative can anything to do with any unprovoked, preemptive invasion of a sovereign nation unless the following criteria met. In no case, has the Bush admistration advanced a justification for war that comes close to satisfying a single one.
The criteria are for just war are:
- the damage must be lasting, grave, and certain;
- all other means must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
- the prospects of success must be significant;
- the use of arms must not produce evils graver than the evil to be eliminated, and
- the decision for war must be made by legitimate authority, in this case, both the United States Congress and the Security Council of the United Nations.
Please note that Bush's promise to "consult" with the UN and Congress is insufficient. You must not be a party to any consultation without a sure and certain committment that the Administration will seek not only congressional approval but Security Council sanction for any Bush schemes to enforce UN resolutions.
As the decision for war is yours, so too the responsibity for its consequences.
Thank you very much.
John C. McC
San Francisco, CA
cc: Alice B. Toklas Democratic Club
Or just an imbecile?
7:13 GMT, 16 December 1998
BAGHDAD, Dec 16 (AFP) -UN humanitarian staff and weapons experts were being evacuated from Baghdad on Wednesday after UN arms chief Richard
Butler warned Iraq was failing to cooperate with his inspectors, UN sources said.
"We are in the process of evacuating" by
plane to Bahrain, a source with the UN
Special Commission (UNSCOM) in charge
of disarming Iraq told AFP, declining to
give more details.
The UN Special Commission (UNSCOM) in
charge of disarming Iraq began
evacuating its staff from Baghdad on
Wednesday, a day after Butler reported
to the UN Security Council that Iraq had
failed to cooperate fully with his
inspectors.
Witnesses said humanitarian staff left
the UN headquarters at the Canal Hotel
with their baggage. "All the staff are
being evacuated," said a witness at the
building.
Butler, the UNSCOM chairman, reported
Tuesday that Iraq had not only failed to
provide full cooperation with arms
inspectors but had introduced new
restrictions on their work.
Don't you think it's time to start your own blog?
I mean, please?
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I was deeply insulted by the fact that the birthday party was held without me, but I spoke to my wife yesterday and it was the first time we've had a semi-normal conversation since she left home. We may actually be able to reach agreement on the subject of visitation and alimony (thus avoiding the dreaded session with the judge, who does after all appear to want to screw me over badly all of a sudden). And I'm thinking - somehow, through this struggle, Anna suddenly has Israeli friends. The femmunists may have their own reasons for joining forces with her, but at least they respect her and have accepted her into their fold. Which goes a long way towards solving the original problem - my wife's feeling that she is not good enough, will never fit in, etc. Which seems to be making her much more normal and less belligerent.
In other words - the common cause makes the femmies see my wife as a person, and not just a kushit. Once she has been accepted into their social circle, though, she seems to be becoming less belligerent towards me.
Who knows, in the end the local femmies may even wind up learning stuff from her. God knows there's a lot they need to learn about how to be women.
This make any sense to anyone?
That's priceless.
P-"Onan. But for some reason I doubt Rustler would like to use that parable at present."
Oh, I don't know. Onan was made to marry someone he didn't like--his brother's widow, was it? I can't remember--and to keep from siring her children he jerked off instead. Naturally, the Lord smote him.
Note that Onan's sin was wasting sperm which had a female Jew-making apparatus ready and willing to receive them.
Pike is in a different position. He had a wife but then she left him. Now he's got no field to plow, as it were, no warm cave with beckoning ova into which to send his wrigglers. Thus Yaweh can't really begrudge him his pink towel.
A while ago I tried to persuade Rustler to extend the scope of this hread to include Iraq, but he was reluctant. Then, as the Bush administrations Iraq policy disintegrated I changed my mind and concluded that for now it is a domestic policy issue (as amply demonstrated by your posts)
I really shouldn't mess around with Rustler's thread but I am reasonably sure that I act as per the intention of our Beloved Leader when I move your latest outbursts to Politics.
You can run you freaskish fundie twit, but you damn sure can't hide!
Agence France Presse
December 16, 1998 17:40 GMT
Butler rapped for ordering UN evacuation after Iraq report
BODY:
By Anne Penketh
UNITED NATIONS, Dec 16 (AFP) - The UN Security Council met in emergency session Wednesday as China, France and Russia protested a decision to evacuate UN arms inspectors from Baghdad ahead of possible airstrikes.
US and British diplomats suggested that the council meeting would not affect the decision-making process in London and Washington regarding possible military strikes against Baghdad.
They reiterated that their capitals believed they had the council's authorization to stage military strikes against Baghdad if necessary, under existing UN resolutions. Iraq narrowly avoided airstrikes last month by promising full and unconditional cooperation to the UN inspectors on November 14.
Russia and France demanded the urgent closed-door session after a negative report to the council from UN Special Commission chairman Richard Butler on Tuesday, followed by his evacuation of all 140 UN arms monitors from Baghdad overnight.
"Butler should resign immediately," a Russian diplomat told AFP before the session. The diplomat predicted that the meeting would be "very violent."
But it was not known whether Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov would in fact demand Butler's resignation during the session which was attended by the UNSCOM chairman and UN chief Kofi Annan.
Butler, an Australian diplomat, explained to reporters Wednesday that he ordered the evacuation after reporting to the council that the experts could no longer carry out their disarmament mandate because of Iraqi obstruction.
"It made logical sense therefore to pull our people out," Butler said.
Goofy gas masks, coon skin hats, muskets and all
From Associated Press
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- President Hamid Karzai survived an assassination attempt today when an Afghan security guard fired at his car as it was leaving the governor's mansion here, witnesses said.
Karzai's condition was not known, but there was no indication that he was hit. The Kandahar governor, Gul Agha Sherzai, was wounded in the attack and witnesses saw him bleeding from the neck.
Jexs is strangely silent.
You seem to have stumped him, Joe.
Thursday, September 5, 2002
Blast Rips Kabul Market
UPDATE: Car bomb rocks the center of Kabul, killing and wounding scores in the bloodiest attack in the Afghan capital since the fall of the Taliban. (Reuters)
HANOVER, Germany, Sept. 1 — Gerhard Schröder, the German chancellor, believes that the Bush administration is making a terrible mistake in planning a war against Iraq, and he is not afraid to say so.
A new war in the Middle East, he says bluntly, would put at risk all that has been gained so far in the unfinished battle against Al Qaeda
Now that remark prompted a disgustingly nativist anti-german tirade of gringo fundamentalism from the LegionZan over in the Politics thread.
Not a peep though when former Bush national security advisor and retired USAF General Brent Scowcroft said the exact thing.
Zan is one malignant little fuck.
Well let him rail and scoff til he pukes in his gas mask and chokes on his bile. 
'How can you exert pressure on someone by saying to them: Even if you accede to our demands, we will destroy you?...
Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, the president's special envoy to the Mideast, made some of his strongest comments to date opposing war on Iraq. Speaking to the Economic Club of Florida in Tallahassee, Zinni said a war to bring down Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein would have numerous undesirable side effects and should be low on the nation's list of foreign policy objectives.
``I can give you many more [priorities] before I get to that,'' Zinni said when asked if the United States should move to remove Saddam.
Zinni said the country should instead concentrate on negotiating a peace accord between Israel and the Palestinians, and on eliminating the Taliban in Afghanistan and the al-Qaida terrorist network that launched the Sept. 11 terror attacks
I adjure you by God, do not torment me
"What is your name?" He replied, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
"Send us to the swine, let us enter them."
. And the unclean spirits came out, and entered the swine; and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned in the sea.
And people saw the demoniac sitting there, clothed and in his right mind, the man who had had the legion; and they were afraid.
Copyright 1998 Deutsche Presse-Agentur
Deutsche Presse-Agentur
December 16, 1998, Wednesday, BC Cycle
17:07 Central European Time
SECTION: International News
LENGTH: 831 words
HEADLINE: CORRECTION LEADALL: U.N. experts leave Iraq in new weapons crisis Ed: UNSCOM inspectors withdrawn, not expelled
DATELINE: Baghdad/New York
BODY:
United Nations Security Council gathered for an urgent meeting on Iraq Wednesday after disarmament experts were withdrawn from the country and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein warned compatriots of new "aggression" against them.
The experts were withdrawn by UNSCOM after chief weapons inspector Richard Butler released a critical report late Tuesday detailing Iraq's lack of cooperation with the arms inspectors.
"The staff of the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) have been ordered to leave Baghdad today," a U.N. statement issued in Baghdad said.
Guess Zan stumped ole jexs eh Sgt Shultzie
"ya vol her Kommandant"
UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in 1998 in the face of an imminent US and British missile attack on Baghdad, and have since been barred from returning despite insistent UN demands.
You called me a pathetic liar for stating that Richard Bulter not Iraq ordered inspectors withdrawn
Now you want to change the subject?
Go play with your gas masks...freak
and the herd, numbering about 2000, rushed down the steep bank into the sea
Watch that last step imbecile
I have chosen this time and this place to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds and the truth is too rarely perceived - yet it is the most important topic on earth: world peace. What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women, not merely peace in our time but peace for all time... The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. John F. Kennedy
Yeah, jex - real dumb.
What about 4 years ago, when the inspectors were kicked out?
190. joezan -9/3/02 1:54:01 AM
They weren't "keicked (sic) out". Richard Butler ordered them out because of the bombing.
Now this is what I mean when I say your talents are wasted here, jex.
See - one thing you're forgetting is that all 10 of us Moties remember GWI and its aftermath very well. And any one of us could, without even trying, find a shitload of news stories such as this, this, this, this, or this, to prove what a pathetic liar you are.
Stamina will only get you so far here, dude.
You need to find a place where they'll be dazzled by your bullshit.
What IS you're name, you little puke?
What IS your name?
My good man. You're not wrong, in fact I'm with you in part of your arguments. But you are flailing, in a frenzied, distracted and irritating fashion, and it is both difficult to read and a turn-off to have to wade through.
You are capable of focused argumentation. D'you think you could stick to that for a while? - don't flip your wig everytime sidelined-Zan says something everyone else ignores, about you or on any o