Lab, I was able to get there yesterday. Let's try again.
Cool Playground
13604. seadate - 4/6/2001 12:57:58 PM
oh, and go to camera 1.
13605. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 12:58:52 PM
Link don't work...but cut/paste does.
Under major construction...
Is this your page you are developing sd?
13606. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 1:02:09 PM
Ahh...cool.
13607. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 1:03:31 PM
Very neat Sea...
13608. seadate - 4/6/2001 1:06:37 PM
Racing buddy. The structure is on top of a building and consists of aluminum frame, two sailboat masts, and lots of sailboat rigging. haha ... don' know how to build using construction materials from Home Depot
13609. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 1:14:42 PM
Is this the same guy who found a way to do Cape Horn the wrong way?
13610. seadate - 4/6/2001 1:17:00 PM
Different guy.
When 're ya splashin' the Grady?
13611. seadate - 4/6/2001 1:18:37 PM
Lab, he rounded on board an 800 foot cruise liner .... how freakin' stupid.
13612. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 1:24:33 PM
Splashed...
Last night. She's docked, fueled, polished, and just screaming for a run...the 1085's are purring.
I'll be drydocking the BayLiner for about a week. Taking her up tonight. Stem to stern tune-up for the salmon runs.
13613. seadate - 4/6/2001 1:35:53 PM
Solo adventure this weekend, Lab?
13614. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 1:52:08 PM
No. Will be having a few guests. We plan on anchoring in Punch Bowl cove the first night. This place is spectacular. The glacial cliffs shoot straight up from the water for a couple thousand feet on all sides... Throw out a few crab and shrimp pots in the early evening, and have a good feed while surrounded by raw beauty. The second day we will be moored in Telkeet Flowage...perhaps a little of the same...third day, Roaring Hole/Traitor's Cove...for more scenic soul-soothing reflections.
13615. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 1:53:03 PM
How great is that, he sez...
13616. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 1:53:41 PM
Punch Bowl, and Telkeet are part of the Misty Fiords Natl Monument btw...
13617. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 1:54:42 PM
PP
I used to have a hard time imagining what heaven was like...
13618. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 1:56:09 PM
13619. labwabbit - 4/6/2001 2:03:18 PM
The gentleman and his common-law wife who own that outfit were guest of ours last Sept when my daughter visited. We did the day-trip of Tongass Narrows the day before she left. Fine people. They have films of killer whales devouring a moose and her calf while on a journey with folks from the National Geographic.
Brutal work...tsk.
13620. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 2:07:34 PM
13621. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 2:37:05 PM
NEW BREWERS HOME
click on miller park 
13622. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 4:00:04 PM
OUTTA THE WOODS
click on photo 
13623. marjoribanks - 4/6/2001 4:03:09 PM
Mussina's performance yesterday was everything you could have wanted as a Yankee fan. Elegant, stingy, effortless. The man is actually probably the Yankee #1.
Early signal from the Bronx: beware this team. Be afraid.
13624. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 4:04:11 PM
PFttttttttttttttttttttttttt....
13625. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 4:06:05 PM
"Banks Sucks"... 
13626. marjoribanks - 4/6/2001 4:07:19 PM
Giving me the bird, eh Prof?
Nice one.
13627. Fielding - 4/6/2001 4:08:33 PM
How about those Mets!
13628. PsychProf - 4/6/2001 4:11:05 PM
Great day for golf... 
eat day for golf...
13629. Greystoke - 4/6/2001 6:00:17 PM
PP
Correct! Bob Feller pitched a no-no on the first day in 1940.
13630. theDiva - 4/6/2001 7:50:45 PM
damn, but I'm happy it's baseball season again.
13631. Stumbo - 4/7/2001 5:38:24 PM
Tiger's gonna win this one by default. Everybody else is self-destructing.
13632. Stumbo - 4/7/2001 6:15:37 PM
Mickelson/Woods final pairing, tomorrow. Gosh darnit, this is gonna be fun.
13633. MsIvoryTower - 4/7/2001 7:21:34 PM
Stumbo
I watched the round today, and was gripped by the drama. Tiger made his move just as others began self-destructing. I almost felt sorry for Cabrera (sp?), but he just fell apart after the double bogie on the 15th. DeMarco also started wobbling on the last 5 holes.
The pairing tommorow should be some grand entertainment: Woods and Mickelson; DeMarco and Calcavecchia; Duval and Els.
I swear it's almost spooky to watch Woods when he's on the hunt. He looks so damn focused his eyes almost glaze over.
13634. MsIvoryTower - 4/7/2001 7:40:51 PM
and that's tomorrow....
sheesh
13635. Stumbo - 4/7/2001 7:50:41 PM
MsIT:
Yes, Cabrera's 7 was painful to watch. And even I could've bested Mickelson's flop shot on, uh, 14 or 15.
Yes, Tiger is sporting that hired-assassin look, which usually bodes ill for the rest of the field. Still, anything can happen, tomorrow.
Colour me glued to my TV set.
13636. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 11:00:16 AM
Had the chance to schmooze with Sandy Alderson(VP Major League Baseball) yesterday....he described the efforts both Management and Umpires devoted to the change in the strike zone...clearly a coordinated program. Should be an interesting adjustment to monitor...
13637. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 11:07:16 AM
CONGRATS TO BOSTON COLLEGE
click on photo 
13638. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 11:10:39 AM
HIGH NOON TODAY
click on photo 
13639. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 11:12:57 AM
DEVILS AGAIN?
click on photo 
13640. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 11:16:33 AM
COORS LIGHT BASEBALL
click on photo 
13641. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 11:47:53 AM
FIGHTING STYLE(HANDS DOWN) OF HAMED IS "MACHODUMB"
click on photo 
13642. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 12:20:48 PM
"121st PUTZES SUCK EGGS AND SO DOES BANKS"
13643. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 12:41:30 PM
DINGERS BREWIN
click on photo
13644. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 12:45:14 PM
Chris DiMarco "Swing Dances"... 
13645. Stumbo - 4/8/2001 12:57:08 PM
My rough estimate...
Woods: even
Mickelson: 5-1
Els: 12-1
Duval, Calcavecchia, DiMarco: 25-1
Cabrera, Olazabal, Janzen: 50-1
Field: 10-1
13646. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 1:02:37 PM
"SENILE STUMBO STUMBLES"
13647. PsychProf - 4/8/2001 1:09:56 PM
IS THIS HOW YA SPINBOWL, SPUNK?
click on photo 
13648. Stumbo - 4/8/2001 1:24:28 PM
You're right, PP, the profit margin is way too small. Make that 8-1 for the field.
13649. MsIvoryTower - 4/8/2001 7:13:24 PM
Excellent golf.
Woods wins by staying steady, not self-destructing like his rivals, and pulling out a final birdie on the 18th to give himself a comfortable 2 stroke leading win.
He now holds all four major championships simultaneously, an heretofore unaccomplished feat. They're calling it the Tiger Slam because technically, it's not the Grand Slam, but it's got to be sweet all the same.
13650. MsIvoryTower - 4/8/2001 7:14:19 PM
Toys.
13651. MsIvoryTower - 4/8/2001 7:26:23 PM
I stand corrected, I just checked the history stats and Bobby Jones pulled off a Grand Slam in 1930.
13652. MsIvoryTower - 4/8/2001 7:26:27 PM
I stand corrected, I just checked the history stats and Bobby Jones pulled off a Grand Slam in 1930.
13653. dusty - 4/8/2001 7:47:54 PM
??
They've been talking about how this is the first time ever. They don't have a modern era in golf, do they?
13654. dusty - 4/8/2001 7:51:56 PM
From ESPN:
The only Grand Slam in golf not up for debate is the one that belongs to Bobby Jones, who won the U.S. Open, U.S. Amateur, British Open and British Amateur in 1930.
Tiger is the only one to hold the four current majors.
13655. dusty - 4/8/2001 7:54:48 PM
Interestingly, if Mickelson had made his very makable putt on 18, he would have been the first player ever to have all four rounds (in the Masters) in the 60's, yet he still wouldn't have won!
13656. Stumbo - 4/8/2001 8:09:02 PM
Yes -- Jones won the 4 biggest tournaments of his day, but several of that era's best players were barred from 2 of those 4 tournaments. It was in one calendar year, however.
13657. Stumbo - 4/8/2001 8:12:42 PM
I loved Tiger's finishing birdie, BTW, when all he needed to win was a 2-putt par.
Why merely triumph, when you can really rub it in?
13658. Stumbo - 4/8/2001 8:19:50 PM
All in all -- you had the current #1, the current #2, and the previous #1, all in contention until almost the very end. Most-entertaining Masters in at least a decade, IMHO.
13659. Jon Ferguson - 4/8/2001 8:32:58 PM
Woods did self-destruct, 3-putting from 8 or 9 feet on 15. Unfortunately, his challengers self-destructed more.
I'm sure it made Duval feel better about his miss on 18 (which looked like it cost him a tie) to see Tiger birdie 18 (which made Duval's miss irrelevant). That's why I'm glad Tiger made the putt.
13660. Jon Ferguson - 4/8/2001 8:34:52 PM
In spite of the 'drama' I found the whole thing rather boring. Sports is so silly. Makes you wonder why people get so worked up about it.
13661. MsIvoryTower - 4/8/2001 9:53:58 PM
Self destructing would have been if he'd bogied the 15th, holding one's own is not self-destucting. However, I'll admit he skirted the edge of disaster on that hole.
Dusty,
I don't consider the Jone's Grand Slam to be comparable for the reasons Stumbo identified. Wood's feat was clearly more difficult to accomplish, even if it wasn't in the same year.
I look for him to capture at least a Triple Crown over the next several months, and perhaps he'll have that legitimate Grand Slam after all.
The man is poetry on the golf course.
What was most painful to watch was Duval's inability to hold it together on the last 5 holes. After pulling off a stunning 5 under in the first half of the game, he just kind of lost it after the 12th hole. He could have been in a play off had he simply just kept his streak going on the last few holes.
He declined to be interviewed after he came off the 18th hole, I imagine it was very tough for him to deal with his closing performance.
13662. Stumbo - 4/8/2001 9:58:46 PM
JF: 13663. Jon Ferguson - 4/8/2001 11:08:27 PM Stumbo 13664. MsIvoryTower - 4/8/2001 11:30:27 PM The first putt on the 15th was from about 30 feet, the second from around 9, and the third went in. He had a chance for an eagle on that hole, and ended up with par. That's why it was a disappointment. 13665. Jon Ferguson - 4/8/2001 11:46:58 PM MSIT 13666. Jon Ferguson - 4/8/2001 11:51:26 PM Unfortunately, although I've read over half a dozen articles to try to find out one way or the other about the length of the eagle putt, they all refer to the '3 foot birdie putt' on 15 that he missed but none refer to how long the eagle putt was. 13667. MsIvoryTower - 4/9/2001 12:47:26 AM Yes, I just checked the Masters site and it was a 3 foot birdie putt. I wonder if I'm thinking of a different hole..... 13668. MsIvoryTower - 4/9/2001 12:49:22 AM By the way, given your disdain for golf, I wonder how you can evaluate what is or isn't a makable putt? 13669. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 6:40:16 AM 13670. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 6:42:59 AM Fun watching Phil attack the world... 13671. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 6:45:42 AM 13672. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 6:47:27 AM 13673. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 7:21:49 AM 13674. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 7:27:37 AM 13675. Dusty - 4/9/2001 8:55:43 AM MsIT and Jon 13676. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 9:40:49 AM Dusty...the Sportsbar has missed your posts... 13677. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 9:41:20 AM 13678. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 10:16:05 AM
"Woods did self-destruct, 3-putting from 8 or 9 feet on 15."
Actually, I think it was from 30 feet or so.
At any rate, would you be up for a round at Champlain, first week in July? (Or any other course in the area, if you provide the transportation from downtown.)
If so, drop me a line.
No, it was nowhere near 30 feet. 15 tops, probably less.
Thanks for the offer, but I don't golf. I'd be happy to grab a beer with you sometime you're in town, though.
You are incorrect. Likely so on the first putt, absolutely so on the second.
The first putt is in dispute. I recall that it was definitely a very makeable putt and I would never consider a 30 foot putt at Augusta very makeable (other than through luck.) I also wouldn't consider running a 30 foot putt 3 feet by the hole to be all that bad, but the commentator was quite shocked that Woods left himself that much.
The second putt was from less than 4 feet. It was a shock when Woods missed it. That's why it was a disappointment.
I don't think I'm wrong on the eagle putt, although it could have been within 25 feet.
I'm again amused at your "seeming" expertise about a game you don't play. Is this like the priest who gives advice about sex to couples?
FOUREVER THE BEST
click on photo 
63% STRIKES
click on rick ankiel 
PEDROED
click on photo 
PRETENDERS OR CONTENDERS?
click on david duval 
TOO SOON WILLIE
click on willie stargell 
My recollection is that the eagle putt was 25 feet. I remember them saying that it was a "makable" putt, and I recall wondering whether the term "makable" applied to a 25 foot putt applied to everyone, or whether it was "makable" for Woods. 
POPS OF MY MEMORY 
13679. marjoribanks - 4/9/2001 11:26:07 AM
13680. JudithAtHome - 4/9/2001 11:50:39 AM
Troy Aikman is retiring from football...news conference at 2pm, CST...well, local one, anyhow.
I'm so glad to hear this. I dreaded him continuing to play and receiving more concussions. He's a smart business man...he should stay that way.
13681. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 2:40:48 PM
TIME TO MOVE ON
click on troy aikman 
13682. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 2:57:34 PM
Banning, suspension, deleting...doe anyonne want to talk sports or have a beer?
13683. seadate - 4/9/2001 3:54:26 PM
I'll take a cool brew, Prof.
13684. seadate - 4/9/2001 3:55:03 PM
Peacemakers misunderstood, eh.
13685. PsychProf - 4/9/2001 4:39:42 PM
Seadate...coming up...real life gets in the way of my bartendin sometimes.
13686. Stumbo - 4/10/2001 12:13:41 AM
... Don't look now, but my good ol' Expos have the best record in baseball (6-1). I don't think that's happened since the end of the ill-fated '94 season.
I know it won't last, but I'm enjoying it while I can.
(Amusingly enough, the Jays have the second-best record -- though I'd rather they had the worst.)
13687. Dusty - 4/10/2001 4:13:58 AM
So can Nomo pitch another no-no?
13688. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 10:07:25 AM
I HOPE NOT
click on photo 
13689. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 10:08:52 AM
Dusty...hope springs stronger than logic...Stumbo...Expo's and Jays look tough.
13690. Rivendell - 4/10/2001 11:55:55 AM
Willie Stargell was a gentleman and a model competitor. He was the heart of the fam-i-ly Pirates.
Too soon to say if the Expos are tough. They've played what? Two teams? Three? Tough to say who is tough just yet. Still wouldn't bet on them over the Mutts or even for a wild card.
But speaking of tough... losses. Heh, heh, heh. The Rockies losing on a wild pitch/passed ball was too bad. I feel their pain.
Ankiel looked tough against the Big Unit on Sunday. Beautiful day at home... BBQ on the grill... game on the tube...
Aikman is showing sense and Jordan is showing, what? I don't know.
13691. Rivendell - 4/10/2001 12:42:28 PM
Posada and Delgado may indeed have big years.
Albert Pujols may have a big year too.
13692. Wombat - 4/10/2001 12:47:12 PM
The Expos usually impress early and everyone thinks Felipe Alou is a genius, etc., etc. Then July arrives and Guerrero's batting average goes from .450 to.350, the pitching peters out, and management is unable/unwilling to shell out for reinforcements. Then, depending on which player is closest to free agency, they trade him.
Toronto has no pitching.
13693. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 12:52:53 PM
Wombat...the Expos sure have(have had) some fine young talent over the years...so Riv, which team is the one you root for...
13694. Rivendell - 4/10/2001 1:02:02 PM
PP,
The Red Sox, of course.
Hey, I gotta enjoy it now. Looks like the reports on Big Mac this spring were less than realistic. I must admit, they fooled me.
13695. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 1:12:46 PM
For Nomo to consider...
1938 06/16 NL CIN @BRO W 6-0 9 Johnny Vander Meer
(2nd no-hitter, back-to-back)
1938 06/12 NL CIN BOS W 3-0 9 Johnny Vander Meer
13696. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 1:16:01 PM
Johnny celebrates... 
13697. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 1:18:56 PM
"Dutch Pussy threw like a girl"
13698. labwabbit - 4/10/2001 2:20:59 PM
Sad about Mr. Stargell...where have all the heroes gone?
-half-baked
13699. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 3:49:32 PM
GOOD LUCK TO MILT WAGNER'S KID
click on photo 
13700. PsychProf - 4/10/2001 4:01:20 PM
"Where have all the heros gone"...
NORTH TO ALASKA
Johnny Horton
North to Alaska!
Go north, the rush is on
North to Alaska!
Go north, the rush is on
Big Sam left Seattle in the year of ninety-two
With George Pratt, his partner, and brother Billy too
They crossed the Yukon river and found the bonanza gold
Below that old white mountain
Just a little southeast of Nome
Sam crossed the Majestic mountains to the valleys far below
He talked to his team of huskies
As he mushed them thru the snow
With the northern lights a runnin' wild
In the land of the midnight sun
Yes Sam McCord was a mighty man
In the year of nineteen-one
Where the river is windin' big nuggets they're findin'
North to Alaska go north the rush is on
13701. labwabbit - 4/10/2001 5:29:11 PM
Indeed PP...but would I ever be capable to objectively disagree?
Hell of a journey. Three of the most perfect days weatherwise....again. My biz-partner says I'm one of the most "shitty-lucky" guy he's ever seen. I tell all that it's good clean living.
(Between you and me it feels more like I've cheated death once again...haha)
13702. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 6:51:19 AM
Like a cat he is.
13703. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 6:59:06 AM
HIDEOUS NOMO
click on photo 
13704. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 7:02:43 AM
13705. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 7:08:22 AM
"PUT A LID ON IT"...RICHARD
click on photo 
13706. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 7:34:06 AM
13707. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 11:11:25 AM
Too early to tell, of course, but I'm quite taken with this Coleman guy who was a throw-in in the Drew Henson trade. He's impressed at bat, in the field and on the bases since replacing Bernie Williams (who is in PR tending to his ailing father).
He's also kind of a converted football player and was a Sux reject before knocking around in the minors and being traded to the Yankees. Anyway, he has a great attitude as evidenced by post-game interviews yesterday and is an ebullient, aggressive player with multiple skills.
Reminds me a lot of Tim Raines, both in terms of skills and body type. Could be another great great pick-up for the already talent-rich Yankees.
13708. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 11:13:22 AM
Got to feel bad for the Royals, btw. They play the Yankees (I think) just six times all this half of the season and all those games have come this early and they've been severely outclassed. Mussina was fantastic most of the game yesterday, and when he did falter the relief was spotless.
Rivera has pitched thrice this year and given up zero hits.
Memo to AL: be afraid.
13709. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 11:14:28 AM
Great story about DaJuan Wagner above, PP. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play fairly soon. Have to love impact players at the PG position.
13710. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 2:18:48 PM
DOPED UP
click on greg strock 
13711. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 2:23:51 PM
13712. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 3:13:33 PM
DON'T CALL US
click on jose canseco 
13713. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 3:16:52 PM
"Guy looks like somethin hit em in the head"
13714. labwabbit - 4/11/2001 9:15:26 PM
That line is absolutely flat not funny until you take a gander on the beak of that bird....excellent.
13715. PsychProf - 4/12/2001 9:53:28 AM
BACK IN THE SADDLE
click on photo 
13716. PsychProf - 4/12/2001 10:06:45 AM
HOW MANY LIVES HAS THIS GUY GOT?
click on photo 
13717. PsychProf - 4/12/2001 10:09:35 AM
NO TICKET WAS A GOOD TICKET
click on photo 
13718. labwabbit - 4/12/2001 1:17:00 PM
#13717
It boggles the mind. Human beings, individually capable of reason, grow progressively stupid in proportion to the increase in the collective number.
If two people can reason and you add a third should it not equal better reasoning. Why is it that this equation does not hold true the more intelligence is added. Why does this not hold true when the group gets larger. Instead, the larger the group the more noticeably absent the intellect. Intellect diminished to less than the sum of any individual in each individual that is less than the individual started with in the first place.
Majority rule becomes a scary thing.
[Supports my contention to the effect cities have on people too]
What the f*** is wrong with this picture?
13719. labwabbit - 4/12/2001 1:18:32 PM
Also supports why someone like Bush can be elected to the highest office in the land. [Perhaps this should be moved to polio-tics]
13720. PsychProf - 4/12/2001 1:36:01 PM
Naw...sportstalk sometimes degenerates from its lofty standard to a discussion of politics...
13721. labwabbit - 4/12/2001 1:39:44 PM
Not even to the bottom of my first swill yet either...
13722. PsychProf - 4/12/2001 1:50:58 PM
Lab...looks to me as if you need another one... 
13723. PsychProf - 4/12/2001 2:26:06 PM
PP'S SPORTSBAR HAS A LARGE INVENTORY
click on image 
13724. labwabbit - 4/12/2001 5:56:10 PM
END THE STRIKE!
I say give the employees their beer-breaks, (and merit-kegs), back.
Why the hell else would anybody want to work in a brewery?
13725. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 10:54:57 AM
GO METS
click on photo 
13726. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 11:18:03 AM
13727. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:06:31 PM
13728. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:13:05 PM
Where's the parrot?
Ok...what the heck did you do with th' parrot?
13729. ycmeehan - 4/13/2001 1:15:05 PM
That's right. PP. Did the opposition forced you to ban the parrot?
13730. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:15:09 PM
He was done in by peer pressure.
13731. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:17:40 PM
Oh ya...
a happy little daisy field...laadeee daaa laaadee daaa.
Since when did this place turn into a girly Hallmark display.
13732. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:18:17 PM
That's right. PP. Did the opposition forced you to ban the parrot
Ya...all two of them.
13733. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:18:33 PM
That's where the Parrot is.
13734. ycmeehan - 4/13/2001 1:19:10 PM
You mean that the two who most complained had that much power?
13735. ycmeehan - 4/13/2001 1:20:12 PM
That explains many stange happenings lately on the Mote.
13736. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:22:31 PM
Not power...it's just hard for me to put stuff up if it's pissing people off. Perhaps we'll give the Parrot some time off out of respect for their wishes.
13737. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:23:45 PM
I might point out that the Parrot is linked to a page where anybody can use him.
13738. ycmeehan - 4/13/2001 1:24:04 PM
Strane=strange. I am so upset, lab.
13739. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:26:34 PM
yc
Ya..nobody could say "baked fucking alaskan" better that that boid.
13740. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:27:06 PM
YC...I have been here for about 5 years now, and the place has never been less friendly. You have to watch what you post, where you post it, and who approves of your posting. Other than that, you are free to do what you want...unless it's a parrot.
13741. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:30:21 PM
...damned conformist.
13742. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:32:36 PM
It's terminal Lab...but maybe I can work on it.
13743. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:36:45 PM
heh-heh.
You can beat this...I know you can.
I'll help get you over this...
Repeat after me:
I am a man
But I can change
If I have to
I guess....
13744. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 1:42:42 PM
PP
Did you get the email I sent about the bird who caught one high and away?
13745. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:43:39 PM
GO SOX
click on photo 
13746. PsychProf - 4/13/2001 1:45:26 PM
Lab...yes. It is incredible. Earlier I had tried to link the avi.file here, but I was unable to do that.
13747. ycmeehan - 4/13/2001 1:51:20 PM
You are not aggressively self-important and selfish, PP, and you have self-awareness so maybe the parrot will be back.
13748. labwabbit - 4/13/2001 6:24:30 PM
What was the call on that pitch?
I suppose there are worse ways to leave this mortal coil...probably was thinking about the tail feathers of the other bird he seemed to be chasing...(sex...sex...sex..blam! number's up pal.)
13749. jexster - 4/14/2001 6:28:52 PM
No. 497
13750. PsychProf - 4/15/2001 10:17:04 AM
toys
13751. PsychProf - 4/15/2001 10:19:42 AM
HE'S THE REAL THING
click on alphonso soriano 
13752. PsychProf - 4/15/2001 10:41:46 AM
Best of this holiday for all...
The Big Geek
13753. wabbit - 4/15/2001 10:52:44 AM
back atcha, BG!
13754. PsychProf - 4/15/2001 11:50:22 AM
We celebrated Easter yesterday in Manhattan with my youngest son... a trip to Soho and it's throng of shops, people and art. A taxi took us to downtown to the Financial District, where we sat in a plush conference room and watched the sun set on the Hudson while the banker/son caught up on his work. A "car" then dropped us off for dinner in Union Square, a place alive with the pulse of human diversity. BTW, does anyone know the history of the large clock on the New Jersey side of the Hudson?
13755. PsychProf - 4/16/2001 7:08:19 AM
ROUND ONE TO THE SOX
click on photo 
13756. PsychProf - 4/16/2001 7:10:33 AM
13757. Dusty - 4/16/2001 7:24:42 AM
Can't ask for much more from the Sox-Yankees battles so far; three one in games, some settled in ninth or later.
13758. PsychProf - 4/16/2001 9:27:09 AM
TWINS PEAK
click on photo 
13759. labwabbit - 4/16/2001 11:59:08 AM
A lady was walking down the street to work and she saw a parrot on a perch in front of a pet store. The parrot said to her, "Hey lady, you are really ugly." A the lady was furious! She stormed past the store to her work. On the way home she saw the same parrot and it said to her,
"Hey lady, you are really ugly." She was incredibly ticked now.
The next day the same parrot again said to her, "Hey lady, you are really ugly." The lady was so ticked that she went into the store and said that she would sue the store and to get rid of the bird if they didn't do something about it. The store manager apologized profusely and promised he would make sure the parrot didn't say it again. When the lady walked past the store that day after work the parrot called to her, "Hey lady." She paused and said, "Yes?" And the bird replied, "You know."
13760. labwabbit - 4/16/2001 12:00:35 PM
Hey Sox...Too bad that wasn't a playoff series of some kind. Didn't the sox win the regular season series last year from the skanks?
13761. seadate - 4/16/2001 12:15:52 PM
Stirrin' the pot is the Baked One.
13762. labwabbit - 4/16/2001 12:39:07 PM
Ha! seadate.
Ref Sox) Hard to stir this pot as I've been stuck to its overheated bottom for many years.
(Ref parrot) Just trying slowly, diligently, to ease an old friend out of the paralyzing clutches of conformity.
13763. labwabbit - 4/16/2001 1:10:52 PM
PP #13754
Sounds like a great weekend.
Miss my son..
13764. PsychProf - 4/16/2001 2:12:15 PM
NOT TODAY MIKE
click on photo 
13765. Rivendell - 4/16/2001 3:40:39 PM
PP,
Glad to see the Sox getting the better of the intradivision rivalry. The 'stros served notice on the Cards over the weekend. They are back and we've got a fight on our hands.
I like the unbalanced schedule. Best team will be the last one standing.
13766. mgleason - 4/16/2001 6:57:06 PM
13767. jexster - 4/16/2001 7:51:23 PM
Today's venture into the wacky world of the Mote's narcissist-in-residence leads me to wondering (and I apologize for the off topic post Psych though we might be able to stretch Ace bashing into a sport category)
If Ace were a Meyers-Briggs personality type, what would he be?
My question is not what personality type Ace is but rather, do the Jungian archetypes really apply or even make much sense in the bizzare world of bedlam?
13768. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 9:04:54 AM
Maria...thanks. I have received other such parrot/gifs by e-mail, so if I want I have some ammo in stock...apparently there is considerable support for the elimination of the Parrot Police and their despicable tactics.
13769. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 9:08:20 AM
Thanks to a lurker here at the SportsBar for the following account of the "Clock" on the Hudson across from the World Financial Center...
"For more than 70 years, the Colgate Clock has kept time on the Jersey City riverfront across from lower Manhattan. The clock, installed on a Colgate-Palmolive
factory rooftop in 1924, was moved to ground level at the edge of the Hudson River when the cosmetics giant closed its manufacturing plant in Jersey City in 1989.
The company plans to keep the clock as part of a waterfront redevelopment project.
The clock was built with an octagonal face to celebrate a popular Colgate product called Octagon Soap. The largest timepiece in the world for many years, it is so big
and so brightly lighted at night that it can easily be seen from miles away, up and down the river."
13770. diogenes - 4/17/2001 9:21:24 AM
Jexster,
Jungian archetypes apply to everyone. You just have to look.
13771. diogenes - 4/17/2001 9:25:44 AM
Red Sox fans - enjoy it while you can. You might even try chanting "The curse only applied to the twentieth century." It won't work.
13772. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 9:43:01 AM
Bout time you came in for a brew Diogenes.
13773. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 9:48:33 AM
LIKE THE FANS WOULD SAY NO TO HIS CONTRACT
click on photo 
13774. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 9:52:12 AM
SORRY JOHN
click on jack elway 
13775. Toenails - 4/17/2001 9:52:16 AM
Baseball's unbalanced schedule is going to be a disaster for some clubs. The Braves are a good example: They will be attractive for the numerous encounters with the Mets, but most of the rest of the time, they're going to be playing
the Marlins, Phillies and Expos.
If there's anything duller than watching the Marlins and Phillies, I don't know what it is, and the Expos are only marginally more interesting, and they are awful to watch when they're playing at home before their 3500 displaced hockey enthusiasts.
Essentially, any MLB division with fewer than three strong clubs out of five is going to be dullsville.
13776. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 9:55:22 AM
Nails...are you a Blue Jays fan?
13777. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 10:20:14 AM
FOR MY LURKER FRIEND SUSAN
click on photo 
13778. Rivendell - 4/17/2001 12:07:26 PM
The unbalanced schedule will be bad for the Braves?
good
13779. Toenails - 4/17/2001 12:09:39 PM
No, PP, I'm an Orioles' fan. Before that, the St. Louis Browns.
13780. Rivendell - 4/17/2001 12:20:36 PM
Nails,
If the schedule were balanced, then good teams would play bad teams in the other divisions as often, and possibly more often, than they will bad teams in their own division this year.
Using your Braves example, if they played fewer games against the Marlins, Phillies and Expos then they could conceivably play more games against the Padres, the Pirates, the Brewers, the Reds, the (typical) Cubs...
I can't see the difference.
And God knows I don't want to see the Cards playing the Expos more. So there's that consideration too.
13781. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 12:44:13 PM
Riv lves the braves...Toenails...long live Johnny Groth...
13782. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 12:46:30 PM
loves too...
13783. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 12:47:08 PM
I love the nickname "NAILS"...
13784. Rivendell - 4/17/2001 12:55:15 PM
We lves to please.
13785. Toenails - 4/17/2001 2:50:05 PM
"if they played fewer games against the Marlins, Phillies and Expos then they could conceivably play more games against the Padres, the Pirates, the Brewers, the Reds, the (typical) Cubs..."
Rivendell: I guess I just prefer my mediocrity to be as varied as possible.
13786. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 3:18:35 PM
Goooooooooooooo
S-O-X ?
13787. Rivendell - 4/17/2001 3:57:27 PM
...Red Sox?
...fuck yourself?
Lost your binky?
13788. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 4:06:18 PM
Riv
Not that, in your case I would lean toward the second option...alas the white space tells the story.
13789. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 4:08:28 PM
btw..I lost my binky about the age of 15.
13790. Rivendell - 4/17/2001 4:09:36 PM
LW,
Oh now... and after all I've done for you.
(I never think to check for white letters - too subtle for me.)
13791. Rivendell - 4/17/2001 4:11:19 PM
Ecstasy will do that to ya I hear.
13792. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:16:09 PM
Nails...I have a cyberfriend named Zook...if he ever visits the SportsBar I will introduce you. He defines the word interesting.
13793. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:16:35 PM
Bring back 19 RBI...
13794. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:17:26 PM
Lab...I hope somebody was with ya when you lost yer binky.
13795. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:18:15 PM
Four in a row is posting for the cycle.
13796. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 4:24:58 PM
Riv
That's ok..us (not entirely closeted)RS fans start developing a defensive mean-streak very early in the season.
PP
Hahaha...I remember I wasn't.
I even remember the page number.
13797. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:25:57 PM
Prolly a Moose in Acadia.
13798. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 4:30:19 PM
Didn't appear like that at the time...
13799. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:34:54 PM
Lab...did you live in Maine at this "time"?
13800. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 4:38:11 PM
Yep...lived in Maine, (partaking of service), all my life until recent years.
...should be suspicious of why you ask though.
13801. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:38:55 PM
hahaha...just nosey.
13802. seadate - 4/17/2001 4:40:39 PM
Maybe Lab's imaginary friend left with his binky. That would explain Lab's exploring throughout the frozen north ..he's looking for his binky!
13803. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 4:43:54 PM
I'm off to class with a smile...imagine how many Binkies there are, just laying around...
13804. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 4:45:45 PM
...thought I found it a cuppla times...but it was simply a case of mistaken identity...
13805. PelleNilsson - 4/18/2001 4:03:30 AM
PP
A question for you in Technical.
13806. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:05:31 AM
500 AND COUNTING
click on photo 
13807. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:09:48 AM
HUMAN WRECKING MACHINE
click on scott stevens 
13808. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:14:21 AM
13809. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:17:28 AM
BLUE JAYS STEAL ONE
click on jose cruz 
13810. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:18:59 AM
Raul Mondesi steals home in Blue jays victory... 
13811. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:19:47 AM
Good morning MoteHeads...
13812. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 7:27:40 AM
13813. ycmeehan - 4/18/2001 7:43:23 AM
PP,
Please, if you can, post a robin for me in the Mote cafe. No one could object to a lone one now, you think?
13814. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 10:07:48 AM
YC...done.
13815. jexster - 4/18/2001 11:35:56 AM
13816. jexster - 4/18/2001 11:37:10 AM
That shot, No. 500, landed in the middle of McCovey Cove!
13817. labwabbit - 4/18/2001 12:11:36 PM
SOX! 10-oh. Wish they were tearing like this with 20 left to play in the season.
I was always considered impartial when it came to the Rangers...but does it ever feel good now to watch them gets stomped....even better by Seattle. (Although I have no idea why)
13818. Dusty - 4/18/2001 1:28:22 PM
Can you believe?
The Red Sox have given up only 28 runs in 14 games. The next best team (Cubs) has given up 43 (in fewer games.)
Who would ever guess that the Red Sox would not only be leading this category, but by a wide margin.
Guess I'd better enjoy it while it lasts.
13819. PsychProf - 4/18/2001 1:29:43 PM
What frustrates me is that is happens when Diva is on hiatus.
13820. labwabbit - 4/18/2001 1:55:25 PM
Dusty
Where do you hail from lad?
13821. Dusty - 4/18/2001 2:34:24 PM
labwabbit
Now? or orginally?
From ME to MD.
Just noticed that I have only moved one letter.
13822. Dusty - 4/18/2001 2:37:02 PM
As a ME native, I have to be a Red Sox fan.
The Orioles aren't making it easy for me to switch.
13823. labwabbit - 4/18/2001 2:40:52 PM
Ha!
A fellow Main-ah.
You probably have just as much affinity to Baltimore O's as I do to the Seattle M's given we carry the scars of many past hopes for Red Sox redemtion. Not that I figured it would but it didn't help me to move 4000 miles away either.
13824. jexster - 4/19/2001 12:34:40 PM
We hate to break this to you, Barry old chum, but the pressure is back on.
Thought you could exhale after hitting your 500th homer Tuesday night, did you? You can't, you know.
After chasing the likes of Willie McCovey, Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the last few weeks, Barry Bonds is now gunning for Dale Long, Don Mattingly and Ken Griffey Jr. They share the major-league record for homering in consecutive games, with eight, and Bonds is just two short after another important blow.
Not 24 hours after he beat the Dodgers with his 500th homer, he beat them again with his 501st last night.
Go GIANTS!
13825. PsychProf - 4/19/2001 12:57:48 PM
BACK IN THE SADDLE
click on doug collins 
13826. PsychProf - 4/19/2001 1:43:15 PM
PP's Early Season Update for The Red Sox
Starting Pitching
Superstition prohibits review.
Relief pitching-- Arrojo and Beck are surprises to some. Lowe has been squeezed by umps, and Garces still beats everyone to the post game spread, pitch or not.
Catcher-- Varitek now has craters in his swing, not holes. BTW...his name is from the Old Croation, meaning "meat with eyes"
Third base--Hillenbrand may be first and only player to break JoeD's consecutive hit record and be sent down in the same year. Seems to fall down a lot.
SS-- No more Nomar is a problem...Lansing and Grebeck have the range of a wounded prostrate elephant. Grebeck is thrown nothing but fast balls down the middle of the plate, which he fouls off with impressive consistency.
Second base-- Offerman gets round of applause from fans after smallest of normal movements. Stone hands are well matched by arm that produces random destination for baseball.
First base-- Daubach benefits greatly from "he's not so bad" label. Has improved smile this year.
DH-- Bichette... All League Eater who will see more AB's when Ramirez returns to RF. Wants to hit home run on every pitch.
DH-- Ramirez... Real Thing... Also...All League at chewing. Wad in mouth has to be weighed and x-rayed at major airports for contents.
RF-- Nixon has yet to show he does anything particularly well, but is from Wilmington NC and has horse nickname so jury is still out
CF-- Everett... Good athlete with disposition of a spoiled and overtired 4 year old.
LF-- O'Leary... Able to be a completely different hitter on each new pitch.
13827. seadate - 4/19/2001 2:52:29 PM
Series bound.
13828. PsychProf - 4/19/2001 3:34:51 PM
THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD
click on barry switzer 
13829. labwabbit - 4/19/2001 4:20:31 PM
*silence*
*stunned silence*
...only 147 to go....
13830. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 6:51:33 AM
Lab...enjoy yer Maine trip. You know where I am if you get to go south.
13831. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 6:53:37 AM
TOUGH CLUB
click on photo 
13832. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 6:56:44 AM
13 K'S, NO WALKS
click on photo 
13833. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:07:11 AM
Golf can be frustrating... 
13834. msgreer - 4/20/2001 7:09:47 AM
Well, I was at the Red Sox game last night. I was not the most popular fan as I jumped up and down with glee as my team buried the DRay's but what a nice way to lose my voice.
13835. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:12:00 AM
MSG...what a fine way to spend an evening.
13836. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:15:01 AM
13837. msgreer - 4/20/2001 7:17:04 AM
Prof
It was a ball. I had such a great time. A girlfriend got me two tickets for the game as a birthday present. Of course my a** is dragging this morning as I get ready for work.
13838. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:21:00 AM
MSG...this on last year's UMICH football hero...
TASTE OF LIFE
click on drew henson 
13839. msgreer - 4/20/2001 7:25:49 AM
Yea yea yea. That's what he gets for signing with the Yankees and leaving UofM his senior year.
13840. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:31:24 AM
Two strikes against him, no doubt. Actually, he will complete his education at that fine institution, and he likes baseball better than football. Too much pressure trying to excel at both, I understand.
13841. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:32:19 AM
BTW, good morning Moteheads...
Yours Truly,
Walt Pitulski
13842. msgreer - 4/20/2001 7:38:31 AM
So he is getting his degree? Didn't know that. Thanks. But he still left UofM football.
Having said that, I think UoM will do fine this year. Jessussss, it's April and I'm into football.
13843. PsychProf - 4/20/2001 7:40:24 AM
MSG...he is best friends with one of my son's former teammates, so I get the lowdown here.
13844. msgreer - 4/20/2001 7:53:00 AM
Well, I have mixed feelings about Drew. Leaving UofM for the Yankees. How about the Red Sox? I could have lived with that. Have a nice one, PP.
13845. msgreer - 4/20/2001 7:53:55 AM
PP
btw, any Drew gossip you have feel free to pass on. On my way out the door.
13846. labwabbit - 4/20/2001 11:56:11 AM
rollin'...rollin'...rollin'
keep those doggies rollin'
Rawhiiiiide....*snap*
13847. labwabbit - 4/20/2001 11:56:53 AM
G'Morn PP...or just about noon there I suppose.
13848. PsychProf - 4/23/2001 7:41:29 AM
LOWE POINT
click on photo 
13849. PsychProf - 4/23/2001 9:50:16 AM
TWINS TOWER
click on david ortiz 
13850. marjoribanks - 4/23/2001 10:28:50 AM
Yesterday's Yankee win was good for a team that has been unaccountably struggling in the areas supposed to be its strength. No one expects Mussina and Jeter to fail at pitching and fileding on a regular basis, so it's good to get these kinds of games in early. Hell it's only April.
Three unrelated notes:
Delgado is batting literally at another level right now. Honestly, I cannot remember a more complete hitter, with as much ability to do damage, at any point in watching baseball religiously for 20 years. For my money, he's the best hitter I've ever seen, almost a lock for MVP even though it's this early.
Manny Ramirez is already giving me heart attacks. Lord help the rest of the division if he's going to continue at the same pace at which he's wrecking Yankee pitching. Great pick-up for the Sux. That team seems juiced now in a way it simply hasn't been in decades. If Garciaparra were healthy, they'd have to be favorites to knock the Yanks off.
Finally, I caught several at-bats by Pujols yesterday. What a great rookie! His attitude at the plate just belies the fact that he's so young. He looks like he's going to be a perennial all-star.
All in all, this early baseball season demonstrates that the talent level (at least at the plate) is higher than it has ever been. Great stuff for baseball fans.
13851. PsychProf - 4/23/2001 12:52:10 PM
WARDING OFF PUBLIC OPINION
click on charlie ward 
13852. PsychProf - 4/23/2001 1:12:25 PM
Banks mentioned Pujols...here is what he looks like.. 
13853. OhioSTOPAS - 4/23/2001 1:34:05 PM
Most frequently-appearing headline in Boston newspapers:
"Sox Blow Lead, Lose"
13854. labwabbit - 4/23/2001 2:07:59 PM
Ya...and Mr. Lead and Mr. Lose are their favorite fans.
13855. jexster - 4/23/2001 10:26:45 PM
Bill Walsh went out just the way he wanted -- with passion and humor. Conducting his last draft with the team he coached to three Super Bowl championships, it was fitting the 49ers' last pick of this draft was all Walsh.
After Walsh lobbied his cohorts for several hours, the 49ers finally selected Yale tight end Eric Johnson with the team's second pick of the seventh round. "He wanted him so bad, we started calling (Johnson) Bill's son, " assistant general manager Terry Donahue said.
"There was a trade, and everyone thought they (another team) were trading up for Bill's son. He would have been very upset if he got picked. He wouldn't admit it, but he would have been upset. I'd be back on Balboa Island."
Donahue's permanent residence is on Southern California's Balboa Island.
13856. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 10:21:08 AM
toys
13857. Fielding - 4/24/2001 10:27:11 AM
Charlie Ward: What a guy!
13858. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 10:33:46 AM
HOT WATER
click on ward(right) 
13859. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 10:36:00 AM
NBA SENIOR LEAGUE
click on photo 
13860. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 10:40:08 AM
MIAMI HEAT
click on photo 
13861. Fielding - 4/24/2001 10:41:04 AM
Who gets to decide if Charlie Ward gets to stay on the Florida Literacy program? None other than Katherine Harris.
13862. labwabbit - 4/24/2001 12:43:52 PM
Good day from the 'almost' top of the world.
PP...Iz de bar open?
13863. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 12:57:50 PM
Yep....I'm just siitin here readin bout Galileo
13864. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 1:10:15 PM
13865. labwabbit - 4/24/2001 1:51:00 PM
Galileo won't authorize me.
Ring my tab...I've had enough for the moment...off to be productive for a while.
13866. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 3:38:44 PM
" An African gray parrot (Psittacus erythacus) named Prudle, had a vocabulary of
nearly 800 words and won the Best Talking Parrot-like Bird title in London,
England, for 12 consecutive years (1965–76), retiring undefeated.
Prudle was reared as a pet in the UK after being found in Jinja, Uganda, in 1958.
She was originally owned by Lyn Logue (who died January 1988) of Golders
Green, London, England, before residing in the care of Iris Frost of Seaford, East
Sussex, UK. Prudle learned over 800 different words before her death in 1994,
and could even conduct polite conversation! She made her way into Guinness
World Records after winning the Best Talking Parrot-like Bird title at the National
Cage and Aviary Bird Show in London, England, for 12 consecutive years. Iris
Frost said the African gray “retired from public life” in 1976, but carried on talking
at home until her death in 1994. One of Prudle’s favorite phrases was, “What are
you doing?” "
13867. labwabbit - 4/24/2001 3:40:53 PM
"What are you doing"?
Yep...female...heh.
13868. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 3:41:31 PM
Lab...check yor e-mail please.
13869. marjoribanks - 4/24/2001 3:43:13 PM
I had an African greay when I was a kid. It's name was tikka and it ate green chilis. Then it flew away.
Prof,
A chocolate milkshake please, I'm parched from all the heavy lifting I've being doing 'round here.
13870. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 3:45:21 PM
Banks...I will spike it with an oreo cookie...
13871. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 3:51:00 PM
From behind the bar... 
13872. ElliottRW - 4/24/2001 3:57:23 PM
The Braves scored 9 runs in a single game. Is the slump over or did they face bad pitching?
13873. PsychProf - 4/24/2001 4:00:09 PM
AH...Elliot...we have been looking for a Brave's fan since 19RBI abdicated. Rivendell especially favors the Braves.
13874. ElliottRW - 4/24/2001 4:02:09 PM
Full disclosure: I'm not actually a Braves fan. However, people I care about are Braves fans and they seem to be suffering.
13875. PsychProf - 4/26/2001 1:39:35 PM
KINGS SET SUNS
click on photo 
13876. labwabbit - 4/26/2001 1:42:54 PM
G'Morn/Afternoon PP
Good to see a voice of sanity this day.
13877. PsychProf - 4/26/2001 1:58:38 PM
Hi Lab...one of my best friends, a true Yankee hater and Sox fan, will introduce George Steinbrenner at Graduation. A decades with of laughter...Any messages from SportsBar folk that I should pass onto George?
13878. labwabbit - 4/26/2001 2:11:07 PM
Do ya really...I mean really wanna hear what I might suggest? Haha.
I do imagine it is quite a test of personal fortitude for a true Sox fan to have to perform.
I think perhaps it will be difficult, say when he goes to shake his hand... and it isn't the throat that he ends up having pried from his fingers in front of such an esteemed audience...heh.
My message would be...lessee...I guess it would be...uh...
Welcome Mr Steinbrenner, glad you were able to make it here..uh, attend. I wish you luck trying to esca...I mean, in enjoying your stay in our fer--rend---ly town.
13879. PsychProf - 4/26/2001 2:37:26 PM
1962: BILL MURRAY ON MINNESOTA FATS
click on RUDOLPH WALTER WANDERONE 
13880. labwabbit - 4/26/2001 2:38:49 PM
To which Mr. Steinbrenner would state, "Ha! You blasted Red Sox losers will never...NEVER, be able to afford another Ramirez ever again as long as I got one red-cent to my name! I will buy them all, you hear? ALL!! (as he's hustled back toward his limo smothered by security guards and singing I'm A Yankee Doodle Dandy....)
13881. PsychProf - 4/26/2001 2:40:53 PM
I'm thinkin of wearing my sox hat instead of the usual gold braid and board hat...
13882. labwabbit - 4/26/2001 2:42:19 PM
I'd expect no less...
13883. Rivendell - 4/26/2001 11:40:06 PM
PP,
Get yerself a batting helmet.
Polish it.
No messages for King George, except... if he moves the Yankees out of the Bronx then he'd better have comprehensive fire protection on his homeowners policy.
Hey bring on 19RBI! The Braves fans deserve to suffer... bad kharma from the tomahawk chop.
13884. PsychProf - 4/27/2001 6:55:22 AM
LAKERS CLOBBER SPOILED CHILDREN
click on photo 
13885. PsychProf - 4/27/2001 6:59:15 AM
SOX AGAIN
click on photo 
13886. PsychProf - 4/27/2001 7:03:34 AM
HORSE'S ASS IN TROUBLE AGAIN
click on photo 
13887. jexster - 4/28/2001 12:07:13 AM
Ray Ratto, my favorite SF sportswriter is now an official trend setter...
Chatterbox @ Slate
Disrespecting the Bing
Of the many excellent things about The Sopranos, the HBO TV series that blends mob brutality with suburban anomie, perhaps the most lasting will be a phrase introduced in Episode 34: "He disrespected the Bing." The moment Chatterbox heard it, he felt certain he was witnessing the birth of a powerful new cliché. And, indeed, several of Chatterbox's friends report that since the program aired a week ago last Sunday, they have been exploring the phrase's possibilities: "You disrespected the Bing." "I disrespected the Bing." "That's disrespecting the Bing." And so on. A scan of news databases and Web search engines reveals that the conceit has not yet broken out--the only out-of-context reference Chatterbox could find was by sportswriter Ray Ratto in the April 25 San Francisco Chronicle:
The small-time fetish that was the Giants' record of consecutive sellouts is now over, as 40,723 people and 336 chairs, most of them in the upper deck, saw the wonderment of the Giants being dope-slapped 9-5 by the Cincinnati Reds. ... Three hundred thirty-six empty seats is hardly "disrespecting the Bing," as New Jersey baseball fans like to say. [Explanatory note: The Sopranos is set in New Jersey.] In fact, it actually creates the illusion that you, the average mope, can, on a whim, grab your cubicle mate after an enervating morning connecting dots and coms and walk down to the ballpark, buy two and settle in for a nice afternoon of ball, beer and ATM withdrawals.
Proving once again that, for better or worse, the sports section is the cutting edge of American lexicology.
13888. msgreer - 4/28/2001 5:09:23 AM
Prof
Tell Georgie bite me. Then give him a Red Sox jersey and hat.
13889. PsychProf - 4/30/2001 7:32:33 AM
SOME APRIL
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13890. theDiva - 4/30/2001 8:11:42 AM
...betcha them Red Sux fans is in hawg heaven....
13891. PsychProf - 4/30/2001 9:10:08 AM
How great is it to see Diva"s name here...
13892. PsychProf - 4/30/2001 10:13:40 AM
ROGER'S DAY
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13893. PsychProf - 4/30/2001 10:33:23 AM
ANYBODY WATCH?
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13894. OhioSTOPAS - 4/30/2001 10:44:46 AM
Welcome back, Ms. Diva!
Are the Yankees still in the league?
13895. theDiva - 4/30/2001 10:54:42 AM
Is that a choking sound I hear?
13896. OhioSTOPAS - 4/30/2001 11:02:50 AM
Your watch is fast. It's only April.
13897. theDiva - 4/30/2001 11:04:38 AM
hahahahaha
13898. labwabbit - 4/30/2001 11:58:56 AM
Good to see you again sweet mother.
Slammin' the Yanks just wasn't the same without ya!
(But then again..nuttin' was)
13899. PsychProf - 4/30/2001 2:30:19 PM
Derby Stuff...
HANDCAPS
POINT GIVEN
13900. labwabbit - 4/30/2001 9:42:03 PM
Coincidence?
Diva returns...the sux lose their first series, against the RoyAls no less.
13901. HollyW - 5/1/2001 1:06:20 AM
So, there is an ad for DirectTV where the WOMAN is the one who is hardcore into sports, and the guy is clueless. It is very funny.
But I'm scratching my head. This DOES happen from time to time IRL, right? The thing is, I've never seen it myself.
13902. theDiva - 5/1/2001 10:26:29 AM
Labwab
Good to see you too, honey! (No, it was no coincidence....)
Holly
Well, I'm a rabid baseball fan and my hubby was never all that interested in it until we got married (he is now a dyed-in-the-wool Yankee fan, the dollface.) Does that count?
13903. marjoribanks - 5/1/2001 10:34:38 AM
I know a girl who grew up basically in and out of my house who became a big Yankees and Knicks fan and then married a weed from Holland who isn't into any sports. During the baseball post-season, my brother and I get anguished calls from her, desperate as she is to talk about the sport and team she loves.
13904. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 11:24:46 AM
QUALITY PITCHER
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13905. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 11:25:55 AM
INTERESTING MATCHUP
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13906. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 11:28:10 AM
WILL BE TOAST...PP'S SPORTSBAR SCOOP
click on mike dunleavy 
13907. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 11:31:31 AM
LATVIA DOMINATES USA
click on arturs irbe 
13908. theDiva - 5/1/2001 11:35:33 AM
13909. theDiva - 5/1/2001 11:36:03 AM
oh fuck, what did I DO?!?!?!
prof, remove the offending post, willya? I sure did forget how to link.
13910. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 11:36:14 AM
THIS GUY CAN PLAY
click on kevin garnett 
13911. theDiva - 5/1/2001 11:37:01 AM
One more time, Thomas Boswell on Baseball Expansion
13912. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 11:43:59 AM
How about a name the Washington team contest...Vetos? Interns? Belts? Pontiacs? Representatives? Bureaucrats? Taxenspenders?
13913. ElliottRW - 5/1/2001 11:51:09 AM
This could be fun. How about: The Committee, The Back-room Boys, The Whips, The Demagogues, or The Elect? I'd suggest the Bandits, but that's too plausible.
13914. theDiva - 5/1/2001 12:06:53 PM
The Washington Blowhards
13915. labwabbit - 5/1/2001 12:17:55 PM
Liars...
13916. labwabbit - 5/1/2001 12:18:25 PM
The Lobby...
13917. labwabbit - 5/1/2001 12:19:25 PM
Spinners...
13918. Rivendell - 5/1/2001 12:25:03 PM
I like Boswell.
Baseball, probably more than any other U.S. sport, is about traditions. Put teams in places where they are valued.
And tell Angelos to piss up a rope.
13919. theDiva - 5/1/2001 12:27:02 PM
Dagnabit, you show up just as I'm leaving!
But anyway,
I KISS YOU!!!!
13920. Rivendell - 5/1/2001 12:29:03 PM
I KISS YOU,
BACK!!!!!
BTW - read back a ways in the Arts thread. Banks finally discovered Timeless Tales. And loves it, of course.
BTWW - I really love Briyumba palo Congo.
13921. JJBiener - 5/1/2001 12:32:52 PM
Riv - I think I gave you the wrong date for Just Water's next show. It is May 12. Sorry in I gave you bad info.
13922. Rivendell - 5/1/2001 12:37:45 PM
JJ,
hahahaha... another conflict for me in any case.
I hope, hope your Casino Queen date is confirmed and is not during Fair St.L. or when we are going to a ballgame.
13923. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 1:01:27 PM
"MADE IN JAPAN"
click on ichiro suzuki 
13924. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 1:35:28 PM
DODGERS LOOK STRONG
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13925. JJBiener - 5/1/2001 2:28:35 PM
Riv - As soon as I know, I will post the info in the Cafe and in A&M.
13926. marjoribanks - 5/1/2001 2:48:38 PM
Hey Rivendell, I have that Valdes album too. It's great.
On Ichiro, I liked that article but it's wrong about one thing. Sometimes he puts bat on ball not in a manner similar to golf but to cricket. In fact, he is bringing into reality a theory I've had for a long time. Someone with a cricket-style swing and speed could be a very productive singles hitter in baseball. Most baseball hitters swing hard by instinct, the idea being to smash a ball someplace. Sometimes it falls, sometimes it doesn't and you can hit for extra-bases when it does fall in.
Cricketers mostly swing to guide the ball to open patches in the field. They accumulate runs, not get them with a single blast. Ichiro guides a ball exactly as a cricketer does. And he's embraced for it because of who he is, his speed and his defense and the time he entered the league. I'm serious when I say that another similar hitter at the plate would not have stuck around for long as recently as a decade ago. The mentality has changed.
13927. ElliottRW - 5/1/2001 3:09:27 PM
Deion Sanders is going to play for the Reds again. I kinda wish he had never left the Braves.
13928. PsychProf - 5/1/2001 4:29:24 PM
Good post(Message # 13926) Banks...hey Spunk...give us an analysis...
13929. PsychProf - 5/2/2001 6:57:54 AM
THESE GUYS WANNA PLAY
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13930. PsychProf - 5/2/2001 6:59:47 AM
PRIME TIME REDUX
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13931. PsychProf - 5/2/2001 7:02:13 AM
NO STUFF?
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13932. PsychProf - 5/2/2001 7:05:10 AM
GO BLUES
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13933. PsychProf - 5/2/2001 7:07:14 AM
MIKE'S THE MAN
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13934. Dusty - 5/2/2001 7:33:09 AM
I hope Pedro has more off nights like that.
13935. marjoribanks - 5/2/2001 10:48:57 AM
I love Deion Sanders. He is among some very very few athletes who just rises wholly to the occasion when something momentuous is happening, and delivers in style.
I loved him on the Yankees, and the Reds are lucky to have him.
Prime Time indeed. Deion is simply a winner.
13936. labwabbit - 5/2/2001 12:20:49 PM
Woo-haw!
Being the only Sux fan in Alaska, (or feeling that way), I thoroughly enjoyed last night's silencing of the fans (of Seattle).
Pedro struggles and comes up with an era-lowering game. Does this guy live right or what?
13937. Rivendell - 5/2/2001 1:30:15 PM
We've been very lucky, in the middle of the U.S., to have been able to listen to two of the finest baseball announcers of their day. We had Harry Carey in his prime (and his colorful exit was worth almost as much as his exhuberant stay) and this man.
When Jack Buck retires, my final childhood baseball memory with be laid to honorable rest.
13938. PsychProf - 5/3/2001 12:08:41 PM
MORON NIGHT
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13939. PsychProf - 5/3/2001 12:17:15 PM
HE'S BACK
click on juan gonzalez 
13940. labwabbit - 5/3/2001 12:18:38 PM
#13938
Spoke of "group identities" and thrashed a fellow motie on the dangers of perceiving self by group definition. This is just another example to the point.
-------
Why the hell does Lowe get opportunities to pitch in tight games? He, again, promptly took a game within reach and with four pitches assured it became out of reach. Why wasn't Arroyo used?
13941. PsychProf - 5/3/2001 2:31:08 PM
THE HITTER
click on manny ramirez 
13942. labwabbit - 5/3/2001 7:30:53 PM
I hope Manny doesn't become just another name on a long list of RedSox superstars that jump ship.
Wish Garciaparra were here to lead this guy off. Spectacular baseball at Fen would once again rule the day.
13943. PsychProf - 5/4/2001 6:55:37 AM
MAVS SILENCE ALL THAT JAZZ
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13944. PsychProf - 5/4/2001 7:00:21 AM
PLAYOFF HOCKEY
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13945. PsychProf - 5/4/2001 7:04:08 AM
" Lakers coach
pokes
fun at Kings
players
You don’t want the dogs sniffing
their luggage" ... Phil Jackson
13946. labwabbit - 5/4/2001 12:13:02 PM
A football coach walked into the locker room before a game, looked over to his star player and said, "I'm not supposed to let you play since you failed math, but we need you in there. So, what I have to do is ask you a math question, and if you get it right, you can play." The player agreed, and the coach looked into his eyes intently and asks, "Okay, now concentrate hard and tell me the answer to this. What is two plus two?" The player thought for a moment and then he answered, "4?" "Did you say 4?" the coach exclaimed, excited that he got it right. At that, all the other players on the team began screaming, "Come on coach, give him another chance!"
13947. mgleason - 5/4/2001 4:28:42 PM
I wanted to show you the tie I just ordered for Eddie. Please don't expire from envy.
13948. Toenails - 5/5/2001 12:38:30 PM
MLB Realignment:
AL Atlantic Division:
Boston
NYY
NYM
Baltimore
Philly
Pittsburgh
NL Pacific Division
Seattle
Anaheim
LA Dodgers
Arizona
San Diego
San Francisco
AL Rustbelt Division
Cleveland
Detroit
Chi Cubs
Chi Sox
Milwaukee
Toronto
NL Prairie Division
Cincinnati
St. Louis
Atlanta
Houston
Kansas City
Colorado
Weakest Links, Goodbye:
Oakland
Florida
Tampa Bay
Minnesota
Montreal
Designated Hitters
13949. CalGal - 5/5/2001 12:40:12 PM
Has anyone seen the documentary on Hank Greenberg? It's making the rounds on Cinemax.
13950. PsychProf - 5/5/2001 1:48:24 PM
I bet it's interesting...Hank was and is a hero to many of my Bronx Buds. Maria...what a great parrot tie. It will be the envy of almost the entire Mote.
13951. PsychProf - 5/5/2001 1:49:13 PM
Toenails...Mets, Yankits, and Sox in the same division...Yikes!
13952. JudithAtHome - 5/5/2001 2:07:15 PM
PP:
Hows about a pic of Point Taken? An anti-posterchild for the Mote, since few ever admit to that sentiment.
13953. PsychProf - 5/5/2001 2:12:47 PM
13954. ElliottRW - 5/5/2001 2:33:30 PM
In case anyone (else) cares, the Knicks lost last night to the Raptors, marking the first time in a long time that the Knicks have left the playoffs in the first round.
Which for me is a bummer. I have long followed the Knicks. Not because they are terribly fun to watch, but because they somehow stick together despite being a bunch of former screw-ups. My other team, Milwaukee, has far exceeded my expectations and I'm delighted to finally get to see them on television. They'll have their hands full with Charlotte.
Two teams that I like to watch are Dallas and Sacramento. I don't expect either of those two teams to advance to the next round.
The only series to which I am indifferent is Toronto-Philly.
13955. PsychProf - 5/5/2001 2:35:21 PM
Elliott...this year the Knick team is characterized by bickering and inconsistency. I am a long time Knicks fan also.
13956. ElliottRW - 5/5/2001 2:42:51 PM
this year the Knick team is characterized by bickering and inconsistency
Inconsistency is an understatement. There was a stretch there that I believed they could beat anyone. It was followed by a stretch where I thought they could be beat by anyone. Very strange.
13957. Frankster - 5/5/2001 2:53:16 PM
Riv,
While a great admirer of Jack Buck, I never could quite get into the "aura" and following of Harry Carey. I never heard him in his prime, but the guy in his later years seemed to be just a parody of himself. I'll certainly give him his props for his love and enthusiasm of the game, though.
I remember Irv having high praise for Ernie Hartwell(sp?), the Detroit announcer, also.
I still think the best baseball announcer doing play-by-play has to be the Dodger's very own, Vin Sculley. I really can't see how anyone from today or a bygone era could ever top this guy.
13958. labwabbit - 5/5/2001 3:38:16 PM
I can't stand it.
13959. CalGal - 5/5/2001 6:22:07 PM
I truly do believe that the reporters at the Kentucky Derby are the most repulsive of an already unattractive clan.
13960. CalGal - 5/5/2001 6:30:34 PM
Wow, second fastest winner in history, and only the third to go under two minutes. Impressive. I think it's also the first time there was a protest lodged in a Derby.
13961. wabbit - 5/5/2001 6:52:54 PM
I should spend some time at OTB. My picks finished first, second and fourth and Spunky had third.
13962. CalGal - 5/5/2001 6:56:30 PM
Wow. I rarely read up on it until the day of the race. What had you picking Monarchos to win?
BTW, correction on something I said: Sham, who came in second to Secretariat, was clocked under 2 minutes but I guess they only count the winner as an official time.
13963. wabbit - 5/5/2001 7:10:15 PM
Simple, I never bet favorites. Monarchos looked good, was training well (and lightly), ran well in the Wood, and had odds worth betting. Thunder Blitz looked like he could get the distance and seems ready. I thought a fast track might favor the late runners. I must admit that Invisible Ink was a sentimental pick (and is a half brother to Point Given).
Basically, it's a crap shoot.
13964. CalGal - 5/5/2001 7:17:32 PM
Horseracing is fascinating--the equine social psychology seems to have as much to do with winning and losing as training does. And a bad loss, apparently, can kill their spirit forever.
So when are you going to open an account and start to put this impressive track record (heh) to good use?
13965. wabbit - 5/5/2001 7:24:20 PM
I'll be away from a tv for the Preakness (but close to a track, so maybe...)
I actually used to do quite well in the UK, paid for several holidays by betting at local tracks, mostly races over fences. That alone should confirm what a large part luck plays, at least for me. I had one day when I picked six winners out of seven races.
I had a horse that ran a few races, never made much money, but he seemed to enjoy it. He loved people and the crowds, he'd always be looking at the grandstand when he got to the finish line. He's a sweetheart, now being ridden strictly for pleasure in PA.
13966. CalGal - 5/5/2001 7:29:20 PM
How neat. Was the training particularly expensive? How old is he now?
I don't think you can count all of those 6 wins as luck. That's pretty astounding.
Horseracing is something I have always enjoyed reading about, but rarely watch. Probably an early exposure to Dick Francis.
13967. wabbit - 5/5/2001 7:42:25 PM
Oh, believe me, that day was a fluke. It's even better, though, because my ex-husband had the winner in the seventh race (my pick in that race ran second). My first recollection of picking a winner was Candy Spots in 1963. I'm sure it was the name.
Training was fairly expensive, about $15,000/year (this was in the mid-eighties). It's fun if you can afford it, especially going to the track at 5am and walking around the stables, talking to the grooms and exercise riders.
I hope Laffit Pincay goes into training when he retires as a jockey. He is really wonderful with horses.
13968. CalGal - 5/5/2001 7:52:42 PM
He's the winningest jockey, yes? Who did he ride this time? I know it wasn't the second place winner, the guy who protested.
Come to think of it, the second place horse was a hell of a long shot--that's a really impressive pick.
$15,000/year--probably a lot more now. I suppose it isn't much when you consider room and board and training fees. Did you get into it with your eventual ex, or on your own?
13969. CalGal - 5/5/2001 7:53:21 PM
Oh, I see that Pincay rode Millenium Wind (just reading the Times article).
13970. arkymalarky - 5/5/2001 8:32:19 PM
Wabbit! You need to make a trip to AR while the Hot Springs racing season is on. I quit going years ago because my strategy of picking winners by names and numbers just wasn't working. Bob had a friend years ago who hit the Daily Double something like six times, opened a special account for winnings, and lost it all by the end of that racing season.
I was trying to remember which horse in the KD they said came in last in the AR Derby. I can't remember which one came in second in the AR Derby either.
13971. CalGal - 5/5/2001 8:38:06 PM
For some reason I got interested today in reading about the no-longer-quite-so-mysterious death of Alydar, champion stud stallion and the finest also-ran ever to run. Has anyone been following it over the years? I've heard of it before now, but never really focused on it.
13972. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 11:18:37 AM
THE RED SOX "ROTISSERIE" APPROACH TO WINNING
13973. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 11:20:28 AM
JAY'S LOOKIN GOOD
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13974. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 11:22:17 AM
MILWAUKEE'S FINEST
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13975. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 11:30:16 AM
CAN'T STOP HIM
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13976. ElliottRW - 5/7/2001 1:03:35 PM
Go Bucks!
I'm pretty sure I'm the only Milwaukee fan in the Mote, but I think anyone would enjoy watching this team. 31 assists -- that's good basketball.
13977. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 1:43:07 PM
Elliott...Ray Allen is a personal favorite.
13978. ElliottRW - 5/7/2001 2:03:14 PM
Really? That's great. I knew Ray Allen could score, but I didn't realize what a good defender he was until I saw him play Tracy McGrady in the Orlando series. I like the Buck's chances against both Philly and Toronto. Charlotte still worries me though.
13979. OhioSTOPAS - 5/7/2001 2:11:51 PM
How about that Red Sox bullpen last night? Nailing down the win for Pedro by shutting down the A's (only 3 runs in 2 innings).
13980. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 2:15:55 PM
Heartburn City Ohio...did you see my East Aurora link in the Cafe?
13981. OhioSTOPAS - 5/7/2001 2:45:13 PM
Yeah, that was cool!
But the website makers could have found some more scenic areas of E.A. (as opposed to the video of the Paint Pot shopping plaza!)
13982. PsychProf - 5/7/2001 2:47:26 PM
How bout Millard Fillmore's house...
13983. Rivendell - 5/7/2001 2:54:35 PM
Frankus,
Yes, Harry Caray was a parody of himself at the end of this career.
I mean... it's television, so that cuts down on the opportunities for a radio guy to show his best stuff anyway. Plus... it was the Cubs.
He had to be a parody of himself just to keep the viewers from falling asleep.
But sorry Franko, Buck and Caray, on the radio in the late 60s, IMNSHO, topped anything Vin Sculley ever did.
Not that I am biased, or anything.
13984. Rivendell - 5/7/2001 2:55:39 PM
Make that - his career.
13985. PsychProf - 5/8/2001 6:48:22 AM
WW III CONTINUES
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13986. PsychProf - 5/8/2001 6:51:50 AM
DUNCAN THE MAVS
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13987. PsychProf - 5/8/2001 6:59:46 AM
GOOD LUCK JOHN
click on john vukovich 
13988. PsychProf - 5/8/2001 7:02:51 AM
L.A. BROWN OUT
click on photo 
13989. PsychProf - 5/8/2001 7:15:54 AM
MOM IS PISSED
click on vince and michelle carter 
13990. PsychProf - 5/8/2001 10:15:21 AM
REMEMBERING MARK
click on mark fidrych 
13991. labwabbit - 5/8/2001 12:34:14 PM
PP:
Fidrych was one of a kind. A kind that baseball really needed during the beginning of the end years of baseball romanticism.
Gotta like, and appreciate, honesty and sincerity like that...
In coming email
13992. Dusty - 5/9/2001 8:20:35 AM
What a great day!
13993. Dusty - 5/9/2001 9:37:25 AM
ElliottRW
I'm more of a Ray Allen fan than a Bucks fan, but I'm pulling for the Bucks because of him, if that counts.
Judith
Clever.
13994. ElliottRW - 5/9/2001 9:51:01 AM
Good enough for me Dusty. Did you see last night's game? It was a thriller. Charlotte is like some 12-headed monster that can't be killed; it just keeps coming back. The Bucks were lucky to escape. I'm hoping that more Ray Allen fans will tune into Bucks games so that maybe, just maybe, I'll get to see more than 3 regular season Bucks games on TV.
13995. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:19:39 AM
BRINGING IT
click on randy johnson 
13996. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:25:29 AM
"YOU CAN CALL ME RAY"
click on ray allen 
13997. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:27:52 AM
THIS WAS A PP'S SPORTSBAR EXCLUSIVE
click on mike dunleavy 
13998. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:34:10 AM
SO YA NEED SOME SIZE AT CENTER
click on yao ming 
13999. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 10:41:30 AM
Eric Milton pitched a gem against the Yankees last night. A tough, heady, performance that once again showcased the fact that he's among the very brightest talents on the mound these days.
The guy still has a NY logo tattooed on his arm, and it is nice to wonder about how good he'd look in pinstripes. But it's several years and several championships down the road from the trade that took him to the Twins for Knoblauch. No point in getting over-caught up with what-ifs.
Minnesota looks reall great overall by the way. I'm waiting for the "bad-for-baseball, bad-for-baseball" brigade to start retracting their ludicrous comments from last year about the viability of small-market franchises. The Twinkies are showing how it should be done - and thruth be told their way of going about their business is no different from the way successful franchises work - big or small.
It ain't about the dollars, girls. It's about attitude and the fundamentals of the game.
14000. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:42:36 AM
Banks...did you get my e-mail?
14001. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 10:43:47 AM
No, prof. @hotmail? I'll check my box out later today. I'm on a slow connection right now.
14002. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:45:26 AM
Banks...it's a long season. Mussina is just heatin up...
14003. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 10:47:43 AM
Looking ahead, it appears that it could well be the Yanks, Seattle and Minnesota winning their divisions, and I pick the Sux for the wild-card.
Either way, the Yankees will have their toughest road to the WS ahead of them. It's quite fitting. If the streak has to end, it should be against vastly revamped and revitalized teams - engineered almost specifically to beat them.
But no one, no one, should count them out in post-season. Experience is 50% of the battle then, and no one has stockpiled more veterans of the post-season wars than the Yankees. I also expect one big blockbuster during the year, maybe after July. Expect another ace reliever at the very least. Perhaps Don S's fave Ugueth Urbina.
14004. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 10:48:07 AM
Yes, hotmail.
14005. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 10:54:22 AM
Overall, though I don't watch too much of other teams except on Sportscenter, this is turning out to be a phenomenal season with brilliant performances and comebacks and lessons learned all over the map.
Texas has underscored again how stupid a team can be to wish that offense trumps defense. This is a lesson everyone learned in the 80's I thought. Apparently not.
Tough young pitchers like Milton are showing how they can be the backbone of a winning habit.
Seattle's two Japanese are underscoring again that much talent still lies untapped overseas. Ichiro is flat-out a phenomenon, single-handedly showing how success at baseball need not come from the beefhead mindset.
And there are great rookies everywhere, almost every team I've watched showcases a genuine potential star.
And then the really big boppers are back, at least in the AL. In one division alone we have Manny Ramirez, Carlos Delgado and Juan Gonzalez. Monster hitters all, already sporting monster numbers.
It's a beautiful time to be a baseball fan.
14006. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 1:20:32 PM
14007. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 3:21:40 PM
Banks,
Let's see how well the Twinkies are doing at the end of the year before you start grilling and passing out the crow. Nevermind even cosidering how well a team like Minnesota can hold together a good team.
But then maybe the small markets should just be happy to have a good team once a generation or so.
14008. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 3:27:52 PM
Banks must be smoking something again as he drives that cab.
14009. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 3:28:20 PM
Riv,
How many of these so-called small-market teams are there anyway? I mean ones that suffer oh-so much but act wisely nonetheless and are stuck with losers solely because of baseball economics. Leave out Montreal, that squad doesn't even get fan support - Canada is finally clearly a hockey state.
I know the AL.
Who is there besides the very good Twins? K.C? Pretty good team, plays fundamentally good baseball. Baltimore cancels out KC -big-bucks spent and abyssmal squad. Oakland? Superb team, unaccountably struggling. Seattle? Best team in baseball. Tampa Bay? Idiot management, no fan base.
Let's put this old dog out of its misery. Show me a relatively well-run team, with a good loyal fan-base, that sucks because of baseball economics.
14010. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 3:29:27 PM
Newark Bears.
14011. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 3:42:55 PM
Banks,
How long has it been since the Twins were good? How long do you honestly believe they can hold this good team together.
You must be smoking if you think KC proves your point. Look at them again.
And Detroit??
Seattle has Paul Allen now. They are not in the same kind of financial bind.
In the NL you have Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Milwaukee.
St. Louis will not be able to sustain it's excellent system if the current economics remain unchecked. Neither will Cincinnati (although I would not call their current management excellent - except in comparison to Marge Schott).
I become more in favor of ML shrinkage with each passing season.
14012. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 3:44:32 PM
And you can't lump the problem of lousy management in with the unequitable financial structure.
Solving one is not intended to solve the other.
14013. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 3:48:26 PM
Okay, I need to do some analysis on Detroit and KC.
Minnesota is good because they have made wise decisions and have a good manager. I consider them an example proving my point until and unless they have to disband the team for financial reasons. Don't presume they'll have to.
So we're down to just Detroit and KC in the AL, these two teams are the entire evidence available from what I'll call the other side. Pretty lean ammunition, but hey I'll get back to you in a day or two.
The NL, I don't know all that much. But I again urge you not to assume that teams will have to disband because of baseball economics. We haven't seen very many examples of that at all, though I agree that even one or two players gone purely because of money is bad enough.
14014. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 3:51:30 PM
Besides the Florida teams, which are just a waste of time, I don't see any other squads which could or should be cut from the ML.
14015. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 3:53:47 PM
If, and this is a big if, Minnesota proves to be the real deal. And if some of their players prove themselves to be big timers then I can guarantee the team will not be able to hold them together.
And I can guarantee you there are serious financial problems on the horizon for the Cards if the owners do nothing to address the problems.
14016. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 3:55:06 PM
And you can throw out all the Florida teams on your whim. But they still are part of the problem.
14017. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 3:58:30 PM
Let's be clear on one other point - there is no reason whatsoever to set up a system that protects management from its own idiotic decisions.
As much as I hate to compliment the NFL, they have a system that works. And it definitely does not protect teams from themselves.
14018. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 4:02:29 PM
Riv,
I don't deny that there are some fundamental inequities which have to be addressed straight-on by the owners.
But I do believe that the biggest factor that contributes to winning is sane and superior management. And that winning produces more revenue and fan interest from your base. And that all three of these factors in combination are what, in the end, determine a franchise's success.
Look at Green Bay in the NFL. That's the model of a successful small-market team. Or the Twins a decade ago when they won two WS. Or the Twins today, for that matter.
I think the bad-for-baseball naysayers are generally off the mark but not entirely wrong, in other words.
14019. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 4:08:20 PM
Banks,
And I think you are wishful thinking.
I don't deny that winning produces all those positives. But MLB is heading, without making any economic changes, to a time when only a few teams will be able to put together consistent winners.
And besides, you keep bringing up examples that prove my points. Green Bay is in the NFL. The NFL has a system that works.
The Twins team from, actually more than, a decade ago could not have stayed together today even as long as that one did. At even that team was not able to stay together as long as the Braves from the same time.
And the Twins today have proven nothing - yet.
14020. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 4:13:26 PM
Riv,
Maybe you're right. All I'm trying to say is that Boston sucks.
Bawston Sucks.
Bawston Sucks.
Bawston Sucks
Bawston Sucks.
There, I've said it. Don't you feel better?
14021. PsychProf - 5/9/2001 4:14:49 PM
I could feel it comimg.
14022. labwabbit - 5/9/2001 4:22:15 PM
Dusty
Need about 130 or so more days like that.
Banks...
Smoke the yellow stuff next time ok?
The green stuff just a'int taking you far enough away from reality.
14023. Rivendell - 5/9/2001 4:26:34 PM
I feel great.
Benes pitched well last night - finally. And we have two more against the miserable Pirates.
This weekend we play the Cubs. As of this writing we are only 3.5 games behind the "first place Cubs, it must be early May."
Monday could be a wonderful day.
Or it could suck.
I'll get back to you on that.
14024. labwabbit - 5/9/2001 4:30:29 PM
Bawston is great...
Bawston is great...
Bawston is the greatest...
(See, the yellow stuff really works...)
14025. marjoribanks - 5/9/2001 4:32:00 PM
Obviously.... you're completely delusional.
14026. labwabbit - 5/9/2001 4:34:00 PM
Comes with the territory as you well know.
14027. ElliottRW - 5/9/2001 4:36:06 PM
Boston does suck. The whole Rick Pitino era was a disaster, a big waste of talent. I suspect it will take that franchise two years at least to make the playoffs. I think a reunion team of Bird, McHale, Parish, Ainge, and Dennis freckle-face (or even Cousey, if he's still alive) could beat these Celtics.
14028. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 12:06:19 PM
CAN CUT THE MUSTARD
click on alan iverson 
14029. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 12:10:03 PM
HE'S JUST LEARNING TO PITCH
click on photo 
14030. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 12:13:38 PM
OVER AND OVER AGAIN
click on photo 
14031. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 3:35:08 PM
A HERO TO MANY
click on hank greenberg 
14032. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 4:24:31 PM
SHOOTOUT AT THE AUD
click on hasek-lamieux 
14033. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 4:28:11 PM
Elliot...Banks was refering to the Red Sox, but he may in gerneral dislike all beantown teams...I remind(inform) you that he wears short pants when he says this.
14034. ElliottRW - 5/10/2001 4:31:19 PM
PP -- of course he was referring to the sox. My response was my idea of a joke, which proves, I guess, that I shouldn't quit my day job.
14035. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 4:34:45 PM
Elliot...I think it means I should retain mine also...go Bucks.
14036. PsychProf - 5/10/2001 4:46:11 PM
I love this photo... 
14037. ElliottRW - 5/10/2001 5:07:45 PM
Say, while you're here, Do you know if Neal Stephenson is going to come out with another book any time soon?
14038. ElliottRW - 5/10/2001 5:08:48 PM
PP, my last post was meant for Literature. Please move it. Thanks.
14039. Frankster - 5/11/2001 1:56:34 AM
If his book is anything like Berkov's columns, then it is definitely a worth read. What a name made for baseball - Hank.
A man's man that Greenberg.
By the way, has anyone seen Billy Crystal's "61" ? I've read mostly good reviews on this movie, so it seems Crystal's passion for the game has transfered onto the screen. I'm trying to get someone to tape it for me since I don't suscribe to HBO.
14040. marjoribanks - 5/11/2001 10:42:12 AM
Yesterday, the Twins defense played about a fine a game as I've ever seen played in baseball at Yankee stadium. Brilliant, relentless, all-out.
Hats off to those guys, as Ken Singleton said last night - if the hit ball had any kind of loop to it they got to it. Phenomenal stuff, the Twinkies are showing what winning baseball is all about with their stingy pitching and charged defense. I really hope they sustain this run through the season.
BTW, their win yesterday gave the Twins their first season-win over the Yankees in some ten years. And they deserved it completely.
14041. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 1:22:52 PM
Elliot...no problem. Off topic is welcome here...
14042. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 1:23:40 PM
Banks...some one has your password and is posting intelligent stuff in your name.
14043. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 1:24:03 PM
MAGIC REAPPEARING ACT
click on photo 
14044. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 1:27:23 PM
TOO MUCH FOR DOM
click on dominik hasek 
14045. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 1:37:03 PM
PP'S UNCLE
click on ed don george 
14046. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 2:22:28 PM
Sportsbar regulars... 
14047. marjoribanks - 5/11/2001 2:57:26 PM
Who're those geezers?
14048. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 3:10:17 PM
Geezers...That's Hollings and Morris fron Northern Exposure you cab-driving goober...
14049. Frankster - 5/11/2001 3:13:28 PM
Whatever became of Rob ... ?
Rob ?
Rob ?
Rob ?
( Give me a second.His name will come to me.)
14050. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 3:15:27 PM
Chrissakes another turnip trucker is here...Frank...you mean Rob Morrow?
14051. Frankster - 5/11/2001 3:23:17 PM
PP,
YES !!! Him. Whatever became of him ? And this in no way compares to that incident with the cantalope/paper bag that one time.
...The noive! ;-)
14052. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 3:29:10 PM
14053. Frankster - 5/11/2001 3:34:01 PM
Thanks, PP. What service! :-)
His restaurant sounds like the thing to do should I ever find myself in that part of New York. his acting career has been sort of quiet lately, no ?
14054. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 3:57:50 PM
Frank...I am correcting finals and the break here is welcome.
14055. Frankster - 5/11/2001 4:02:53 PM
PP,
What is YOUR policy when someone misses a final ? That is, how anal are you -- for lack of a better term -- when it comes to permitting some excuses to slip by ? Do you rule with an iron fist, or are you as I suspect, pretty easygoing and flexible ?
14056. PsychProf - 5/11/2001 4:17:08 PM
There is a make up period on the last day of finals. The purpose of a test is to promote learning as well as to evaluate, so a second chance to take the final( diferent version) seems appropriate.
14057. Greystoke - 5/12/2001 6:59:18 PM
baseball trivia
1. Since 1901, the has been one AL pitcher and one NL pitcher to lead their league in losses four straight seasons. Name them.
2. It has been 27 years since a pitcher has lost more than 20 games in a season. In 1974, four pitchers lost more than 20, one in the AL and three in the NL. Name them.
3. Since 1950, there have been four pitchers who led their league in wins one season and then led in losses the following year. Three were Cy Young Award winners the year they led in wins. Name them.
(Note that for these questions, tying for the league lead in wins or losses is the same as "leading the league".)
14058. greystoke - 5/12/2001 10:02:55 PM
No interest, eh?
Here are the answers in white font:
1. Pedro Ramos (1958-1961) and Phil Niekro (1977-1980).
2. Mickey Lolich (16-21), Randy Jones (8-22), Bill Bonham (11-22), and Steve Rogers (15-22).
3.
Bob Friend 22-14 in 1958 and 8-19 in 1959
Steve Carlton 27-10 in 1972 and 13-20 in 1973
LaMarr Hoyt 24-10 in 1983 and 13-18 in 1984
Orel Hershiser 23-8 in 1988 and 15-15 in 1989
14059. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 10:59:21 AM
Sorry Stoke...I was away for the weekend. Thanks for the quiz.
14060. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 11:02:58 AM
ITCHY IS PRETTY GOOD
click on photo 
14061. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 11:05:13 AM
SHOULD BE INTERESTING
click on david cone 
14062. marjoribanks - 5/14/2001 11:13:37 AM
Okay, I'm officially a little concerned about the Sux this season.
No, I don't think they'll win the pennant, but they will be trouble for whoever faces them in a short series in the playoffs. Heck, if Nomar is back in good form they'll be tough in the longer series as well.
14063. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 11:17:19 AM
Banks...they just revamped their fouth and fifth starters, looks like....add Wakefield and Cone. I look for Valentin to move to third base when Nomar returns.
14064. marjoribanks - 5/14/2001 11:21:09 AM
I know, Prof-et, that's why i posted the above.
14065. theDiva - 5/14/2001 11:23:41 AM
Banks.
Truly.
It's only May, hon.
14066. marjoribanks - 5/14/2001 11:27:19 AM
Never too early to obsess about the Yankees, their fortunes, and their potential fortunes, Diva. Think of me as an unpaid, unacknowledged, powerless, shadow Cashman.
14067. theDiva - 5/14/2001 11:29:00 AM
You may have a point. Their payroll is higher than ours, after all, so they're sure to win the division this year.
(smirk)
14068. marjoribanks - 5/14/2001 11:32:22 AM
Good one.
It'll be bad for baseball if the Sux do well this year.
14069. theDiva - 5/14/2001 11:33:09 AM
Baaaaaaddddd....very verrrrrry baaaaaddd.....
14070. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 11:34:28 AM
My calendar sez May 14...only frontrunners are concerned bout their teams.
14071. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 11:35:23 AM
I believe that Skeets is a closet Red Sox fan...
14072. theDiva - 5/14/2001 11:36:38 AM
Bite yer tongue, ya geezer.
14073. theDiva - 5/14/2001 11:37:11 AM
btw, Hollings and Morris definitely fit in around here....
14074. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 11:39:03 AM
I blew it...it is Maurice on second thought...Diva...are you tired, or is a routine established which allows for some relaxing moments...
14075. theDiva - 5/14/2001 11:46:49 AM
YES! MAURICE!
And thanks for asking, things are becoming more routine. She has slept through the night twice in the past week (10 or 11 PM until 5 or 6 AM) and other nights she is only up once between 3 and 4. So I am starting to feel like my old self again, only this time my old self with a brand new baby and a new life....
14076. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 12:11:35 PM
How is Gracie...teen years gettin easier or not?
14077. theDiva - 5/14/2001 12:14:06 PM
Gracie is FAB. She has her difficult moments but they are outweighed by the good times and the joy she is bringing us as a new big sister. She and Skeetie are utterly adorable together. There is nothing like watching your kids show affection to one another. Amazing.
14078. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 12:38:08 PM
Diva...it is great to have you back. We all missed you.
14079. theDiva - 5/14/2001 12:43:01 PM
aw shucks....thanks.
14080. Rivendell - 5/14/2001 2:06:40 PM
PP,
Don't let 'em bullshit ya about who has the highest payroll.
14081. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 2:12:14 PM
Riv...well...lotta bang for the buck in 'sota.
14082. ElliottRW - 5/14/2001 2:17:09 PM
6 scoreless innings;
Pitcher looks good, yet is pulled.
Braves will lose again.
14083. Rivendell - 5/14/2001 2:17:12 PM
PP,
Don't know about the Twinkies. All anyone can say is they have had a good month and a half.
OTOH, life is good this Monday after having swept the Cubbies out of town and into our rear view mirror where they belong.
And on a payroll 42% less than either the Sox or the Yankmes, no less.
That probably proves something to Banks too.
14084. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 2:21:48 PM
Bizarro Banks(Seinfeld) has been around lately extolling the virtues of other than Yankees..
14085. Rivendell - 5/14/2001 2:26:15 PM
He's just laying the seeds of a fallback position come September.
14086. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 2:35:10 PM
He thinks he is fooling us...amazing penchant for self-deception on his part. At any moment, like a hyperactive three year old, he can and or will break into a "Boston Sux" chant, laughing and hiking his short pants up simultaneously.
14087. Rivendell - 5/14/2001 2:37:20 PM
You mean he's stopped mooning when he does that?
Thank God.
14088. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 2:38:33 PM
What we thought was a moon turned out to be a more basic intestinal function.
14089. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 2:45:58 PM
To quote Monty Python "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."
14090. Rivendell - 5/14/2001 3:00:49 PM
Yeah, Monty Python...
...that fits the image...
14091. Rivendell - 5/14/2001 3:01:51 PM
What you need now is a dead parrot gif.
14092. PsychProf - 5/14/2001 5:47:46 PM
Actually PP's Sportsbar is the one place that Parrots can speak their birdbrains...no posted rules aginst such, and The Parrot Police do not have the feathers to come here.
14093. msgreer - 5/14/2001 6:00:09 PM
Red Sox Red Sox Red Sox...get use to it,sweet Diva. They just may do it this year. kiss kiss...
14094. grannypatsy - 5/14/2001 8:55:34 PM
Red Sox? I think not. I must currently root for the Cubs. sincee I will get to see them play in ChiCago Saturday, My sister the baseball freak is a good friend of Hall of Famer Billy Williams who is no second base coach for Cubs.Saturday is Billy Williams day at Wrigley Field and Billy W. has provided us with players tickets. Cibs are playing Diamond Backs.
14095. PsychProf - 5/15/2001 11:09:11 AM
Patsy, how nice to see you here.
14096. PsychProf - 5/15/2001 11:15:48 AM
SPURS READY
click on photo 
14097. PsychProf - 5/15/2001 2:38:26 PM
RAY
click on photo 
14098. marjoribanks - 5/15/2001 2:42:24 PM
Remember a year or two ago when a bunch of people (most notably JadeGold) told me that the NBA was "finished" and "boring" and destined to languish in the post-Jordan era?
Well, I admit that I couldn't give less of a shit about the Bucks/Hornets games.
But all the other series highlight phenomenal young players and super-exciting basketball. The ever-improving excellence of Tim Duncan versus monster Shaq and quicksilver Bryant. Iverson and Carter's mano-a-mano heroics.
Great stuff.
14099. PsychProf - 5/15/2001 3:08:17 PM
"He also had bite marks and belt lashes on his body"
14100. grannypatsy - 5/15/2001 6:37:27 PM
Psych Prof; Thanks for the greeting. I lurk here ofeten. I sildom post lest some prof spike my ginger ale.
14101. PsychProf - 5/16/2001 1:17:23 PM
FRANKLY SPEAKING
click on photo 
14102. PsychProf - 5/16/2001 1:20:27 PM
GENUINE PP'S SPORTSBAR FAVORITE: HANG IN THERE RICK
click on photo 
14103. PsychProf - 5/16/2001 1:27:55 PM
KEITH THE TRAVELING MAN
click on keith not dan 
14104. PsychProf - 5/17/2001 1:18:54 PM
NEPOTISM
click on putz 
14105. PsychProf - 5/17/2001 1:22:05 PM
GET THEE TO A DRUGGERY
click on photo 
14106. PsychProf - 5/17/2001 2:57:12 PM
AND ALL HIS FRIENDS SAID THAT HE COULD NO LONGER GET IT IN THE HOLE
14107. PsychProf - 5/17/2001 2:59:35 PM
FOR ALL FARTSWOTH FANS
click on image 
14108. ElliottRW - 5/18/2001 11:25:30 AM
Woo Bucks! The "Big Dog" finally caught fire and Sam Cassell seems to be back into form. It sure was nice to see the Bucks mount a comeback for a change.
14109. PsychProf - 5/18/2001 11:30:19 AM
BANG FOR THE BUCK
click on photo 
14110. msgreer - 5/18/2001 11:32:38 AM
Hey, Prof
Isn't it grand to see the RED SOX ahead of the Yankees? Are the Yankees having internal issues? I mean what's the inside scoop, oh Mighty One?
14111. PsychProf - 5/18/2001 11:38:35 AM
MsG...too early to get excited, but perfect time to to be interested.
Yours Truly,
Buckwheat Zydeco
14112. JudithAtHome - 5/19/2001 6:16:17 PM
My pick for the Derby won the Preakness today...Point Given won in 1:55:51 followed ny A P Valentine in second and Congaree in third.
14113. CalGal - 5/19/2001 6:33:27 PM
Good job! Wabbit, did you do as well as you did in the Derby?
14114. Toenails - 5/19/2001 10:01:59 PM
Uh, the Red Sox are ahead of the Yankees. Right.
But it's, like, May.
Nothing unusual about that. ..."But it's a long, long time.....from May to December, and the days grow short, when you reach September."
'Trouble with the Sox, they seldom reach September.
Anyway, I fart in the general direction of both clubs. The Mighty Orioles will Rise Again!
14115. PsychProf - 5/21/2001 1:44:46 PM
$$$$ WIN
click on ray allen 
14116. PsychProf - 5/21/2001 1:48:23 PM
BONDS CASHING IN
click on barry bonds 
14117. PsychProf - 5/21/2001 1:55:26 PM
TIGER ALWAYS LURKS
click on photo 
14118. JudithAtHome - 5/21/2001 2:00:52 PM
I'm sure Tiger combined this tournament in Germany with some commercial endeavors...like TV ads for the German market. He's a bright guy...you won't see him hawking the wonders of Lasik eye surgery on local TV stations when he's done with his salad days of winning...
14119. PsychProf - 5/21/2001 2:30:37 PM
IVERSON TOO MUCH FOR RAPTORS
click on photo 
14120. PsychProf - 5/21/2001 2:37:16 PM
NOT MILK AND COOKIES
click on photo 
14121. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 11:21:48 AM
LAKERS SPUR FEAR IN SAN ANTONIO
click on photo 
14122. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 12:51:22 PM
14123. Rivendell - 5/22/2001 1:06:48 PM
PP,
An update on the Ankiel link you posted nearly a week ago - the Memphis pitching coach was interviewed on the radio here this morning and he said Ankiel did not show any progress in his second start (your link reported on his first AAA start).
You can read more about start #2 here.
It doesn't look good. If this continues at the AAA level, the Memphis pitching coach implied Ankiel might get demoted even further or taken out of the system entirely in order to be put into "private pitching therapy" or whatever it is called.
Almost every report talks about Ankiel's hard working attitude.
It is hard to watch.
14124. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 1:10:51 PM
Riv...I can't stand it. I will contiue to root hard for him...
14125. marjoribanks - 5/22/2001 2:30:33 PM
Hokay, so I watched Ichiro closely for the three games the Yanks played in Seattle. Some notes:
1) The guy is unbelievably fast, the fastest I've seen (using the eye alone) from home to second and probably the fastest down the line from the plate.
2) He is smart. Except for missing one cut off man with a prodigious throw to THIRD from the warning track in RF, he was textbook in every aspect of his game.
3) He is slight, almost puny. Now, he is obviously wiry and tougher than he looks, but the main question mark in terms of the next point is - can he last out his first 162 game season with as much energy as he has now.
4) The final point is - he's going to threaten and maybe break some incredibly long-lasting records.
----(more)
14126. marjoribanks - 5/22/2001 2:31:13 PM
The record he has the best chance to break, nay, smash, is that for most hits in a season. Currently, he's on a pace to get some 270, the record (I think) is 256. Here's why he has a good chance to do some damage here. (A) He is only now seeing the league's pitchers for the second time. Dangerous enough the first time around, he's hitting over .400 the second time around. As he gets more used to the ones especially in his division, he's got to get better as every player does. (B) He plays on a good team, and has no pressure to hit for power. In that scenario, a guy like him who sprays the ball to all fields is more comfortable doing just that, not pulling for extra bases.(C) he has that cricketer's array of swings I posted about some time ago. Commentators liken it to a tennis player's shot range, but cricket is a far better analogy. Against the Yankees, the man hit what can only be described as a pure cricket square cut. He'll slice a low and inside ball to left, he'll loft an outside pitch over shortstop. He has more weapons than any baseball player I've seen except perhaps Rod Carew, and he doesn't flick, he drives with authority.
The record he has an outside shot for is hitting .400. He could do it more easily than you'd imagine if the pitchers he opposes don't get reluctant to throw him anything he can hit. And he has that blazing speed. He hasn't attempted a bunt yet and Piniella says he's flat out the best bunter on the team. If he wants to, later in the year, he'll get a bunt hit a game if necessary. With that array of swings PLUS the danger of a bunt, the infield corners will be stuck in no-mans land.
He also has a shot at DiMaggio's hitting streak record, but that is more iffy than the other two which depend more on grinding out a season.
14127. marjoribanks - 5/22/2001 2:31:31 PM
I will post in the next couple of days on what I think will happen if he threatens any of these records. America kind of likes him now, he's a novelty and unknown. I think that will change very fast if he looks like he's going to grab one of these iconic records.
14128. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 2:35:25 PM
Banks...coronation awaits time. I will be at the Stadium on June 9...if you will be there that day we could schmooze a bit. Keep it in mind...you have my e-mail address.
14129. marjoribanks - 5/22/2001 2:38:09 PM
I will post in the next couple of days on what I think will happen if he threatens any of these records. America kind of likes him now, he's a novelty and unknown. I think that will change very fast if he looks like he's going to grab one of these iconic records.
14130. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 2:41:55 PM
I got it the first time...we await with held breath.
14131. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 2:42:58 PM
14132. ElliottRW - 5/22/2001 2:49:36 PM
I have one comment on the Vince Carter graduation thingy: critics of Carter need a little perspective. Basketball is a game. It does not save lives. It does not prevent famine, war, disease, and all manner of hardships.
Education does.
I rather like Vince's priorities. I think the NBA should celebrate Vince's choice.
14133. PsychProf - 5/22/2001 2:54:23 PM
Here is a photo of Vince pointing towards the location where he thinks classes were held. 
14134. PsychProf - 5/23/2001 4:23:19 PM
PHENOM AND FRIENDS
click on photo 
14135. Dusty - 5/24/2001 10:02:51 AM
I ws listening to a discussion of the Florida Marlins situations, and an off-hand remark was made that Florida may lose the team if baseball cuts back two teams. I hadn't realized this was on the table. Has any professional league ever de-expanded (other than those in the beginning of death throes)?
14136. PsychProf - 5/24/2001 10:28:48 AM
Nothing comes to mind Dusty.
14137. PsychProf - 5/24/2001 10:32:36 AM
14138. PsychProf - 5/24/2001 11:53:08 AM
GOT THE WORLD BY THE BALLS
click on robert horry 
14139. PsychProf - 5/24/2001 3:00:41 PM
HOPE THE BIG DOG BARKS
click on glenn robinson 
14140. PsychProf - 5/24/2001 3:19:44 PM
BUD LIGHT ON CONTRACTION WORDS
click on USED CAR SALESMAN 
14141. PsychProf - 5/24/2001 3:34:42 PM
Where is everyone... 
14142. marjoribanks - 5/24/2001 4:12:49 PM
Fucking Manny Ramirez is right now the hands down most dangerous hitter I've ever seen. He shouldn't even be pitched to, just give the bastard first base automatically. If you do pitch to him he gets extra bases.
14143. don s. - 5/24/2001 4:35:59 PM
You said it, marj! Then again, I didn't read past the third word of your post.
14144. marjoribanks - 5/24/2001 4:38:56 PM
He is your type, isn't he, Don? But Everett is even meaner innit?
14145. marjoribanks - 5/24/2001 4:42:07 PM
I was going to post a top 5 list of the menacing baseball players I think Don is into. But have to run. Perhaps tomorrow, Don, I think I have the pattern figured out.
Like, say, Armando Benitez.
Ciao.
14146. Fielding - 5/24/2001 5:19:51 PM
I have one comment on the Vince Carter graduation thingy: critics of Carter need a little perspective. Basketball is a game. It does not save lives. It does not prevent famine, war, disease, and all manner of hardships.
The issue isn't whether he should get his degree, it is whether he should attend his graduation ceremony. He could have graduated without attending.
Most people, if they put a personal goal like attending a graduation ceremony ahead of a job they are paid to do, would get fired.
14147. ElliottRW - 5/24/2001 5:32:35 PM
Fielding
If my job tried to keep me away from my child's graduation ceremony, I would quit.
14148. Fielding - 5/24/2001 5:39:36 PM
Elliott:
I don't know what you do for a living, but some jobs don't have the same level of flexibility as others.
I agree that graduating from college is an admirable action by Vince Carter, but the whole thing seemed a little bit too much like a Nike commercial in the making for my taste.
14149. don s. - 5/24/2001 7:04:45 PM
Marj, not all of ’em are sullen and bulky. Some are sullen and lithe (Furcal). Or jovial and bulky (Agbayani). No Benitez. Tho’ I don't know why not. Hmmm.
14150. don s. - 5/25/2001 1:05:17 AM
By the way, marj, (off topic alert), have you been to Los Dos Molinos yet? (I think it's either 118 E. 19th St. or 119 E. 18th St. or maybe W. 19th/18th St.) Absolutely fan-fucking-tastic "New Mexican" cuisine. The family that runs it closed one of their Phoenix-area restaurants to open the new one in NYC. So you'd better appreciate it. Try anything with pork, preferably carne adobada. (Can you tell we just got back from there?)
14151. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 10:22:35 AM
Don...thanks for the Mexican tip...I will pass it to my Manhattan son. BTW, I love off topic posts...fits with Sportsbar patrons and geeks.
14152. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 10:28:21 AM
DOG BARKS, RAY BITES
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14153. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 10:31:41 AM
MIGHTY MOOSE
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14154. ElliottRW - 5/25/2001 10:49:53 AM
Thanks for the link, PP. My hat is off to the Bucks who played solid defense and shot the ball beautifully. Ray Allen was magnificent; the rest of the Bucks were ok.
I must say, though, that I've never seen a team get 20 offensive rebounds before and lose by 14. Very weird. Many of Iverson's shots were ugly bricks, and I recall at least one outright airball. I don't see that happening every night. Obviously, the Bucks need to do a better job on the boards. Of course, if the Sixers don't find an "answer" for Ray Allen it may not matter.
Get this: Dikembe had 20 boards and 18 points (12 of them free throws). Monster game, even for Dikembe. Only Ervin Johnson seems to be able to guard Dikembe without hacking him. Lord help the Bucks if Johnson fouls out early.
14155. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 10:57:25 AM
Iverson is hurting...if he recovers, it should be a good series. ABTL...anybody but the Lakers...actually, I despise calling LA the "Lakers"...as in Utah "Jazz"...how bout the LA Smog...or the Quakes...or the TrafficJams...
14156. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 11:07:22 AM
In honor of the weekend...
The 500: "Gentlemen, Start Your Coffins!"
14157. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 1:16:37 PM
More Sportsbar Patrons from The North... 
14158. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 2:46:38 PM
Least Successful Baseball Promotions
by David Letterman
June 29, 1998
1 Sticky seat night.
2 Get a free piece of that crappy gum that comes with baseball cards.
3 Win Tommy Lasorda's pre-Slimfast pants.
4 Ticket stub night.
5 Get hit in the face by a 90-mph fast ball.
6 Completely obstructed seating day.
7 Babe Ruth's last surviving hooker gives you the opportunity to catch the Clap.
8 Keep the beachball going or die.
.
9 Steinbrenner fires your ass.
10 "Nothin' but bunts."
14159. Frankster - 5/25/2001 3:04:06 PM
PP,
Ar you possibly hinting in post 14133 that maybeVince didn't attend class as frequently as most college jocks do ? Hee-hee!
Well, whether he did or didn't ( I haven't read up on his college career ), I'm kinda hoping some PR firm out there will exploit his graduation to the hilt. If they are going to feed impressionable heads with lines such as, "Just do it!", then why not include in the montage of jumpshots an athlete receiving a diploma ?
14160. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 3:22:38 PM
Preposterous: contrary to nature, reason, or common sense
14161. ElliottRW - 5/25/2001 4:41:02 PM
re: Vince Carter
Carter completed his degree by correspondence--one of the few options available to people who's jobs require them to travel frequently.
14162. PsychProf - 5/25/2001 4:49:32 PM
Elliot. It is indeed common...and I give him credit for completing his universities requirements. Distance learning, especially with computer usage, is a wave of the future. History will decide whether teaching and learning are significantly different on a computer vs with a Teacher(Professor). In any case, it's a big money maker for the University System(s), so it will be.
14163. marjoribanks - 5/25/2001 7:07:09 PM
Oooh, good restaurant recommendation Don. Thank you. It has been duly noted for immediate try-out. I'll tell you what I think in the next couple of weeks.
BTW, I detect the refinement in your baseball player appreciation. They have to be good-looking as well as fit the other criteria. Duh. Hell, even I find waterbug Furcal cute.
BTW, it's even money right now that Urbina will be in pinstripes by September.
14164. don s. - 5/26/2001 2:02:44 AM
Urbina in pinstripes. There's good & bad in that. Good: he'll be on TV a lot more. Bad: he won't likely be back to Phoenix after their trip in August (I hope he's still an Expo then...).
14165. Stumbo - 5/27/2001 2:42:48 AM
Arizona manager Bob Brenly, on Ben Davis' bunt single that broke up Kurt Schilling's perfect-game bid:
"That was just chicken[bleep]. To bunt in the 8th inning of a perfect game... Ben Davis is young and has a lot to learn about how the game is played. That was just uncalled for."
What a fucking asshole. It's uncalled for to use a perfectly legitimate way of getting on base, when you're a mere 3 runs down?
I mean, I've heard of learning to bend over and take one for the team. But bending over and taking one for the other team??
14166. Stumbo - 5/27/2001 2:43:40 AM
Arizona manager Bob Brenly, on Ben Davis' bunt single that broke up Kurt Schilling's perfect-game bid:
"That was just chicken[bleep]. To bunt in the 8th inning of a perfect game... Ben Davis is young and has a lot to learn about how the game is played. That was just uncalled for."
What a fucking asshole. It's uncalled for to use a perfectly legitimate way of getting on base, when you're a mere 3 runs down?
I mean, I've heard of learning to bend over and take one for the team. But bending over and taking one for the other team??
14167. Stumbo - 5/27/2001 3:02:27 AM
(I'll go to my deathbed swearing I only clicked once.)
14168. don s. - 5/27/2001 3:36:11 AM
(that's ok. just as long as you go soon.)
</needless bile>
14169. Stumbo - 5/27/2001 3:50:24 AM
How long ago did you open that tag, Don?
(I apologize, however, if my use of the phrase "bend over and take one" as a pejorative offended you. It was aimed at a mainstream audience.)
14170. Stumbo - 5/27/2001 4:20:16 AM
Correction, after checking the box score: a mere 2 runs down. Makes my point even stronger.
14171. Indiana Jones - 5/27/2001 10:16:05 AM
Regardless of the score, the idea that the other team has to let you make a record (or perfect game or whatever) at their expense is nuts. If I was losing by 20 and the other team was going for a perfect game, I'd try to at least ruin that. Sports and athletic accomplishments are about competition and rising to a challenge--not rolling over and playing dead.
Records (or whatever you want to call this) have to be earned. No one has ever hit five homeruns in a major league game. If a guy hits four, should the pitcher just lob him a gopher ball the next time up? Intentionally walking him just so he couldn't the record would be bush league, though, because then you're depriving him of the chance to earn it (assuming game strategy didn't dictate the walk).
No one stopped Arizona from making a play on that bunt.
14172. Indiana Jones - 5/27/2001 10:19:42 AM
"so he couldn't get the record"
Or in this case, intentionally getting beaned would have been kind of "chickenshit."
14173. Stumbo - 5/28/2001 2:12:21 AM
IJ:
Oh, I agree -- an achievement is tainted if you have to rely on the other team being "gentlemanly" and not going all out to stop you from getting it.
But here, it was the fact that it was a close game -- and that, therefore, what Brenly was demanding from his opponents was not simply misguided gentlemanliness, but out-and-out self-sacrifice -- that made the whole affair preposterous enough for me to bother posting a comment about it.
14174. don s. - 5/28/2001 2:12:43 AM
“I apologize, however, if my use of the phrase ‘bend over and take one’ as a pejorative offended you.”
Actually, that was my favorite part, pejorative or not. I just saw an opening and took it. Which brings us full-circle.
14175. don s. - 5/28/2001 2:15:23 AM
BTW, I agree that nobody owes Schilling a no-hitter, and it is completely wacko to expect it in a close game against a team you're battling for 1st place. If that Brenly quote is accurate, I endorse your scorn.
14176. Stumbo - 5/28/2001 2:20:50 AM
Note, of course, how this whole "gentlemanliness" thing is full of contradictions.
If you're up by a large margin, it's considered bad form for you to run up the score.
Unless you happen to be going for a high-score record -- in which case, it's bad form for your opponents to prevent you from doing so.
14177. Stumbo - 5/28/2001 2:30:16 AM
"If that Brenly quote is accurate..."
It's probably not quite verbatim -- I was quoting from memory, based on a clip I saw about 30 minutes earlier on ESPN -- but I'm pretty sure I didn't distort anything he said.
14178. Stumbo - 5/28/2001 2:48:34 AM
OK, here's an audio version of that clip -- .wav, 88k
14179. PsychProf - 5/28/2001 9:29:25 AM
NEEDED A MERCY RULE FOR THIS ONE
click on photo 
14180. ElliottRW - 5/28/2001 11:45:44 AM
I am totally pissed off at the Lakers. It seems evident now that they could have won well over 60 games, maybe even 70 in the regular season if they hadn't been so goddamlazyselfishwhinyetc. They've just told the world with a giant exclaimation point that they think the regular NBA season is a warm-up.
Go Bucks.
14181. ElliottRW - 5/28/2001 4:29:13 PM
Bucks forward Scott Williams, who figures playing the best tends to bring out one's best, said he was glad Iverson would play.
''I like him on the court,'' Williams said. ''We know what to expect from that team a little more when they have Allen Iverson in the lineup. It's not to say that he hurts their team, he obviously helps their team. But it's just a little bit more of what we have seen from them.''
Interesting argument. Brown should definetely consider benching Iverson for the rest of the series so as to confuse the opposition. Or maybe he should bench all his starters--that would really give his team a new look. Come to think of it, if the Bucks win, maybe Phil Jackson should plan on benching Shaq. I'll be Scott Williams would have trouble tying his shoes if Jackson did that.
14182. Greystoke - 5/28/2001 8:41:12 PM
ElliotRW
"They've just told the world with a giant exclaimation point that they think the regular NBA season is a warm-up."
Since the playoffs last from April until June, it seems quite reasonable to treat the regular season as a warm-up or an exhibition. Don't blame the Lakers. Blame the NBA for letting almost everyone into the playoffs.
14183. labwabbit - 5/28/2001 8:48:22 PM
Don't blame the Lakers. Blame the NBA for letting almost everyone into the playoffs.
Ditto for hockey, football, and wrestling.
14184. Greystoke - 5/28/2001 8:50:08 PM
Indy and Stumbo,
I agree with your take on Brenly's moronic comments. Schilling said something similar. Just because a guy takes a perfect game into the 8th inning, it doesn't mean he is "entitled" to complete it. Sheesh!
I wish Ben Davis would have taken a more combative position, rather than bleating that "Tony Gwynn said I did the right thing." Well of course you did the right thing, Ben. Tell the Diamondbacks where to go and how to get there.
14185. Greystoke - 5/28/2001 8:51:37 PM
labwabbit
"Ditto for hockey, football, and wrestling."
Wrestling?
14186. labwabbit - 5/28/2001 9:29:40 PM
Grey...
Threw that in for perspective. All is exhibition and show...for money...more money. Diluted champions. What really fries the berries on one's ass-hairs is baseball. After 162 games, they still need a wild-card? Hockey really takes the cake on greed and farcity. What is the purpose of all the "regular" season games when 3 months of friggin playoffs are needed to weed out the champions from all the playoff participants...and into June no less.
I really get into playoff-fever while on a jet-ski in my speedos, and where the only freakin' ice I'm interested in is what's in the drink my caddy just handed me.
Bullshit. If after a whole season of mediocrity and tediousness is not enough...they have to have them do it all again in the playoffs. I haven't bought a season ticket anywhere since 1981.
Something f***ed-up when the best of hockey is played in the summer, and the best of baseball is played almost into the winter.
Bah!
14187. labwabbit - 5/28/2001 9:33:25 PM
..oh ya...and when the worst team into the playoffs win because the guys who fought to the top during the reg-season lost their best goalie/pitcher to a cheap shot in the last game of the season by some bottom end loser who had nothing to lose yet had made it into the "playoffs".
14188. Stumbo - 5/29/2001 12:15:21 AM
Lab:
At least, the NHL is improving, in this regard. These days, 16 of 30 teams make the playoffs. Just a few years ago, it was 16 of 21.
14189. msgreer - 5/29/2001 8:49:46 AM
Prof
You've got mail.
14190. Stumbo - 5/29/2001 10:52:41 AM
Random stat...
Home run totals for Boston/NYY games at Fenway Park, 2000-01:
Yankees: 19
Red Sox: 0
14191. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 11:22:45 AM
Welcome back to Lab...Stumbo...great stat.
14192. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 11:28:02 AM
CASEY AT THE CART
click on photo 
14193. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 11:30:58 AM
BORN IN BROOKLYN
click on paul loduca 
14194. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 11:33:24 AM
NO ANTLERS
click on photo 
14195. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 11:38:29 AM
0-5 PITCHER RIPPED HIM IN THE PRESS
click on john boles 
14196. Stumbo - 5/29/2001 11:46:19 AM
So, now, the Supreme Court takes it upon itself to decide what is and what isn't fundamental to the game of golf.
What's next -- striking down the DH rule for violating the equal-protection clause?
14197. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 11:48:11 AM
Stumbo...the part of the game that relates to work conditions.
14198. labwabbit - 5/29/2001 11:52:15 AM
PP
Hello...thanks.
Good to be home. All I found myself saying on the last leg of the flight back was, "What Happened?"
14199. greystoke - 5/29/2001 11:57:24 AM
labwabbit
"What really fries the berries on one's ass-hairs ..."
Mmmmmmm. Do you have a recipe for that?
14200. Stumbo - 5/29/2001 12:00:35 PM
The whole fucking ADA should be scrapped. The very idea that A should be forced to go out of his way to accommodate B's problems has no place in a free country.
But that's for another thread.
14201. labwabbit - 5/29/2001 12:03:04 PM
grey
Mmmmmmm. Do you have a recipe for that?
There are many I understand, crumbs or batter is a matter of taste...but the secret is in how the crop is nurtured.
14202. 19RBI - 5/29/2001 12:44:46 PM
PP - Soon we'll find Craig Grebeck ripping into Boston's hitting coach, eh? Although - have to admit...wouldn't mind seeing good ol "one y" get a one way ticket out of Beantown. Meat with eyes.
Everett hitting better, Schourek still music to opposing team's eyes....
14203. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 12:51:19 PM
Good to see ya 19RBI...where ya been.
14204. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 12:56:30 PM
Stumbo...we let you in, No? hahahaha...actually, this is a good place to discuss Casey and his wheels...anybody got an opine?
14205. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 1:02:37 PM
19 RBI..." Schourek still music to opposing team's eyes..." Very well put for one of such pronounced callow youth.
14206. 19RBI - 5/29/2001 1:29:21 PM
As if callow wasn't bad enough....it's now a callow that's rather pronounced. Even the most immature can see that folks batting from the right absolutely tatoo Schourek, and any pitch other than his sweeping breaking ball is well "seen" by lefties. Bring back Joe Sambito.....
14207. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 1:40:32 PM
Tony "the Horse" Fossas comes to mind...
14208. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 1:46:21 PM
As a sevice for my Sportsbar patrons...
JOB SEARCH SURVIVAL CENTER
14209. PsychProf - 5/29/2001 2:16:14 PM
WELCOME BACK BIG MAC
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14210. msgreer - 5/29/2001 4:04:57 PM
Stumbo
Ever the humanitarian, aren't you? I don't think this ruling by the US SC is going to throw a wrench in sports. As Prof said, it has to do with the conditions of the working place, that's all. I mean should Casey have to play golf with Special Olympics? Afer all he was good enough to qualify for the PGA. I hear he is getting weaker due to his degenerative disease. When he can't keep up with the big boys, he will bow out.
14211. ElliottRW - 5/29/2001 4:48:52 PM
Stumbo
The ADA, despite being the right thing to do (it has extended the dignity of work to millions -- a gift of immesurable value), is also a smart thing to do. Consider a disabled person who wants to be a lawyer: for society to fully exploit his talents, he needs access to court houses, law offices, the library, jail, law and other schools, public transportation, etc. Suppose that public institutions all accomodate this person. It would still be insane for him to pursue a law degree if only one law office could accomodate him. That would be like a firm making a bunch of neon "Budweiser" signs and then trying to sell them to Budweiser.
So, for the system to work, both public institutions and private concerns have to play ball. When congress passed the law, they were betting that the total benefits of employing the disabled would exceed the total costs. The jury is still out, I suppose, but I'm willing to wait and see.
14212. msgreer - 5/29/2001 4:52:02 PM
Elliot
My daughter has a job, pays into SS and Medicare. The challenged can and do contribute.
You are quite eloquent with your posts.
14213. ElliottRW - 5/29/2001 5:53:48 PM
msgreer -- thanks. I like the ADA; but I'm uncertain how it applies to sports. Unlike real jobs, sports are peculiar in that they are tests. They don't produce anything other than winners and losers. I think a distinction has to be drawn between the rules that define the contest (hit the ball over the net) and the rules that serve secondary goals (everyone wears white pants). The first class of rules cannot be changed without distorting the game; the second class can be fiddled with for various reasons and can reasonably be interpreted as work rules.
14214. don s. - 5/30/2001 12:38:10 AM
PP, thanks for that pic of LoDuca (marj, add him to the list).
14215. Stumbo - 5/30/2001 12:45:42 AM
MSG:
We're talking about professional sports, here, to which humanitarianism doesn't exactly apply.
It's one thing to feel sorry for C.M. because of his medical condition, per se. But why is it more of a cosmic injustice if he is unable to earn millions hitting a little white ball, than if I am unable to do so (due, of course, to my own physical limitations)? Why is his inability to play well under the current PGA Tour rules morally different from mine?
Oh, and merely uttering the term "workplace" does not automatically make a case for government intervention. Being able to play golf for a living is hardly a basic human right.
Elliott:
"The ADA [...] has extended the dignity of work to millions..."
For starters, it can't possibly be millions. Please point me to any data supporting this claim.
In any case: if the value to a company of having a specific employee exceeds the costs of accommodating him, then sooner or later it will hire him. If it doesn't, then forcing the company to foot the bill is immoral -- if anything, "society" should directly pay for those accommodations.
When it comes to sports -- as you noted -- the situation is different; certainly the Martin debate is not focused on the financial cost of providing him with a cart (I'm sure he'd gladly pay for it himself, if need be). But I should point out that your distinction between primary and secondary rules is flawed, since we have not a dichotomy but a continuum. Does the out-of-bounds rule discriminate against someone with Tourette's syndrome? Does the fact that greens aren't shaped like funnels discriminate against those with the yips?
14216. seadate - 5/30/2001 1:06:42 AM
He is a professional, played with Tiger in college, and earned his PGA card.
14217. seadate - 5/30/2001 1:08:00 AM
So comparing his disability to the yips is ludicrous.
14218. Stumbo - 5/30/2001 1:09:11 AM
Sea:
Correct. And your point is...?
14219. Stumbo - 5/30/2001 1:13:05 AM
Sorry, cross-post. (It would help if you spoke in complete paragraphs).
Pros -- even highly successful ones -- can develop the yips too, you know. Just ask Johnny Miller.
14220. Fielding - 5/30/2001 10:51:32 AM
Lazy stadium night
Catfish on the mound.
"Strike three," the umpire said,
Batter have to go back and sit down.
Catfish, million-dollar-man,
Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.
Used to work on Mr. Finley's farm
But the old man wouldn't pay
So he packed his glove and took his arm
An' one day he just ran away.
Catfish, million-dollar-man,
Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.
Come up where the Yankees are,
Dress up in a pinstripe suit,
Smoke a custom-made cigar,
Wear an alligator boot.
Catfish, million-dollar-man,
Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.
Carolina born and bred,
Love to hunt the little quail.
Got a hundred-acre spread,
Got some huntin' dogs for sale.
Catfish, million-dollar-man,
Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.
Reggie Jackson at the plate
Seein' nothin' but the curve,
Swing too early or too late
Got to eat what Catfish serve.
Catfish, million-dollar-man,
Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.
Even Billy Martin grins
When the Fish is in the game.
Every season twenty wins
Gonna make the Hall of Fame.
Catfish, million-dollar-man,
Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.
14221. don s. - 5/30/2001 11:16:33 AM
If I change my handle to “Baserunning,” can I post poetry, too?
14222. don s. - 5/30/2001 11:19:06 AM
P.S. I bailed after the 14th inning last night. Now I'm glad I did.
14223. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 1:23:58 PM
Like old times with Don and Stumbo here...I wish you guys would post more...the SportsBar needs some arguein...
14224. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 1:26:41 PM
FOR FRANK AND ANY PADRE FANS
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14225. labwabbit - 5/30/2001 1:28:54 PM
No it don't...
14226. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 1:35:48 PM
COMPASSION OR CATASTROPHE
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14227. 19RBI - 5/30/2001 1:39:30 PM
I've got to agree with ElliottRW:
"I think a distinction has to be drawn between the rules that define the contest (hit the ball over the net) and the rules that serve secondary goals (everyone wears white pants)."
When the Cincinatti Reds finally lifted their "no facial hair" rule when Greg Vaughn joined the team in the late 90's, there was (relatively speaking) little uproar over the event. Given that the Reds are baseball's oldest franchise, one might argue that the rule was just as historic as the PGA rule on golf carts.
Granted, the presence of facial hair has no effect on player fatigue.....but given that PGA players aren't even carrying their own bags, I find it hard to believe fatigue is as big a player as some would have us believe.
The CM decision, I believe, clearly applies to a secondary rule. He makes the cut (literally and figuratively) when it comes to shooting well in PGA competition.
As far as possibly "opening the door" for disabled people in other sports.....if ya can't take a hit from Bruce Smith, can't hit a Pedro Martinez fastball (well, who can?), or can't endure an Al McGiness slapshot, you won't be playing.....even if the Supreme Court TELLS you to.
Sox bats coming alive tonight?
14228. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 1:49:02 PM
"Hope springeth for callow youth and ignorami"
Craig Grebeck
14229. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 2:01:24 PM
UMPH FOR DEFENSE
click on bobby orr 
14230. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:12:51 PM
I don't care what the so-called purists say, or bemoan. This Lakers team is a juggernaut of eternal basketball proportions, and in the end the best squad ever. And the Shaq-Kobe combo is the best one-two in the history of the game. And Shaq is the single most dominant player ever.
If you had to pick one player in NBA history who could win a game by himself, it would have to be Shaq. And Kobe is making a case for being in the top 5 all-time himself.
If these two stay together, count on the Lakers pulling off something like the 10 championships in 12 years or whatever it was the celtics of Russell's years did.
14231. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 2:17:38 PM
Banks...what "purists"?
14232. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:22:26 PM
No one specific, Prof. Just a general swipe at the commentators around, who generally are heard to bemoan the uppity players of today, the declining standards in the NBA, the glory days of Cousy and Havlicek etc. In other words, Peter Vescey, I guess.
He's on the list of my least favorite sports guys, along with yapping Pekingese Tim McCarver and giantheaded midget Bob Costas.
14233. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:25:43 PM
One guy who is a bit too intense, but coming into my list of likes, is Jim Rome. I saw a very intriguing, good-hearted, interview he did with Carlos Delgado a couple of weeks ago and he did a phenomenal job.
Delgado, by the way, was highly articulate, highly intelligent, and highly insightful and generous in his comments about baseball and his competitors. A delight to listen to (and an absolute monster of the field) and fast becoming one of my sporting heroes. He raved a lot about Ichiro, by the way.
14234. labwabbit - 5/30/2001 2:26:04 PM
Message # 14229
My favorite, all-time, without question, sport's hero...
A very significant reason I took up hockey personally...(although my playing style was more likened to Terry O'Reilly. What a joy to watch Orr was. A TRUE inspiration unlike no other to this day, especially in the present world of hockey.
14235. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 2:31:39 PM
Banks...the Lakers are an arrogant lot, and it is that very arrogance combined with incredible talent, that rubs some the wrong way. For me, I am an old Knicks fan with a Yankee type dislike for the Lakers.
14236. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:34:13 PM
Oh, I read two sports books over the weekend, when I had an afternoon to kill.
One was Zimmer's book. Entertaining throughout, full of anecdotes about the man's astounding ability to be there at virtually every big baseball moment you can think of. Unique perspective on the game and the players. Nice anecdotes about current and recent Yankees. And some personal takes - Zim loves Girardi, thinks Joey D was classless (without actually saying so outright).
The other was much more philosophical and interesting, Angell's book on Cone. Fascinating psychological portrait of a real gamer, interesting view on minor leagues and 80's ball. Particularly revealing stuff on the Mets and then on the inner workings of the Yankees. The superior book of the two.
Great Steinbrenner anecdotes in the latter. Once asked McDowell before a game ' And you, you little Stanford fuck, are you going to be ready for the game'? And once came up to dog Kenny Rogers before a playoff game with a strawberry and ' See what this is? It's a strawberry, and you'll be back on your daddy's farm picking strawberries unless you get it done today."
baseball books generally suck. These were okay for one swift read, specially the second one.
14237. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 2:35:36 PM
Terry O"Reilly was one tough skater...don't mess with the LabWabbit.
14238. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 2:36:34 PM
FOR LABWABBIT
click on terry o"reilly 
14239. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:37:20 PM
What is arrogance, Prof? In this case, it's in the eye of the beholder. I'm a diehard Knicks fan. But I recognize that Shaq/Kobe are motherfucking monsters of the game. In a cartoonish way, they're bigger and better than anyone else. If they come to play, there is no one in the league who can ever beat them. Next year, they could go undefeated. That's not a joke. They could.
Of course they won't. But that's because they're young and egotistical and like having fun and basketball is only part of life for them. Good for them, i say, especially if they then buckle down (as they are now) come the playoffs.
14240. labwabbit - 5/30/2001 2:41:32 PM
PP
Haha. I wasn't perhaps as prolific a scorer but I did wreak havoc in the corners and crease and was more often than not part of the reason we focused a lot of time on 4-on-4 hockey offensive plans.
That is also where my nickname 'Rabbit' became best known.
14241. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:48:55 PM
'Nother good anecdote - Zim takes over the ballclub for a few games while Torre is undergoing cancer treatment (the time of the 'fat pussy toad' comment). He holds one of his interminable meetings. After a couple of minutes, he admonished staff and says "if anyone here thinks at all that they've done as good a job as possible, they can leave" expecting shamefaced attendance only. Zim gets up, leaves, goes home to play golf. George rants at others for a while, then turns to continue about the starters and relievers to Stottlemeyre. Stot says "I knew I should have left when Zim did." George sputters "you're all ganging up on me."
Turns out, by the way, that George and Zim are old buddies.
14242. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 2:49:59 PM
Sorry, GEORGE holds another interminable meeting....
Prof, I'm outta here, I've done my bit for yer thread.
14243. PsychProf - 5/30/2001 2:53:02 PM
Banks...grab a pickle for the long afternoon in the Cab...
14244. OhioSTOPAS - 5/30/2001 4:03:40 PM
My two cents on the Casey Martin case: While the setting is unusual, and you can argue about whether the PGA Tour is, legally, a "place of public accommodation", I think this case presented EXACTLY the type of situation the Americans With Disabilities Act is supposed to address.
Here's someone who can do the job with the mildest bit of accommodation (a golf cart), but that accommodation is refused becuase it's a little out of the ordinary and the powers that be don't like the way it looks. Good for the Supreme Court.
14245. Frankster - 5/30/2001 4:13:16 PM
Thanks, PP, for the Klesko link. Yep, dem Padres are seemingly playing above their collective heads at this moment.
And yep, I agree with those posters who basically said that no opposing player "owes" Shilling, or any pitcher for that matter, a perfect game. All this talk being bandied about "revenge" at Davis when the Padres show up in Arizona next weekend should have the "commisioner's" attention.
14246. labwabbit - 5/30/2001 4:13:18 PM
Next docket:
Should golf carts with air-conditioning, cd player, bar, or hired driver be allowed? How 'bout one with hole GPS locators? Wind reports at precise moment of tee-off?
Hey how about eliminating those guys who carry the umbrellas? True test of courage and real manhood comes in facing light rain. I think they should go as far as taking their own clubs out of the bag...that can be construed as a measureable use of energy that may just be the difference between dropping one or riding one off the green during extra-holes.
Sheesh.
14247. labwabbit - 5/30/2001 4:18:37 PM
Somehow golf just doesn't bring to mind the image of an athlete.
14248. labwabbit - 5/30/2001 4:20:39 PM
...any more than playing chess outdoors or getting out/in of a hammock.
14249. Frankster - 5/30/2001 4:21:26 PM
Lab,
They are not. One might as well call one well versed in Nintendo an athlete.
By the way, welcome back! :)
14250. Stumbo - 5/30/2001 6:31:01 PM
Ohio:
Who decides what's a "mildest bit of accommodation," and what isn't?
The PGA Tour conducts a competition the rules of which require three things: (1) driving the ball, (2) putting, and (3) walking in between. Why is allowing someone unable to walk a few miles to use a machine that does it for him any "milder" than allowing someone unable to putt straight to use a machine that would do that?
If the PGA Tour declares that, for the purposes of their game, #3 is as mandatory as #1 and #2 (in fact, more so than #2, since someone could, in theory, hole out from off the green 18 times per round), you might find that silly -- but it's their game, so it should be up to them. If you don't like the rules of this particular game, go play another somewhere else.
14251. OhioSTOPAS - 5/30/2001 10:42:41 PM
How many strokes do you get to deduct from your score for good walking?
14252. Stumbo - 5/30/2001 10:51:16 PM
Huh?
14253. MsIvoryTower - 5/30/2001 10:59:03 PM
Somehow golf just doesn't bring to mind the image of an athlete.
Woods credits his ability to play in top form regardless of where he is in the world, or when he got there, to his superb physical conditioning.
And believe it or not, student golf athletes not only must walk the course in play but also carry their own equipment. Just because the big boys have caddies doesn't mean they didn't spend years carrying their own bag while walking the course.
I think the Martin decision was a mistake. The rule requiring all players to walk is not a secondary one, especially when 36 holes are played in one day due to canceled rounds in tournaments (not at all unusual). Walking then does add to the physical stresses the players all must meet.
I hope this decision means that wheelchair bound basketball players get to play on professional teams, I mean, why do the players need to run?
14254. msgreer - 5/31/2001 7:34:23 AM
What was that I heard last night? A RED SOX WIN OVER THE YANKEES? sorry diva.
14255. labwabbit - 5/31/2001 12:40:39 PM
Ms
Of course I agree with that perspective, but only IN that perspective. Certainly it helps to be as healthy as possible, particularly in the areas for which parts of the anatomy that are needed and used are in good form.
To offer an absurd induction, one could look at knitting as an ability to control hand/eye coordination- repetitively for extended periods of time. Tough for me it would be. It is a skill requiring concentration and coordination involving certain body parts. Now let's say she twisted her own fibers into yarn on a spinning wheel. More coordination of hand/eye mechanics involving more body parts working in practiced/skilled unison. Is this not athletic. (Of course if she were arthritic this would lessen the effectivity of skills with less than superb conditioning.) What if she were competing with a neighbor in quality and quantity. Would this competition put these skills to test in contest? Superior conditioning would be required to win yes? Now what if she went out to wrestle with the sheep so that she could shear them, bale it, and haul it to the house. Is this not atleticism? Of course it is. It is using one's mental and motor skills to the highest level in order to gain an end superior over competitors.
Bet you won't see this on wide world of sports anytime soon though.
14256. labwabbit - 5/31/2001 12:45:33 PM
What I'm saying, is as far as physical tests, or feats of mental acuity, anything can be athletically related. But I would have loved to get an opportunity to play a 2-3 minute shift on the ice with Mr. Tiger to test his superb conditioning. Would like to see him last a whole hockey game. Walking 18, 36, or even 100 holes would seem like a vacation to him after that....as it does to me. Hand and eye coordination by trained instinct on split-second intervals is also on a different level than standing over a stationary ball, with all the time in the world to think about it. Made more difficult I imagine by being out of breath walking to the green eh?
Would there be any question whether or not a person with any physical handicap could play hockey in the big league? In golf, as in knitting, if a person has trouble walking it will not detract from how they get there...by cart, or by wheelchair to be able to perform, and compete with the world's best.
Ha, I admit, this is a pretty convoluted way to establish why I think golf doesn't produce an image of athleticism in my mind. Perhaps you might agree to that readily eh?
14257. theDiva - 5/31/2001 12:54:32 PM
MsG
Yes, now their ace is 1-3 against us and they're only half a game back. Pretty heady stuff for the Sox, considering it's nearly June.
(heeheehee...love you, honey!)
14258. 19RBI - 5/31/2001 1:04:40 PM
Oh, Deev....1-3? With a record of 7-1, there might be just a little hyperbole involved in ascribing two extra losses to the man.
If you want to accurately sarcastic, you'd be better off citing Carl Everett's ability to foul a ball or two off last night.....:).
14259. labwabbit - 5/31/2001 1:22:31 PM
(Where's da bird when you need one?)
14260. labwabbit - 5/31/2001 1:24:03 PM
...and Hi Frank...good to be back ayuh.
14261. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 1:59:22 PM
The bird is on vacation, but I know for a fact that he has no time for 19RBI and his "like", so he sez.
14262. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 2:08:13 PM
HIGH NOON ATMOSPHERE
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14263. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 2:10:14 PM
14264. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 2:41:50 PM
BUCKS CAUGHT IN THE HEADLIGHTS
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14265. ElliottRW - 5/31/2001 2:50:23 PM
Thanks for the Bucks link, PP. Apt title.
Last night's game was tough for me to watch. But I remain optimistic. Having watched the Bucks throughout the playoffs, I know that they play best when they are having fun. Last night all the Bucks looked anxious (except, oddly, Tim Thomas). They looked that way in the Charlotte series, too, after losing game 5. Against the Hornets, they were able to set their frustration aside and play happy in games 6 and 7. We'll see if they can do that again.
14266. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 3:22:37 PM
14267. labwabbit - 5/31/2001 3:35:36 PM
Enjoyed that link PP...
14268. Frankster - 5/31/2001 3:55:40 PM
PP,
A local sportswriter started his column this way today:
If Bob Brenly had been running England during World War II, he wouldn't have sent so much as a canoe to Dunkirk. True to his code, no way he'd break up Germany's perfect game...Baseball players going moral ? Drugs. Steroids. Multiple marriages. Spousal abuse. And they're suddenly concerned about a perfect game ? There are players out there who don't know who Jackie Robinson was, let alone an unwritten code. Stupid, unwritten stuff went out with the speakeasy...
14269. Frankster - 5/31/2001 3:56:53 PM
Funny stuff. I always enjoy his take on things.
14270. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 3:57:41 PM
Frank...Brenley's position is absurd.
14271. don s. - 5/31/2001 4:01:19 PM
Brenly may be doltish, but he has managed to lead a bunch of geezers into 1st place. That must count for something.
14272. PsychProf - 5/31/2001 4:03:49 PM
Don...counts for a lot. I just don't agree with his "how baseball is played" bullshit.
14273. Frankster - 5/31/2001 4:09:52 PM
Don,
A local sports talk show host posits that Brenly is just doing this for the support and cohesiveness of his team, something apparently missing under Sholwalter(sp?).
He does have them playing well, though.
14274. don s. - 5/31/2001 5:14:52 PM
I'm actually kind of surprised anyone's still talking about it.
How 'bout that 18-inning game, huh?
14275. Frankster - 5/31/2001 7:41:52 PM
Don,
I'm actually kind of surprised anyone's still talking about it.
Talk is they -- the Diamondbacks -- are going to throw at Davis this weekend when the teams meet in Phoenix. I hope that isn't the case, but if it is, that heavy fines and suspensions follow these players actions.
No one would like to see a perfect game thrown more than me, so I can understand why some players and fans feel as they do, but all this talk about "unwritten rules" in this case just doesn't pass the mustard. The object is to get on base to put the team in position to win.
...I can still remember Andy Ashby throwing one into the eight inning a few years ago against a tough Atlanta hitting team, only to have Andruw Jones drop a soft liner right in front of a charging Tony Gwynn in right field. It was heartbreaking to say the least, and I don't remember any coach or Padre player dissing Jones for not preserving Ashby's gem at that point.
The object is to win, and not fold because of how an opposing team's pitcher is dominating your batters.
And, on that 18 inning game, what were both teams using, rubber bats ? Well, look at the bright side: Both teams collective ERA should drop a couple of points, huh ?
14276. MsIvoryTower - 5/31/2001 10:11:00 PM
Ha, I admit, this is a pretty convoluted way to establish why I think golf doesn't produce an image of athleticism in my mind. Perhaps you might agree to that readily eh?
Sorry, I don't, not unless you also suggest that baseball players also aren't "real" athletes; or polo players.
That hockey, football and a few other so-called sports require top physical strength and conditioning doesn't mean that all do. So, shall we separate the "hard" sports from the soft and declare that those are the ones where physical handicaps are allowed, while in the former they're not?
And unlike an employer discriminating against the handicapped for lack of willingness to make "small accomodations" for their equal productivity, a sports association offers up entertainment, and requires physical skills the majority of people don't possess.
I don't agree that because golf doesn't qualify for a "real sport" in your book, that the association is any less legitimate for creating rules that favor certain physical capabilities than any other "sport".
14277. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 11:28:34 AM
Ah...so sweet to have Missie stop by for a glass of merlot. There is no "off-topic" at PP's...at least such has not happened yet. Speak yer mind, civil or not...if yer bad, no free beer.
14278. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 11:45:18 AM
SOUR GRAPES OR TV RATINGS?
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14279. ElliottRW - 6/1/2001 11:55:08 AM
SOUR GRAPES OR TV RATINGS
Yes. Both.
The sour grapes are because the officials are not unfair in the sense that they are not calling fouls with obvious bias to one team or another. But the TV ratings charge is legitimate--no doubt the NBA commissioner is rooting hard for Phily. Whether or not the officiating style (high tolerance of aggression) is a deliberate act of sabotage I can't say. The Bucks have definitely been hurt by the absense of touch foul calls; but I don't see how this lack of calls has been biased in its application.
14280. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 12:11:43 PM
Haha Ms...I guess some things never change.
Your ability to understand what you read reflects the tel-tale temperance of a budding law student indeed.
Sorry, I don't,[agree]...
The "ready agreement" was in reference to the "convolution" of my explanatory technique woman.
That hockey, football and a few other so-called sports require top physical strength and conditioning doesn't mean that all do. So, shall we separate the "hard" sports from the soft and declare that those are the ones where physical handicaps are allowed, while in the former they're not?
I thought you might agree with me on that, as long as you thought you weren't...as follows:
"What I'm saying, is as far as physical tests, or feats of mental acuity, anything can be athletically related. "
The difference is could any aid be available or effective to a "hard" athlete?
I don't agree that because golf doesn't qualify for a "real sport" in your book, that the association is any less legitimate for creating rules that favor certain physical capabilities than any other "sport".
Ahhh...but you do agree in concept...as follows:
"Would there be any question whether or not a person with any physical handicap could play hockey in the big league?..." (and in the same sentence; "In golf, as in knitting, if a person has trouble walking it will not detract from how they get there...by cart, or by wheelchair to be able to perform, and compete with the world's best."
The tools that are needed for the skill set are not affected measurably (outside argument of tradition), by someone walking leisurely to the next tee, or getting there by other means. Superb conditioning, (other than mental), is not a requirement as is in the level of most athletic contests.
14281. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 12:12:33 PM
The difference between real athleticism, (in my book of course), and things like knitting and golf is what type of aids to physical handicaps COULD be made available to put someone on a level playing field with the big leagues. Hockey per se, versus playing golf (cart, wheelchair etc) or knitting? What possible aids to physical handicaps could be made available for real sports? (Other than a couple of extra wraps of tape around that ankle or wrist, or a shock-absorbing cast to protect a severe injury.)
You either have it or you don't in hockey, football, and yes...baseball! While in golf, certain tools can be implemented that can level the playing field more readily...without any tangible advantage being provided as a direct result of that aid.
Now tell me how much you missed me too...
14282. Stumbo - 6/1/2001 12:24:36 PM
Another amusing Red Sox stat:
Last night's 8th inning featured the first RBI by a Boston pinch-hitter, this season -- 51 games into it.
(I suppose this sounds worse than it is, to someone more used to following the NL. But still.)
... And how did it happen? Bases-loaded HBP.
14283. Dusty - 6/1/2001 12:43:24 PM
Stumbo
Cool stat, but is it so bad? Could be a sign that starters are hitting, as opposed to having some decent fielding players not hitting so well.
In the cool stat area, I noted that only four teams have scored at least 50 more runs than they've allowed. Two of these teams are in first place, one is a half game out of first, but the other team is in last place.
Name the team.
Surely this doesn't happen often?
14284. Stumbo - 6/1/2001 1:14:33 PM
Colorado.
No, I wouldn't imagine this happens very often. But they're only a half-game below .500, though. (Tough division, that NL West.)
14285. Stumbo - 6/1/2001 1:19:25 PM
(Of course, the fact that they play in a hitter's stadium contributes to the magnitude of the differential, be it positive or negative.)
14286. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 1:51:36 PM
14287. MsIvoryTower - 6/1/2001 2:11:01 PM
Lab
I missed you terribly.
I understood your points. I simply don't agree with this statement:
While in golf, certain tools can be implemented that can level the playing field more readily...without any tangible advantage being provided as a direct result of that aid.
14288. MsIvoryTower - 6/1/2001 2:14:41 PM
You either have it or you don't in hockey, football, and yes...baseball!
Hockey I'll grant you. Football depends on what you're talking about defensive players or offensive players. How many offensive linemen are just simply big and fat? Big enough to stop a train. Is that athleticism or just genetics? Couldn't one simply pad oneself enough to do the same thing?
Baseball! I'm reminded of those old pictures of the pitcher on the mound, gut hanging over his pants, rubbing his hands with spit before letting loose with his throw.
14289. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 2:18:54 PM
Missie...I guess you will have to take my word on this, but most if not all of those fat guys are extraordinary athletes...Lolich, Wells, Fielder etc...indeed, Cecil Fielder could easily dunk a basketball.
14290. MsIvoryTower - 6/1/2001 2:20:45 PM
PP
HA!
I won't take your word for it since you're allowing my beloved game to be so maligned.....
14291. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 2:23:08 PM
Ah...I see...well, IMHO you are right. Golf is as much a sport as chess, and I'm here to say it.
14292. MsIvoryTower - 6/1/2001 2:24:56 PM
See????
That's so unfair.....
And you definitely made me laugh.
14293. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 2:25:52 PM
I miss Snod...you?
14294. MsIvoryTower - 6/1/2001 2:27:05 PM
Terribly....
I don't even know if I have his current email address, so long has it been since I've heard from him.....
14295. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 2:29:29 PM
Ms
My position really has no defense other than along perpective lines.
Nevertheless, it is good to be yakking sports in the bar with you. I'm sure if the spirits become too high the barkeep will shut us off and force that thick, black, two-day old goop he calls coffee that he keeps out back, on us.
I've learned to avoid that, ...and that turbin-toting cabbie he always uses. Never a pleasant experience.
14296. Frankster - 6/1/2001 2:29:43 PM
What became of Irv, and also Jadegold ? I thought the latter was here for good again ?
14297. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 2:31:55 PM
...and hell, I didn't even get to the DH in baseball application/interpretation.
14298. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 2:38:22 PM
Irv is busy making money at his thriving corporate empire
BALISTUFF .
14299. Frankster - 6/1/2001 2:45:12 PM
Thanks, PP. Neat stuff, by the way.
I wonder if his cybercafe is outfitted with the stuff ? ;-)
14300. theDiva - 6/1/2001 3:02:32 PM
"14258. 19RBI - 5/31/01 6:04:40 PM
Oh, Deev....1-3? With a record of 7-1, there might be just a little hyperbole involved in ascribing two extra losses to the man."
Look here, you young upstart. That's about enough lip outta you.
Hennyway, the stat is courtesy of ESPN's broadcasters assigned to Wednesday night's game.
14301. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 3:08:58 PM
An interoffice softball game was held every year between the marketing and support staff of one company. The support staff whipped the marketing department soundly. To show just "how" the marketing department earns their keep, they posted this memo on the bulletin board after the game:
"The Marketing Department is pleased to announce that for the 2000 Softball Season, we came in 2nd place, having lost but one game all year. The Support Department, however, had a rather dismal season, as they won only one game."
14302. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 3:12:22 PM
Hi Deev...if you watch the Yanks-Braves on June 9 look for you me, Ms PP and two sons, four rows from the field between home and third, cheering for the Braves...
14303. theDiva - 6/1/2001 3:13:47 PM
labwab
Haw!
Prof
Don't even. I may die. You got seats that good? How great!
14304. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 3:13:47 PM
Haha..look for "you"...I guess I want you there with us...the unconscious never lies.
14305. theDiva - 6/1/2001 3:14:23 PM
I would love it, believe me. Now that would be a good time.
14306. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 3:18:39 PM
Seadate and his sister dropped by at the Mote Sportsbar recently... 
14307. theDiva - 6/1/2001 3:20:10 PM
how cute!
14308. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 3:32:40 PM
Yep cute...
But who's that homely guy she's with?
14309. Frankster - 6/1/2001 3:37:45 PM
Is that your sister, Seadate ? Really ?
What are you guys drinking, by the way ?
14310. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 3:39:27 PM
Frank...she is holding Seadate's bottle of Ripple.
14311. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 3:40:28 PM
Frank...
Don't know what's she's drinkin'...but if sea is that close I'd estimate it's her 7th or 8th.
heh-heh
14312. theDiva - 6/1/2001 3:41:15 PM
hahahahaha
nothing sets the mood like a bottle of rotgut....
14313. seadate - 6/1/2001 3:42:36 PM
Frank,
it looks like sis is drinkign Zima and I was probably drinking Bushwackers.
14314. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 3:47:00 PM
BUSHWACKER
1/2 oz. of Malibu Rum
1/2 oz. of Light Rum
1/2 oz. of Bacardi 151
1 oz. of Dark Creme de Cacao
1 oz. of Cointreau
3 oz. of Milk
1 oz. of Coconut Rum
1 cup of Vanilla Ice Cream
Combine all ingredients. Blend until smooth. Garnish with chocolate shavings if desired.
14315. theDiva - 6/1/2001 3:51:43 PM
Good God, I have a hangover just reading the recipe.
14316. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 3:53:30 PM
That explains this:
it looks like sis is drinkign Zima ...
14317. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 3:54:28 PM
Breakfast of Champions.
14318. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 3:58:17 PM
Whose the oldest sea? I am trying not to make assumptions based on the visual here.
Haha.
14319. labwabbit - 6/1/2001 4:01:00 PM
Hoos...who's...whoos...
Damn
Check please...
14320. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:02:11 PM
Put it on the WabTab.
14321. Frankster - 6/1/2001 4:06:46 PM
Youse guys are too funny! Must be the Friday in all of you.
Hey, PP, could you post the pic I just sent cha ? It would fit the mood going on here currently.
(Maybe it would be better suited for the Sex thread...)
14322. JJBiener - 6/1/2001 4:07:59 PM
PP - Ignore what I said in the Cafe. I'll take a double.
14323. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:08:00 PM
Couldn't open it Frank...send it as a jpeg.
14324. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:10:15 PM
JJ...right away.
14325. seadate - 6/1/2001 4:22:03 PM
Diva,
Bushwackers will leave you with a massive headache(not counting the ice cream headache). I developed a solution. Garnish with a shot of Myer's rum. No headache. Unless of course you fall and hit your head on a barstool.
14326. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:24:39 PM
Frankster, after meeting a new friend, sent this to me...we all wish him good luck on his date this weekend. 
14327. seadate - 6/1/2001 4:25:24 PM
My sister and I have always had fun with our racial difference. People get really uncomfortable when we introuce each other as siblings. We're both adopted btw.
14328. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:28:30 PM
14326 is NOT Seadate's sister but, rather, it is Frankster's squeeze.
The Management
14329. Frankster - 6/1/2001 4:34:49 PM
The title to it was, The reason some women can't work on cars.
14330. theDiva - 6/1/2001 4:35:55 PM
Geez.....
14331. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:36:03 PM
I prefer..." Lemme check under the hood"...
14332. theDiva - 6/1/2001 4:37:08 PM
Seadate
Ever have a French 75? It's got Cointreau, champagne, and some other likker. Brandy? Anyway, it's served in a snifter over ice. Only had one once. Halfway through the damned thing I couldn't stand up straight.
14333. JJBiener - 6/1/2001 4:38:47 PM
Ever hear of "Too much of a good thing?"
14334. PsychProf - 6/1/2001 4:39:50 PM
That pic smoked Biener out.
14335. JJBiener - 6/1/2001 4:45:58 PM
I was just coming by to pick up my drink and I stumbled across that. I couldn't resist the opportunity to be a smart ass.
14336. dusty - 6/2/2001 11:18:47 AM
Quite an interesting game last night in Milwaukee. Iverson turned a rout into an interesting game.
The largest come-back in NBA payoff history is 22 points (measured from halftime). Philly picked up 23 points in waht seemed like a blink of an eye; unfortunately for them, they started the run 33 down.
Very impressive night for Ray Allen, tying the recod for 3's in a playoff game with 9, and setting his personal playoff scoring record at 41.
Go Bucks!
14337. PsychProf - 6/2/2001 11:22:06 AM
BUCK STOPS WITH RAY
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14338. PsychProf - 6/2/2001 11:25:10 AM
HE'S BACK
click on kerry wood 
14339. dusty - 6/2/2001 11:30:06 AM
It's June. The Red Sox are in first place.
Who wudda guessed?
14340. PsychProf - 6/2/2001 12:41:54 PM
HE'D HAVE TO BAT AGAINST THE METS SO...
click on photo 
14341. MsIvoryTower - 6/3/2001 9:50:35 AM
I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the major golf going on this weekend: the British Masters, the US Womens Open, and Nicklaus's Memorial Tournament. All are in final rounds today, and I have become a master of the channel changer in order to watch them all.
I'm disappointed in the women at the Women's Open, only two players are in the red after the third round, Karrie Webb and Se Ri Pak, the rest are on the plus side. Webb has a 5 shot advantage going into the last round. Pitiful.
However, the Memorial is turning out to be a very good match, with Azinger leading at the moment, and Woods hot on his tail. There are a bunch of guys all crowded together at the top of the leaderboard however, so the play today should be exciting to watch.
Same thing is happening at the British Masters, about 5 guys are all bunched together, all within 1 point of each other. I'm glued to the set today......
14342. PsychProf - 6/3/2001 10:30:25 AM
TIGER ZINGED
click on paul azinger 
14343. Stumbo - 6/3/2001 10:34:59 AM
"I'm disappointed in the women at the Women's Open..."
Well, at least that little brat got knocked out.
Did you see her stats? Average drive, 250 (and that's from last year).
Christ. I can live with being outdriven by Tiger -- but by a 12-year-old girl?!
14344. PsychProf - 6/3/2001 11:03:03 AM
ALLS WELL THAT ENDS WELLS
click on photo 
14345. MsIvoryTower - 6/3/2001 12:02:51 PM
I can live with being outdriven by Tiger -- but by a 12-year-old girl?!
Ha! She's thirteen, but I know what you mean. The play by the women, however, has been pitiful (as I said before).
The British Masters is now in a 4 way playoff! Howell came up from -11 to -14, and now is tied with Karlsson, Gronberg and Levet. This has been a very good match.
14346. PsychProf - 6/3/2001 12:17:46 PM
CHEAP SHOT
click on photo 
14347. MsIvoryTower - 6/3/2001 1:09:04 PM
Well, the frenchman Levet takes the British Masters. He and Gronberg had a 3 hole fight to get down to one.
On to the Memorial!
14348. MsIvoryTower - 6/3/2001 6:40:00 PM
Shoot, the Masters turned out to be the only tight play of the day. Woods cleaned up at the Memorial, and Webb was never seriously challenged by any other female at the Womens US Open.
Anyway, Woods moved from -11 to -17 today, Azinger dropped from leader at -12 to tie for second place with Garcia at -10. I'd hoped Garcia would have had a better round today as well, but it wasn't to be. Everyone in contention at the start of the final round made mistake after mistake, while Woods played consistently and solidly to the end.
He's my pick for the US Open two weeks from now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he got his "legit" Grand Slam this year after all.
14349. ElliottRW - 6/3/2001 10:30:46 PM
So long Bucks! And congrats to Philadelphia.
14350. Stumbo - 6/4/2001 12:37:19 AM
MsIT:
She just turned 13. She was still 12 when she qualified for the Open, and that's when I saw that stat.
I'm watching a replay of the 4-way playoff right now.
14351. ElliottRW - 6/4/2001 9:42:36 AM
Now that the NBA playoffs are over (he he) I have decided to get off my duff and actually (drumroll) play some sports! Unfortunately, I'm in terrible shape. Well, not exactly terrible--I'm not overweight. But aside from that I'm Joe Sedentary, destined for an early grave. Or not, if I get a move on it. I'm looking for ideas. I have some unusual schedule constraints: all my physical activity must take place before 5:45 in the morning, or must involve a 1-year-old boy and/or a 5-year-old girl. Thanks in advance.
14352. Indiana Jones - 6/4/2001 11:32:42 AM
14353. labwabbit - 6/4/2001 1:51:16 PM
Mariners...
WOW! 32 games over .500??
...and A-Rod doing his thing for the Rangers can't be making it easier for Seattle's mgmt to stop smiling.
In other sporting news...
Good:
Landed a 43lb king salmon yesterday...good for first place in derby.
Bad: Friend in a boat about 50' away lands a 43.7 pounder 7 minutes later.
Worse: On way back to dock, hit a submerged log that put a crack in port bow and took out my prop and drive-trim plate.
Worse still:
Ended up getting back to register catch 4 minutes past time limit...can't even get second place.
14354. ElliottRW - 6/4/2001 1:58:00 PM
labwabbit -- and that on top of the gratuituous and ill-founded insults I heaped upon you last week. Hope things look up soon.
14355. labwabbit - 6/4/2001 2:04:39 PM
News just in:
Will be standing on the geographical North Pole real soon. Hope to get a pic while standing on one foot in all time zones, with a bottle of Beam in one hand and the other hand around Santa's neck.
(Only one idea of many that I hope to consider and prepare for)
14356. labwabbit - 6/4/2001 2:08:32 PM
Elliot
Not a problem. If I can joke with ya, it's auto-entry into friends column.
...thanks.
14357. PsychProf - 6/4/2001 2:34:30 PM
Lab...there is a spot behind the bar saved for that photo. Is a King Salmon a Chinook?
14358. PsychProf - 6/4/2001 2:36:31 PM
TOO MUCH IVERSON
click on photo 
14359. PsychProf - 6/4/2001 2:38:31 PM
FOR SNOD AND LAB: MARINERS MORE THAN AFLOAT
click on photo 
14360. labwabbit - 6/4/2001 2:44:47 PM
Is a King Salmon a Chinook?
Yes it is.
Lab...there is a spot behind the bar saved for that photo.
Cool.
I have been asked why I would spend in excess of $6k just to stand on the NPole...My reply(s)are:
1)because it is there...
2)to say that I have...
3)any excuse to drink JBeam...
4)tired of Christmas bills, Santa has to die.
14361. PsychProf - 6/4/2001 4:28:26 PM
Lab...check yer e-mail
14362. labwabbit - 6/4/2001 5:22:51 PM
addendum:
#4 will be stricken from the record...instead perhaps Santa and I will just get real drunk and laugh-away the absurdity of the world below.
14363. PsychProf - 6/4/2001 5:32:28 PM
Lab...more e-mail.
14364. Toenails - 6/4/2001 5:57:15 PM
Remember the old NHL quote: "If World War II had been run like the National Hockey League, Germany and Japan would still be in close contention."
But enough hockey talk. Has everyone noticed that the MIGHTY ORIOLES have moved up to third place??
14365. Toenails - 6/4/2001 5:59:15 PM
(Whoops. 'Just noticed that I commented on a conversation that was going on about 200 postings ago.)
14366. theDiva - 6/5/2001 11:04:36 AM
Labwab
ya crack me up. But don't tell me you're not gonna grill that sucker!
14367. labwabbit - 6/5/2001 12:05:50 PM
Diva
But don't tell me you're not gonna grill that sucker!
Santa??
14368. theDiva - 6/5/2001 12:06:33 PM
hahahaha
no, goofy, the fish.
14369. labwabbit - 6/5/2001 12:37:03 PM
I packaged much of that salmon for overnight shipment to my mom/brothers...should've been there by yesterday afternoon.
Will be doing some on the grill this evening...that is if it is raining. If the sun is out, I'll most likely be getting some more.
Went out at 6:30 this morning and picked up some abalone and scallops. Caught a good negative tide. Tommorrow will be even better around 7 o'clock. Will get clams and scallops tommorrow weather permitting.
14370. theDiva - 6/5/2001 12:42:49 PM
mmmmmmm........
14371. PsychProf - 6/5/2001 1:10:24 PM
"GOOSE BUMPS"
click on brett boone 
14372. PsychProf - 6/5/2001 1:13:36 PM
COMEBACK KID
click on jennifer capriati 
14373. PsychProf - 6/5/2001 4:03:41 PM
BUDS 
14374. ElliottRW - 6/5/2001 4:17:11 PM
PsychProf, that picture smoked me out of my text-only world. I saw the title BIGDOG and I thought--ooh, a Glen Robinson photo.
Actually, the photo you posted is even better.
14375. PsychProf - 6/5/2001 5:03:23 PM
TEAM BY TEAM ALL-TIME #1 DRAFT CHOICES
14376. labwabbit - 6/6/2001 12:18:18 PM
18 innings to undo what Nomo threw to the back stop.
But hey..a win is a win.
14377. PsychProf - 6/6/2001 1:03:36 PM
WHAT A FUN GAME TO WATCH
click on shea hillenbrand 
14378. PsychProf - 6/6/2001 1:14:24 PM
STUPID YANKEE FANS BOO MUSSINA
click on photo 
14379. dusty - 6/6/2001 1:14:45 PM
Just in time, for the Red Sox. What happens if they hit curfew? Do they finish it another time?
How about intentional walk to Manny with someone on first. Bet that doesn't happen often. (man on 2nd, 1st base open, yes.)
14380. PsychProf - 6/6/2001 1:17:58 PM
Dusty....yes to both.
14381. PsychProf - 6/6/2001 1:20:08 PM
Tryin to smoke Dan out...
FOR DANTHEMAN
14382. PsychProf - 6/6/2001 3:51:04 PM
Deev...on Sat, June 9, I and Ms PP and two sons will be in section 13 yellow, next to the Yanks dugout...I'll wave to ya in case yer watchin. 
14383. Indiana Jones - 6/7/2001 9:04:38 AM
Get that out of here! 
14384. theDiva - 6/7/2001 9:31:25 AM
Prof
Row 4? I will definitely be watching. Bring a banner or somethin'.
14385. marjoribanks - 6/7/2001 10:06:43 AM
Yesterday's finals game was one of the most compelling hoops games played in years. Even when Jordan was on-court, there wasn't realy anything of such classic metaphorical worth. David versus Goliath. The golden boys versus the prodigal son. The scrappy also-rans versus the pampered elite.
The defeat was astounding. The total team effort by the Sixers, absolutely inspirational. Iverson by himself was awesome, a six-foot nothing irresistable dervish. The fearsome Lakers juggernaut couldn't resist his indomitable will, in fact large cracks appeared immediately. By the fourth quarter, they were five individuals running up and down dumbfoundedly. The Sixers were a maurading band, by contrast, relentless and swarming.
I still don't think they can pull off so gigantic an upset in the series. But they've sent signal that this series will be required viewing, and that they will scrap for every little bit they can get. Good stuff, unexpectedly, for basketball fans.
14386. marjoribanks - 6/7/2001 10:10:07 AM
Awful spelling, sorry., I'm both sleepy and in a hurry.
Iverson is my new hero. What a tale of redemption he represents, even earlier this season he was being portrayed as the poster boy for what is wrong with the NBA and basketball in general. Today, I defy you to find a finer example of what is great about sports in general than the tattooed, unshamefacedly 'hoodie' point guard.
14387. ElliottRW - 6/7/2001 1:13:44 PM
banks' characterization of last nights sixers-lakers game is right on the money. His charactization of Iverson is, well, his alone.
I will elaborate later.
14388. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 1:36:04 PM
Iverson is quite the basketball player...the more he shoots, the better his team plays.
14389. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 1:39:20 PM
A PITCHER
click on curt shilling 
14390. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 4:02:01 PM
14391. thoughtful - 6/7/2001 4:04:07 PM
Hey, PP. Stopped by your bar...figuring you could buy me a drink.
I'll take a water on the rocks. Can't handle that stuff straight up, y'know.
14392. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 4:05:12 PM
Evian with a twist coming up...
14393. thoughtful - 6/7/2001 4:06:03 PM
Oh, you're so good to me. Are there any sports yu don't like?
14394. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 4:08:36 PM
Women's football...come over to the sex thread and give us some wisdom.
14395. labwabbit - 6/7/2001 4:09:25 PM
Are there any sports yu don't like?
poor ones.
14396. thoughtful - 6/7/2001 4:14:57 PM
What makes you think I know anything about sex? You know I'm not into sports.
;-)
14397. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 4:16:24 PM
We're not talking sex over there, were talking marriage, finances, and whores.
14398. thoughtful - 6/7/2001 4:34:08 PM
Yeah, marriage is like a sport...actually more like the gladiators vs. the lions in Rome
14399. thoughtful - 6/7/2001 4:34:23 PM
The xfl for two.
14400. labwabbit - 6/7/2001 4:36:47 PM
Whas' wrong with women's football?
14401. PsychProf - 6/7/2001 4:43:03 PM
No ball.
14402. labwabbit - 6/7/2001 5:14:35 PM
z
14403. labwabbit - 6/8/2001 12:21:25 PM
One for Ray Bourque...one more that is.
Should be one hell of a game though...to watch from poolside.
14404. PsychProf - 6/8/2001 1:33:02 PM
CUBS WIN!!!CUBS WIN!!!
click on photo 
14405. PsychProf - 6/8/2001 1:34:03 PM
Lab...poolside?
14406. labwabbit - 6/8/2001 1:38:17 PM
PP
..middle of frakin' June. Hung up the skates almost 2 months ago...even in 'Laska.
Just having trouble getting used to watching hockey over the BBQ..
14407. labwabbit - 6/8/2001 1:39:32 PM
...next Friday will be in a better "atmosphere" in which to enjoy winter sports.
14408. PsychProf - 6/8/2001 1:56:28 PM
Ah...baseball and Father's day. The lineage stated with my dad, a truck driver who had little interest in sports, but was always up for a round of "catch". My turn came...God blessed me and my wife with two sons, and I knew what to do from there. Although we all enjoyed year long sport's rooting, and both boys played two sports, nothing matched the magic of spring hope and balls flying. My wife, born in Latvia, came late but well to the passions of the Summer Game. Ground ball practice, playing catch, fly balls in the sun, and the batting cage...God, the batting cage...thousands well spent. We seemed to be at a ball game, cheering, watching, believing, every night, and it was a life we loved. My oldest, Jesse, was a speedy 6" 2" right fielder with a good arm and a natural talent he used to track the angles and velocity of outfield play. He hit cleanup on his HS team, runner up state champs, because of his ability to hit with two strikes and drive in runs when they were especially needed. To this day he loves baseball, we talk about it every day, and he does not regret trading the game for academics. Many paths in life, he chose his own. Our youngest, Aaron, lost daily in every game to his older brother, and seemed to want more of it not less. As I have said in past posts, our family motto is "swing away", and he did. He sprouted into 6' 5" outfielder/first baseman who loved the game with passion and commitment. Now to the Father's Day part.
cont...
14409. PsychProf - 6/8/2001 1:56:35 PM
This Father's Day is June 17, a date which is seared in the conscious of our family. In 1996 Aaron was selected for the Connecticut All-Stars, the 15 best HS Seniors in the State, to compete against a similar squad from Massachusetts, scheduled for that date. The game, to my and his incredible delight, was played in Fenway Park...his brother Jesse would take the subway over from Harvard where he was studying fracture mechanics and applied engineering. My wife and I arrived at the park early, secured a front row seat between home and third(about 2000 attended... many scouts and college coaches, including the Dartmouth Coach who would teach him for the next four years). As we watched him take warm-up in right field and first base, I had trouble focusing the memories...I wanted to hold them forever, but could feel the sands of time slipping through the fingers of my mind. My heart gabbed my throat as the game began, with his squad batting in the bottom of the first, no score. The pitcher for the Massachusetts team was a curve ball/fast ball type who eventually had a fine career at Boston College. Aaron, batting third, followed two initial routine outs by understandably anxious young ballplayers.
cont.
14410. PsychProf - 6/8/2001 1:56:47 PM
Our heads work alike, and I knew he was nervous as he stood in and took his warm-up swings. The first pitch, a sharp curve ball, found him out in front, a mere wave at best. He stepped out and gathered him self...I could hear him think..."head down and quiet, hands back but in motion, take the ball up the middle, see the spin, keep weight back, set, swing away if it's good and hit the shit out of it"...his mom held my arm and I suppressed my breath. Another curve ball came, and this time he held his mechanics in check. The swing, like a flash, sent the ball high and arching towards left center. It kept rising in eyes of my mind, as it is now as these words pour from my keyboard, and at its apogee seemed to settle like a feather into the net of heroes above the monster. There was a gasp from the crowd, and then we all released adrenalin and joy into our bodies and hearts. Home Plate is so perfectly named when its on your side. 
14411. theDiva - 6/8/2001 1:59:41 PM
sweet...very sweet....
(tears of happiness for a friend's good memories and good life....)
14412. labwabbit - 6/8/2001 2:02:25 PM
amen.
14413. theDiva - 6/8/2001 2:06:06 PM
Hey, Mooseheads for everyone!
14414. PsychProf - 6/8/2001 2:07:05 PM
On me, for sure.
14415. labwabbit - 6/8/2001 2:08:42 PM
Hear, hear...
To life!
It IS good....
14416. theDiva - 6/8/2001 2:09:13 PM
cut me offa hunka moose, willya?
14417. theDiva - 6/8/2001 2:09:52 PM
Prof
btw, that story of yours goes to my dad in today's dispatch. He'll enjoy it.
14418. Frankster - 6/8/2001 3:11:18 PM
PP,
I hope I can write something like that someday. I'm still smiling.
One thing I know I'll be which my father wasn't for any of his children, is active and involved in my children's lives.
14419. dusty - 6/9/2001 10:58:40 AM
Thanks PP, great story.
14420. Stumbo - 6/9/2001 11:20:30 PM
WTG, R(o/a)y. Great series.
14421. Stumbo - 6/9/2001 11:22:52 PM
Or, substitute some synonymous adjective that hasn't been used in the previous post.
14422. Stumbo - 6/9/2001 11:46:46 PM
BTW -- in case anyone cares -- I carded my second career birdie, today.
(Of course, like the first one, it was a bullshit couldn't-do-that-again-if-I-tried-20-times putt from the fringe. My makeable birdie putts -- like the 15-footer I had on the very next hole -- always lip out.)
14423. dusty - 6/10/2001 7:44:09 AM
Congrats Stumbo!!!!
Do tell us more. How far away was the putt?
14424. PsychProf - 6/10/2001 10:20:14 AM
Lauren W and baseball friends...keep in touch over here.
14425. PsychProf - 6/10/2001 10:45:09 AM
We saw the Yanks -Braves yesterday under clear skies and comfortable sun...what a great place The Stadium is by the light of day...you can feel and see the history, as Monument Park lies in direct sight line. A sell out crowd came expecting no less than the usual smashing victory...Smoltz had nothing but a straight fastball...his teammates, however, brought their bats with them...our seats were 9 rows behind the Yankee dugout, a fine place to watch 4 Brave's home runs disappear over the fence and more than enough to send the Yanks home in defeat...our cheering was not appreciated by the Yankee faithful, to our particular delight...the booing for John Rocker was impressive and deserved...he was really pumped when he struck out Paul O"Neil...the game ended much too quickly for us, and the silence of the departing crowd still plays loudly in my memory...bring your bucks to the game...snacks can eat up incredible disposable greenbacks, beer comes in large mouth plastic bottles that are made for quick liquid consumption, and you need a loan to buy hot dogs.
14426. labwabbit - 6/10/2001 11:33:34 AM
Yay Ray! (...and of course the Avs)
I got a bit melancholy...would've ben best if a "B" would've been on the joisey.
14427. labwabbit - 6/10/2001 11:44:56 AM
and you need a loan to buy hot dogs.
(the first/rest of expendable cash goes to the beer....first. Priorities are priorities eh?)
14428. ElliottRW - 6/10/2001 12:24:08 PM
...bring your bucks to the game...
Might as well; they're done playing basketball.
14429. Uzmakk - 6/10/2001 6:22:20 PM
I love to be able to kick an athelete's ass.
14430. marjoribanks - 6/10/2001 9:27:18 PM
Profiteer,
A Goan was among the French Open victors. Kindly provide us with full coverage. I'll be checking right in when I log on again tomorrow morning.
14431. Frankster - 6/10/2001 10:32:36 PM
Twenty-one seconds to go for a Laker victory.
14432. Frankster - 6/10/2001 10:52:38 PM
Former USC, and Tampa Bay Buccaneer coach, John McKay, dies
14433. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 11:47:08 AM
For Banks and Spunk...
India's Mahesh Bhupathi, right, and Leander Paes drink
champagne after winning the Men's Double final of the French
Tennis Open at the Roland Garros stadium Saturday June 9,
2001 in Paris.(AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)
click on photo 
14434. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 11:49:15 AM
GOURMET BASKETBALL
click on photo 
14435. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 11:53:26 AM
WES FARRELL HAS THE HR RECORD FOR PITCHERS AT 9
click on photo 
14436. Dusty - 6/11/2001 12:06:23 PM
Gilberto Simoni won the 84th Giro d'Italia
click on photo 
Very impressive win by Simoni, his win in stage 20 was awesome.
14437. MsIvoryTower - 6/11/2001 12:11:43 PM
Stumbo!
I'm so jealous.
Btw, did you see the Fedex tournament this weekend? It was good to see so many old pros at the top of the leaderboard. Hard to be upset that Estes won, even though it would have made good Americana drama had Daly maintained his composure.
I have to admit, I can't wait to see the US Open this week.
14438. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 12:41:20 PM
Missie...I look forward to your Open updates...
14439. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 12:50:56 PM
RAY'S WAY
click on RAY BOURQUE 
14440. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 2:26:21 PM
NOT HORRYBLE
click on robert horry 
14441. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 2:50:57 PM
14442. PsychProf - 6/11/2001 4:49:03 PM
A PAWS TO APPRECIATE TIGER'S TAILS
click on photo 
14443. Stumbo - 6/11/2001 8:25:10 PM
Dusty:
It was at least 30 feet; I wasn't even remotely thinking of anything but lagging it close enough for a decent chance at par.
(Counting that one, I had 5 GIRs for the round -- which, for me, is pretty phenomenal. The sad part is that I three-putted 2 of 'em.)
MsIT:
Yeah, lots and lots of names I didn't expect to see on the first page again.
Estes has been a sentimental favorite of mine, though, ever since that putter-off-the-tee incident.
14444. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 12:07:04 PM
WHAT A JERK
TAKE YOUR PICK AND CLICK 
14445. theDiva - 6/12/2001 12:11:05 PM
Jaysus.
Shut up, already, willya, George?
14446. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 12:50:42 PM
Over the weekend, with some time on my hands at a bookstore, I read the recent Rey Sanchez book on El Duque. Definitely one of the better baseball books I've ever read, it had a very thorough look at Cuba and baseball and the context that made El Duque first a hero, then banned from official baseball in Cuba, then a refugee and Yankee starter.
It's worth reading for anyone interested in the game, and particularly the economics and mechanics that have brought dozens of players over from Cuba to the big leagues.
Anywa, the most touching bits of the book covered El Duque's exile from the game, a time where he lived in a cinder-block hut, worked as a janitor, and expended his creative and competitive instincts in pick-up baseball away from the official ballfields. Very moving, really.
Some of the atmosphere evoked in the book is echoed in this piece on a baseball game in Cuba, from The Atlantic. It's nicely done.
14447. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 12:58:31 PM
The piece got me thinking about how sports has been a big and important part of travelling for me, partricularly in my late teens and early twenties.
I always carried sneakers with me, all through Europe and in dozens of other countries including lots of places in Africa, S. America and Asia. In all those places, I tried to get into pick-up games wherever possible, either soccer or basketball but also cricket and occasionally volleyball.
The basketball bit is the best cultural bridge. Outside the USA, basketball players form a kind of fraternity. If you can hit the j, you've got an entree into the club, and many of my most cherished travelling experiences have come from either actually playing the game or from introductions made through or during the game. In some cases (China, Bhutan, Mexico, Tobago) I got to become acquaintances with people I could never have managed to meet and befriend were it not for hoops.
Sports is a great international language, and a great international leveller. That, in the end, is the greatest thing I've gotten from them.
14448. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 1:03:17 PM
Ugh. Nice typos.
Here, for no good reason, is a list of countries I've played pick-up basketball in - most without invitation, simply by showing up.
USA
UK
France
Italy
Germany
Switzerland
Hungary
Holland
Morocco
Egypt
Kenya
Tanzania
India
China
Nepal
Bhutan
Trinidad &Tobago
Brazil
Venezuela
Mexico
14449. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 1:04:19 PM
Also, Portugal.
14450. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 1:30:22 PM
Venezuela was an interesting one.
I was spending ten days on the island of Margarita before hitting the mainland, with my soon-to-be brother-in-law, a local. We had a phenomenal time exploring the island, and meeting his family. But somewhere inside me, not even articulated to myself, was a kind of seething resentment.
See, I was feeling a bit wounded and tired of the bro-in-law's family. Wealthy, cultured, venezuelans, they were treating us (unfair assesment, I realize now) as exotics. From India, a poor and faraway country. How quaint, how interesting, how wonderful that you can speak English. I was getting tired of being cooed over in hushed tones by the well-meaning Venezuelans and having to explain again and again that yes, we have cities and cars and electricity and no we don't all have elephants and wear turbans.
Unbeknownst even, really, to myself, I was building up some hostility there. And there was no socially acceptable outlet.
So, one day, while driving through the capital, I notice that there is a nice flood-lit court. And I force bro-in-law to stop. It's one of the main amateur courts in Maragarita, it turns out. It also turns out that Margarita's medium-sized African-descended community is basketball crazy and even has a team in the professional league of the country.
So I show up at the time I was told there'd be a game only to find that there was only one gaudily-clad young man there, dunking and preening for his girlfriend. Big game tonight, I'm the star player, he said, just warming up in practice. Nobody else around over the next two days.
I'm raring to play. Assorted family-to-be milling around ask young man if he minds if i shoot with him. He says okay. Family settles in to watch with girlfriend. I'm" thinking, irrationally, - "they're patronizing me. they all assume I'm a villager with no game and nice (black) venezuelan will kick my ass. They're racists."
14451. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 1:31:23 PM
Venezuela was an interesting one.
I was spending ten days on the island of Margarita before hitting the mainland, with my soon-to-be brother-in-law, a local. We had a phenomenal time exploring the island, and meeting his family. But somewhere inside me, not even articulated to myself, was a kind of seething resentment.
See, I was feeling a bit wounded and tired of the bro-in-law's family. Wealthy, cultured, venezuelans, they were treating us (unfair assesment, I realize now) as exotics. From India, a poor and faraway country. How quaint, how interesting, how wonderful that you can speak English. I was getting tired of being cooed over in hushed tones by the well-meaning Venezuelans and having to explain again and again that yes, we have cities and cars and electricity and no we don't all have elephants and wear turbans.
Unbeknownst even, really, to myself, I was building up some hostility there. And there was no socially acceptable outlet.
So, one day, while driving through the capital, I notice that there is a nice flood-lit court. And I force bro-in-law to stop. It's one of the main amateur courts in Maragarita, it turns out. It also turns out that Margarita's medium-sized African-descended community is basketball crazy and even has a team in the professional league of the country.
So I show up at the time I was told there'd be a game only to find that there was only one gaudily-clad young man there, dunking and preening for his girlfriend. Big game tonight, I'm the star player, he said, just warming up in practice. Nobody else around over the next two days.
I'm raring to play. Assorted family-to-be milling around ask young man if he minds if i shoot with him. He says okay. Family settles in to watch with girlfriend. I'm" thinking, irrationally, - "they're patronizing me. they all assume I'm a villager with no game and nice (black) venezuelan will kick my ass. They're racists."
14452. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 1:33:20 PM
So we shoot. I'm pumped to display. Ten-fifteen minutes in and I challenge Venezuelan to play one-on-one. He looks at his girl, and the small group with me, and says, shrugging, okay. Game to 11. Your ball.
I'm way way more keyed up than laid-back Venezuyelan, bumping and pushing him relentlessly. 11-0 me. Now he's caught up and I imagine the Venezuelans are too. Game extended to 25. I win 25-3.
Now, he says, it's for real. He's flushed, Venezuelans (I imagine) ready to see local star wipe floor with upstart Indian. He takes a walk to girlfriend to deposit his jewellery and take off shirt.
Now, it's for real, muggy day with sweat pouring off us we grind out a full-scale physical war. He accuses me of fouling excessively, I curse him, he curses me back. Venezuelans restless.
I win, 25-10. We play again, I kick his ass completely and literally, screaming curses and taunting him in English. Matriarch of future family leaves courtside. I do things like passing the ball to myself between his legs and blind three-pointers. I imagine I'm humiliating him, showing all of Venezuela that I got game.
He's upset at the end, makes a point of telling my companions that he had to take it easy because of the big game that evening. All Venezuelans (especially the little cute girlfriend) stonefaced. I am triumphant, thankfully silently so.
Later on, bro-in-law tells me that his family thought I was a maniac. But I am unapologetic.
See, I redeemed my honor in some indescribable (and idiotic) way. This is what sports can do.
14453. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 1:40:47 PM
Banks...well done then and now. You leveled the playing field.
14454. labwabbit - 6/12/2001 1:55:34 PM
ya just wanted to impress the girl banks...and all that "family" shit didn't get by any true backyard sports enthusiast.
14455. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 1:59:31 PM
Very impressive, Banks.
14456. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 2:07:40 PM
Lab,
Partly, no doubt. But I swear it was about proving something indescribable to all of Venezuela. Ooze and Prof get it, I think. In other words, I'm not the only person with this juvenile mindset.
14457. labwabbit - 6/12/2001 2:20:48 PM
I'm not the only person with this juvenile mindset
That's a requirement for "homey" competition. And if Uzzi and PP really got it they would have a stronger tendancy to exhort, "Ya..you think you got game? I'll just havta to kick that sub-continent trash-ass of yours back to atlantis. C'mon boy, pick it or give it back to your momma...."...and stuff like that.
14458. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 2:24:38 PM
I'd just tell Banks that his toys-R-us sneaker is untied, and step around his sorry ass.
14459. labwabbit - 6/12/2001 2:26:29 PM
Of course I suspect that Uzzer would promptly apologize for such verbal transgression, thus relegating himself once again to spectator status.
14460. don s. - 6/12/2001 2:32:16 PM
I needed a cold shower after Marj's Venezuelan story.
14461. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 2:37:23 PM
Er, thanks don, I think.
14462. don s. - 6/12/2001 2:40:18 PM
No. Thank you!
P.S. have you had a chance to try that restaurant yet?
14463. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 2:45:42 PM
Don,
No. Been rooted to home and work due to unforseen circumstances. But I will.
What was the locale again? I'm to take my cousins out to lunch tomorrow.
14464. labwabbit - 6/12/2001 2:48:31 PM
I guess I was wrong...
'bout the girl.
14465. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 2:50:19 PM
Swami PP sees a Big Mac in Bank's future...
14466. Dusty - 6/12/2001 2:53:46 PM
Cool story banks
14467. don s. - 6/12/2001 3:06:33 PM
Marj: Los Dos Molinos ... I can only give you an approximate (you might have to look it up) ... 118 E 19th St. or 119 E. 18th St. Or W. 19th/18th.
14468. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 3:08:55 PM
Banks does not venture past 96th...
14469. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 3:10:10 PM
Damn it, Labby, I have so little time, a couple of minutes. Respond quickly so I can knock you out and be done with you. Or send that girl Kaval alazman to fight in your stead...you mutha fucka.
14470. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 3:12:46 PM
Uz you freaking teen...ya need proof of age or IQ ta get in here...in any case, here's an Anchor Steam draft for ya.
14471. marjoribanks - 6/12/2001 3:14:54 PM
Don,
Thanks. I may do it tomorrow. I have the details at home, but took it down again just in case.
14472. labwabbit - 6/12/2001 3:21:02 PM
Uzzi...
Fer chriisakes..lose the platform sneakers before ya take a poke at me will ya?
It takes away the joy of kickin ass when one is laughin' so hard.
Hey...does your momma know about that tattoo on yer ankle?
14473. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 3:21:25 PM
Thanks, PP, I am not much of a beer drinker in the summer, preferring a heavier brew, but that Anchor Steam makes me want to go out for a case of some exotic microbrew.
14474. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 3:25:02 PM
UZ...still spring where my butt sleeps.
14475. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 3:25:07 PM
Damn! I'm out of time!
Uzmakk smashes the empty bottle of Anchor Steam over labby's head and leaves PP's Sports Bar.
14476. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 3:26:20 PM
Damn! I'm out of time!
Uzmakk smashes the empty bottle of Anchor Steam over labby's head and leaves PP's Sports Bar.
14477. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 3:34:41 PM
Labby either doesn't come to, or sputters the following:
14478. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 3:35:43 PM
(fill in any future posts by labwabbit)
14479. don s. - 6/12/2001 3:37:08 PM
Javy ... for no particular reason.
(sorry about the whitespace; it's part of the picture)
(provides a nice breather, though, don't it?)
14480. don s. - 6/12/2001 5:02:41 PM
More whitespace ... 
(Alberto Castillo)
14481. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 5:52:15 PM
METROPOLITAN OPERA
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14482. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 7:25:06 PM
14483. labwabbit - 6/12/2001 7:52:45 PM
HOF Bourque
40 years old...what a ride.
When I stop and think of the odds of the gamble to jump to the Avs in order to have a chance to win it...lucky, lucky, lucky. I would've thought Detroit or Jersey...maybe even the Blues.
But in my disappointment that it wasn't with the B's I say..traitor!
Just kidding Ray...Congrats. A good story for sports...finally.
14484. PsychProf - 6/12/2001 8:58:45 PM
I love that pic...
14485. ElliottRW - 6/13/2001 7:51:47 AM
Me too PP. I don't care about hockey, but that smile, that guileless, ungloating smile is pure joy. You'd think the guy just had a baby.
14486. labwabbit - 6/13/2001 12:34:44 PM
...went through tremendous labor.
In his first 20 years, he would play an approximately 48 minutes out of 60 every game. First coupla years of youth would be understandable...and still quite the feat. But for every game, year-after-year....I truly stand in awe of this guy's tenacity and endurance.
14487. labwabbit - 6/13/2001 12:38:06 PM
Uzz-ack
You made the error of hitting me in the head with the bottle...
anywhere else probably woulda hurt.
14488. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 1:23:06 PM
TONITES THE NIGHT
click on photo 
14489. 19RBI - 6/13/2001 1:34:46 PM
PP - Can't we have a little something to remember another blown save by Mariano and a loss to the Expos by?
14490. theDiva - 6/13/2001 1:40:56 PM
Keep it up, you. Just keep it up.
Whippersnapper.
14491. labwabbit - 6/13/2001 1:46:10 PM
Ah yes...Yenks performance reviews:
I believe the positve-reinforcement managerial policy has been successful thus far...why try anything else?
14492. theDiva - 6/13/2001 1:51:03 PM
That's it. I'ma kick ALL Y'ALL's asses.
14493. Frankster - 6/13/2001 2:16:12 PM
Marj,
I meant to get back to you yesterday on your global court prowess. Great bit on your trip in Venezuela, by the way.
Although I haven't picked up a basketball in some 17(?) years, I still wonder whether I can "hang" everytime I drive by a basketball court. I had a pretty good outside jump shot ( Boy, did I master kissing the "glass" at one time ) but, my ability to jump compelled me to play more of an inside game for my rebounding and shot blocking skills. That inside game got old fast and it eventually turned me off the game, as I found my light build being pushed around and backed up on by stronger, beefier players. I just got tired of all the body pounding and elbows I had to endure game in and game out, and I was not about to lose a tooth or have my nose broken by some gym rat over a pick-up game. I enjoyed the game but the risks just weren't worth it anymore. My weakness ? Hmmmm, probably open court defense.
...Oh, but talk about the measure of satisfaction I would receive from slapping someone's shot away. I miss that. Get that shit outta here !
( What's with all the timeouts of late ? It's been a bitch attempting to get into ANY thread of late )
14494. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 2:27:58 PM
FOR 19 RBI AND OTHER YANK HATERS
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14495. Frankster - 6/13/2001 2:41:23 PM
Speaking of the Yankees, what's this "kink" in Mariano's armor all about ? Have batters finally figured him out ?
I wasn't leaning one way or the other, Deev. It's just a question...really!
:-)
14496. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 2:44:08 PM
Frank...Yankee fan's expectations for players like Jeter and Mariano are just too high...baseball is a difficult game. Red Sox fans are more experienced in the ways of life.
14497. labwabbit - 6/13/2001 2:49:30 PM
Red Sox fans are more experienced in the ways of life.
Oh ya...more like "way" of life.
Speaking of which...did anybody catch that piece on ESPN featuring Bill Buckner, "Beyond The Glory"?
14498. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 2:50:00 PM
NO PERDO, NO MANNY, NO VARITEK, NO NOMAR AND THEY ARE STILL WINNIN
14499. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 2:52:23 PM
Lab...if his wife was in it, I have seen it.
14500. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 2:54:13 PM
hahahaha...no Pedro either...
14501. Frankster - 6/13/2001 3:02:15 PM
PP,
So what you're basically saying, is that the Red Sox -- and their fans, I suppose -- have developed some character because of all of the hardships they have had to endure ?
( I expect the Deev to come out of the woods any second now and slap me silly )
14502. theDiva - 6/13/2001 3:10:56 PM
Geez, are you people dense or what? How many times must I say this?
The Red Sox are winning because their payroll is the highest in baseball.
Geez.
14503. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 3:11:53 PM
Frank...exactly. This should smoke her out.
14504. labwabbit - 6/13/2001 3:12:22 PM
PP
A tough crowd Boston has...but in retrospect, a bottom line injustice to the man and his family.
14505. Frankster - 6/13/2001 3:16:30 PM
Deev,
Then how do explain the success of the Mariners or Cubs ?
By the way, thanks for the picture last Friday. That young lady is huge.
14506. theDiva - 6/13/2001 3:24:34 PM
Frankie
Beats the shit outta me.
(and thanks, we think she's pretty cute, too.)
14507. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 3:35:20 PM
Lab... Bill Buckner has HOF-"Almost" Stats...he deserves better, and perhaps time will forgive him, even if Sox Fans will not.
14508. PsychProf - 6/13/2001 4:18:13 PM
Lauren, Zook, Ken, Voice, Pat, Susan, Joel, Glenn and all you guys...if yer reading this, I'm gonna kick yer butt(s) for not stopping in for a libation.
14509. OhioSTOPAS - 6/13/2001 8:27:31 PM
Bartender, gimme a Narragansett.
14510. labwabbit - 6/14/2001 11:54:45 AM
...Ballantine Ale.
*urk*
14511. labwabbit - 6/14/2001 12:04:03 PM
NO PERDO, NO MANNY, NO VARITEK, NO NOMAR AND THEY ARE STILL WINNIN ...
Need you be reminded that the All-Star break hasn't arrived yet?
14512. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 1:28:37 PM
TEE FOR ONE?
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14513. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 1:31:00 PM
LAKERS LIQUIDATE 76ERS
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14514. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 1:34:00 PM
OHH HIS ROCKER
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14515. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 1:42:23 PM
DIMMER ZIMMER
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14516. Indiana Jones - 6/14/2001 1:48:33 PM
PP: I think you double-linked the Laker story because that's where the Rocker pic takes me.
14517. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 1:53:35 PM
Thanks Indy...
HERE IS THE CORRECT LINK FOR THE ROCKER PHOTO
click on photo 
14518. theDiva - 6/14/2001 1:55:30 PM
52 years in baseball entitles Zim to make comments like that without diminishing his stature in any way. And Piazza is still a puling little pissant.
14519. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 1:56:27 PM
Smoked out.
14520. theDiva - 6/14/2001 1:58:02 PM
aw, bite me, ya puling pissant.
14521. Frankster - 6/14/2001 2:08:28 PM
What'd he say ? What'd he say ?
14522. theDiva - 6/14/2001 2:15:16 PM
he thinks he baitin me. Plus I've been in the Inferno all morning and am feeling rather feisty.
14523. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 2:24:23 PM
14524. theDiva - 6/14/2001 2:46:56 PM
14525. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 4:12:58 PM
It's a pleasure to be at "work" today... 
14526. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 5:13:43 PM
IRWIN AND GOOSEN STEP UP
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14527. MsIvoryTower - 6/14/2001 5:50:05 PM
Lordy, Woods is not starting out strong. He's lucky that the play was suspended due to hazardous conditions on the 10th hole. The break may allow him to regain his composure and come back to better play on the back 9.
Irwin is finished for the day and leads at 3 under, but there are a host of players still unfinished, and he may not end up being the leader by the end of the first round. We'll see.
This course looks to be a killer, I suspect the scores won't be very low by the end of the tournament.
14528. glendajean - 6/14/2001 5:52:01 PM
MsIT -- I heard on the radio this morning that the London bookmakers refuse to do bets on Tiger anymore.
14529. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 5:53:30 PM
Missie...I was waiting for you to come here so I could express my empathy regarding the loss of your Dad. I have lost both my parents and live with that daily. My best to you and your daughter, who lost her GranDad as well.
The Big Geek
14530. MsIvoryTower - 6/14/2001 5:55:23 PM
PP's
You're the best.
Glenda
Get this, the betting odds in London were 10-11 for Woods to win the US Open.
Think about it.
14531. glendajean - 6/14/2001 6:02:42 PM
A boy raised in Baptist Waco has a hard time figuring out the meaning of betting odds, MsIT.
14532. MsIvoryTower - 6/14/2001 6:05:13 PM
Hahahaha
That means for every $11 bet, the payoff if Woods wins is $10.
Now, Mickelson is 18-1, I think.
14533. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 6:06:12 PM
Glena...you need to come here more often so I will know what to serve you. Seems as if some Glenlevet Single Malt might do...I am off to do some "adult therapy"...I'll take a shot also befor I go.
14534. glendajean - 6/14/2001 6:08:53 PM
Prof, I'm partial to Lab's Knob Creek Bourbon, ice and a little water. I figured that you thought I would be an easy mark for a card game (and you would be correct).
Thanks, MsIT.
14535. PsychProf - 6/14/2001 6:11:23 PM
Glenda...interesting. Just bought a bottle of The Creek yesterday. Nice seeing ya here...now to my job.
14536. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 11:49:40 AM
HIGH YIELD BONDS
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14537. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 11:52:22 AM
FATHER'S DAY PRESENT
click on david bell 
14538. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 1:58:06 PM
Cazart/Jade Gold...an e-mail tells me you are posting good stuff about my SportsBar around the net...thanks. Good to see that you check in here so often.
14539. ElliottRW - 6/15/2001 2:31:34 PM
As of this posting, Tiger Woods is +6 and tied for 92nd. Which is cut territory. Very interesting.
14540. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 2:46:00 PM
PRIME TIME TIMED OUT
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14541. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 3:05:19 PM
Where is everybody...
14542. thoughtful - 6/15/2001 3:24:49 PM
pp, #14525, there's a problem with that picture...no autumn colors in June!
14543. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 3:30:39 PM
I told ms PP about yer refusal to meet with me...she said "smart woman"...
14544. thoughtful - 6/15/2001 3:33:19 PM
I like ms pp...she's a good woman...must be to put up with the likes of you!
}:-)
14545. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 3:34:40 PM
Thoughful...do you know much about investment banking?
14546. thoughtful - 6/15/2001 3:39:19 PM
Why, You want to give me some money to invest for you? Happy to perform the service...
14547. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 3:42:29 PM
No...I meant IB, bringing money and business together, as in Goldman etc...i have a son in it and I was just wondering.
14548. PsychProf - 6/15/2001 3:44:15 PM
High Yield bonds, M and A, etc....
14549. thoughtful - 6/15/2001 3:46:30 PM
I know a little about it...what were you wondering.
14550. thoughtful - 6/15/2001 3:46:49 PM
is this the son who hits like a champ?
14551. MsIvoryTower - 6/15/2001 9:36:46 PM
My God
I'm in shock. Woods played worse today and yesterday then I've ever seen him play since he turned professional. He missed short birdie putts; he missed almost all the greens and fairways on the front nine; he routinely hit the sand traps.
He managed to get down to +4 after finally hitting birdies on the 11th and 12th, but then bogied another one to finish his second round at +5.
If he's damn lucky, he might make the cut for the final two days.
Brookes had quite a round today, he was 6 under for the round last I checked, but no one was under -4 for the round as of yet. Several will have to finish their rounds tomorrow, so we might not know where the cut will be until well into the day.
I wonder if all the media attention and hype finally got to Woods. He sure played these first two rounds like it did.
14552. Stumbo - 6/16/2001 12:03:38 AM
MsIT:
Woods will make the cut, and -- who knows? -- he might still bounce back. I wouldn't totally put it past him to shoot a coupla 63's on the weekend.
Attention, hype, pressure? Perhaps. But surely the pressure was higher at the Masters, when he was going for a (record-breaking) 4th professional major in a row, a quasi-Slam, and all that.
(I mean, if some baseball player hit safely in 57 straight games, I wouldn't attribute his failure to do so in the 58th to attention or hype.)
I'm guessing he just played like crap, the same way we all occasionally play like crap (relative to our usual level, obviously.) It just happens. It was his bad luck that it happened at the U.S. Open, rather than at the East Buttfuck Classic.
14553. MsIvoryTower - 6/16/2001 8:52:55 AM
Hahahaha, Stumbo
You're right about him just having a couple of bad days, it's just so rare for these to occur at majors that it was shocking to see. One bad round would have been easy to understand, but two in a row? Haven't seen that for a long time from Woods.
As for me playing like crap, my game is always in the tank. The occasional is when I play well, not the reverse.
And, yes, he made the cut. I saw late last night that -4 was the lowest score on the board, so the cut will be at +6. I also don't count him out, he could definitely play the next two rounds in the very low 60's and be right in contention, but he could also continue to hit some of the worse shots I've seen him hit. Any more tree hits and he's not going to pull this one out of the bag.
On the other hand, it would be great to see Duval or Mickelson take this year's Open, both had very good rounds yesterday. Duval was looking particularly good on the course yesterday, and has placed himself well for the next two rounds.
I will remain glued to the TV to see what happens.
14554. PsychProf - 6/16/2001 2:25:04 PM
ROCKER ROCKED
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14555. PsychProf - 6/16/2001 2:27:16 PM
KEEPS ON TRUCKIN
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14556. PsychProf - 6/16/2001 2:29:02 PM
14557. jexster - 6/16/2001 2:29:26 PM
Bond's Barrage Leaves A's in Awe
TEN games ahead of McGuire's 1998 pace to 35 HR. Bonds now at 36....that's years and HR's
14558. PsychProf - 6/16/2001 2:33:10 PM
Jex...beat ya by 24 seconds.
14559. jexster - 6/16/2001 3:06:07 PM
We're Not Worthy!!!!!!!!
And neither is the @*?%! front office for unloading talent and replacing with dog shit.
14560. jexster - 6/16/2001 3:08:27 PM
ooo nasty or maybe artsy!
14561. PsychProf - 6/17/2001 11:37:08 AM
To all the Dad's here at The Mote, and to all with a Dad or memory of one...my best.
14562. JudithAtHome - 6/17/2001 11:39:33 AM
Mark Brookes owned the golf course so near my house I could walk there...he turned it over to our village about 2 years ago.
14563. JudithAtHome - 6/17/2001 11:40:21 AM
That was to MsIT; looks rather "out of the blue" there, huh?
14564. joezan - 6/18/2001 12:25:03 AM
Frickin' Yankees...
14565. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/18/2001 12:34:06 AM
I can't believe the putting collapse by both Cink and Goosen on the 18th hole. If either of them had avoided three-putting (from short distances) the situation would be entirely different.
I also can't believe I stayed up all night to watch that... and have to stay up again tomorrow night for the @#$%& playoff.
It all reminds me of Jean Vandevelde in the 1999 British Open. When you get unknowns on the 18th hole of a major, anything can happen.
Worst of all, after the Open TV coverage, the Mets-Yankees game was on, so I stayed up longer to watch that too... and it was worth it. So, who needs sleep?
14566. MsIvoryTower - 6/18/2001 9:12:05 AM
Irv
I couldn't believe what happened at the 18th hole either. I cringed the whole time I watched Cink, then when Goosen three-putted, I literally had to walk away from the TV screen.
This was possibly one of the least inspiring Opens I've seen in a while. I enjoyed watching Goosen, but wasn't behind him. I wanted to see Woods blaze, but knew he wouldn't be in contention after his less then stellar 3rd round (which wasn't bad, but didn't do what he needed). Duval also sputtered on the 3rd round, so I kinda lost hope for him on Sunday as well. He continued his mediocre run in the final round.
Then there was Mickelson. Was there ever a better opportunity for him to step up and take this major? No. Did he crash and burn on Sunday? Yes.
Finally, what is with Garcia? He's so charming to watch sometimes, but his pre-hit routine was out of control both Saturday and Sunday. I couldn't bear to watch him try to hit the ball.
However, it was fun to see Singh hit 64 in his final round after struggling all week, and watching Mediate do well was also a thrill. Seeing the three top players all three-putt the final hole was not the way you expect to have the Open end, though.
I hope Woods regains his timing and can sweep the field at the British Open in July.
14567. Stumbo - 6/18/2001 11:05:37 AM
Boston Herald headline: "Goosen Lays Egg"
I, too, found Garcia's routine quite annoying. And his try-risky-shots-amid-trees bit finally blew up in his face.
In the playoff, I gotta root for Brooks. At least his 3-putt wasn't as ridiculous.
(But I can well understand missing a gimme under such conditions. I think I've told a similar pinball story, at some point.)
14568. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 11:59:23 AM
FOWL PUTT COOKS GOOSEN
cluck on photo 
14569. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 12:01:23 PM
MIGHTY MIKE
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14570. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 12:03:23 PM
SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY
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14571. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 12:06:01 PM
HORSE ON HORSE
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14572. 19RBI - 6/18/2001 1:01:21 PM
Hey PP -
Spent the weekend at Turner Field, basking in the glow of the Red Sox taking two of three from the Braves. Saturday night's crowd was the second largest in Turner Field's (brief) history...albeit 40% of it was decked out in Boston paraphenalia. I did a nifty (if I do say so myself) slide step down Section 137, row 23 as Darin Lewis threw to first to complete a game ending double play on Sunday. The folks sitting behind me (also Sox fans) told me Michael Jackson couldn't have done it better himself....
And to cap off a perfect weekend, as I made the two hour drive home following the flight back from Atlanta, I was able to hear the joy in the WFAN announcer's voice as Piazza's two run homer flew over the left centerfield bleachers. My verbal reaction: "YANKEES LOSE! DAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YANKEES LOSE!"
Of course, with the Yanks now on a competely unacceptable 1 game losing streak, they'll be forced to get Urbina within the next 48 hours. The good news: such a move would once again make the Yanks the highest paid team in baseball - the title George wanted so desperately to avoid this year.
I try to focus on that fact that most Yankee fans aren't as level headed as Diva - this keeps my hatred alive and well.
And Riv - I've got to agree with you....if it takes 13,000 Red Sox fans to sellout the stadium of a team that has won their division 9 years and counting....well, that's just terrible.
- Whippersnapper :)
14573. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 1:53:58 PM
The ever peripatetic 19RBI, this time found in the confines of Atlanta...
14574. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 2:29:28 PM
14575. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 2:53:50 PM
I hereby declare the " Snodgrass effect"(you no more known than yer last post) inoperative at PP's Sports Bar...customers will be immortalized in the proprietor's memory and a plaque behind the bar commemorates all patronage. So there, that is settled.
14576. marjoribanks - 6/18/2001 3:56:18 PM
Yup, 19rbi was right, Yanks got Urbina.
Pity about losing D'Angelo Jimenez, he was a favorite of mine after his cameo two seasons ago. But the big righty will help a lot. The bullpen is ludicrously thin after Stanton and Rivera at this point, it's amazing that the Yankees are still pitching so well overall.
14577. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 4:12:24 PM
RELIEF FOR RETIEF
click on us open winner 
14578. Toenails - 6/18/2001 5:01:38 PM
Like a lot of people, I stay glued to the tube whenever Tiger is contending in a tournament, especially a major.
But it was kinda fun this week, watching the U.S. Open with 6-7-8 people fighting for traction the final two days, and big names exploding one-by-one, leaving it for three Other Guys to fight it out on Sunday.
And Goosen (et al.) might have screwed up the 18th hole, but the guy really made some gutsy shots all week long, and deserved to win. I hope he decides to play more frequently in the U.S
14579. PsychProf - 6/18/2001 5:26:06 PM
FITTIN IN
click on photo 
14580. MsIvoryTower - 6/19/2001 12:05:08 AM
Well, Goosen was able to take the Open today in the playoff round. He managed to play even par and to finish out the 18th hole without another disasterous three-putt.
In interviews afterward, he seemed to baffle the media with his rather low-key style and less then emotional reaction to winning. I heard one commentator reach into Goosen's past to try and explain his demeanor as being the possible result of his being struck by lightening at the age of 18. Now that was one of the funnier stretches I've seen from the media.
14581. don s. - 6/19/2001 12:25:57 AM
My dad and his mother came to Tucson, Arizona, from Detroit when he was 7 years old. Later, he would spend summers in Detroit with his dad, attending Tigers games whenever possible. During the '80s and '90s, when he couldn't wrangle a token trip back to Tiger Stadium, he would console himself by flying out to California to catch one or both of the team's annual road trips to Anaheim.
When a franchise was finally awarded to Phoenix, his disappointment that we were apparently getting stuck with a National League club was palpable. Still, the notion of interleague play and its promised divisional roation held out some hope that he could someday watch his beloved Tigers play in his adopted state.
Well, we all know that divisional rotation hasn't exactly panned out in favor of increasingly tired "subway" series and intrastate rivalries. But finally, this year, the Tigers came to Arizona.
As I sat in the stands for each of the three games last weekend, I could only imagine my dad's joy. If he were only here to enjoy it.
14582. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/19/2001 12:37:06 AM
Msit:
The American media never ceases to amaze me. Of course, everyone in the world should react as an American would. It's only natural.
I like Goosen's style... and I think a lot of golfers could learn some good lessons from him. And the 18th green on Sunday merely showed he was human... but I suppose someone is saying he missed that putt because of the lightning.
I stayed up all night for three nights with my kids (who are golf fanatics) to watch the Open... and it was worth it.
Toenails:
Nice post. My feelings exactly.
PP:
Get it right. The Snodgrass Law is "you're only as good as your last post." And I think it's appropriate that it's suspended for this thread.
14583. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/19/2001 12:43:13 AM
Ok, now for my rant... I couldn't decide whether to post this here, in International, or in the Rants thread... I might repost it in those anyway.
I spent the weekend watching the US Open on ESPN International, which featured one of the stupidest, most irritating ads I have ever seen. It went like this:
"Watch NHL Hockey, the truly international sport. Players hail from every corner of the globe: Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Russia, Lithuania, Canada and the US."
Seems to me that that's just a tiny corner of the globe: northern white folks. The vast majority of us live elsewhere. If any American sport can be considered international, it's basketball, which has in recent years featured players from North America, Latin America, the Middle East, Africa, Europe, Asia and Australia, though the vast majority of players remain African Americans.
For a truly international sport, try soccer.
Hockey? Gimme a break.
14584. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/19/2001 12:44:39 AM
Even baseball does better, with players from North America, Latin America, Asia, Europe and Australia... in fact, I'd bet baseball has a higher percentage of international players than any other American sport.
14585. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/19/2001 12:46:34 AM
don:
I'm sorry your dad didn't get a chance to see the Tigers in Arizona. But I'm glad you did.
14586. don s. - 6/19/2001 12:48:43 AM
Yeah, it's kind of sad. His Ireland golf trip was booked before he saw the Diamondbacks' schedule.
14587. PsychProf - 6/19/2001 12:15:30 PM
Don...nice story.
14588. PsychProf - 6/19/2001 1:42:49 PM
CAL'S STORY
click on photo 
14589. PsychProf - 6/19/2001 1:49:55 PM
CARDS WILL DO BETTER NOW WITH FULL DECK
click on photo 
14590. Frankster - 6/19/2001 3:38:25 PM
I thought I'd stop by for a second to let y'all know that I'm going to see the Giants play the Padres tomorrow night.
Barry Bonds has always eaten Padre pitching alive, so maybe we'll get to see him blast one out into the rightfield stands as he continues on his torrid pace to set a new homerun record -- Geez, is he on fire!
...Daddy Bobby doesn't think his son will break any homerun record because of the divisional play in the second half of the season. He thinks they won't pitch to him.
14591. PsychProf - 6/19/2001 3:51:01 PM
Frank...take some photos at the park and we'll putem up here.
14592. MsIvoryTower - 6/19/2001 6:10:57 PM
Irv
Don't know that the media expects all sportsmen to react like an American, but they were baffled by Goosen's seemingly unemotional reaction to anything on or off the course, good or bad.
I liked the man, myself, and felt he handled himself well in the news conferences, even if he was a bit taciturn. I certainly had a preference for him to win over Brooks, if only because no one deserves to go down in history as the one who gave away the Open on the last hole.
I really thought he had a very smooth swing and style on the course, so I'll be watching to see if he can distinguish himself further in the upcoming tournaments. I like to watch the european matches, anyway, and I'm grateful that I get the Golf Channel, which broadcasts them routinely.
14593. Indiana Jones - 6/19/2001 9:16:52 PM
No comments re 14588?
14594. seadate - 6/19/2001 10:59:21 PM
I occasionally keep up with my local team, but am not a big MLB fan. Cal is such a class act in a sportsworld of selfish, out-of-touch, mink-wearing multi-millionaires.
It will be interesting to see if his desire to run a major league organization is met with a suitable opportunity.
14595. Toenails - 6/20/2001 7:13:17 AM
Cal's a great man but, wow, as an Oriole fan, I'm really glad he's finally packing it in.
It's painful to watch him on offense now. He's almost an automatic easy grounder to shortstop, and if he comes up with a man on first, forget it, it's Double Play City.
I'd give a lot to see a last-half comeback resulting in good numbers for his final season...but I'm not holding my breath.
14596. Indiana Jones - 6/20/2001 10:08:05 AM
Where does Ripken rank among the all-time great shortstops?
14597. PsychProf - 6/20/2001 11:49:49 AM
Indy...I'll see what I can find on Ripken and his place among shortstops when things slow down today.
14598. Frankster - 6/20/2001 12:23:08 PM
Where does Ripken rank among the all-time great shortstops?
I dunno. Maybe it's how things eventually filter out here on the west coast via the media, but I have always heard that Cal Ripken was not one of baseball's more endearing players. I certainly never cared for what he did to fellow teammate, the late Alan Wiggins, and he was known to dog not just fellow teammates, but coaches and managers also. It was Ripken's way, or you were history. True ?
14599. marjoribanks - 6/20/2001 12:27:30 PM
Ripken is selfish and it was in fact his way or byebye. hell, he was caught bypassing the dugout and calling the pitches in a game directly.
However, he has tended to his fan base very assiduously. And he has been good for baseball over all. Plus, there was a time even I remember when he was a superb defensive player and a tenacious figure at bat.
However, I don't know if he'd be a HOF'er without the streak, or even whether he'd have played anything near as long without it. Right now, he is a mediocre third sacker.
14600. Frankster - 6/20/2001 12:37:00 PM
Majori,
I have heard of stories like that one of the calling of pitching.
By the way, did anyone hear of Mike Mentsger's(sp?) death ? He was the guy who lost to Arnold Swarzneggar(sp?) in the movie, Pumping Iron. He was only 49, and his brother, Ray, also a competitive bodybuilder died 24 ours later while making funeral arrangements.
14601. marjoribanks - 6/20/2001 1:18:11 PM
14602. Toenails - 6/20/2001 1:31:15 PM
I suspect the sudden appearance of all these rips on Ripken are a bit overblown--as are the paeans of praise that have been heaped on the guy for the past five years or more.
Sure, he's Hall of Fame material (he's a helluva lot better than Bill Mazeroski, for instance), but take away the streak and he might have required 3-4 years of balloting to make it in. His 3000+ hits required 'way longer to accumulate than most of his fellow members of that club. I wouldn't be surprised if his lifetime batting average is the lowest of anyone who ever got 3000 hits.
In short, Cal was a way above-average hitter with good power, and a way above-average fielder with good hands (and limited range). 'Sort of a durable version of Vern Stephens.
14603. PsychProf - 6/20/2001 2:35:39 PM
A shortstop with 3000 hits will not make it on the first or second ballot?
14604. PsychProf - 6/20/2001 2:37:00 PM
Banks...if Cal selfish, what is left to characterize Bonds?
14605. PsychProf - 6/20/2001 2:40:31 PM
Banks...yes, Ripken is a mediocre thirdbaseman now. That is why he is retiring. Indeed, Willie Mays was lousy centerfielder for the Mets at the end of his playing time...and the "if not for his streak" crap is just that. To play that position well, for so long, is incredible.
14606. don s. - 6/20/2001 3:29:28 PM
It hurts when I do this … 
14607. marjoribanks - 6/20/2001 4:17:10 PM
Well, Prof, I had forgotten about the 3000 hits. So he's a HOfamer, I don't care one way or the other.
--
I like Bonds, by the way. How is he selfish? Because he doesn't talk to the media? More power to him. I never undestood why Eddie Murray was also pilloried for this.
14608. marjoribanks - 6/20/2001 4:18:28 PM
my comments were bold, but not bold.
Pity about Urbina, he was the best possible fit. Anyone else the Yanks get will be second-best.
14609. marjoribanks - 6/20/2001 4:19:16 PM
nice ones, don s.
14610. don s. - 6/20/2001 4:20:46 PM
Sorry. I can't believe I did that.
But it's really Prof's fault; I was just imitating his banner headline style....
14611. PsychProf - 6/20/2001 4:20:59 PM
toys
14612. Frankster - 6/20/2001 7:56:58 PM
Frank...take some photos at the park and we'll putem up here.
PP,
I've got some pretty good first base seats for tonight's game, but I don't think I'll be taking any pictures this time ... What kind of pictures did you want ??? Pictures of the "Q" (Qualcomm Stadium), or of me downing a beer ? ;-)
I'm afraid the lack of a decent telescopic lens makes field shots out of the question. :-(
14613. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 12:20:12 AM
Speaking of ballpark photos, here's one I took last month at a fine new ballpark... the home of the best team in baseball: 
14614. don s. - 6/21/2001 1:39:12 AM
I'm gettin' nothin' here, picwise.
14615. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 1:48:20 AM
hmmm... it's a broken link on my screen now, too. It appeared earlier.
Let me look into this...
14616. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 1:52:08 AM
Do links to photos on Geocities no longer work? I know some sites won't allow linking to pics.
14617. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 1:54:35 AM
Good grief. It appears Geocities has suspended my web page for posting that link.
14618. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 1:57:31 AM
OK, it's just that photo they've suspended.
So, what's a better site to use for posting pics?
14619. Frankster - 6/21/2001 3:20:21 AM
I was there tonight and witnessed some history.
Knock him for his attitude with the media. Knock him for his post season production in previous years, and I'll even go a step farther by suggesting y'all knock him (along with the rest of his Giant teammates) for wearing pants that almost cover their respective shoes, but one thing one can't knock are his prodigious homerun (career and this season) numbers -- I believe he is hitting one every other game this year. Barring injury and/or second half division play which will more than likely pitch around him, this man will certainly shatter McGwire's homerun record.
... Bonds just loves Padre pitching, particularly at the "Q" here in San Diego, so the chances were pretty good I'd see one launched tonight.
14620. Toenails - 6/21/2001 7:58:15 AM
If it took almost 40 years to break Maris' record, what are we to think if, a mere 3-4 years later, along comes another guy who shatters the new record? Don't forget that McGwire's feat was 'way beyond Maris' piddily little ol' 61 homers)?
'Gotta think it's getting a little too easy to lose one. When Brady Anderson hit 50, I wondered how long it would be before we had our first pitcher to hit 15 homers in a season, just playing every fifth day.
That could happen pretty soon, at least at Coors Field, or in Houston.
14621. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 9:13:27 AM
OK, trying this again...
Speaking of ballpark photos, here's one I took last month at a fine new ballpark... the home of the best team in baseball: 
14622. Toenails - 6/21/2001 9:19:16 AM
That doesn't look like Camden Yards to me.
14623. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 2:14:45 PM
Great shot Snod...nose bleed section?
14624. Frankster - 6/21/2001 2:48:13 PM
Great shot Snod...nose bleed section?
Ha-ha-ha! I thought the only ones acquainted with such heights were airline stewardesses. That shot is wa-a-a-a-ay up there.
14625. 19RBI - 6/21/2001 2:51:44 PM
Safeco looks like a great stadium!
Steinbrenner Nightmare....
2002 Yankee Schedule:
April 1 - October 1 @ Detroit Tigers
14626. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 2:53:51 PM
POWER SURGE
click on photo 
14627. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 2:58:18 PM
Mile High Club.
14628. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 3:02:39 PM
19 RBI...TigerTime for Georgie...BTW, Snod and Don S. have Tiger roots.
14629. 19RBI - 6/21/2001 3:06:46 PM
I saw Don S.'s post the other day - very nice.
Lots of pressure on Mussina and Clemens to win every time they pitch now....
14630. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 3:16:00 PM
19RBI...I had the pleasure of meeting Don in NYC awhile ago...he is now a Rattler fan and lives somewhere out West.
14631. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 5:20:46 PM
PP (and Fraaaaaank):
Great shot Snod...nose bleed section?
Hahahaha... I didn't know it was so obvious... we were in the second to the last row of the upper deck... that's what happens when you get tickets for the Mariners on game day.
19RBI:
Great to see you again! Safeco is probably the nicest stadium I've ever been to... though I'll always have a soft spot for the old Tiger Stadium.
14632. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 5:32:39 PM
Breakfast time at the Snods...Irv...I'd still like to know who has that ball...well, if someone gets some happiness...
14633. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 5:39:36 PM
THE ANSWER
click on bUmbino 
14634. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/21/2001 5:42:27 PM
Me too, PP... I wanted that ball...
14635. PsychProf - 6/21/2001 5:47:40 PM
Next time we get together I'll put one in yer hand...
14636. 19RBI - 6/22/2001 9:01:41 AM
There's a whole lot of season to go.....but there's something pretty groovy about the Red Sox and Cubs being tied for the second best record in baseball in late June....
14637. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/22/2001 10:15:08 AM
Even groovier is the team with the best record...
14638. don s. - 6/22/2001 10:31:33 AM
... in the NL.
14639. don s. - 6/22/2001 10:32:29 AM
... or rather, most wins.
... or something.
14640. PsychProf - 6/22/2001 1:11:16 PM
SLUGGING SAILORS
click on photo 
14641. PsychProf - 6/22/2001 1:13:14 PM
89 PITCHES
click on photo 
14642. Toenails - 6/22/2001 1:13:15 PM
I can see it now--Red Sox meet the Cubs in the World Series...and nobody wins!
14643. PsychProf - 6/22/2001 1:16:11 PM
Headline..."NOBODY WINS!!! NOBODY WINS!!!"
14644. PsychProf - 6/22/2001 1:18:05 PM
19RBI...our mutual friend is up for review at 3...
14645. PsychProf - 6/22/2001 1:35:51 PM
GREENE MONSTER
click on photo 
14646. PsychProf - 6/22/2001 3:40:13 PM
TIGER STALLS AT BUICK OPEN
click on photo 
14647. Frankster - 6/22/2001 3:53:14 PM
PP,
Given the following he attracts, a better caption might have been:
Tiger causes Buick to stall
I still don't understand how Greene, or any world class sprinter for that matter, can run that fast.
14648. don s. - 6/23/2001 2:22:11 AM
re Message # 14637
OK. Now we have the best record in the NL.
Thank you.
14649. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/23/2001 4:30:46 AM
Still a far cry from the best record in baseball...
14650. ranheim - 6/23/2001 7:26:32 AM
Anyone here from (or close) to Atlanta?
I suspect that John Rocker's presence in the clubhouse was not positive; thus the trade.
I do not follow the American League; so know nothing about the two relief pitchers that Atlanta got from Cleveland : Steve Karsay and Steve Reed. Seems to me that I remember Reed in the National League years ago. That would make him in his mid-30s.
Seems to me that Atlanta paid a high price to Cleveland for taking Rocker off their hands. As they also lost a #1 draft choice in Troy Cameron : an improving 3rd baseman.
14651. PsychProf - 6/23/2001 11:34:25 AM
Ranheim...here is MSNBC's take on the deal...
GOT RIDA HIM
click on photo 
14652. ranheim - 6/23/2001 11:59:27 AM
Enjoyed the link, PsychP!
Thank you.
14653. jexster - 6/23/2001 9:19:27 PM
For the TRULY well heeled....
Try the McCovey Cove Patrol...yes you can rent a boat, full bar, buffet, full screen HDTV and watch the Giants play at PacBell Park from McCovey Cove.
Its available for the upcoming series with the Dodgers and fireworks show....
866-COVE-PATROL
14654. PsychProf - 6/24/2001 3:51:22 PM
I just downloaded WHOS ON FIRST as a wav. file to be played on winamp...it just cracks me up.
14655. ranheim - 6/24/2001 6:14:36 PM
Way too early - but, so far, the trade looks good for Atlanta. Steve Reed pitched scoreless innings both yesterday and today in the Braves sweep of the Mets. It was not a save situation, but, Steve Karsay pitched the final two innings of the game today.
John Rocker had a save today in the Indians' win over Kansas City. However, Braves' announcer Skip Carey mentioned that in a press conferance Rocker made this comment following a question "Boy! You guys sure ask stupid questions don't you?" One could have expected a better start -but, possibly, Rocker is one who never learns.
14656. PsychProf - 6/25/2001 12:33:55 PM
No need to learn when one is already blessed with sufficient knowledge and maximum wisdom.
14657. PsychProf - 6/25/2001 2:29:08 PM
This somewhat brings to mind the Gary Templeton quote, when he was playin for the Cards..."If I ain't startin, I ain't departin"...
IMPOSITION
click on roger the dodger 
14658. PsychProf - 6/25/2001 2:34:47 PM
TIGER OUT OF GAS A BUICK OPEN
click on photo 
14659. PsychProf - 6/25/2001 3:38:21 PM
BUMS ARE BACK
click on photo 
14660. PsychProf - 6/25/2001 8:52:43 PM
Teh SportsBar is filled with sound of Andrea Boccelli...Ave Maria...ga night folks...
14661. Toenails - 6/26/2001 8:15:55 AM
Tony Batista will lead the Orioles out of the Wilderness. (You read it here first.)
14662. MsIvoryTower - 6/26/2001 9:41:29 AM
PP's
Tiger Woods has not been playing in top form for the last two weeks. He continued his lackluster play at the Buick Classic from the week before. I have a feeling that had he not committed to this week's tournament prior to the US Open, he wouldn't have been there. He's only played the event twice before.
I think he plays a couple more events before the British Open in mid-July, so I'll be watching to see if he can regain his momentum before then.
Garcia was really hot at the Buick Classic, and it was good to see him come back strongly after faltering badly on the last day of the Open, but his pre-hit routine still bothers the hell out of me. I really hadn't noticed it much before this year, perhaps because he wasn't the focus of as much media coverage at tournaments, but at some point, the indecision as to when to strike has to backfire on him.
14663. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 11:32:35 AM
Missie...Tiger shills for Buick on the tube, so his presense is sorta expected...
14664. Toenails - 6/26/2001 1:45:43 PM
Correct. Tiger never met a Buick he didn't like.
14665. Toenails - 6/26/2001 1:48:11 PM
Way too early - but, so far, the trade looks good for Atlanta....
Damned straight. Anytime you can rid yourself of a disease, it looks good. Atlanta will be in first place by next weekend.
Now, if we could just find out what's wrong with the Mets.
14666. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 2:18:42 PM
14667. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 3:07:23 PM
Sing it...
" I hope you never lose your sense of wonder.
You get your fill to eat but always keep that
hunger.
May you never take one single breath for
granted.
God forbid love ever leave you empty
handed.
I hope you still feel small when you stand
beside the ocean.
Whenever one door closes I hope one more
opens.
Promise me that you'll give faith a fighting
chance.
And when you get the choice to sit it out or
dance.
I hope you dance.
I hope you dance."
14668. seadate - 6/26/2001 3:17:37 PM
For the more simple-minded:
I'd like to be a jellyfish
'cause jellyfish don't pay rent
They don't walk
They don't talk
With some eurotrash accent
They're just simple protoplasm
Clear as cellophane
They ride the winds of fortune
Life without a brain. .... etc etc
14669. PelleNilsson - 6/26/2001 3:34:00 PM
Can a country that plays baseball be all bad?
14670. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 3:50:18 PM
Peele...neat link. The peace process has begun.
14671. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 5:26:00 PM
14672. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 5:28:24 PM
HAHAHA..."Peele"...I have to decide...work or play...
14673. PsychProf - 6/26/2001 5:54:09 PM
PP's SportsBar regulars and wannabes party in mountains... 
14674. arkymalarky - 6/26/2001 6:25:28 PM
Great picture, PP!
14675. ElliottRW - 6/26/2001 8:22:48 PM
Baseball trivia:
Lou has a 22 game hitting streak. In his next game, he is intentionally walked 5 times. He never gets to swing at a ball.
Is his streak over?
14676. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 8:33:30 PM
PP:
Wonderful pic!
Elliott:
Yes.
14677. ElliottRW - 6/26/2001 8:44:05 PM
Irving,
Thanks for the info. Second question: has it ever happened?
14678. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 8:48:16 PM
Elliott:
I highly doubt it. Streaks have been stopped by games where a player failed to get a base hit, but walked, however.
14679. Stumbo - 6/26/2001 8:57:18 PM
What if he misses a game due to a cold?
14680. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 9:00:27 PM
Tough luck. Streaks have been stopped by injuries, too.
14681. OhioSTOPAS - 6/26/2001 9:01:25 PM
Message # 14675: The correct answer is . . .
Who cares?
The "hitting streak" is the most pointless statistic in sports. Sure, you have to have a sustained period of good hitting to have a lengthy hitting streak, but what does it matter that your hits during the period were distributed evenly so that you had at least one hit in each game? That fact doesn't help your team win a single game.
14682. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 9:06:18 PM
Ohio:
I dunno... a hot player usually helps his team. I'll bet if you checked the records of teams with a player on a streak, they'd be over .500. A player on a streak isn't in a vacuum... he usually inspires his teammates. Plus, if the rest of the team isn't hitting, he won't get pitches to hit.
14683. ElliottRW - 6/26/2001 9:07:20 PM
Ohio,
I think I agree with you; hitting streaks are pretty unimportant.
But wait...so is baseball.
14684. OhioSTOPAS - 6/26/2001 9:12:14 PM
Joe Dimaggio over those 56 games in 1941:
.408 batting average, .717 slugging percentage.
Damn good. But why is that so celebrated when Ted Williams accomplished .406 and .725 over the entire season?
14685. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 9:14:19 PM
Elliott:
Maybe because Dimaggio's Yankees won the pennant? I'm sure Joe's efforts were a factor in that, as well.
14686. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 9:14:57 PM
Oops... that should be addressed to Ohio. Sorry.
14687. OhioSTOPAS - 6/26/2001 9:19:19 PM
Irv: Do you think DiMaggio's 56-game performance helped his team's season more than Williams' 154-game performance helped his?
14688. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 9:22:09 PM
Ohio:
It doesn't really matter. I am certain that his 56-game performance helped his team more than if he hadn't had it, and that is all that is needed to defend the streak as a worthwhile accomplishment.
14689. ElliottRW - 6/26/2001 9:22:59 PM
He he, you guys are fun to watch. Keep it up.
I'm also watching philly-atlanta right now. It's a "pitchers duel" which means it's close, if not terribly exciting. Looks like it might go extra innings.
14690. OhioSTOPAS - 6/26/2001 9:27:39 PM
DiMaggio's streak was a worthwhile accomplishment, but no more than any other 2-month, .400-plus tear, which has probably happened a couple of dozen times.
14691. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/26/2001 9:40:41 PM
Sure... and each time I'm certain it was helpful to the team. I wouldn't count a hitting streak as "the most pointless statistic in sports." It has more meaning (and contributes more to the team) than a consecutive games played streak, for example.
14692. MsIvoryTower - 6/26/2001 10:26:03 PM
hey Irv!
PP's,
I know Woods is the spokesman for Buick now, that's surely why he played this year, but he has only played it twice in the past, preferring to skip this tournament previously. He supposedly doesn't like the timing of the tournament (either the week before or right after the US Open).
We'll see if he does better next year.
14693. Frankster - 6/26/2001 10:29:33 PM
Shawn Estes of the Giants is already behind 4 zip after half an inning. The Padres are leading Colorado four to two in the fourth. Thank God for the flashback button on the remote.
Hey, great hitting streaks are great for bringing in the fans. :-)
14694. theDiva - 6/27/2001 10:24:17 AM
Following the link in 14671 made me laugh so hard I pulled a muscle.
Nice picture of some geeks, there, Prof.
Ohio, WRT your 14687, I'd have to know whose team won the pennant/Series in those years before I answered. (snicker)
14695. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 1:57:43 PM
Through the magic of videotape I was treated to an unusual sight last night...the stealing of first base. Lloyd McClendon, erstwhile first base coach of the Pirates, was the culprit. As one of his was streaking towards first base, a veritable blind flash of light, Lloyd, bent over in moonlike fashion, scoped out the crossing of the bag, and correctly determined(hands flatly extended in punctuated safelike fashion) that the runner was there first. The right side Umpire, to his utter amazement and intense visceral discontent, called it differently. Lloyd, after being ejected in response to his bellicose statements, whipped off his hat(why is it a given that ejection always results in the removing of the hat?), and with head steaming and gleaming from perspiration, "yanked", w/o a twist mind you, first base from its lodging in the ground...a task usually assigned to a waiting team of Budweiser horses corralled under the nearby stand. As he strolled in righteous anger and apparent disgust to his dugout, a grounds keeper, hired just for this contingency, quickly replaced the bag and, as always, they played some more ball. 
14696. theDiva - 6/27/2001 3:14:30 PM
Damn, I wish I'd seen that.
14697. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 3:16:54 PM
I may have embellished.
14698. theDiva - 6/27/2001 3:18:38 PM
hahahahahah
naaaahhhh......I'd never have guessed.
14699. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 3:23:02 PM
Do you think DiMaggio's 56-game performance helped his team's season more than Williams' 154-game performance helped his?
Who was MVP that year? (Pretty sure it was Joe D.)
14700. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 3:24:26 PM
LLOYD WASN'T ALWAYS STEALING BASES
click on photo 
14701. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 3:28:46 PM
Indy...Sportswriters despised Williams.
14702. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 3:35:35 PM
Here Lloyd instructs the Umpire on the Art and Science of Decision making... 
14703. don s. - 6/27/2001 3:44:30 PM
Here Lloyd instructs the Umpire on the Art and Science of Decision making...
Looks like Lloyd might know a little bit about the Art and Science of Sandwich making, too.
14704. theDiva - 6/27/2001 3:46:26 PM
yah, red beans and rice didn't miss him.....
14705. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 3:49:02 PM
PP: Bill James wrote a critique of that (the postulate that Williams was unfairly penalized by the sportswriters over the years re MVP voting).
Here are the lines for 1941:
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP
941 22 BOS AL 143 456 135 185 33 3 37 120 2 4 145 27 .406 .551 .735 335 0 3
1941 26 NYY AL 139 541 122 193 43 11 30 125 4 2 76 13 .357 .440 .643 348 0 4
Fielding
Year Ag Tm Lg Pos G PO A E DP FP lgFP RF lgRF
1941 22 BOS AL OF 133 262 11 11 2 .961 .973 2.05 2.33
1941 26 NYY AL OF 139 385 16 9 5 .978 .973 2.88 2.33
And the MVP vote: DiMaggio 291, Williams 254.
Their stats are reasonably close and DiMaggio's team won it all. I don't think Williams was cheated. (He won the MVP two times himself.)
14706. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 3:52:46 PM
Another link showing 1941's stat leaders.
14707. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 3:54:57 PM
BTW, I like Ted Williams and am not trying to knock him at all.
14708. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 3:58:33 PM
Two great players and interesting studies...each self-consumed in his own way.
14709. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 4:02:08 PM
PP: Yes, from the little I know, I think I would rather have hung around with Ted.
Read his autobiography and book on hitting when I was younger and used to practice just like he said. Never became quite the hitter he was, though. Heh.
DiMaggio never seemed to become comfortable in his own skin (to borrow FU's description of Gore). Williams seemed to wear his celebrity better in old age than he did when he played.
14710. don s. - 6/27/2001 4:02:22 PM
I will be at BOB tonight, watching to see whether Curt can prevent a sweep.
And I'll be sitting close enough to the visitors' on-deck circle to pass a note with my phone # on it to Moises, should he request it.
14711. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 4:03:19 PM
Not Aloued.
14712. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 4:04:55 PM
Neither men seemed to like their sons, a strikeout in PP's book on life.
14713. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 4:08:49 PM
"Umpires are making calls,"
McClendon said. "If it's right or wrong,
they don't give a damn. I don't think
that's fair. You talk about this new relationship with
umpires and management, how we need to
communicate? Try to get things right! I think I've bent
over backwards and I don't think I'm getting my just
reward.
14714. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 4:14:22 PM
PP: Hadn't heard about Williams' poor relationship with his son.
Salon story on the Splendid Splinter
It mentions his son as running his business, but it has at least one mistake in it, so it might have others. The business about the one voter costing Williams the 1947 MVP isn't exactly right, as James pointed out. The fact is that a sportswriter left DiMaggio off the ballot too.
14715. ElliottRW - 6/27/2001 4:18:24 PM
Neither men seemed to like their sons, a strikeout in PP's book on life.
Easy for you to say! (g) I do see your point, though.
14716. PsychProf - 6/27/2001 4:21:01 PM
indy...I have read reports that Ted has at least partially repaired the relationship...Elliott...Not my job to judge, but it's what I feel.
14717. Indiana Jones - 6/27/2001 4:52:25 PM
PP: Families are tougher even than hitting left-handed against left-handed pitching.
14718. OhioSTOPAS - 6/27/2001 8:10:57 PM
(Message # 14705) Williams' and DiMaggio's stats were "reasonably close", Indy? 50 points in batting average and nearly 100 in slugging percentage?
True, DiMaggio should get some points for defense, being a center fielder. But more valuable than Williams? Ha!
14719. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/27/2001 10:34:52 PM
I think it's fairly clear that Williams was a better player than Dimaggio, over his career, and probably in 1941 as well. But the MVP award usually goes to a player on the winning team (and this was more true back then), so it's no surprise (and not terribly unfair) that Dimaggio got it.
14720. Toenails - 6/28/2001 8:36:32 AM
If Williams had done his thing in Yankee Stadium, instead of in Boston, there wouldn't just be a little monument for him in center field, they'd probably have named it the "Ted Williams Center" instead of the "World Trade Center."
14721. Toenails - 6/28/2001 10:31:19 AM
Does anyone here happen to know what ESPN sportscaster Dan Patrick was doing professionally before he signed on with ESPN? (I'm trying to figure out why he seemed so familiar to me, right from the beginning.)
14722. Indiana Jones - 6/28/2001 10:44:38 AM
Ohio: The stats are decently close (that year). Williams hit for average much better, drew many more walks, and had a few more homers. DiMaggio had more hits, more doubles, more triples, and more RBIs. Still, edge to Williams. DiMaggio played centerfield and did a much better job of it than Williams in left. So it's not as though statistically Williams blows DiMaggio away.
And DiMaggio's team won the World Series, whereas Ted's team finished second in its league (I think). The vote was very close, which was appropriate, and DiMaggio won, which IMO was also appropriate.
14723. Indiana Jones - 6/28/2001 10:50:37 AM
Irv: Over their career it's also a tough call but you're likely right. DiMaggio played a tougher position and his team won more. As a righthander, he was handicapped by Yankee Stadium, whereas Williams was helped by Fenway. Both men were hampered by losing years to military service.
Most of what I would say in this argument is just regurgitation of James, whom I pretty much agree with. (The man almost always makes a persuasive argument.) Ultimately, James concludes that Williams was either the best or second best (to Ruth) hitter ever. At the same time, statistical analysis of home-road comparisons shows that had they switched parks, DiMaggio and Williams were pretty comparable.
And DiMaggio was the better fielder.
14724. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/28/2001 11:11:51 AM
Indy:
Agreed on all points (especially Bill James).
And you're right... Boston was second in '41, 8 1/2 games behind the Yanks.
14725. Wombat - 6/28/2001 11:12:47 AM
The question that touched off the Williams/Dimaggio debate hasn't been answered.
14726. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/28/2001 11:21:42 AM
I answered it... I dunno if it's a definitive answer.
14727. theDiva - 6/28/2001 11:24:07 AM
I forgot, what was the question, again? Seriously.
14728. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 11:28:08 AM
Toenails...Patrick was with CNN Sports before ESPN.
14729. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/28/2001 11:34:27 AM
The original question was about batting streaks. I'm not sure if Wombat means the question about whether batting streaks are meaningful, or the question about the value of Dimaggio's streak in 1941. Either way, I gave my opinion..
14730. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 11:36:03 AM
Hey Snod...let's grab our gloves and have a catch...
14731. Wombat - 6/28/2001 11:36:43 AM
The question was would a batting streak end if the batter had no official at-bats in a game. The consensus among the afficianados I hang with is that it would.
14732. theDiva - 6/28/2001 11:40:30 AM
Ah, that's right! Okay. Well, that depends. You could say it ended because the number of consecutive games in which he'd played also ended. Or, you could say that it didn't end because as long as the player was in a game and got a hit, the streak continued. I'd go with the former, though. The latter seems kinda cheesy to me.
14733. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 11:42:08 AM
Wombat...indeed...4 walks, 4 sacs, 4 hbp...once you appear on the scorecard and come to bat, you are in the game. That is what makes the Dimag streak so impressive.
14734. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 11:45:03 AM
14732 was actually written by Prof Irwin Corry.
14735. theDiva - 6/28/2001 11:48:10 AM
hey!
14736. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/28/2001 12:02:43 PM
Wombat:
I answered that question in the very first post to Elliott. The answer is yes, it would end.
14737. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 12:05:48 PM
HOME STRETCH
click on tony gwynn 
14738. marjoribanks - 6/28/2001 12:40:47 PM
Trading Knobby to Seattle would be, imo, the final straw for this season.
The yanks are limping right now. I've every confidence they'll make th playoffs at least, but what they do there is currently an openended question. Losing knobby (the little engine that drives the veteran-heavy savvy playoff offense) would not be wise. Furthermore, losing him to the team most likely to pose the Yanks their most serious challenge come the playoffs would be very unwise, very unwise indeed. Ichiro and Knobhby setting the table in the playoffs? bad news for any opponent, they may be all in all the two best leadoff hitters in baseball.
Don't do it, boyos. And definitely not to Seattle.
14739. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/28/2001 12:44:37 PM
Do it.
14740. 19RBI - 6/28/2001 12:50:42 PM
I agree - trading Chuckie to Seattle would not be a good move for the Yanks...
No Varitek, Pedro, Everett, Nomar, and Garces...there's no way out now - Red Sox about to hit a long & painful losing streak. Schourek and Kim anchoring mid-inning relief? Oi, my stomach hurts. Hell, let's bring ALL of Pawtucket up to play, and at least make this a novelty....
14741. theDiva - 6/28/2001 12:59:24 PM
Banks
True.
Irv
Quiet yourself, already
19RBI
You know, this morning when I read about Pedro (much to my sadness, actually, I love to watch the man pitch), it occurred to me why the Sox have done so well this season. (Bear with me here, and if you make ONE CRACK about Irwin Corey, the Big Geek gets a fresh one.) Their star players have, for the most part, been out of the picture and they have had to pull together as a team in order to get their wins. Kinda like the Yankees have done in the past. You know what I mean?
14742. 19RBI - 6/28/2001 1:00:27 PM
I agree - trading Chuckie to Seattle would not be a good move for the Yanks...
No Varitek, Pedro, Everett, Nomar, and Garces...there's no way out now - Red Sox about to hit a long & painful losing streak. Schourek and Kim anchoring mid-inning relief? Oi, my stomach hurts. Hell, let's bring ALL of Pawtucket up to play, and at least make this a novelty....
14743. theDiva - 6/28/2001 1:01:00 PM
radio buttons, son, radio buttons.
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
14744. 19RBI - 6/28/2001 1:07:49 PM
Oi...sorry about the double post - what a rookie I am. I should learn that I can't handle optical fibers and sports at the same time....
Deev - I do agree with you. They've played like a true team. Merloni & Lansing have picked up Nomar, Nixon is hitting better than Everett ever did, Daubach chips in with doubles and triples, and even Hillenbrand comes up with big hits. The last time the Red Sox won with a lineup that was this "non-superstar" centered (minus Manny, of course) was 1986. Perhaps there's hope yet.
I think we're gonna hit a slide, though....there comes a point where you just don't have enough talent on the field....
14745. theDiva - 6/28/2001 1:11:40 PM
The planets must be in alignment or something, I'm actually in accord with a Sox fan.
Though I have to say, selfishly, that I hope youse do hit that slide.
Any word on when Nomaaahh is due back? Now there's a fun guy to watch.
14746. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 1:15:03 PM
Blah Blah Blah...two geeks talkin to one another...
14747. theDiva - 6/28/2001 1:17:30 PM
bite me.
14748. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 2:47:51 PM
Next up on The Sports Bar Jukebox..."Ave Maria" by Andrea Boccelli and "Honkey Talk Angel" by Hank Thompson and Kitty Wells...any requests besides "bite me"...
14749. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 2:52:08 PM
YANKS READY TO THROW IN TOWEL
click on photo 
14750. theDiva - 6/28/2001 2:57:30 PM
How about 'Summer Wind' by Lyle Lovett?
Oh, and 'Bite me' is not a request, it is an epithet, you appleknocking goober.
14751. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 2:59:26 PM
Deev...I can't recall if I sent you a list of my music...refresh my memory...
14752. theDiva - 6/28/2001 3:01:08 PM
You most certainly did.
14753. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 3:08:46 PM
Winamp allows one to generate an html list for any file that it contains...you can arrange your music-icons by name in a Windows file, que them up (select all) in Winamp, save it, then open it anytime and generate the list. Neat huh! Sorry if everyone knows this, but I just learned.
14754. Frankster - 6/28/2001 3:35:46 PM
PP,
Thanks for the Tony Gwynn link. As a Padre fan, it's been rather painful to watch his injuries ( Knees, toes, heel, hamstring ) take him out of the line-up for the past few years and place him on the DL on a frequent basis, but father time will generally do that to one his age. A loyal hometown player whose unparalled work ethic and approach to the game resulted in HOF numbers and who could have made a ton more money elsewhere, he will be sorely missed. A class act off the field as well, as he was always accessable to the media and involved in the community also. The consummate ambassador to the sport.
... He's lobbied for the coaching position at his alma mater ( SDSU ), which opens up next year as coach Jim Dietz retires. If he gets the job, and many here think he would be a perfit fit ( The new state of the art stadium there bears his name ), I can only hope his success continues into the collegiate ranks as a coach and will lift an underachieving program into one of the best...Can you imagine learning how to hit from one of the all time best ?
His press conference is scheduled sometime in the next half hour, and I can only hope that MLB has some type of tribute planned for both he and Cal Ripken at the All-Star game.
On the turntable ? Memories, by Elvis
...Memories, pressed between the pages of my mind
Memories, sweeten through the ages just like wine ...
14755. theDiva - 6/28/2001 3:43:32 PM
cool stuff, Prof, I didn't know that.
Frankie, a Cal-Tony trib would be nice. What a couple of classy guys.
14756. Frankster - 6/28/2001 4:01:38 PM
Deev,
Gwynn did not want anykind of "Farewell tour" type associated with his retirement, but the constant hounding by reporters everywhere he went is apparently the reason he decided to announce that this will be his last season.
The local news have begun their programs with live shots of people at the stadium buying tickets for the month of September.
14757. Frankster - 6/28/2001 4:05:01 PM
Ack! He looks like he's about to lose it.
14758. PsychProf - 6/28/2001 5:54:05 PM
YOUTH IS SERVED OR SKEWERED?
click on photo 
14759. PsychProf - 6/29/2001 1:27:41 PM
NOT KIDDIN
click on jason kidd 
14760. don s. - 6/29/2001 9:37:15 PM
And now... belatedly ...
He’s baaaack! 
14761. PsychProf - 6/30/2001 2:05:53 PM
Nice glove.
14762. PsychProf - 7/1/2001 12:56:45 PM
TRADE IN FOR NEW MODEL
click on hasek 
14763. PsychProf - 7/1/2001 7:21:51 PM
DOING HIS JOB
click on manny ramirez 
14764. PsychProf - 7/1/2001 7:29:48 PM
Fish Philleted
click on photo 
14765. PsychProf - 7/1/2001 7:36:22 PM
DANCE WITH WHO YA BRUNG
click on photo 
14766. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 12:00:35 PM
Gator Watch... 
14767. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 1:50:51 PM
NO REPETE
click on photo 
14768. CalGal - 7/2/2001 1:53:43 PM
Sampras out at Wimbledon.
14769. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 3:13:22 PM
Perhaps I should have enlarged the photo.
14770. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 4:50:02 PM
CONGRATS TO M'S
click on photo 
14771. ranheim - 7/2/2001 5:15:40 PM
PP
They keep stallions away from mares; until their racing career is over.
Someone on ESPN actually said that Hingis is playing poorly lately do to the fact that she and her mother are at odds AND her love life, at times active, is now in shambles.
Should we blame Sampras' marriage on his recent lack of results?
14772. CalGal - 7/2/2001 5:18:08 PM
Sorry, Prof, that wasn't there when I posted--it takes forever for the pictures to load and as you can see, there's just three minutes between our posts.
14773. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 5:38:53 PM
Ranheim..Yes...and it accounts for a great deal of Motehead posting behavior as well...Calgal...I was just kidding.
14774. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 5:42:08 PM
BLUE JAYS STARTLED
click on photo 
14775. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 5:49:01 PM
American League All-Star Voting
Jul 2, 4:56 PM ET
1. John Olerud, Seattle, 674,253, 891,192, 1,565,445. 2. Jason Giambi, Oakland,
339,240, 374,951, 741,191. 3. Carlos Delgado, Toronto, 278,984, 398,835, 677,819. 4.
Jim Thome, Cleveland, 150,721, 396,275, 546,996. 5. Doug Mientkiewicz, Minnesota,
211,169, 324,815, 535,984. 6. Tino Martinez, New York, 147,459, 243,814, 391,273. 7.
Rafael Palmeiro, Texas, 89,559, 173,429, 262,988. 8. Wally Joyner, Anaheim, 26,496,
199,952, 226,448. 9. Mike Sweeney, Kansas City, 45,225, 131,535, 176,760. 10. Fred
McGriff, Tampa Bay, 57,066, 85,825, 142,891.
National League All-Star Voting
Jul 2, 4:55 PM ET
1. Todd Helton, Colorado, 566,189, 600,649, 1,166,838. 2. Mark McGwire, St. Louis,
331,050, 588,586, 919,636. 3. Jeff Bagwell, Houston, 262,565, 369,549, 632,114. 4.
Mark Grace, Arizona, 178,502, 209,266, 387,768. 5. J.T. Snow, San Francisco, 77,453,
203,703, 281,156. 6. Ryan Klesko, San Diego, 114,621, 143,351, 257,972. 7. Sean
Casey, Cincinnati, 96,138, 159,269, 255,407. 8. Richie Sexson, Milwaukee, 50,054,
132,424, 182,478. 9. Todd Zeile, New York, 65,463, 101,275, 166,738. 10. Matt Stairs,
Chicago, 52,211, 95,945, 148,156.
14776. Jenerator - 7/2/2001 6:01:56 PM
PsychProf,
If you wouldn't mind showing a little sympathy for us Texas Ranger fans...would you post a picture of my beloved Gabe Kapler.
Pretty please with sugar on top!
14777. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 6:07:51 PM
For Jen... 
14778. marjoribanks - 7/2/2001 6:16:13 PM
Hey, what's with the pic that Don s posted a while ago? What's the significance, I mean? The usual, or something a bit more, ahem, personal.
---
Ten days ago, the Yanks were in the doldrums. Little cracks in the facade, bullpen sputtering badly, injuries having an adverse affect.
But, oh glory be, these are still THOSE Yankees and today all is well. Blindingly swiftly, the holes have been plugged, the bullpen is bolstered significantly, feel-good stories abound, and they've reeled off their longest winning streak of the season.
Wohlers - big pick-up, great story. Gerald Williams - quietly a big pick-up, great comeback to pinstripes. That Polish-sounding fellow from out West is also a great pick-up. I think Wohlers will be one of the keys to the Yankees run this year, and I don't anticipate another slump from the team this year. In fact, I'm willing to bet even money that they'll be in first place all the way through after the All-Star break.
14779. marjoribanks - 7/2/2001 6:17:37 PM
It has to feel good to be in that clubhouse, or in the coaching staff of that team. A problem appears, and it is fixed. Period. And fast.
It is good to be a fan, too.
14780. don s. - 7/2/2001 6:26:42 PM
marj: Apparently, José Lima has returned to the Tigers organization. I was a few weeks late with the news, and I suppose it should've been illustrated with the scan of one of his Tigers baseball cards that I found on the 'net, but I couldn't resist the photo of him in his Mudhens uniform.
14781. Jenerator - 7/2/2001 6:46:34 PM
Even with a silly expression on his face, HE'S GORGEOUS!!!
Thanks Psych Prof, you've made my day.
14782. labwabbit - 7/2/2001 8:12:41 PM
Per request
Yep..
Hello. Sorry I didn't respond sooner...ton o' mail. Didn't quite make it to the pole. It'll have to be next year. The flight to Anchorage to Fairbanks to Wainwright was ok, but the outfit that was to deliver our group to Barrow then to Camp Ickachutuk at 83 degrees N was 1.5 days late. We holed up back in Barrow for almost two days while we waited for the 2nd pilot to show up after that (bad weather). When he did the second group had showed up and we all were "cavalier-ly" vying for the next flight. Bad news is...5 didn't go...good news is next year I'll be going for free (almost), and then, while hanging out at back at Cape Hope we heard that they, (the one's who continued on), ran into nasty weather and had to settle for 350 miles shy of true north. (Not to sound to un-gentlemanly but...HA!) [Not in mail: I agreed to postpone due to a group of 4 of which one was a terminal cancer patient ... disappointment was mine nevertheless at the time. Very interesting adventure anyway as I met several unique persons who made the "mis" adventure very enjoyable.]
More good news however...last friday after returning home, the wife and I decided to take a drive to the south-side at *edit* to see bears and what-not. We were standing on some rocks watching salmon congregate when we spotted a pod of 6 killer whales about 2000 yards out in the channel...but then they turned right toward us. (There were several people milling about by the bridge but we were right on the point by ourselves). All of a sudden *edit* (PP)...no freaking shit..they suddenly surface right at our feet. A huge male with a dorsel about 6-7 feet high came within 5 feet, (yes that 5!! feet from us). WHAT AN AWESOME-- AWESOME...just *!!!* feeling that I will never live long enough to describe. However it was immediately exceeded by one other feeling...
14783. labwabbit - 7/2/2001 8:12:53 PM
...the feeling I got when visions of those Natl Geographic films I seen where they go right up on shore to catch seals beform they squirm their way back to the water...I suddenly was really hoping that we did not appear to be seals to these beautiful giants. But they stayed right there for over 20 minutes. WOW *edit* (PP)...never would have had the experience if I'd have been standing at the pole eh? I'm still experiencing adrenalin surge 3 days later.
I am currently advertizing for anyone who may have had a camera and took our picture during this great, once in a lifetime rush. I'll tell you, if I had a camera, I don't think I would have had the presence of mind to use it...haha. We feel blessed...truly blessed.
14784. dusty - 7/2/2001 8:19:53 PM
Diva, I need some help. I'm trying to read the baseball standings, and I can't make out who is in first. I know what it looks like, but it is July, so I must be misreading it. They scored 16 (count'em) runs today. Who on earth could it be?
I know, I know, only a half game in first. the lead could be gone tomorrow. That's why I'm posting today.
14785. PsychProf - 7/2/2001 8:34:58 PM
Great story Lab...welcome back.
14786. ScottLoar - 7/2/2001 8:49:30 PM
That, Labwabbit, is a true adventure.
14787. labwabbit - 7/2/2001 9:01:35 PM
Hey ScottL
Good to see you stop into the bar.
You know Loar, just when you think nothing in the world can ever make you take a step back ever again...
(Can't say the same for B, haha, she ummm, still has a remarkable reflex for flight.)
By the time I turned around to say anything she was already 50' up the hill.
14788. labwabbit - 7/2/2001 9:21:56 PM
..but eventually returned after a bit of coaxing.
14789. Frankster - 7/2/2001 10:45:59 PM
Wow, Lab. What an adventure to say the very least ! Sounds like something you'll always remember.
... I've kinda have a few killer whale experiences myself, you know. And, I'm thinking of contacting National Geographic about them -- I use drop off my little sister at her job at Seaworld during her summer breaks from college. (g)
Think they'll go for it ?
14790. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 11:32:49 AM
Frankster
Doin' life through the eyes of a child whenever possible...which is more often than not.
Think they'll go for it ?
heh...I'd call first too.
We get more Natl Geo type geeks up here than we know what to do with. You can usually pick them out...you know the 130 lb body with 150 lbs of camera equipment hanging all over em.
14791. theDiva - 7/3/2001 11:36:43 AM
Dusty
Lay down, dear. The shock will pass.
14792. theDiva - 7/3/2001 11:38:32 AM
labwab
Amazing. I wish I'd been there. You absolutely must write a book someday.
14793. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 12:00:31 PM
Lay down, dear. The shock will pass.
I predict shortly after the All-Star break...
14794. theDiva - 7/3/2001 12:01:36 PM
I never speculate.
14795. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:02:31 PM
LAND OF THE RISING STARS
click on photo 
14796. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 12:02:33 PM
Bite me woman!
14797. theDiva - 7/3/2001 12:13:54 PM
in your dreams, ya moose-eatin goober.
14798. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:18:06 PM
I believe that Lab is a Dufus, rather than a goober...
14799. marjoribanks - 7/3/2001 12:18:55 PM
Fuckin Manny Ramirez. Did anyone else see the home run he hit yesterday? A pitch way out over the plate, he swung at it almost one-legged, and smashed it out 400 feet to dead center. No one else hits that ball there. I can see swiping it into right or even elevating it down the line to the opposite-field. But a mammoth line-drive over the centerfield fence?
He is a goddamed monster at the plate, in as good a groove as any power hitter I've ever seen. I hate that he's a Sux man, and he's going to be trouble in the post-season. But, thankfully, they probably won't even make the post-season thanks to that delightful curse.
14800. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:19:57 PM
Speaking of Dufus...
14801. theDiva - 7/3/2001 12:22:36 PM
banks
you're slipping....you forgot to mention he's one of the best sluggers money can buy.
(btw, I think he's pretty cool, too....)
14802. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 12:25:56 PM
14803. marjoribanks - 7/3/2001 12:27:20 PM
Oh yes, Diva, that goes without saying.
I was quietly hoping there'd be some personality problems, some acting-out, some disarray in the clubhouse wrt Manny. But he appears to quite like it there thanks to his new buddies Rich Garces (El Guapo) and Rolando Arrojo. Pity, really.
But I do root for him when he's not playing the Yanks (then I hate him and am very afraid of him). He's a NYC boy, and I remember him getting mini-headlines when he was a teenage shortstop in HS. I'd be happy if he wins a Triple Crown ... IF... it is paired with a spectacular crash and burn by the Sux.
I also very much like (and admire) Delgado on the Jays. Class guy, phenomenal player, unaccountably struggling right now.
14804. marjoribanks - 7/3/2001 12:27:26 PM
Oh yes, Diva, that goes without saying.
I was quietly hoping there'd be some personality problems, some acting-out, some disarray in the clubhouse wrt Manny. But he appears to quite like it there thanks to his new buddies Rich Garces (El Guapo) and Rolando Arrojo. Pity, really.
But I do root for him when he's not playing the Yanks (then I hate him and am very afraid of him). He's a NYC boy, and I remember him getting mini-headlines when he was a teenage shortstop in HS. I'd be happy if he wins a Triple Crown ... IF... it is paired with a spectacular crash and burn by the Sux.
I also very much like (and admire) Delgado on the Jays. Class guy, phenomenal player, unaccountably struggling right now.
14805. marjoribanks - 7/3/2001 12:29:34 PM
Odd, I only pressed post once.
Nice picture of Mussina, lab. Had no idea he'd posed nude.
---
Lest I misrepresent myself, I am totally head-over-heels in love with our own OF sensation. Bernie Williams is so great, such a class act, so smooth in everything he does. A total (and rare) gentleman in the world of sports.
14806. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:32:09 PM
He is that Banks...you, on the other hand, are both a Goober and a Dufus.
14807. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 12:32:57 PM
"Eat this...One BITE ME at a time.
14808. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:33:05 PM
Banks...that IS Lab.
14809. marjoribanks - 7/3/2001 12:33:44 PM
Bawston Sucks!
Bawston Sucks!
Bawston Sucks!
Bawston Sucks!
(etc)
14810. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:35:04 PM
See what I mean.
14811. theDiva - 7/3/2001 12:36:47 PM
Bernie is....how can I put this?...God. I'd have his baby.
oh, and lest I forget....
Bawston Sucks!
Bawston Sucks!
Bawston Sucks!
Bawston Sucks!
(etc., with feeling...)
14812. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:37:21 PM
Dufae.
14813. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 12:37:47 PM
Maybe this will smoke 19RBI out.
14814. theDiva - 7/3/2001 12:38:47 PM
hahahaha
yeah, tell that geek to run his tiny heinie over here and I'll buy him a Moosehead.
14815. glendajean - 7/3/2001 12:40:38 PM
Capriati beats Serena Williams
14816. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 1:19:27 PM
Btw, the curse is broken.
Mr. Giorgio left Camp 4 about 11 a.m. EDT Tuesday to climb the final 3,000 feet to the summit.
At 11:55 p.m. EDT Tuesday, he called Mrs. Giorgio.
“I asked him, 'What are you doing right now?' He said, 'I'm sitting here on the top of the world. I'm calling you from the top of the world. I did it,' ” she recounted yesterday.
She said he left family photographs, an American flag and “that darn Red Sox cap” on the summit. She said he hopes the Red Sox cap will “kill the curse of the Bambino,” the supposed curse that has spoiled the team's World Series hopes since Babe Ruth was sold to the Yankees in 1919.
14817. marjoribanks - 7/3/2001 1:23:13 PM
Capriati is a great story. Is it just me or is womens tennis about ten million times more interesting than the mens game right now?
14818. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 1:25:48 PM
Banks...indeed.
NICE GOIN JC
click on photo 
14819. theDiva - 7/3/2001 1:29:57 PM
labwab
Occasionally my MIL will pick up little gifts for family members. One day she dropped by with a baseball hat for Greg. Mind you, my husband's last name starts with a B. Need I tell you it was a Red Sox cap?
I walked in the house, saw it on the counter, and screamed. It was one of the worst moments of my life.
14820. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 1:34:34 PM
Diva
Major incompatibility in a blooming relationship eh?
An altar was set up, and Mr. Giorgio, as he did last year, had a Red Sox cap blessed for good luck. He learned, though, he didn't quite perform the ritual properly last year.
“One cap will go on the summit. When I come down, I have to burn the Yankees cap after I complete the cycle in the fireplace of the puja. I did it wrong last year,” he said.
Usually the puja lasts about an hour, but this one lasted four hours. They had the chang on the altar and flour, which represents food. A case of Johnny Walker Red scotch and French wine from 1999 also found their way onto the altar.
Yer Yank-aas days are numbered.
(Might as well get used to and enjoy being second place from now on.)
14821. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 1:47:10 PM
CHARLIE BROWN'S BASEBALL TEAM
click on image 
Pitcher (and Manager): Charlie Brown
Catcher: Schroeder
1st Base: Shermy
2nd Base: Linus (or Pig-Pen, at least once)
3rd Base: Pig-Pen
Shortstop: Snoopy
Left Field: Patty (or Rerun, during his one attempt)
Center Field: Frieda
Right Field: Lucy
14822. theDiva - 7/3/2001 1:55:27 PM
labwab
naaaahhh, he was pretty appalled, too, except he couldn't really say anything because his mother is clueless WRT baseball.
oh, and Gracie just called....they played ball in PE today. She played short, got four hits and score three runs.
14823. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 1:57:01 PM
Short is only for the best players...
14824. theDiva - 7/3/2001 1:58:51 PM
well, it's PE so there were three of them on the field at once.
14825. theDiva - 7/3/2001 1:59:16 PM
but thanks, prof. She's small and fast, that one.
14826. Frankster - 7/3/2001 2:04:37 PM
Alright, Gracie! I could never play infield.
PP,
How about one of my all time favs as ballboy -- Dennis The Menace?
Scratch that. In between making mud pies in the infield, he'd be in the concession stand trying to talk Margaret out of candy.
14827. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:11:14 PM
Prof
Where the hell is your team spirit? Are you going to let our Boston Red Soxs take a beating by our dear friends?
Boston forever.
And may I add what a wonderful victory for Ms. Capriati. I'd love to see her take Wimbledon and the USOpen. God knows she's fought back against enormous odds.
14828. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:16:45 PM
MsG...it's just Banks and Diva, veritable farts in a hurricane.
14829. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:20:28 PM
hahahaha
14830. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:21:14 PM
14831. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:23:48 PM
Prof
Great link. Thanks.
14832. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:26:29 PM
Frankie
thanks, hon.
Prof, MsG
Youse can both BITE ME.
14833. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:31:21 PM
I'm too busy to bite you again...I'm dancin to "Gimme Three Steps" by Lynyrd Skynyrd...
14834. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:33:13 PM
Diva
When we get together I may just bite you..of course after I give you a big hug and kiss.
14835. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:36:23 PM
Ya know, there are at least six men here who'd pay to see that.
Preverts.
14836. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:37:36 PM
7
14837. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:37:47 PM
Don't I know it. I guess we'll have to meet at the Mayflower. heehee.
14838. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:38:47 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
14839. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:40:06 PM
Guess who is a Red Sox fan... 
14840. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:40:49 PM
stupid beagle
14841. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:42:22 PM
Darn it, Prof. It isn't coming up for me. Don't leave me hanging.
14842. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 2:42:58 PM
8...
14843. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:44:02 PM
Snoopy
14844. Frankster - 7/3/2001 2:46:07 PM
Don't I know it. I guess we'll have to meet at the Mayflower. heehee.
Okay, what did I miss here ? I was following along so well, and then came this Mayflower reference. What'd I miss ?
Funny, PP ( Post 14836 ). Hee-hee-hee!
14845. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 2:47:08 PM
Hey msg
Darn it, Prof. It isn't coming up for me...
...not yer fault.
heh-heh
14846. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:48:47 PM
Jessusss, deev, look what we've started. Hope the kind host of this thread doesn't tell us to take it to the Inferno..or Sex Thread.
14847. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:48:57 PM
buncha preverts
14848. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:49:26 PM
MsG
are you kidding? prof says all posts are on-topic in ere.
14849. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:50:10 PM
Good clean fun, I say. Let's make this happen. hahahahahaha
14850. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:50:18 PM
Frankie
the Mayflower is a swank hotel, the perfect place for a little afternoon delight....
14851. theDiva - 7/3/2001 2:51:09 PM
Prof
you're a loon.
14852. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:52:17 PM
I knew someone would comment on that post.
14853. Frankster - 7/3/2001 2:53:03 PM
Deev,
As in the The Mayflower Madam ? The very same ?
14854. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:53:42 PM
Turniped...
14855. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 2:54:55 PM
Now playin on the jukebox..."Baby It's a Crime" by the Black Sorrows...
14856. Frankster - 7/3/2001 2:55:24 PM
PP,
Just wait until we meet someday! (g)
14857. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:55:48 PM
Frankster
No, the Mayflower as in that's where Monica stayed when she came into town...and as deev pointed out a favorite for many Washintonians for an afternoon delight.
14858. msgreer - 7/3/2001 2:56:54 PM
Washingtonians...dropped the g (g)
14859. Frankster - 7/3/2001 2:58:23 PM
Msgreer,
That makes more sense. The one I mentioned had more to do with lineage if I remember correctly, right ? This place is in Nu Yawk ?
14860. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 2:59:16 PM
PP,
Just wait until we meet someday! (g)
"-1"
14861. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 3:00:50 PM
No, the Mayflower as in that's where Monica stayed when she came into town...and as deev pointed out a favorite for many Washintonians for an afternoon delight.
...also known for great laundry services.
14862. Frankster - 7/3/2001 3:02:27 PM
LOL!
14863. theDiva - 7/3/2001 3:08:35 PM
you're all geeks.
14864. msgreer - 7/3/2001 3:21:47 PM
geez diva, a little female bonding and the men go gaga. hell, let's make a day of it. we can start out with a visit to the red door, lunch at sans souci and then onto the mayflower. have a happy fourth, sweetie. KISS KISS.
14865. theDiva - 7/3/2001 3:31:34 PM
wheeee!!!!
Just promise me you'll wear, well, you know....
WAIT! I HAVE IT!
A visit to Vickie's secret, then the Red Door, etc.
14866. labwabbit - 7/3/2001 3:44:47 PM
Noe THAT'S cruel...
Have a happy 4th all.
14867. msgreer - 7/3/2001 5:11:38 PM
You're on Diva. Eat your heart out lab. heehee
14868. JJBiener - 7/3/2001 5:42:02 PM
Msgreer - Make it 9. You have to wear the leather pants when you meet Diva. She will love them.
14869. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 5:52:35 PM
Biener and Loar posting here in the same day...libations on the house.
14870. JJBiener - 7/3/2001 5:55:07 PM
PP - Libations sound very good about now. Do you have a good amber beer perhaps?
14871. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 5:56:25 PM
Anchor Steam comin up...
14872. JJBiener - 7/3/2001 6:24:04 PM
Thanks Prof. That's just what I needed. I used to work for a consulting company whose official beer was Anchor Steam. It is the only consulting company I know that has an official beer. Hmmmm, I wonder what their bookings look like these days.
14873. AZSteve - 7/3/2001 6:57:01 PM
howdy folks checkin' in for the 1st time...seems like I've stumbled into quite a place...I prefer Guinness or DosXX's but a Samuel will be just fine. What's shakin Prof?
14874. dusty - 7/3/2001 7:06:43 PM
Welcome AZSteve
14875. OhioSTOPAS - 7/3/2001 7:12:02 PM
Doesn't this place have any Narragansett? The Sox are on.
14876. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 8:51:13 PM
AZ..welcome to cyberheaven for the sportsfan. Glad to have you here. Go Cubs!!!!
14877. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 8:52:43 PM
Dusty...thanks.
14878. Frankster - 7/3/2001 8:53:56 PM
Welcome aboard, AZ! The place is more active in the morning/early afternoon, so come on by again at that time and introduce yourself to everyone. Great gang in here. They make for and interesting soup.
Okay. Time to hit the dinner trail. Have a happy 4th y'all!
14879. Frankster - 7/3/2001 8:55:49 PM
...make for and interesting soup. = make for aninteresting soup.
14880. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 8:57:58 PM
14881. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 8:58:33 PM
Thanks Frank...
14882. Frankster - 7/3/2001 9:04:15 PM
PP,
What for ???
Have a great 4th, PP. I hope it's a family affair. :-)
14883. PsychProf - 7/3/2001 9:05:23 PM
For welcoming AZSteve while I was out at my night job.
14884. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/3/2001 9:41:35 PM
PP:
Thanks for the link on the Mariners' game. You know the M's are hot when guys like Dan Wilson and Al Martin are the stars.
As for the Capriati news... we already knew Capriati plays better on grass.
14885. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/3/2001 9:42:45 PM
Here's a sport popular in the US South:
14886. don s. - 7/3/2001 10:19:25 PM
OK. Last week I watched Schilling pitch to Houston, and that little Julio Lugo was hitless. Today, Schilling again, and Julio has hit three times, including a homer. If he weren't so darn adorable, I'd be really vexed and miffed.
14887. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 12:23:59 PM
Vexed is ok, but miffed we can do without.
14888. AZSteve - 7/4/2001 12:36:29 PM
Thanks Prof...Happy Fourth of July to all and thanks for the reception.
14889. AZSteve - 7/4/2001 12:45:03 PM
I will try to make the early afternoon run.My day starts at 3:45a.m. pst and I have no access to the net until approx.1:30 p.m.pst so I'm guessing
I'll be sweeping the floor in this here bar and restocking the coolers,changing out the kegs,washing the glassware,but if you all can hang around I'll buy a few rounds of the frosty goodness...this looks to be a lively bunch so I'm here for the long haul.Peace
14890. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 12:45:58 PM
The beer is free here Steve...
14891. AZSteve - 7/4/2001 12:49:24 PM
I will try to make the early afternoon run.My day starts at 3:45a.m. pst and I have no access to the net until approx.1:30 p.m.pst so I'm guessing
I'll be sweeping the floor in this here bar and restocking the coolers,changing out the kegs,washing the glassware,but if you all can hang around I'll buy a few rounds of the frosty goodness...this looks to be a lively bunch so I'm here for the long haul.Peace
14892. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 12:53:11 PM
SOSAED
click on photo 
14893. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 12:57:32 PM
HOMER
click on photo 
14894. AZSteve - 7/4/2001 1:01:21 PM
My Chicago Cubs are on the air WGN and ESPN...
gotta go....
14895. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 1:16:44 PM
BALONEY BY RICHARD
click on photo 
14896. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 1:22:58 PM
AARON'S BACK
click on photo 
14897. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 1:26:17 PM
JUST HAVIN FUN
click on photo 
14898. PsychProf - 7/4/2001 1:30:18 PM
Irv...Dan Wilson has a degree in Mechanical Engineering(U of Minn I think)...unusual for a baseball type.
14899. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/4/2001 1:37:06 PM
PP:
Interesting. I've always found baseball has more highly educated players than any other sport... and certainly more educated fans.
Thanks for another great Mariners link... 61-21... quite an amazing record...
I guess I've used the Capriati joke above too many times... it's the first time it's failed to draw a laugh.
14900. OhioSTOPAS - 7/5/2001 7:20:21 AM
Way to go, Joe Torre! Give him the Rehnquist-Scalia award for objective adjudicating.
One would think that Pedro Martinez would be selected to the All-Star team, and then replaced by someone else because of his current disabled status. Did that happen, or is Martinez not officially an All-Star at all?
(It's okay if he isn't. Pedro is no Mike Stanton, after all.)
14901. theDiva - 7/5/2001 7:28:29 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzz...........
14902. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 12:16:52 PM
Torre seems to understand the privledge of his All-Star position but not the responsibility of such.
14903. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 12:19:21 PM
DANCE OVER
click on photo 
14904. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 12:22:25 PM
SPORTING EVENTS SHOULD NOT END IN TIES
click on photo 
14905. theDiva - 7/5/2001 12:23:49 PM
aw, kwitcherbeefin'.
joking aside, i am a bit surprised not to see pedro on there, his numbers are great. mebbe because he's on the dl?
14906. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 12:25:55 PM
Lou and Babe... 
14907. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 12:45:22 PM
Babe.
I got you babe.
...and they said our love wouldn't pay the rent.
14908. 19RBI - 7/5/2001 1:22:49 PM
And why the heck isn't Jeff Nelson on the All Star team AGAIN? Did he put a flaming bag of dog waste on Torre's front step two years ago? I don't know all his stats, but last I checked, opposing batters were only hitting .122 against him. Yes, I'm a bitter Red Sox fan, but Stanton on, Pedro, Wakefield, and Nelson off is an absolute joke. Stanton is only great as compared to the non-Mariano part of the Yankees bullpen. Compared to the best in the bigs, he's only pretty good.
I think Torre is one of the best managers in baseball...but he's made a very notable mistake here. The Yanks win the world series EVERY YEAR. They dominate the media, dominate the (non-Japanese) fans of the world, and dominate the game. They'll more than likely dominate the rest of this year after they get Giambi, or whatever Giambi-like player George's $$$ will seduce. Torre had a chance here to show the world that baseball really is more than the New York Yankees, and he didn't make the most of that chance. Instead, he set a record for # of all-star players chosen from the chooser's OWN TEAM. A team, I might add, that has resided in SECOND PLACE for most of the year.
So choosing Stanton makes no difference, you say? Only one player here or there really shouldn't matter? Maybe, maybe not. Ichiro might diasgree, and the entire country that adores him most certainly would. And maybe, just maybe, something positive could have been given to the baseball atmospheres in Kansas City or Detroit by naming a questionable all star from their squads.
14909. theDiva - 7/5/2001 1:38:35 PM
hoo boy.
14910. 19RBI - 7/5/2001 1:48:42 PM
Deev - You're still a-ok...it's only Torre that's in my crosshairs. This is actually one one my few Yankee rants that I CAN'T pin (no pun intended) on Yankee fans. :) :)
I guess there are two questions:
1) Does Stanton deserve to be there?
2) Is it good for the game?
What do you think?
14911. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 1:53:44 PM
Very well said 19...especially the last sentence.
14912. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 1:54:31 PM
Last sentence of 14908.
14913. theDiva - 7/5/2001 2:02:43 PM
Prof
you're just biased
ribby
well, that's a relief (no pun intended), you in a towering rage are formidable.
Hard to say whether he does or doesn't over Wakefield, but I am very surprised about Pedro, I'd have thought Joe would have picked him. Did you see the ESPN.com article about this?
14914. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 2:13:33 PM
Clark "19RBI" Kent turns into ragin Sox fan...here's NEYER'S TAKE on the All-Star Brouhaha.
14915. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 2:15:40 PM
I love the no Pedro...I await the logic.
14916. 19RBI - 7/5/2001 2:20:07 PM
Yeah, I saw Neyer's article...but actually find myself more angry about Nelson's and Pedro's snubbings than Wakefield's (although, as I said, I haven't researched all of Nelson's numbers).
Roger doesn't even want to be there....Nelson woulda loved to throw a pitch or two.
14917. theDiva - 7/5/2001 2:22:15 PM
just a coupla geeks gabbin....youse know I can't criticize Joe no matter what.
14918. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 2:25:18 PM
...a nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
woo-woo-woo.
14919. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 2:27:10 PM
I like Joe also...indeed, I find it hard to believe he did this.
14920. theDiva - 7/5/2001 2:33:22 PM
given the type of man and manager he is, I can only speculate he's done what he's felt is best and fairest.
14921. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 2:37:11 PM
Numbers don't always tell a story.
Character ... integrity...fair-play perhaps had much to do with decision process.
Explains RC choice.
14922. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 2:39:39 PM
Makes for good Sports Bar gab...no more coffee for 19.
14923. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 2:42:52 PM
14924. theDiva - 7/5/2001 2:46:06 PM
labwab
I'm feeling magnanimous today. You don't have to BITE ME.
Prof
Yeah, he's wound a bit tight.
14925. theDiva - 7/5/2001 2:55:36 PM
okay.
Not for anything, guys, but why aren't you whingin about Milton and Mays being picked over Wakefield?
He's got a better winning percentage, lower ERA, more Ks, and only slightly fewer innings pitched than those two Twins.
Why? I'll tellya why.
Cuz youse are all biased Yankee haters, that's why. Hrmph!
14926. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 2:59:34 PM
For me it is the number of Yanks...a team that is no more than highly competitive THIS YEAR cannot have that many All-Stars...I would feel that with any team in the same position. Having a diverse group at the All-Star game is fun...
14927. theDiva - 7/5/2001 3:00:54 PM
know what I'm looking forward to, even more than the game? The home run derby. My oh my, was that fun last year.
14928. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 3:02:16 PM
Deev...you think 19RBI has a thing for you?
14929. theDiva - 7/5/2001 3:06:19 PM
hahahahahah
highly doubtful.
14930. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:10:33 PM
You don't have to BITE ME.
OK...But that means my day will just suck.
Deev...you think 19RBI has a thing for you?
Off hand?
14931. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 3:16:03 PM
Lab...any anecdotes about the AURORA BOREALIS
14932. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:31:42 PM
any anecdotes about the AURORA BOREALIS
...best if viewed on a boat, in a secluded cove, surrounded by mountains...
with a hot toddy in one hand and a special guest in the other.
14933. theDiva - 7/5/2001 3:35:30 PM
that is amazing.
14934. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:45:50 PM
In the above described setting, one cannot possibly help feeling like being in the center of the show. A tiny, insignificant speck in the center of the bottom of a gigantic fishbowl.
Where one can be made to feel infinitely inconsequential in wonder and supremely omnipotent in the right one is given to gaze upon it.
14935. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:46:20 PM
...simultaneously.
14936. theDiva - 7/5/2001 3:52:12 PM
you're making me want to visit Alaska.
14937. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 3:54:28 PM
Deev...Ms PP and I plan on doing that next summer. Maybe we'll get a chance top meet Our Maine Man.
14938. theDiva - 7/5/2001 3:55:36 PM
Now that would be cool.
All right, I gotta split. Later, taters.
14939. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:55:49 PM
you're making me want to visit Alaska.
If one is unable to achieve a humbling, two-feet-on-the ground, perspective here well...
I guess that's why California exists.
haha.
14940. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:56:26 PM
toys
14941. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:57:11 PM
14942. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 3:57:35 PM
toys
14943. RosettaStone - 7/5/2001 4:03:58 PM
For the first time in months, I come here to read sports, and the topic is Alaska.
???
14944. PsychProf - 7/5/2001 4:05:19 PM
Stone...stop by more. If you misbehave, we'll kick yer ass.
14945. labwabbit - 7/5/2001 4:09:48 PM
...probaly get your ass kicked anyway. Most folk won't recognize whining as a competitive activity.
14946. msgreer - 7/5/2001 6:32:55 PM
Prof
You've for mail. You crack me up.
14947. OhioSTOPAS - 7/5/2001 7:44:48 PM
Regarding Pedro Martinez's omission by Joe Torre, it MAY be that players on the DL aren't eligible for the fill-out-the-roster selections. It's common that someone voted to start is injured at All-Star time and is replaced on the roster, but offhand I don't remember any reserve players being picked and then sitting out for injury.
Since I haven't read anyone pointing out the obvious injustice of Pedro not being at least named an All-Star, I'm guessing players on the DL just aren't picked. Still sucks, though.
14948. OhioSTOPAS - 7/5/2001 7:55:32 PM
And where's Greg Maddux? Either leading the league in ERA or having had a Hall of Fame career should be enough to make the team - Maddux has both, and he's not playing. Maybe Bobby Valentine thought there wasn't room for Maddux and Whatshisname Burkett (his Braves teammate with virtually idential first-half statistics), but in case of a tie you'd think the Hall of Famer would be the one to be an All-Star. Maybe it's payback for all those times Maddux has beaten the Mets . . .
14949. OhioSTOPAS - 7/5/2001 8:00:09 PM
How about a fan participation promotion for this year's All Star Game: "Bat Against An All Star", with beer-bellied fans launching home runs against Mike Stanton.
(Mike would insist that he only pitch against left-handed fans. And only one or two, then a shower.)
14950. OhioSTOPAS - 7/5/2001 10:25:16 PM
How sweet it is: Sox are being no-hit by Cleveland's Bartolo Colon into the 7th inning, and trail 4-0. They eventually win 5-4, with 2 runs in the ninth off of loudmouth John Rocker. Good triumphs over evil (well, over boorishness).
Sometimes the good guys win 5-4. See "American Politics" for the contrary.
14951. OhioSTOPAS - 7/5/2001 10:26:05 PM
And, I must say, not bad for a team that doesn't have seven All-Stars.
14952. theDiva - 7/6/2001 7:28:40 AM
Stopas
I have an overwhelming desire to pinch your face.
14953. theDiva - 7/6/2001 7:29:21 AM
And amazingly, I am thrilled that the Sox won. I truly detest that vile Rocker. Feh.
14954. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 11:48:40 AM
Stopas does have a "pinch my face" kinda head.
14955. OhioSTOPAS - 7/6/2001 1:18:59 PM
Hahaha! Whatever that means!
Actually I have a large head. It's so large that when I pass through Indiana I have to be careful that Dan Burton doesn't blow my head off in a case of mistaken identity.
14956. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 2:41:45 PM
BASEBALL
click on photo 
14957. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 2:45:36 PM
RAFTER FLYING HIGH
click on photo 
14958. theDiva - 7/6/2001 2:46:59 PM
Stopas
It means you're cute.
14959. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 2:49:38 PM
VALENTINE'S DAY
click on photo 
14960. OhioSTOPAS - 7/6/2001 3:00:26 PM
Diva: Well, in that case, pinch to your fingers' content.
14961. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 3:02:35 PM
Large Head Syndrome...
14962. theDiva - 7/6/2001 3:11:28 PM
He's got one of them Two-Fisted Pinching Heads....
14963. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 3:13:32 PM
Like in Westerns where they pack two guns...
14964. theDiva - 7/6/2001 3:14:51 PM
EXACTLY!
14965. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 3:16:19 PM
I think Biener is a pinchhead too...
14966. theDiva - 7/6/2001 3:17:23 PM
Definitely.
Labwab and Frank, OTOH, are a different sort. More like a smooch on the forehead simultaneous to a pinch on the cheek.
14967. PsychProf - 7/6/2001 3:18:48 PM
Some on the Mote should get the pinch in a more southernly direction...
14968. theDiva - 7/6/2001 3:21:20 PM
Ha! GMTA.
14969. labwabbit - 7/6/2001 3:59:23 PM
More like a smooch on the forehead simultaneous to a pinch on the cheek.
Are you sure you can reach both at the same time?
In some organizations pinching can be defined as a type of harrassment.
pinch to harrass ... would present a more abusive leaning in definition.
pinch-harrass... is definately sexual.
14970. AZSteve - 7/7/2001 10:24:37 AM
Ahh...the seventh day of the seventh month at 7:17
in the a.m. GOOD MORNING folks...Good win for the Cubs against the Motor City Maulers the first Cubs
victory in Detroit in 56 years...this Cubs fan hopes that this means even grander victories in the coming months culminating in the taking of the WS...ok,ok, I'll calm down we're only half way through the season...!!!...!!!...YAY.
14971. joezan - 7/7/2001 10:35:03 AM
...only a Cubs fan could get excited about beating the Tigs.
Welcome, AZSteve!
14972. AZSteve - 7/7/2001 10:56:02 AM
Hey joezan,any victory is a great victory when you root for the Cubs...thanks for the welcome...
by the by who dost thou cheer for friend?
14973. AZSteve - 7/7/2001 10:59:21 AM
Awww rats the "honey do" list got posted on my screen...later
14974. joezan - 7/7/2001 11:17:30 AM
AZ:
Da Yanks.
14975. msgreer - 7/7/2001 11:27:19 AM
AZSteve
It's the Red Soxs,not Da Yanks. But I know reality when I see it. This is the year for the Mariners. If the Red Soxs can't win the World Series, I'd be delighted to see Seattle take it all.
Welcome to the Mote, AZ.
14976. OhioSTOPAS - 7/7/2001 12:10:13 PM
A Detroit Tiger is a "Motor City Mauler"?
Instead of "Mauler", more appropriate for the hapless Tigers is a feline word that rhymes with "City".
14977. AZSteve - 7/7/2001 12:50:31 PM
Again thanks for the welcomes...Yanks and Red Sox
are taking a back seat to the charge of the Mariners,but when the division playoffs start it becomes a new...a new...a new...aw hell...a new ballgame...sorry...Ohio,yeah the Tigers are less than ferocious but if you take a team lightly...BAM!!!! the skid begins...I'm glad and proud that the Cubs are in first place,50 vic's before ASG(they haven't been at that number since '77)and I'm lookin' for more by Sunday...
14978. msgreer - 7/7/2001 1:00:34 PM
AZSteve
Do you follow college football?
14979. AZSteve - 7/7/2001 2:15:58 PM
msgreer...that I do...that Ido
14980. PsychProf - 7/7/2001 2:19:12 PM
THE LIST GROWS
click on photo 
14981. labwabbit - 7/7/2001 2:53:36 PM
*groan* *bitch* *cuss* *moan*
14982. alistairconnor - 7/7/2001 5:02:06 PM
Tour de France alert!
Your man Lance Armstrong is of course hottest of favourites to win. Foregone conclusion. But he might break a leg or something.
Or they might catch him taking dope. Not that I'm saying he does (only a matter of definition anyway...)
Looks like this year is the first post-EPO tour. They tested for it last year, but they haven't finished analysing the results yet! Very cute. I suppose that means that over 50% of the riders called the bluff and kept taking the junk.
It's a pretty safe bet that Miguel Indurain was the last person to win the Tour without EPO. But when? 1991? 92? 93? 94? 95?
And Armstrong the first of the post-EPO era? Yes, but this year, or last?
And will there be a big shake-up of the hierarchy? Will the honest guys finally start winning? Will French riders start winning races again? Stay tuned... Our man Moreau, fourth last year, is in yellow tonight.
14983. CalGal - 7/7/2001 5:26:35 PM
Hi, AZSteve!
Pelle and others--wasn't it in this thread that we discussed the origin of baseball, football, etc?
Baseball's Disputed Origin Is Traced Back, Back, Back
Its primordial myth held that Abner Doubleday, a West Point cadet, invented the game in 1839 on a dirt field in Cooperstown, N.Y., where the Baseball Hall of Fame is now situated.
In recent years, historians have credited Alexander J. Cartwright, a New York bank clerk, and the Knickerbocker Base Ball Club for codifying many of the modern rules and using them for the first time in an 1846 game at the Elysian Fields in Hoboken, N.J.
Now, two newspaper references to baseball have turned up that show that an organized version of the game was being played even earlier in New York City. The articles appeared April 25, 1823; they indicate that some form of the game was even then being called "base ball" and was played in Manhattan.
14984. labwabbit - 7/7/2001 5:40:15 PM
Yanks lose in overtime!
Bosux -1 games...for the moment.
14985. ElliottRW - 7/7/2001 10:47:34 PM
labbie -- Yanks...overtime?!? Something's wrong with that sentence.
14986. Greystoke - 7/7/2001 11:24:30 PM
Well, the "Yanks lose" part sounds fine.
14987. AZSteve - 7/8/2001 11:07:34 AM
Kerry Wood vs. Jose "Lima-time" 10a.m. p.d.t.
To all Oakland A's fans WOW,your young pitchers are phenomenal!!!! and that kid Damon is awesome,now according to Dave Campbell on Baseball Tonight the Cubs are looking to snag either Damon or Giambi(Jason).What's the local buzz regarding that possibility?
14988. AZSteve - 7/8/2001 11:14:15 AM
OOPs,where are my manners...? HI CalGal!!!
14989. PsychProf - 7/8/2001 12:10:24 PM
OFF AND RACING
click on didier rous 
14990. PsychProf - 7/8/2001 12:13:00 PM
STILL THE BEST
click on photo 
14991. PsychProf - 7/8/2001 12:15:32 PM
EVEN A BLIND SQUIRREL FINDS AN ACORN
click on photo 
14992. PsychProf - 7/8/2001 12:17:41 PM
Steve...who will the Cubs give up for Damon or Giambi?
14993. PsychProf - 7/8/2001 1:40:50 PM
PULLING STRINGS FOR VENUS DE WINNER 
14994. marjoribanks - 7/8/2001 1:51:22 PM
I love Venus Williams, and am thrilled she won Wimbledon again.
Besides being extremely sexy (those legs! those outfits! that stamina!) she's just a delight in the interviews I've seen with her. Witty, good-natured, smart, poised - she's a class act and a great personality. I think she may be my favorite female athlete ever, getting the tip over others for her bubbly attitude and that winning smile.
14995. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/8/2001 10:06:16 PM
Mid-point in the baseball season. Who would have thought the Twins, Phillies, Cubs and Diamondbacks would be on top in their divisions? Or that Seattle would have the best record in baseball? Or predicted Bonds' homers? Or Ichiro-mania? If the second half is as good as the first, this will be a truly memorable season.
14996. theDiva - 7/9/2001 8:31:34 AM
labwab
harassment? Gracious, I must be more circumspect around you from now on. No more shall 'BITE ME's rain down on your hapless head.
Welcome, AZSteve....I'm a Yankee fan, myself.
Speaking of whom....good game last night. Too bad about them stinking
My
Entire
Team
SUCKS
Irv
This has been a good season thus far. I'm really looking forward to the HR derby tonight, it oughta be even better than last year's.
14997. theDiva - 7/9/2001 8:49:09 AM
14999. theDiva - 7/9/2001 8:50:09 AM
damned Geocities!
15000. theDiva - 7/9/2001 8:52:12 AM
15001. theDiva - 7/9/2001 8:57:47 AM
okay, last one... 
I figure, pictures of Bernie, currently on a hot streak, are appropriate for a millenial (and thereabouts) in this thread.
15002. theDiva - 7/9/2001 9:00:53 AM
Prof
please delete 14998. Thx.
15003. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/9/2001 9:03:08 AM
Deev:
Yeah, if the Red Sox were on top, it would be perfect. ;-)
15004. theDiva - 7/9/2001 9:16:53 AM
aw, clam up, ya nattering nabob
15005. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/9/2001 9:23:40 AM
Deev:
I was expecting you to ask PP to delete 15003 as well.
15006. theDiva - 7/9/2001 9:28:51 AM
naaaaaahhhhh......I don't censor those who disagree with me, I just ridicule 'em.
15007. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 11:57:06 AM
Datz it woman.
You've gone too far.
You're over the sacred line.
You have left me NO choice.
15008. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 11:57:25 AM
PHHHBBBBBTH!
15009. theDiva - 7/9/2001 12:01:47 PM
(would like to say BITE ME but can't for fear of harassment charges and general scandal.)
15010. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 1:26:01 PM
...allow me.
(g)
15011. theDiva - 7/9/2001 1:32:14 PM
I am gonna pinch your face.
Hey, we have a new game in our house. It's called
Ways To Torment Mike Piazza!
Here's how you play. You begin with the following statement:
I want to Torment Mike Piazza, so I am going to shave his head, strip him naked, (fill in blank).
So far we've gotten:
....fill his ears with celery, onion and apples, stick his head up a turkey's butt, and roast him for Thanksgiving....
dip his head in honey and tie him to a tree in Jellystone Park
and my personal favorite, courtesy of Gracie:
stuff candy down his throat, glue streamers and crepe paper to him, and use him as a pinata.
15012. Absensia - 7/9/2001 1:35:09 PM
Sorry about all this, but I can't feel your pain. I'm from SEATTLE! 15013. theDiva - 7/9/2001 1:48:35 PM (bows low) 15014. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 1:54:58 PM Diva 15015. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 1:56:14 PM In udder woids...I don't hold it against ya. 15016. theDiva - 7/9/2001 2:00:20 PM I'll take that as a compliment, thanks. 15017. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 2:09:19 PM As it was highly meant... 15018. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 2:38:49 PM Although it is against accepted protocol to say this prior to the All-Star break, I will conjure one more deep breath prior to presenting this annual threat in defiance of tradition.. 15019. PsychProf - 7/9/2001 2:40:41 PM Absensia...welcome back...I remember your Seattle roots. 15020. theDiva - 7/9/2001 2:50:50 PM labwab 15021. PsychProf - 7/9/2001 2:58:30 PM 15022. PsychProf - 7/9/2001 3:03:46 PM Seats this weekend for the Mets shootout, 6 rows behind the dugout, will go to a my youngest son and his babe, as I will be driving Ms PP to Kennedy to catch a fight To Riga, Latvia(rats). My oldest son will accompany to see her(his) cultural roots and her birthplace, making for a fine mother-son adventure and family memory. 15023. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 3:07:07 PM Umm..Diva 15024. theDiva - 7/9/2001 3:08:56 PM Prof 15025. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 3:16:29 PM Prof is gonna be staggin' it. 15026. PsychProf - 7/9/2001 3:17:13 PM Thanks for the smile Deev. 15027. PsychProf - 7/9/2001 3:40:25 PM 15029. AZSteve - 7/9/2001 4:42:36 PM Sosa pic and the link was very nice,Thanks Prof... 15030. labwabbit - 7/9/2001 4:50:28 PM Ya...thanks prof 15031. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 12:10:40 PM 15032. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 12:14:54 PM 15033. labwabbit - 7/10/2001 12:23:58 PM Health and vitality by 15034. Absensia - 7/10/2001 2:14:10 PM Hmmm, no hockey, no f1 racing. Sports are sure boring these days. Sigh. 15035. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:22:49 PM 15036. Absensia - 7/10/2001 2:24:43 PM Hey Psych Prof, how have you been? Sounds like you have a great trip coming up. 15037. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:28:26 PM I am well Abs...how about you. I remember you as one of our FI fans... 15038. Absensia - 7/10/2001 2:30:58 PM I'm well thanks. Yes I am an F1 fan. And, I've been joking about bb since I am in Seattle. Not going anywhere near that part of town today! 15039. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:33:41 PM 15040. theDiva - 7/10/2001 2:40:15 PM Let's all play.... 15041. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:42:10 PM 15042. theDiva - 7/10/2001 2:43:20 PM Geez, first the stupid-ass 1/18th of an inch moustache and now that bleached head. 15043. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:45:21 PM 15044. theDiva - 7/10/2001 2:48:34 PM OH YEAH?!?! Well, 15045. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:50:09 PM 15046. theDiva - 7/10/2001 2:51:44 PM I'm really sorry to read this. I was looking forward to a bit of a horse race. What's the word on Nomar? 15047. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 2:53:49 PM Deev...hitting light BP, long toss, fielding a few grounders. 15048. theDiva - 7/10/2001 2:56:53 PM Cool. Hope we see him before the season's out. 15049. PelleNilsson - 7/10/2001 3:27:22 PM Baseball's Origin? The Old Ballgame Just Gets Older 15050. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 3:33:09 PM Interesting link Pelle...thanks. 15051. AZSteve - 7/10/2001 3:35:02 PM Thanks for the link Prof...McGriff for two minor 15052. PsychProf - 7/10/2001 4:05:21 PM 15053. OhioSTOPAS - 7/10/2001 9:55:41 PM I hate what Title IX has done to the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue . . . 15054. OhioSTOPAS - 7/10/2001 9:56:58 PM Ladies of the Mote, I am not lying when I tell you I have the body of a professional athlete . . . 15055. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/11/2001 2:02:15 AM Pelle: 15056. theDiva - 7/11/2001 8:58:53 AM 15057. theDiva - 7/11/2001 8:59:08 AM Ripken, in this case. 15058. Absensia - 7/11/2001 10:59:07 AM The All Star game was nice, but FOX had to show scenic views....people will think it's like that here all the time, instead of only 9 days a year. 15059. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 11:14:09 AM 15060. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 11:21:56 AM 15061. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 11:24:51 AM Joe Torre, gracious and funny...Don Zimmer, an icon indeed, sez as everyone is chatting live on TV..."We got a game going on here"...Mike Sweeney, so glad to be there and it showed...Bernie Williams, the classiest player in MLB...neat stuff to watch. 15062. theDiva - 7/11/2001 11:26:56 AM 15063. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 11:28:59 AM Baseball gourmet...maybe it will smoke out 19RBI this morning...I miss Riv. 15064. theDiva - 7/11/2001 11:31:17 AM Yeah, so do I. 15065. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 11:33:31 AM Right..I thought that was so neat Deev...I became an instant Posada fan. 15066. theDiva - 7/11/2001 11:46:42 AM I knew you would, matter of fact I thought of you when I saw them together. 15067. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 11:55:38 AM Some neat All-Star photos.. 15068. theDiva - 7/11/2001 11:56:58 AM I loved the NL players reactions once they realized Tommy was okay. What a hoot. 15069. theDiva - 7/11/2001 11:57:33 AM and how did Piazza come to be his godson?!? 15070. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 12:00:35 PM Deev...the photo is of Robby Clemente, Roberto's Grandson...Lasorda is best buds with Piazza's Dad, which is indeed why he was drafted in the 61st round by the Dodgers. 15071. theDiva - 7/11/2001 12:04:05 PM Cute kid! 15072. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 4:03:46 PM B R E A K I N G N E W S 15073. labwabbit - 7/12/2001 11:55:27 AM Nuttin poi-son-al...hehe 15074. labwabbit - 7/12/2001 12:11:24 PM Diva, 15075. theDiva - 7/12/2001 12:16:29 PM labwab 15076. theDiva - 7/12/2001 12:17:13 PM and I'll have you know that Gracie wears a Yankee cap. Daily. HRMPH! 15077. labwabbit - 7/12/2001 12:20:26 PM Can't say I didn't warn ya... 15078. MaxMacks - 7/12/2001 1:10:17 PM Hey Doc P --first time here since ROAD TO FINAL FOUR ...surrpised by lab-wit's joke...didn't know baseball could be so interesting. ! 15079. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 3:33:18 PM PP, 15080. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 3:35:01 PM < /" > 15081. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 3:37:33 PM I am sorry to say that the All Star game slipped by me this year. I was out of the house at a meeting Tuesday night and then had to run a couple of errands for the Mrs. By the time I got around to turning on the TV it was the bottom of the eighth and the NL was showing no signs of coming back. 15082. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 3:42:38 PM But in order to get back into the good graces of the baseball gods, I will be attending the Cards-Tigers game tomorrow night. We are going to the picnic party area - all the brats, BBQ, cole slaw, beer and soda you can stand from the buffet that lasts two hours into the game. 15083. PsychProf - 7/12/2001 3:52:39 PM Max and Riv...good to see you here. 15084. theDiva - 7/12/2001 4:01:46 PM Riv 15085. PsychProf - 7/12/2001 4:12:16 PM I have a new syndrome...Mote Melancholia™... 15086. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 4:30:36 PM Diva, 15087. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 4:33:15 PM PP, 15088. PsychProf - 7/12/2001 4:34:46 PM Riv...under the same rubic. In many ways I don't seem to fit in here anymore. 15089. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 4:45:28 PM PP, 15090. MaxMacks - 7/12/2001 5:03:20 PM Thanks PP---Tell, what are those hats in lab-wits 15091. PsychProf - 7/12/2001 5:06:06 PM Baseball teams all Max. 15092. PsychProf - 7/12/2001 5:32:32 PM 15093. AZSteve - 7/12/2001 6:03:28 PM Prof...you need to put in a picture of Guttierrez's very first Grand Slam...Cubs smack down the White Sox with an 8th inning GS...oh it is so sweet to beat the SouthSide Squad!!!!...Oh yeah word is Fred McGriff is not all that geeked to come to Chicago Cub...he casually mentioned that he'd been in 3 WS and he is tired of traveling ...wow...Giambi...Giambi...Giambi...Giambi 15094. Rivendell - 7/12/2001 6:47:33 PM Jeez, we have an honest to god Cub fan in here? 15095. AZSteve - 7/12/2001 8:40:53 PM Rivendell...Ain't skeered o'nuttin'...bring it on...playin'em one game at a time...I've been cheerin' da Cubs for 40+ year...I have seen gruesome many,many,many,many,many times... 15096. fuzzbox - 7/13/2001 7:12:55 AM In case it's been overlooked: 15097. theDiva - 7/13/2001 7:42:22 AM hahahahahaha 15098. theDiva - 7/13/2001 7:43:36 AM Prof 15099. msgreer - 7/13/2001 10:10:11 AM Beijing gets the games in 2008. 15100. arkymalarky - 7/13/2001 10:36:53 AM Hey MsG! 15101. Indiana Jones - 7/13/2001 10:39:00 AM Howdy, msgreer. Just a quick pop in for me, but welcome back. 15102. ElliottRW - 7/13/2001 11:06:51 AM PsychProf, I have profited greatly from your unique perspective and will be sorry to see you leave the Mote. That said, I recommend that you do take a leave of abscence. A vacation, if you will. I left the pre-Mote Fray because I did not like the effect it had on my mood. Later, I realized that I had overreacted to being ignored, something that I still do from time to time. I don't know the source of your melancholia, but a little distance might help you figure it out. 15103. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:15:50 AM Hey MsG... 15104. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:16:37 AM Elliot...ypur Braves look set for the second half of the season. 15105. msgreer - 7/13/2001 11:17:05 AM So where is the picture of the Michigan Stadium, I want to know. 15106. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:20:46 AM MsG...I failed to save the link. I'll look later. 15107. arkymalarky - 7/13/2001 11:29:25 AM So just who is this Elliott person? 15108. ElliottRW - 7/13/2001 11:31:21 AM USAToday ranks Atlanta 8th in the majors, but tops in their division. Even with injuries, I expect the Braves to prevail over the overachieving Phillies. Heck, they might even win a pennant this year. 15109. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:34:46 AM 15110. theDiva - 7/13/2001 11:34:58 AM Elliot 15111. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:36:49 AM 15112. Dusty - 7/13/2001 11:37:02 AM I thought the Fire looked like they were doing well, but I didn't watch to the end. 15113. Dusty - 7/13/2001 11:38:23 AM Credit Agricole looks pretty impressive. 15114. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:39:17 AM 15115. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:41:33 AM 15116. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 11:48:37 AM FOR MSG, SNOD AND ARKY 15117. ElliottRW - 7/13/2001 12:07:15 PM Diva -- don't know the prognosis on Furcal. re: Olympics -- first Hitler's Berlin, now the the capital of the country that is nominally communist but sells the internal organs of its prisoners to the highest bidders. I wonder if "constructive engagement" will be more constructive this time. 15118. theDiva - 7/13/2001 12:09:54 PM Hm. It'd be a shame if he were out for the season. I so enjoy watching him play. I was lucky enough to see him hit his first MLB homerun. 15119. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 12:11:52 PM Deev...we smoked Riv out. 15120. theDiva - 7/13/2001 12:13:35 PM yeah, buddy. 15121. ElliottRW - 7/13/2001 12:22:52 PM Diva -- Furcal won me over, but I knew he had to be good since in Chipper Jones the Braves have a pretty darn good backup short stop. I, sadly, have never seen any of the modern Braves play IRL. Mostly, I just hear them on my radio. 15122. theDiva - 7/13/2001 12:24:31 PM No! Seriously? Don't you get TBS on cable? That's how I watch 'em, when the Bombers aren't on and I need a baseball fix. 15123. OhioSTOPAS - 7/13/2001 12:26:04 PM 15124. theDiva - 7/13/2001 12:27:11 PM Aw, bite me, stopas. 15125. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 12:29:27 PM 15126. ElliottRW - 7/13/2001 12:35:49 PM Diva -- hahaha. Yes, I get TBS and sometimes watch. I just don't consider TV real life. I listen on the radio because baseball isn't very popular in my household. 15127. theDiva - 7/13/2001 12:39:44 PM Oh, okay. You had me scared there for a second. Whaddya mean, baseball isn't popular in your house! Shocking. 15128. ycmeehan - 7/13/2001 1:01:12 PM Beijing Is Selected as 2008 Host City 15129. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 1:03:48 PM Prof,thanks for the Ricky pic...Riv!!! Riv!!! 15130. theDiva - 7/13/2001 1:11:25 PM Steve 15131. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 1:41:03 PM 15132. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 1:44:18 PM Thanks Deev...oh sweet a Redbird fan in the house...enemy of my blood c'mon out and chat... 15133. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 1:45:47 PM Hey Prof what's shakin'?? 15134. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 1:51:07 PM Steve...everything that should be and some stuff that shouldn't. Maybe that humor will smoke out 19RBI. 15135. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 1:51:51 PM Hey Prof what's shakin'?? 15136. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 1:53:01 PM Chrissakes Steve...how many pithy comebacks can I have to that question...hahahaha 15137. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 1:54:27 PM Sorry...re-sent a previous post:-) 15138. OhioSTOPAS - 7/13/2001 1:56:17 PM 15139. theDiva - 7/13/2001 1:58:04 PM haw! 15140. theDiva - 7/13/2001 1:59:28 PM dammit! didn't even see Prof's 15134. Read back, Diva.... 15141. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 2:00:00 PM One of these days I'm gonna get a handle on typing and computers...perhaps at the same time... 15142. 19RBI - 7/13/2001 2:00:33 PM Who the hell started that fire? It's smoky as hell in here.... 15143. theDiva - 7/13/2001 2:00:39 PM My prediction is he will surpass with 74. 15144. theDiva - 7/13/2001 2:01:05 PM Ribby! 15145. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 2:02:25 PM Deev I'm hopin' that is the case... 15146. 19RBI - 7/13/2001 2:06:08 PM Right back at you, Deev!!! 15147. theDiva - 7/13/2001 2:06:41 PM now that'd be cool. 15148. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 2:07:10 PM For Riv and 19RBI... 15149. labwabbit - 7/13/2001 2:07:20 PM Get the net. 15150. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 2:11:03 PM 74!!?? okay I'm marking that down Deev...anyone else? 15151. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 2:11:15 PM Lab...hahahaha...check yer e-mail, Dufus. 15152. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 2:12:19 PM That's a high as she can count w/o taking her shoes off. 15153. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 2:12:19 PM Prof where do you get those amazing toys??? 15154. theDiva - 7/13/2001 2:13:14 PM Ribby 15155. theDiva - 7/13/2001 2:13:54 PM Prof 15156. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 2:16:06 PM Steve...bartenders school. 15157. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 2:20:39 PM Have to go for a bit...my house is on the market and I've got a realtor with client in tow who need to view this palacial estate...back in a few.. 15158. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 3:21:07 PM 15159. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 3:27:29 PM 15160. theDiva - 7/13/2001 3:34:00 PM 15161. labwabbit - 7/13/2001 4:46:48 PM "Beauty Iz Only Skin-Deep" 15162. PsychProf - 7/13/2001 4:55:21 PM Pretty good lookin Moose if ya ask me. 15163. Rivendell - 7/13/2001 6:18:23 PM Hey Steve, 15164. Rivendell - 7/13/2001 6:20:08 PM 19RBI, 15165. Rivendell - 7/13/2001 6:23:34 PM 19RBI, 15166. Rivendell - 7/13/2001 6:24:32 PM A classic case of ISP transmitus interruptus. 15167. AZSteve - 7/13/2001 8:28:23 PM Riv...what can I say,you have me responding politely...Please go have a cold ones(drink responsibly)and come back later...Damn Cubs looked like the '99ers today,Wood sucked,no excuses,he has had two real lousy starts,the offense was pretty enemic,the White Sox were clearly the better team today that Beurhle is a 15168. azsteve - 7/14/2001 12:11:00 PM mornin' folks,another hot,muggy,monsoon day in Phoenix.I just washed my truck and I know it's going to rain...Cubs v.White Sox pt.#3 coming up.. 15169. azsteve - 7/14/2001 12:11:53 PM still nuttin' on McGriff....hhhhhmmmm 15170. PsychProf - 7/14/2001 1:03:01 PM 15171. Rivendell - 7/14/2001 2:16:21 PM Steve, 15172. Rivendell - 7/14/2001 2:18:16 PM And McGriff is nuts if he doesn't approve the trade. 15173. azsteve - 7/14/2001 4:51:50 PM Riv...well beer&buffet good,game bad...hey that's 2 outta 3...I would tend to agree somewhat on McGriff being a little goofy for not wanting to come to Chi for the remainder of the season and go for a shot at the WS with Cubs, but he has his 15174. PsychProf - 7/14/2001 7:52:54 PM Steve...looks as if you have much of the entire Sports Bar rooting for your Cubs... 15175. PsychProf - 7/14/2001 8:07:43 PM 15176. PsychProf - 7/14/2001 8:19:41 PM 15177. Greystoke - 7/15/2001 8:57:27 AM I took my family to PNC Park for the first time, to see the clash of the titans -- the Pirates versus the Royals. Surprisingly, the game was a sellout. 15178. azsteve - 7/15/2001 10:39:38 AM Grey,expensive beer and so-so food is the norm here in Phoenix at "the BOB"(Bank One Ballpark)... 15179. azsteve - 7/15/2001 10:53:53 AM uuuuuhhhh...I gotta give the dogs a bath and clean 15180. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 11:48:31 AM Amen. 15181. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 12:26:46 PM 15182. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 12:29:11 PM 15183. azsteve - 7/15/2001 12:56:26 PM Royals v Cubs today @11:00a.m.PDT,Lieber is pitchin' and I gotta believe the fellas will be 15184. Greystoke - 7/15/2001 2:42:15 PM By the way, I have heard this phenomenon mentioned before, and but I really noticed it at PNC Park yesterday. There were hardly any fans in the stadium who are "people of color" -- my guess is less than one in a hundred. On the other hand, there were many black men scalping tickets outside the park, and many black and hispanic employees selling stuff in the park. 15185. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 3:40:51 PM Boston is very white...Yankee Stadium less so. With MLB becoming more diverse, the fan base will change accordingly. Even with that, baseball will not be a city game. 15186. Absensia - 7/15/2001 3:46:51 PM Mika won the British Grand Prix F1 today. 15187. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 4:09:56 PM 15188. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 4:11:32 PM 15189. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 4:41:02 PM 15190. azsteve - 7/15/2001 5:02:10 PM Whew winning by the skin of their teeth the Cubs put the Royals 2-1...whew! 15191. azsteve - 7/15/2001 5:03:49 PM Syntax nervosia...Cubs put AWAY the Royals 2-1 15192. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 5:07:41 PM Cubs win...Sox win...crank up the Bocelli... 15193. azsteve - 7/15/2001 5:30:45 PM Time to say good-bye...n'est pas? 15194. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 8:17:38 PM One of my favorites. 15195. PsychProf - 7/15/2001 9:10:29 PM 15196. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 11:55:16 AM 15197. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 11:57:49 AM 15198. labwabbit - 7/16/2001 12:07:42 PM Slow day PP? 15199. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 12:10:11 PM Sounds like a nickname..."slow day" PP...yes, Lab, hot and lazy summer day. Packing up for move to new office. 15200. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 12:14:48 PM Startin to worry that Posada might drop his kid next time he picks him up... 15201. theDiva - 7/16/2001 12:16:46 PM Prof 15202. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 12:19:44 PM Deev...yes. I have to find a way to smoke him out. 15203. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 1:44:09 PM 15204. PsychProf - 7/16/2001 4:00:02 PM 15205. azsteve - 7/16/2001 6:54:47 PM Well McGriff after careful deliberation has said no to the Cubs.McGriff's family comes first and I 15206. theDiva - 7/17/2001 7:50:00 AM Steve 15207. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 10:25:26 AM I can't stand it. The Cards drop 2 of 3 to the Tigers (and had the audacity to lose when I was in the park). And now... we take at least 2 of 3 from the Twins. 15208. theDiva - 7/17/2001 10:30:39 AM you've been a baseball fan how long? And you still expect consistency? 15209. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 10:42:43 AM Steve, 15210. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 10:44:44 AM Diva, 15211. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 10:45:29 AM hahahaha...Riv can't stand it. He's not even a Red Sox fan, and he can't stand it...he needs a waxin for that one. Steve...we are thinkin bout going to Vegas soon...you like Bellagio?...how does it compare to Mandolay(sic?)... 15212. theDiva - 7/17/2001 10:45:42 AM Now hold on there! 15213. theDiva - 7/17/2001 10:46:27 AM that was to Riv, not Prof. 15214. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 10:47:17 AM PP, 15215. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 10:57:54 AM Actually a good waxin' might be just the ticket. 15216. theDiva - 7/17/2001 11:01:46 AM I just went back to read the story. 15217. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 11:15:16 AM Beginning? 15218. theDiva - 7/17/2001 11:20:16 AM Bad enough he won't let us have ML baseball here. 15219. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 11:24:13 AM Diva, 15220. theDiva - 7/17/2001 11:25:49 AM The NFL has no choice. Football doesn't have the same mystic pull as baseball. 15221. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 11:28:25 AM While I am on the subject of depression, I read an article here last week about LaRussa and his relationship with the Cards' owners. Seems the owners think the sun rises and sets on Tony. 15222. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 11:30:42 AM Diva, 15223. theDiva - 7/17/2001 11:42:10 AM Oh, football has pull, but it's of a more primal sort. Baseball is religion, art, science. Football is war games and fertility rites. 15224. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 11:59:14 AM Diva, 15225. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 1:07:20 PM 15226. ElliottRW - 7/17/2001 1:23:37 PM Sports Thread Poll: 15227. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 1:27:12 PM 10...I like long games...short games end too soon. 15228. theDiva - 7/17/2001 1:33:48 PM 10. Long games are a problem? 15229. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 1:38:05 PM I have talked personally with SANDY ALDERSON and they are "HIS" umpires. 15230. ElliottRW - 7/17/2001 1:39:31 PM Well, guys, the commish seems to think that long games are a problem. Certainly long games are not a problem for most baseball fans, or attendance would be down. I suppose that Mr. Selig has good rea$ons to want shorter games. 15231. theDiva - 7/17/2001 1:42:04 PM Elliot 15232. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 1:42:59 PM Elliott...check out the link for Alderson...long games are a problem for many. 15233. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 1:45:56 PM Baseball 15234. theDiva - 7/17/2001 1:47:30 PM Prof 15235. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 1:52:42 PM 15236. ElliottRW - 7/17/2001 1:54:43 PM Yes, good link PP. 15237. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:06:37 PM DanTheCritic...if yer lurkin, and you read this, beware...we had a lunch vote today, and no more free beer for you until you are subjected to a communally administered butt waxin. 15238. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:09:53 PM Playing on the Official Sports Bar Jukebox(20 tunes for dime)...Kris Kristofferson- "Watch Closely Now"...from a Star is Born... 15239. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 2:23:04 PM I have seen the morning burnin' golden on the mountains in the sky... 15240. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:23:56 PM The software used for the look-a-like Chandra Levy photos(seen below) is now available on the free internet PC at PP's Sports Bar. Use the program to produce handsome photos of any changes in personal appearance you might have in mind. 15241. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 2:25:18 PM Hair looks like the model for a toilet-bowl brush. 15242. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:29:25 PM labwab 15243. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:29:53 PM For all you fans of Country, here is "Lookin For Love"...how bout some two-stepping... 15244. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:30:17 PM Sportsbar geeks 15245. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:30:36 PM wookin pa nub.... 15246. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:30:44 PM That news never got to Laska. 15247. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:31:54 PM Deev...that'll kill the snorin. 15248. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:32:28 PM hahahahahaha 15249. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 2:44:43 PM I've got a half-hour to schmooze. Set the house up PP. A double Beamer straight up and an Alaskan Amber for Nanook. 15250. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 2:47:22 PM Diva... 15251. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 2:47:29 PM Diva, 15252. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:49:09 PM Lab...Here it is... 15253. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 2:49:49 PM Labwab, 15254. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:50:27 PM Riv 15255. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 2:50:36 PM Diva, 15256. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:51:15 PM Riv 15257. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:51:39 PM Say it ain't so Lab... 15258. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 2:54:04 PM Eliott and PP, 15259. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 2:55:37 PM I like long stuff as a rule. 15260. theDiva - 7/17/2001 2:55:56 PM labwab 15261. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 2:56:01 PM Thanks PP...It's my anthem. And it fits (ironically) to those I have come to share with here... 15262. Rivendell - 7/17/2001 2:57:20 PM Diva, 15263. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:00:22 PM For Sports Bar Dads... 15264. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 3:03:38 PM Sweetest Diva, 15265. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:05:05 PM Lab..Take extra socks and come back soon. 15266. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 3:05:54 PM Love that tune PP. 15267. labwabbit - 7/17/2001 3:07:01 PM development=research 15268. theDiva - 7/17/2001 3:14:20 PM labwab 15269. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:18:31 PM I have such an even-steven Mote life....Riv returns, Lab leaves...Snod returns, MsG leaves...I'm jest treadin water around here. 15270. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:23:06 PM Next up for the early dinner/late lunch crowd...Hank Thompson & Kitty Wells - "Honky Tonk Angel"... 15271. Frankster - 7/17/2001 3:26:03 PM Hi, everyone! 15272. azsteve - 7/17/2001 3:28:10 PM Prof Dan Fogelberg? ok...Deev you pay me much 15274. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:32:04 PM Hank... 15275. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:32:14 PM Kitty sez... 15276. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:33:46 PM Hey Frank...and maybe I'm winnin... even-steven gives way to AZSteve. 15277. azsteve - 7/17/2001 3:35:39 PM AAAWWWW Rats!!!! Cubs down 2-0 to the Royals...ugh 15278. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:36:10 PM 15279. Frankster - 7/17/2001 3:41:00 PM Thanks, PP 15280. azsteve - 7/17/2001 3:48:08 PM I had a hip pointer once,I got it doing the "Bump" 15281. theDiva - 7/17/2001 3:48:35 PM Xaviera Hollander. 15282. theDiva - 7/17/2001 3:50:17 PM Steve 15283. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 3:52:50 PM Deev...hahaha...our mutual friend is August 11... 15284. Frankster - 7/17/2001 3:57:23 PM I had a hip pointer once,I got it doing the "Bump" with this lady at a club-set back in the 70's... 15285. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:01:21 PM Dang it...KC 3 Cubs 1 15286. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:04:58 PM Yeah Frank the San Diego Pud-Rays,who went on to lose to the Tiggers...OOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCHHHH 15287. seadate - 7/17/2001 4:06:08 PM 'stros goin' after Cleveland again tonite, hehe. 15288. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 4:07:10 PM Hey Sea...what's happening... 15289. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:09:58 PM later Deev 15290. Frankster - 7/17/2001 4:12:34 PM Hey, Seadate! 15291. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:13:57 PM oh I knew there would be 'stros fans in this here 15292. seadate - 7/17/2001 4:14:24 PM 'bout to have to return to the "real" world, Prof. The sabattical (sp?) is drawing to an end. 15293. seadate - 7/17/2001 4:16:19 PM Howzit goin' Frank? 15294. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:17:07 PM Not to be beat a dead horse,my wish list is headed 15295. seadate - 7/17/2001 4:17:28 PM Dang! I was just reading back .... take good pictures, Labwab! 15296. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:20:59 PM Nah Sedate I'm a transplant to Phoenix 15 years ago...BUT a Cubs fan for 4 decades...that makes me 15297. seadate - 7/17/2001 4:25:07 PM that makes me bulletproof,loyal to a fault, and nuttier than the proverbial fruitcake 15298. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:30:40 PM The Cubs play the 'stros this weekend,we'll find out who owns the farm... 15299. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:35:36 PM i hope that the weak bat-itis is ending for the Cubs so we can get in an old-fashioned slugfest with dem'stros... 15300. ElliottRW - 7/17/2001 4:39:09 PM Get this--the little city I live next to (Huntsville, AL) is getting an NBDL team. That is, a National Basketball Development League Team. The HSV team is called the "Flight;" other teams include the Litigators, the Miasma, and the Pogrom. Yeeha. more info 15301. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 4:41:38 PM Elliott....do you have a hoop at your place/home? 15302. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:42:43 PM patiently awaiting....(Cubs 6 KC 4)...my tax rebate check hehe... 15303. ElliottRW - 7/17/2001 4:44:04 PM PP -- funny you should ask. We're looking for an adustable model for out kids. Any recommendations? 15304. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 4:44:41 PM Steve...Vegas again with the check?...Bellagio sounds good...Ms PP and I are big time spenders, so.... 15305. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 4:46:18 PM Elliot...yes...adjustable and weighted so in ground construction is not called for. That makes it fun for all and movable. 15306. azsteve - 7/17/2001 4:55:40 PM oh Lordy Cubs seem to be holdin' onto a lead...Sedate do reside in 'stros country? 15307. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:02:04 PM You can stay right next door to the Bellagio at the Mirage (the wonderkind of hotels maybe five years ago) for a hell of a lot less, and still meander over and pay outrageous prices for the various hyped to the gills restaurants in Bellagio. 15308. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:04:37 PM McGriff update...still ponderin' the flow of the river... 15309. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:05:22 PM JanJon...nice to see you post here. Thanks for the info. 15310. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:07:36 PM I like to gamble. 15311. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:08:47 PM JJ I agree on the LV is a great time w/o going mega-bucks,our trip was a birthday wish for my wife,saying "NO" was never a consideration. 15312. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:10:21 PM I hate to gamble, but everyone I will be taking likes to...I enjoy people watching, so I am engaged... 15313. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:10:39 PM I'll stop soon, but I just read an article somewhere that "family values" in LV aren't hacking it as much as they did a few years ago. Ergo, the NUDES (tasteful, of course....) are back. 15314. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:12:44 PM "Flash"Gordon on the mound for da Cubs... 15315. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:13:55 PM Members of my family are nude at least once daily, somewhere, so we will have no problem with that. 15316. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:14:35 PM Steve...his curve still have some snap? 15317. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:14:59 PM My mind boggles at the thought of people paying to buy Bernie Williams' or Derek Jeter's AUTHENTIC used pants. 15318. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:15:45 PM Some sorta virus or fungus. 15319. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:18:11 PM Aaaaalllllrrrrriiiiiiight,Cubs put down those pesky Royals 7-4...I can stop hyper-ventilating... 15320. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:18:29 PM I wonder if the Yankees know that "someone in the Yankee organization" is, seemingly, filching used pants for resale. 15321. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:19:10 PM azsteve is going to have a tough fall. Literally and chronologically. 15322. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:19:32 PM JanJon...I think in NYC they are called "pents"... 15323. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:20:52 PM pents in the Bronx perhaps, pernts in Brooklyn. 15324. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:21:11 PM Prof I'm TELLLIN' you he has ALL the stuff workin' 15325. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:22:56 PM JanJon...my IB son is doing modeling, which is very interesting...I am sure you know much about that, no? 15326. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:23:25 PM Steve...we have to get Susan over here. 15327. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:28:09 PM some. what they are doing these days is far different than what my shop was doing when I was active there. 15328. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:29:50 PM JJ scroll back a few posts and read...nah...lemme 15329. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:32:03 PM in some ways it is a tossup as to who has had the most woes - the White Sox or the Cubs. 15330. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:32:34 PM Prof you are right about Susan,you want to do the deed or should I give it a go? 15331. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:33:04 PM JanJon...thanks for asking. He likes it most of the time...very challenging and competitive. 15332. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:33:49 PM Steve...both. 15333. janjon - 7/17/2001 5:36:15 PM I suspect your son is still at the stage where he's getting a kick out of the perks - the business class, the limos, etc. 15334. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:39:16 PM He would agree with your post I am sure...but he is learning something new every day and there is a huge line waiting for his position if he wants out. At his college, they interviewed 65 and hired 3. 15335. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:40:34 PM JJ I was a mere tadpole when I saw the Chicago Cardinals play Lions at old Comiskey Park back in the dawn of time,also saw several Bears games at 15336. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:51:40 PM Prof I sent Susan an email 15337. PsychProf - 7/17/2001 5:52:11 PM good 15338. azsteve - 7/17/2001 5:54:59 PM hey cats and kittens I gotta do some chores... 15339. labwabbit - 7/18/2001 12:07:42 PM Message # 15269 15340. ElliottRW - 7/18/2001 12:14:25 PM A beer please, bartender. Something bitter and cold and thick. When I have a good buzz going, perhaps I tell you what's on my mind. 15341. PsychProf - 7/18/2001 4:17:38 PM Coming up Elliott...I just returned from an AA minor league baseball game... 15342. ElliottRW - 7/18/2001 4:20:08 PM Thanks--did the home team win? 15343. PsychProf - 7/18/2001 4:31:41 PM No...but the day was beautiful, the company good, and balls were hit and caught. 15344. azsteve - 7/18/2001 4:42:22 PM Nice sentiment from LW to Deev,very nice...hey
your Mariners, they are mighty this year.
(hope Irv didn't see me)
You know...
for a steenkin' Yuck-ee fan, you'd make a great Sux fan. heh.
But geeeeeeeeeezzzzz.....
Just wait'll next year.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
(gasps)
hahahahahahahahahhaa
(doubles over)
bwahahahahaha
(draws breath. Shudders. Wipes eyes.)
ahem. Sorry.
GORAN THE GREAT
click on photo 
That really wasn't meant to be funny...
(g)
Hope they enjoy their trip. I saw where the Mutts are to play the Sux this weekend. Is it possible for both teams to lose the same game?
Labwab
oops.
May you achieve a satisfying level of dirty dishes and empty beer cans in the living room.
Diva
That's ok. We Sox fans are a tougher lot.
Besides..Seattle is going to cause the Yanks to once again become the best team money can buy. Look to see the likes of Ichiro in pinstripes within the next two years.
Hey they bought Boggs, Clemons, Mussina, Ruth...
SHOULD BE FUN
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Ya...thanks prof.
NICE GUYS FINISH FIRST
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SHOCKED I TELL YA
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Pfizer.
TONIGHT
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Ways To Torment Mike Piazza!!!
Here, let me go first.
I want to Torment Mike Piazza, so I am going to shave his head, strip him naked, and ignore him. 
I'd mortgage my house for one, JUST ONE, good crack at him. 
take THAT.
BAD NEWS FOR SOX FANS
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leaguers ok...which ml'ers? I hope not Choi...
WELLS TO HAVE STOMACH SURGICALLY REMOVED TO TREAT BACK PROBLEMS
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Thanks for the link. And thanks to CalGal, who linked it first. Nobody seriously thought baseball spontaneously happened, and I'm sure evidence of even earlier origins will appear.
Grrrrr.
CAL'S NIGHT
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JUST COACHIN THIRD
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Was a hell of a show, wasn't it, Prof?
I loved Posada standing with his son during intros.
And I thought A-Rod deferring short to Cal in the first was very sweet.
Whatta game, whatta GAME. God, I love baseball. 
Whose little guy is that in the Pirates jersey?
And I'll tellya, you learn something new every day.
Report: Jagr
traded to Capitals
The Washington Capitals
website is reporting that Jaromir
Jagr has been traded from the
Pittsburgh Penguins to the
Washington Capitals.
Three baseball fans were on their way to a game when one of them noticed a foot sticking out of the bushes by the side of the road. They stopped and discovered a nude female, dead drunk.
Out of respect, the Cubs fan took off his cap and placed it over her right breast. The Red Sox fan took off his cap and placed it over her left breast. Following their lead, the Yankee fan took off his cap and placed it over her crotch.
The police were called and when the officer arrived, he conducted his inspection. First, he lifted the Cubs cap, replaced it and wrote down some notes. Next, he lifted the Red Sox cap, replaced it and wrote down some more notes. The officer then lifted the Yankee cap, replaced it, then lifted it again, replaced it, lifted it a third time and replaced it one last time.
The Yankee fan was getting upset and finally asked, "What are you a pervert of something? Why do you keep lifting and looking, lifting and looking?"
"Well," said the officer, "I am simply surprised. Normally when I look under a Yankees cap, I find an asshole."
Beautiful family...simply beautiful.
"Mama, don't let yer ba-bies grow up t' be Yankees...
(just kidding y' know!)
(but not about the family part by any means.)
thanks. Wait'll you see the one of her in her Yankee outfit.
:)
To quote the steward, Matthew, from A Man For All Seasons (one of my favorite plays) -
[Sir Thomas More has just let Matthew go because he can no longer afford him. More insists he will miss Matthew. Matthew is dubious.]
"Now, damn me, isn't that them all over! Miss?... He... Miss?... Miss me?... What's in me for him to miss?...
Guess that's why all these Bosox and Yankme fans thought it was a wonderful game.
That should be reasonably adequate.
I just hope the buffet is not better than the home teams' play on the field. Here lately the buffet would not have too high a standard to meet.
Sure. SURE. Show up just as I have to go home.
Da noive.
Just for that, you can BITE ME.
Then you will miss the e-mail I just went offline to compose.
IAC, just make sure you have your weekend teeth in.
Is that as bad as thread administrator angst?
"here" as in the Sports thread, or "here" as in the Mote? If you are really suffering from melancholia then hie thee to those wonderful seats you have available...
...wear your King George mask...
post/joke?. Red Sox, Cubs, Rebels, or whatever..
Some kind of sports teams I gather?
SAMMYTIME
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August and September may be gruesome.
I couldn't WAIT for Riv and Steve to meet up!
Oh yes!
15088
Screw it, honey, let's just keep on doing what we're doing and ignore all the brouhahas.
;-)
PP,
I'll make a deal with you. You try to hang in there for a bit and I will too.
No offense to you baseball fans, but I'm ready for football, especially the college variety.
GRANSALAMI
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Pretty sad news about young Furcal, though. What's the word on him?
WINNER
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Whens the last time the first, second and third place positions were on the same team?
Postal was pretty impressive given the accident.
BONDS FAILS TO SINK MARINERS
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LOVE MATCH TO PRODUCE NEW PLAYER
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(high fives Prof)
#15116: Pfui.
GO BLUE!
(actually, I know squat about college football, but what the hell.)
FOR STOPAS THE PINCHEE 
HEY RIV!!!...nobody home...I'll try later...
Riv is a rare commodity these days, unfortunately. But get him started on the Cardinals, or revenue sharing (pinko)in baseball and he'll go on for hours.
DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YA JUAN
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The Cubs, GAVE you Lou Brock,were Stan Musial's whipping boy,were called cute little Cubbies by Hrabosky,provided Mac with his record breaking Jack...first shall be last and last shall be first...I love Cardinal fans,they are so much fun
to mess with...I've attended numerous Cubs v.Cardinals games 3 in St.Louis and 4 or 5 in Wrigley,absolutely great times gettin' into it with Redbird fans,they are passionate fans,hell we even helped two Cardinal fans change a tire near Wrigley Field,after they had beat the Cubs that very afternoon.Anyway I look forward to some
action outta Riv...
#15125: THAT'S more like it!
everything that should be and a couple that shouldn't...
Steve
oh, you will see action out of Riv should he show up. The man do know his baseball.
I'm really looking forward to this afternoons contest between the Cubs and White Sox...Dang Bonds got four zero last night,I'm startin to believe dude might tie or surpass Big Mac,seriously.
And don't forget, Riv is one big Braves fan, too. I was actually at Turner field for one of the Red Sox/Braves games in June. The game I was at was at had the second largest crowd in Turner field history. I though of Riv when I realized how sad it was that their playoff games don't seem to be setting records...
I KISS YOU!
This hurts to admit, but I'm a big Posada fan now as well....
Ya big softy.
Kiss my grits.
SWEET LOUUUUUUUU
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Yes. The Cubs did indeed give Sweet Lou to us. And they served up Big Mac's #62. What can I say. Everybody needs that well meaning relative in the family.
Y'all just had a bad century.
Wish I could stay longer, but gotta get out of the house and head down to the stadium. Maybe the Cards will toss another game away to the Tigers.
Jeez.
At least the beer is cold.
I may be saying, "Go, Cubs!" in a couple of months.
You thought of me at a Braves game? I don't know what to say. I am all choked up.
PP,
Smoked is the only way to go.
You thought of me at a Braves game? I don't know what to say. I am all choked up.
PP,
Smoked is the only way to go.
damn tough pitcher...aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhh I hate to see the Cubs lose to the White Sox.
cold ones in the 'fridge no big "honey-do"list starin' at me...I'll be chillin' like a villain...
PEACE
CONEHEADED FOR GOOD SEASON
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Now I know what the AZ means.
Unfortunately the buffet and the beer were better than the home team's play. We stink.
This article by St. Louis columnist Jeff Gordon sums up the current Cards' state pretty well.
For cryin' out loud - the Tigers were 13-26 on the road prior to their arrival at the friendly confines of Busch Stadium.
We have to play better than .600 ball after the AS break just to win more than 90 games, never mind catching the Cubs. Nothing like putting your best foot forward.
Morris is on the bump today. Maybe we can salvage one game from this fiasco. But with the 2-6 batters stuck in a slump, who knows.
I know it is the Cubs, but damn...
...he'd rather stay with the Deadville Rays??
family issues to consider.yeah I've been in the
Valley of the Sun for 15 years...I miss Chicago
from Spring to Fall,you can keep the "Hawk" in the
wintertime,I don't miss the cold and snow EVER.
oh yeah Cubs lose again to the Sox rats,!@#$%^&&*!
DARTMOUTH GRAD AIDS IN RUSCH TO JUDGMENT
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GARCIA WAS THERE
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We had great seats in the section beside the photographers pit at the end of the Royals dugout. I was three rows back from the railing -- no more than 40 feet from the first base bag.
The park is very nice, with a great view of the city, the bridges, and the river. On the downside, its $5 a beer and the vendor food we had wasn't that great. We probably should have gone to one of the restaurants in the stadium.
I went to many games at Three Rivers Stadium and always liked it, also. So, even though PNC Park is a beautiful stadium with natural grass, good views from the cheap seats, and is well laid out as far as the food and restrooms go, I'm not sure its all that much better than Three Rivers. BTW, Three Rivers was only 30 years old when they tore it down.
(Beers were $5 at Three Rivers also, and the food wasn't that great either, so those two factors didn't influence my opinion.)
Prof I'm sure that folks here at PPSB know that I
am not crusading to bring more lost souls to cause
of L.C.C.F.ltd.(Loyal Crazy Cubs Fans).I would hope,nay,I PRAY that these good prople would look upon the men of the Blue Machine as warrriors trying to right a wrong,fight the good fight,to bring joy and honor to this floundering franchise,
this lost legion Leaguers(national)and if they give us their very heart and soul to a cause that will pay a great spiritual reward and give them
a grand entrance before The Almighty at the end of
their days,then I say YES become A C U B S F A N !
Can I get an AMEN!?!?!!!!
the pool...back later...
JUAN TOO MUCH?
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TOP DEKKER
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hittin' the hide off'n that dang ball...It's going to be a balmy 105degrees here today....later
The reason I mention this is because the game was promoted as honoring the players from the Negro Leagues of long ago. There was a ceremony, each fan received a reproduction of a painting of Josh Gibson (a Hall of Famer who played for the Homestead Grays), and the Pirates and Royals wore reproductions of Negro League uniforms -- the Pirates were the Grays and the Royals were the Monarchs.
Has anyone else noticed that the crowds who attend baseball games are lilly white? Why is that? Economic reasons? Cultural reasons?
Interview
[15-Jul-2001-19h20 CET] -
Interviewer: Congratulations
gentlemen, a fantastic British
Grand Prix, Mika Hakkinen first,
Michael Schumacher second and
Rubens Barrichello third.
http://www.galeforce.com
HOPE SPRINGS
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MIKA'S TURN
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BEING BARRY
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OWNERS VOTE FOR STRIKE
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SELE(D) AND DELIEVERED
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FIRST HE SEZ HE WILL, AND THEN HE SEZ...
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you get some incomprehensible rambling e-mail from some clown named Dan?
...THEN HE WON'T
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JUAN BIG JERK TO THE END
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applaud him for giving the matter his careful con-
sideration.I did post previously that I thought he
was "goofy"not to take the deal with the caveat if
family issues were a primary concern then so be it.Two more shopping weeks until 7/31/01 deadline.
Start making those calls Andy McPhail...
Hey Prof first time I heard the Bocelli's "Con Te
Partiro" was in Las Vegas last fall.My and I were in the city that never sleeps for her birthday,we walking the strip with some friends when we came to the Bellagio Hotel,a animated fountain show begins accompanied by a Bocelli/Brightman version
of this song.My wife and I fell in love with the water show and music as did our friends and a huge crowd of people.We all went into the hotel found out the where to buy the cd and we've listened to it religiously since.I've got it on now...
You are a terrific addition to this band of baseball-happy geeks.
Consistency anyone?
Honey, please.
McGriff is still goofy. Granted, it is his life and if he wants to stay close to his family, cool. Certainly that's his business.
But hey Crime Dog! You can stay close to your family another way - it's called retirement. I mean, at this stage in his career it is not like first place teams are lining up for his services.
He could have contributed to the Cubs the same way Will Clark did for us last year.
I expect as much consistency as I get from you.
...but...
...nevermind.
Riv needs a good waxin fer shure.
Well they do have red in common.
And 1967...
heh, heh, heh
PP,
WRT the pitch count story in your #15195.
I've been hearing about this on the news here for the last two days. I hope to God it is just getting blown out of proportion. If not, thank goodness the umpires had the sense to blow the whistle on the commish. If there is any truth to the story then it is outrageous.
God, how moronic.
I say we overthrow Selig, I am really beginning to dislike this man.
For me it's never been anything but.
That is just the tip of the iceberg. I get depressed when I think of all the lost chances in the last 5 years alone.
You think the NFL would have squandered the goodwill MLB generated for itself in 1998? Granted, the NFL would have done a Disney by packaging it and squeezing every last dollar possible out of it - but they wouldn't have squandered it.
Face it, we're junkies just jonin' for any fix we can get. And they know it.
That's all well and good. I'd rather the owners and the manager have a good relationship as not. But I am afraid what this means is these owners are reluctanct to ever light a fire under Tony's butt.
If he takes this year's payroll and can't do any better than 5 games over .500 with it, then the owners need to bring on some pressure.
But I can't see it happening.
Sorry, but I don't buy the NFL pull being inferior to MLB. Yes, the allure is very different, but the NFL has no problems in that regard.
No argument from me. Other than Brian's Song I'd be hard pressed to name another football movie that aspired to anything remotely resembling poetry.
But the thing is, war games and fertility rites sell. Just ask any marketer who sells Arnold Swartzenegger movies to the pre and adolescent male demographic.
I am just quibbling with your statement that the NFL has no choice. I'd say they have nothing but choice. If you consider the attention paid to the huge number of college teams (not to mention NFL Europe) the NFL's financial future is virtually completely within it's own control.
How many people do you know, besides our illustrious host, who pay much attention to college baseball, much less the minors?
SMOKE, MIRRORS AND PRESTIDIGITATION
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Let's assume the problem is long games. Then, which of the following solutions is most acceptable (pick your top 3):
Riv
"Just ask any marketer who sells Arnold Swartzenegger movies to the pre and adolescent male demographic."
You are getting old. Did you forget what I used to do for a living? Geezer.
Anyway. I getcha.
I was not trying to coerce you into agreeing that short games are desirable, only trying to find some sort of middle ground.
Looks like that ain't gonna happen.
okay, I'll be serious.
A home run derby tiebreaker would be cool.
(3) PERIODS
The whole team goes up to bat each period.
Ump-ing gets done by laser and camera.
After one team bats in the second period...the field is cleared for a "half-time" show.
The team with the most runs win. In the event of a tie either the team with the highest on base average for the game, or sudden death using a pitching maching or have the opposing managers pitch for a home run derby sudden-death.
Free beer.
that cracks me up...especially the 'more pitchers stink' part.
"HE RUNS THE SHOW"
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Well, PP and patrons, as of 5 minutes ago it's official.
My motin' days are coming to an end fer at least 4-5 months. I'll be pulling duty elsewhere in this great state. Depending on my political ability, or luck, I may end up being a permanent embellishment on the tundra horizon. Almost two years in the making...but it finally happened.
Basically I'm writing this in a state of denial.
F*****'-A!
Ahem...
Now back to the regularly scheduled program... 
hanh? What? LEAVING? Shoot.
Prof
Yeah, the geek is silent today following a 6-3 13 inning game....
just in case you were wonderin' what to get me for my birthday....
Hope my selection of "Free Bird" plays on that ol' juke soon.
If ya try them on you may be the only female that discovers why theys really always scratchin'.
Yea, I remember what you usta do for a living. that's why I used the analogy.
Now who's a geezer?
FREE BIRD
Lynyrd Skynyrd
1973
If I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see
And if I stay here with you girl
things just wouldn't be the same
For I'm as free as a bird now
and this bird you cannot change
and the bird you cannot change
and the bird you cannot change
Lord knows I can't change
Bye bye it's been sweet love
though this feeling I can't change
Please don't take it so badly
Lord knows I must play
And if I stay here with you girl
things just couldn't be the same
For I'm as free as a bird now
and this bird you cannot change
and the bird you cannot change
and the bird you cannot change
Lord knows I can't change
Congratulations. It sounds like this is an opportunity you welcome.
You will be missed here.
I had to ask. I never know with people your age.
Labwab
DON'T GO!!!!!!!!
A pair of Bernie's pants?
You may never leave the house.
I'm sweating here.
If Alderson wants to shorten games by changing the fundamental way the game is played, then he and his acolytes are nuts.
WTF is wrong with raising the pitching mound back to pre-Gibson height.
But that would be too logical.
Hell, dumping some teams would make more sense than anything proposed in PP's links or Eliott's list.
please don't be so cryptic. What's the deal? Will you really be gone that long?
Hoooo-wahhh.
Riv
Thank you so very much.
I truly welcome this opportunity....seems I spent my whole life getting here.
You must still be suffering from postpartum estrogen shortage. Your feeble command of logic is shakier than usual.
An only child alone and wild, a cabinet maker's son
His hands were meant for different work and his heart was known to none
He left his home and went his lone and solitary way
And he gave to me a gift I know I never can repay
A quiet man of music, denied a simpler fate
He tried to be a soldier once but his music wouldn't wait
He earned his love through discipline, a thund'ring velvet hand
His gentle means of sculpting souls took me years to understand
The leader of the band is tired and his eyes are growing old
But his blood runs through my instrument and his song is in my soul
My life has been a poor attempt to imitate the man
I'm just a living legacy to the leader of the band
My brothers' lives were different for they heard another call
One went to Chicago, the other to St. Paul
And I'm in Colorado when I'm not in some hotel
Living out this life I chose and come to know so well
I thank you for the music and your stories of the road
thank you for the freedom when it came my time to go
I thank you for the kindness and the times when you got tough
And papa I don't think I said "I love you" near enough
The leader of the band is tired and his eyes are growing old
But his blood runs through my instrument and his song is in my soul
My life has been a poor attempt to imitate the man
I'm just a living legacy to the leader of the band
Yep...I'm heading up one small contingent of several who'll be setting-up/organizing/analyzing/synchronizing data systems for various resource-based development teams. I have several days to complete preparations.
I can't explain the feeling, but it is like waking up from a dream and getting right into one.
it sounds like an exciting and wonderful opportunity. Congratulations...we will miss you.
Riv
you know the rest.
...I'm thinking of that ol' KC and the Sunshine song,Please Don't Goregarding Lab.
Okay all youse sports experts, what exactly is a hip pointer ? Is it a pinched nerve in that region or some type of ligament/tendon injury of some type ? I'm leaning toward pinched nerve.
...I wonder if that's what I've got ... I got lazy and didn't go to my doctor like I had planned yesterday.
... The era of Frankster would be so pain free.
respect and I'm thankin' you muchly much...Labwab
I didn't the have the great pleasure the others in this here bar have had,but your leavin has touched all assembled here most profoundly,May the
Lord keep you in the palm of His Hand boy-o...Prof the Belaggio is fab and just a wee bit pricey,Le Cirque is tremendous restaurant (again
tres pricey)...It was my wife's birthday so it was "What the Hell,Let's Go For It" type adventure
and absolutely no regrets...the fountain show on one night was Frank Sinatra singing "Luck Be A Lady Tonight" again it was spectacular...do not miss the water show......
THE WILD SIDE OF LIFE
originally sung by Hank Thompson
You wouldn't read my letters if I wrote you
You asked me not to call you on the phone
But there's something I'm wanting to tell you
So I wrote it in the words of this song
CHORUS:
I didn't know God made Honky-tonk Angels
I might have known you'd never make a wife
You gave up the only one who ever loved you
And went back to the wild side of life
The glamour of the gay night life has lured you
To the places where the wine and liquor flow]
Where you wait to be anybodys baby
And forget the truest love you'll ever know
It hurt me to know that you don't love me
Though I know that our love's forever gone
And it killed my soul and pride,dear, inside me
When I saw you in that strangers arms so long
Repeat chorus:
I'll just live my life alone with mem'ries of you
And dream of kisses you traded for my tears
And no one will ever know how much I loved you
And I pray that you'll be happy through the years
Repeat Chorus:
T WASN'T GOD WHO MADE HONKY TONK ANGELS
this song was written and performed by Kitty Wells in answer to
"The Wild Side of Life"
As I sit here tonight, the jukebox playing
A song about the wild side of life
As I listen to the words that you are saying
It brings memories when I was a trusted wife
CHORUS:
It wasn't God who made Honky-tonk Angels
As you said in the words of your song
Too many times married men think they're still single
And have caused many a good girl to go wrong.
It's a shame that all the blame is on us women
It's not true that only you men feel the pain
From the start most every heart that's ever broken
Is because there always was a man to blame
Repeat chorus:
... I've got nothing on the CD turntable at the moment, by the way.
Deev,
I had to laugh at what you requested as a gift for your birthday, only to find that there were some 15 others out there like ya. $152.00 for some used baseball pants ?
...I once read an article on the original Happy Hooker ( I forget her name at this moment ), and she mentioned that many men have written to her for the sole purpose of owning her soiled underwear ... Is that "worship" kinda what's going on here with you and Bernie's pants ? ;-)
When's your birthday ? ( Don't make me look it up )
with this lady at a club-set back in the 70's...
you're more than welcome
Frankie
Worship? Heh heh. Something like that. And it's August 10.
Gotta fly, geeks.
Labwab, my love....best of luck to you. Godspeed.
What, not the Hustle with Van McCoy ? Remind me to never ask you for a dance, Steve. You're dangerous, man.
And I really hope these Cubs don't end up breaking your heart as the 1984 ones probably did...That had to be (snicker) heartbreaking.
...Let's see. What team was it they lost to ? Some southern Californian team if memory serves me correctly ( Hee-hee-hee ).
See ya, Deev.
4-1 KC
Az,
Well, bud, I wish the deserving baseball fans of Chicago such as yourself better luck this time around. This club, and the city for that matter, are wa-a-a-a-a-y overdue, so I hope it is indeed their year...By the way, that Fred guy would sure look good in a Cub uniform, ya know. What's his problem ?
Gotta go. Lunchtime. TTFN
pub...Hey Sedate...
Good to meet you Azsteve. You're in Chicago?
by Jas Giambi,McGriff was never on my radar,hey he says that nuttin' is settled...we'll see,we'll see...
bulletproof,loyal to a fault, and nuttier than the proverbial fruitcake...A great pleasure to make your acquaintance...
hehe .. essential qualities of a Cubs fan.
They may bear NYC restaurant names and they certainly bear NYC prices (and more), and it is sort of fun to watch those biiiiiig spenders fork over megabucks for ultrafine wines, but...the food isn't as good as here.
Best bet on food is to go to the buffet at the Paris. Virtually right across the street.
Then, of course, you also can go to the Venetian (also right across the street) and take an indoor gondola ride (!!!!). Among other salient differences between the LV and real versions - the one in LV ends up at a Rockport shoe store. (Well, making a certain assumption. That was more than a year ago - perhaps it has gone into bankruptcy.)
At any rate - LV can be a gas. I just happen to think it is more fun to do it shrewdly - meaning finding a good but not top dollar hotel, eating well but not at the top places, and, if that is your thing, taking in as many of the free spectacles as possible.
The shows, I am told, can be terrific. Pricy though and hard to get tickets to - even for people I've never heard of, like some guy who is a perennial at the Rio, of all places.
Tackiest place of the big ones? New York New York.
Classiest - the Desert Inn. Before it was bought and demolished. Real estate was just too expensive for that nice little place.
Whatever you do, don't waste your money ($10 or so) to go see Steve Wynn's collection of art at the Bellagio. Sure, they are all "blockbusters", but it is such an overblown and schlocky place.
Seemingly. One of the better places to see same is at some place called the Shadows (if I recall correctly) at Caesar's Palace. All sorts of stacked ladies cavorting behind screens. (Turns out they have body stockings on, but who's to know. Same as who's to know how much their respective breasts are theirs.)
Gotta love Vegas.
Wonder what their jock straps would bring.
yay!!!
snappin' off like t
h
i
s
I hope he's still enthused and thriving on all those hours.
say it again,Cubs fans have seen EVERYTHING that
can and do go wrong,we lived through more bullshit times than any other fans in baseball,so bring on the worst,we'll be ready...just kidding
about hyper-ventilating...
yeah right...
Good thing Chicago has those football Cardinals, eh?
oh, wait a minute....
Well, the Bulls made up for a lot. But, note the past tense.
That probably will last for a few years more. By then, he hopefully will also be more of a boss (well of many but not all) than he is now. That will compensate (literally and figuratively) for what he will then find to be very much a grind.
Wrigley Field...Bulls aaahhh,we had the BEST roundball player ever,sad ,sad...
Prof hose down the infield for me while I'm gone
and set me up a double Bushmills Black and a Harp.
PP "...just treadin water..."
Not in my book.
Message # 15295
seadate
...count on it. (That is they are able to find my camera when I don't return to camp.)
Message # 15272
azsteve
Thank you "muchly" for the send off. (I'll never admit that I'm without need of a little prayer.)
Frankster
KC and the Sunshine Band??? Hahahaha.
Never accept any "from the" hip pointers..got it?
and Diva...well I see it this way;
If I ever finsh out life without having met you and yours', it will always feel like an unfinished journey.
Thanks...and thank you.
T -3 days and countin'.
'stros